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Re: Pac's real sales figures...
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2005, 04:17:24 PM »
^^ but you gotta admit, 2pac up in the same category as Elvis and The Beatles?

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Re: Pac's real sales figures...
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2005, 11:19:58 PM »
I wasn't putting down Pac. I was just clearing up a false claim. Howver in all honesty, if any big name pop stars dropped two albums in one year they'd get two number ! albums. You think if Eminem dropped album the same year as MMLP it wouldn't have went to 1. He dropped 8 mile right after EM Show and that hit number 1. If Britany dropped two albums in 2000 they'd both go to #1. Same goes for N' Synch. Chart position doesn't mean that much.
 

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Re: Pac's real sales figures...
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2005, 02:16:04 AM »
These anti-Pac heads are a chuckle a minute. Fuck outta here.

FACT (not opinion): Pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist of all time, according to the RIAA, Billboard, and the Guiness Book of World Records. Id say that makes it pretty much OFFICIAL. If anyone even attempts to argue this, you are one thick-headed motherfucker that cant admit he's wrong.

If you anti-Pac heads dont like it, I dont know what to tell you, but those are the facts. Either accept them, or go cry like a bitch about it somewhere else. Now, close this piece of shit thread.



lol @"anti pac heads" who in this thread hated on pac ? sales don't tell shit about quality so doubting that pac sold as much as he did is not hatin, if the peeps who said 50 sold more are wrong then they are simply mistaking. Pac could be the biggest selling music artist ever and it still wouldn't mean a thing about the quality of his work. The only peeps who can sell that kinda numbers are peeps who are supported by the pop crowd who will buy whatever is on top. That goes for Pac, Em, 50 and all of em. Ice Cube is a legend and a vet who did way more for HipHop than Pac (talkin bout positive things) and he never did those kinda numbers. That's cause the mtv kids don't feel his shit as they do Pac's, Em's or 50's cause he's not commercialized the way they are, not runnig around with his shirt of whenever the camera is on as 50 and Pac do / did, ect.


nobody said 50 was better than Pac
how can you possibly be such a dickrider to get mad about someone doubting your hero's sales ? sales ain't shit when it comes to quality.. and that's the reason you are crying for and callin everyone an "anti Pac head" for ? ..dizzamn his nuts are deeply anchored in your mouth, that's for sure



Cube had more positive ish to say than Pac?? Lol, thats a joke. Cube never made a "Keep Ya Head Up" or "Brendas Got a Baby", or even a "White Mans World"......Pac was THE king at making socially concious/uplifting songs. Cube didnt have half the impact on hip hop culture that Pac did, that isnt even really up for debate but if you want to go there, id be more than happy to son you in front of this entire board. Lets not go there homie.

And please, for your own credibility, dont compare Eminem and 50 to 2Pac.......Pac is a real poet and songwriter, Em and 50 are syrupy pop garbage whos music will be forgotten about in a few years.

also, just because someone sells mad units doesnt mean only the pop TRL crowd likes them......those are definatly the words of a true hater right there. Dont hate cause your fav MC doesnt sell as much or have as much success. Pac sold that many records because he's an icon and simply made music that people could feel, simple as that. There's a reason why Pac's records still go platinum and debut at the top of the charts years after his death while todays rappers are only hot for a minute then there gone......its quite simple: Pac made BETTER and more timeless music. End of story.

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Re: Pac's real sales figures...
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2005, 02:41:09 AM »
I wasn't putting down Pac. I was just clearing up a false claim. Howver in all honesty, if any big name pop stars dropped two albums in one year they'd get two number ! albums. You think if Eminem dropped album the same year as MMLP it wouldn't have went to 1. He dropped 8 mile right after EM Show and that hit number 1. If Britany dropped two albums in 2000 they'd both go to #1. Same goes for N' Synch. Chart position doesn't mean that much.

