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storytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one songhes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.
Quote from: smartass on November 23, 2004, 01:05:50 PMstorytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one songhes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli."Brenda's Got A Baby" was a story. One of the best one's I heard in rap.
Quote from: Shallow on November 23, 2004, 01:42:45 PMQuote from: smartass on November 23, 2004, 01:05:50 PMstorytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one songhes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli."Brenda's Got A Baby" was a story. One of the best one's I heard in rap.good point. i forgot about alot of them, like trapped(should this even be counted, since he didnt write it?), shorty wanna be a thug, wonda why they call you bitch, open fire, etci havent listened to a 2pac album in years.
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jay-z isnt overrated at all.lyricist? greatwordplay? one of the best to ever do it. name me one song where jay doesnt have at least 2 or 3 hot linesflow? one of the best ever. only people who come to mind above him are treach and biggie, possibly percee p and masta ace. he innovated with the black album. plenty of people trying to use his flows...lil wayne being the most obviousmic presence? gooddelivery? gooddiscography? very good, and consistent. reasonable doubt? one of the most lyrical albums ever. everytime you listen to that album you can find find a new double/triple meaning in it. the multis on that album were crazy. blueprint is a classic. every other one of his albums is a 3.5 or above, except vol 2, which was trash.storytelling? goodhe can appeal to the underground, while selling tons of recordshe can freestyle out the asswhether people want to admit it or not, jay>big2pac is overrated in the sense that people think he is god. alot of people think he is goat, i say maybe top 20.lyricist? average.flow? it was ok. he rarely ever switched it up, and when he did, it wasnt good.wordplay? never really used it. when he did? average.mic presence? one of the best ever. hes up there with cube and krs. when he got on the mic, you knew exactly who it was. people say cube sounded angry? 2pac sounded like he was about to shoot shit up in the studiodelivery? above average.discography? this is where 2pac shined. one undeniable classic, me against the world, 2 so called classics in makaveli and all eyez on me. has one dope group album with thuglife. strictly 4 my niggaz was a 3.5-4 mic album. 2pacalypse now wasnt that good of a debut, but certainly not the worst. i think hes the only rapper where every album he released, it got better. i believe this category is why some people consider him goat.ok freestyler, nothing to brag aboutstorytelling? only actual storytelling track i remember he ever doing was tear drops and closed caskets. cant really rate off one songhes the most improved lyrical rapper from the begining of his career to the end. nursery rhymes to very good in makaveli.snoop dogg is the most overrated rapper of all time imokurupt killed him every time he got on the mic(much like he did 2pac 2 or 3 times)
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I don't consider 'Pac overrated. The thing with 'Pac was that not one thing ever stood out with him, but his message. But in ever catagory, his top 5 in each.Flow/Delivery - Snoop, Biggie, they may have had a better flow, but 'Pac's flow was more strong, he spit his heart in each word he said. I can't think of a song 'Pac did that I didn't think, man 'Pac ripped that shit. His whole Makaveli CD might have been his best flow, but Strickly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. had his flow on point as well.Storytelling - Brenda's Gotta Baby, Part Time Mutha, Wonder Why They Call You Bitch, Me and My Girlfriend, the man was one of the best storytellers ever. Slick Rick and Ice Cube maybe better, but 'Pac could tell a story with the best of them.Message - Ok, his message was the deepest of any rapper, no arguments there.Word Play - Listen to Bomb First (My Second Reply), in fact, half of Makaveli, and half of All Eyez On Me. His Death Row stuff was full of great word play. He released his best word play alive, so now we are in his unrelease music, it's not as good as the stuff he made to be put out. Will never be mistaken for Rakim, or Nas, but he can hold his own.Discography - IMO, the best ever. Me Against the World is classic, so is Makaveli. All Eyez On Me is considered a classic by most, Stricky For My N.I.G.G.A.Z. is a very good album, 2Pacolypes is very nice, Thug Life, all of his CDs well he was alive are great, and R U Still Down and 2Pac + The Outlawz were both great CDs that had very little remixing.Everything put together is a nice package. I think his the best that ever did it, because he wasn't weak in any one area, even though he was not the best. Like in football, just because you have Mike Vick, don't not mean you'll win the Super Bowl, the whole team has to be good. The greatest rapper of all time, hands down. Others come close, but his discography, his message, and his storytelling pull him above everyone else.Jay-Z, Nas is the best rapper alive, not Jay-Z, do he overrates himself. I don't think his in the top 5 overrated though, because he an be argued best rapper alive.top 5 overrated to me.5. LL Cool J, great career, but is not the GOAT. Sorry.4. Snoop Dogg - listen to Doggystlye, listen to the lyrics, they are not as good as people think. Yes Snoop is the king of the west, but he ain't dropped a classic verse since Chronic. Influnce, yes, real skills, no.3. Eminem - I hate to say it, but his old shit was raw, but ever since the Sim Shady EP, his used gimmicks, not his skill to attract attention. And he has skill for days, but rearly allows it to show.2. Slug - OK, I know heads love this man, but I can't stand him or Atmosphere. They rap about nothing, and their skills are wasted on so very strange rap.1. Canibus - can't drop an album to match his never meet potential
Jay-Z, Nas is the best rapper alive, not Jay-Z, do he overrates himself. I don't think his in the top 5 overrated though, because he an be argued best rapper alive.
jay-z is the most overrated rapper alive. hes decent and thats it. lyricist? Decentwordplay? one of the best to ever do it? lol not even closeflow? one of the best ever. only people who come to mind above him are treach and biggie...HAHA not even one of the best ever, his flow is what makes him average and a lot of times below. all his old albums are boring with the exceptiopn or RD n BP, and his flow is boring. he sounds the same EVERY song, he cant flow fast, slow, he barely changes it up. and his flow on a lot of songs cant even ride the beat right. 2pac biggie and treach masta ace all ride the beat better than him and have voices and flow i can tolerate.mic presence? lil above average, went to the Hard knock life tour or whatever couple years back w/ dmx. not baddelivery? HORRIBLE, voice is the same every song, as i said above, u ppl think hes a god when he isnt anything. cant even ride beats..discography? consistant i agree, reasonable doubt, blue print are his only two above average albums. black album is wayyy overrated. why uthink u can put his vocals over beatles beat like the grey album did? because he doesnt speed up, slow it up, or change the delivery at all. just stays the same boring flow.storytelling? averageim an underground head with alot of backpackers as well, all of us agree he has got to be the most overrated.he can freestyle lil above average, i rather listen to that shit than a lot of his songs.whether people want to admit it or not, pac>big>em>nas>SLUG>fuckin tons of others>jayz & snoop.... both OVERRATED, enuff said