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us marine kills wounded, unarmed man in a mosque in al-falluja

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acbaylove:

--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 16, 2004, 05:48:17 PM ---^ That was the biggest pile of bullshit
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I knew you disagree with it. Different roots, different religion, different vision of the world. But let's stop dissing each others like kids, it's getting boring. That's MY point of view.

*Jamal*:
Javier agreed with me, and he's not of the same religion as me; he's more likely to be of of the same one as you.... so don't bring that bullshit. In your view, all people are evil, want to release their anger, but won't since something inside tells them not to; soldiers on the other hand, are "allowed" to release that anger by raping people, torturing them, etc. First of all, do you really think that all soldiers do that shit? If not, then wouldn't that mean that only the ones that do are "evil"? Why generalize?

Real American:
This soldier wasn't "releasing anger". The solider made a mistake because he thought his life was in danger. This guy that was killed was not an innocent civilian praying in the mosque, he was a fighter who was attacking US soliders.  Do you think it is easy for our guys to go from street to street and door to door with people shooting at you from every angle? This is a war and these young men have to be alert at all times for a possible attack on them. All it takes is one second and you are dead. As the news reports have said, the solider who shot this guy had already been shot once, and his unit had already had a a man killed after a booby trap went off on the dead body of some Iraqi insurgent. So they have to be prepared when approaching any so called injured or dead fighters. It was a mistake on his part, but in the heat of the battle should he take the chance that this guy might pull out a grenade or gun and kill him? If you watch the video you can see that he thinks he was in danger. It wasn't right but I am not going to condemn him because I might have done the same thing in his shoes.

It is also interesting that this thread has like 20 responses while the thread about the terrorists killing that female civialian charity worker only has two. But this is not suprising conidering the type of people that post here.

*Jamal*:
CWalker, the guy could've said on camera "Hey, I'm killing these Muslims for fun", and your comment would still include "I would've done the same thing in his shoes", so cut the crap, you bigot.

acbaylove:

--- Quote from: *Jamal* on November 17, 2004, 05:16:48 AM ---Javier agreed with me, and he's not of the same religion as me; he's more likely to be of of the same one as you.... so don't bring that bullshit. In your view, all people are evil, want to release their anger, but won't since something inside tells them not to; soldiers on the other hand, are "allowed" to release that anger by raping people, torturing them, etc. First of all, do you really think that all soldiers do that shit? If not, then wouldn't that mean that only the ones that do are "evil"? Why generalize?

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No, hold on. I didnt say that all people are evil, but that evil is inside of us, since we are humans. If you wanna see it from a religious prospective, the only "thing" who can save us is God. If you wanna see it from a scientific prospective, there are tons of books who talks about it. Everybody, even the Pope, got something inside of him, which is negative. It's like that in every man. We gotta face it and fight it. Now, from thousands of books of criminology etc.. we know that the things who doesnt make you kills other people, usually, are various:

- the place where you live: if you live in a place where the guns are not toys, you dont think about killing people.
- the religion: if you grew up with religious roots and beliefs, you know that if you kill someone you go to Hell. It's a sin.
- the law: you know that if you kill someone, you go to jail.
- others.

When all those things collapses, you really start to think that "it's right" to kill. It's something complicated to understand, i know. You should read full books with 500-600 pages of explanations and examples. Anyway i didnt say "all the soldiers" are moved by hate. I didnt generalized. I'm saying that it's easy to loose the control of your mind in a war. Cause all those things (the place, the religion, the law, etc..) doesnt stop you no more. I'm saying to me it's not surprising that "normal" people, during a war, does atrocious things. I'm seeing it from a different prospective than you. For sure there are soldiers who believe they are doing the right thing. For sure there are "good" soldiers. But i was trying to let you know WHY those atrocious things happens in a war. Even from "normal" people.

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