Yea, but Pac's music was made in a different era than today's music. Today, it would be much easier to have two #1 albums in the same year. In 1990's or before, this was almost unheard of and impossible to accomplish, especially in hip hop. If Eminem came out in the 90's, he wouldnt sell half the units or debut number one as easily as he does today. In the 90's, you actually had to have something called TALENT to be able to sell alot of records and stay around. Look at MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.....they sold mad records, but were only around for a year or two then they were forgotten about. Pac was really the first hip hop artist that could sell 7 million records AND STILL maintain hip hop respect.

Even if Elvis did have the two #1 albums in 57', the fact Pac was the first artist (and the fact he was a hip hop artist at that) to do it in almost 40 years is staggering. Truly, Pac is the only hip hip artist that is worthy of being mentioned alongside names like Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, etc etc....
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Re: Pac's real sales figures...
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2005, 07:56:41 AM »
These anti-Pac heads are a chuckle a minute. Fuck outta here.

FACT (not opinion): Pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist of all time, according to the RIAA, Billboard, and the Guiness Book of World Records. Id say that makes it pretty much OFFICIAL. If anyone even attempts to argue this, you are one thick-headed motherfucker that cant admit he's wrong.

If you anti-Pac heads dont like it, I dont know what to tell you, but those are the facts. Either accept them, or go cry like a bitch about it somewhere else. Now, close this piece of shit thread.



lol @"anti pac heads" who in this thread hated on pac ? sales don't tell shit about quality so doubting that pac sold as much as he did is not hatin, if the peeps who said 50 sold more are wrong then they are simply mistaking. Pac could be the biggest selling music artist ever and it still wouldn't mean a thing about the quality of his work. The only peeps who can sell that kinda numbers are peeps who are supported by the pop crowd who will buy whatever is on top. That goes for Pac, Em, 50 and all of em. Ice Cube is a legend and a vet who did way more for HipHop than Pac (talkin bout positive things) and he never did those kinda numbers. That's cause the mtv kids don't feel his shit as they do Pac's, Em's or 50's cause he's not commercialized the way they are, not runnig around with his shirt of whenever the camera is on as 50 and Pac do / did, ect.


nobody said 50 was better than Pac
how can you possibly be such a dickrider to get mad about someone doubting your hero's sales ? sales ain't shit when it comes to quality.. and that's the reason you are crying for and callin everyone an "anti Pac head" for ? ..dizzamn his nuts are deeply anchored in your mouth, that's for sure



Cube had more positive ish to say than Pac?? Lol, thats a joke. Cube never made a "Keep Ya Head Up" or "Brendas Got a Baby", or even a "White Mans World"......Pac was THE king at making socially concious/uplifting songs. Cube didnt have half the impact on hip hop culture that Pac did, that isnt even really up for debate but if you want to go there, id be more than happy to son you in front of this entire board. Lets not go there homie.

"more positive to say" is undefined and therefore pointless. Don't try to put words in my mouth kid, I said he had more positive influence on HipHop. Being good at something doesn't necessarily influence others to bee good too, in Pac's case, way more people tried to imitate him (poorly)by claiming to be thugs than by coming up with good conscious lyricism themselves. Pac had a shitload of impact, but most of it was negative for the reason I just explained. Cube helped establishing political quality lyricism and made gangsta rap big with NWA. His positive impact on a whole nother level than Pac's, even though Pac is of course bigger. If you define "sonning" as putting words in my mouth, bringing up irrelevant aspects and making a fool of yourself, then congrats, u did it

And please, for your own credibility, dont compare Eminem and 50 to 2Pac.......Pac is a real poet and songwriter, Em and 50 are syrupy pop garbage whos music will be forgotten about in a few years.
I compare their sales and the reason they can sell that much, I never said 50 was on Pac's level. Em is capable of lyricism Pac is not capable of so you're really just proving how much of a dickrider you are and how little your knowledge on hiphop, especially lyricism is by making an ignorant statement like the one above. Eminem is not a songwroter ? biatch please


also, just because someone sells mad units doesnt mean only the pop TRL crowd likes them......those are definatly the words of a true hater right there.
those are words that a true nutlicker (yet again) put in the mouth of a unbiased, realistically thinkin hiphoper.
Lies can't help you here kid, everything I said is still in this thread to be quoted of needed, so what's the point ? I never said Pac had only these kinda fans, what I said is you can't sell that much if these peeps do not buy your shit, of course there are also real (hiphop) fans who liked him, alot actually, but there's also the pop crowd, lil ass girls like my lil sister who don't know shit about hiphop or good music but simply like what the media tells em to like. Wihouth them Pac and all the other artists who sell that much couldn't have done it.


Dont hate cause your fav MC doesnt sell as much or have as much success. Pac sold that many records because he's an icon and simply made music that people could feel, simple as that. There's a reason why Pac's records still go platinum and debut at the top of the charts years after his death while todays rappers are only hot for a minute then there gone......its quite simple: Pac made BETTER and more timeless music. End of story.
Em's hot for a minute and then gone ? yeah right

you try to make Pac's death look like a disadvantage for the sales of the albums he released, that's a joke kid, even you should be able to admit it.
It's his death that made him the most famous legend of hiphop, just look at his sales.
Peeps like KRS built hiphop, Pac didn't build shit, not conscious rap, not gangsta rap, not any of the styles he was kicking. the media is the reason peeps like KRS could never be as famous as Pac, if 'legend' was based on how much they dd for HipHop Pac wouldn't even be one. He was a great artist but eversince his prime HipHop has become weaker, not better. peeps like KRS established conscious rap, peeps like Cube established gangsta rap and helped establishing political rap. Pac did neither, simple as. No we got pricks like Ja Rule tryna be thugs and come off "deep" at the same time cause Pac was sucessfull with it, Pac's influence on hiphop, without it being his fault, was NOT good.

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Re: Pac's real sales figures...
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2005, 08:42:00 AM »
I wasn't putting down Pac. I was just clearing up a false claim. Howver in all honesty, if any big name pop stars dropped two albums in one year they'd get two number ! albums. You think if Eminem dropped album the same year as MMLP it wouldn't have went to 1. He dropped 8 mile right after EM Show and that hit number 1. If Britany dropped two albums in 2000 they'd both go to #1. Same goes for N' Synch. Chart position doesn't mean that much.

Yea, but Pac's music was made in a different era than today's music. Today, it would be much easier to have two #1 albums in the same year. In 1990's or before, this was almost unheard of and impossible to accomplish, especially in hip hop. If Eminem came out in the 90's, he wouldnt sell half the units or debut number one as easily as he does today. In the 90's, you actually had to have something called TALENT to be able to sell alot of records and stay around. Look at MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.....they sold mad records, but were only around for a year or two then they were forgotten about. Pac was really the first hip hop artist that could sell 7 million records AND STILL maintain hip hop respect.

Even if Elvis did have the two #1 albums in 57', the fact Pac was the first artist (and the fact he was a hip hop artist at that) to do it in almost 40 years is staggering. Truly, Pac is the only hip hip artist that is worthy of being mentioned alongside names like Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, etc etc....


But you have to understand that any number #1 selling artist that decided to release two albums in one year would do so. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Garth Brooks, Smashing Pumpkins, Mariah Carey etc. The difference is that when these atrists is when they release an album they go on tour afterwards for more than a year so they don't take time to record a new album but when the next when came it would hit number 1. 2pac never did any big tours. The guy would perform at clubs and small venues, while guys like Bruce Springsteen can do Giant Stadium 10 nights in a row at 50,000 tickets sold a night. 2pac could never have done that. I still love his music and still think he's the best rapper but I'm realistic enough to know that two #1 albums didn't put thim in the next level of entertainers as far as popularity goes.