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TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 05:07:21 PM ---
That's funny, I can find multiple examples all over the internet (many from Islamic web sites) stating that Sharia is derived directly from the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sunnah. To say it doesn't all come from the Koran may be true, but either you don't understand your own religion, or you're deliberately trying to misguide people. No Taqiyya Please. Also, if there's so much wrong with the Sharia, why is it praticed in the "home" of Islam, Saudi Arabia?
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You admitted that it doesn't all come from the Noble Qu'ran, so that's the end of that argument. Secondly, Saudi Arabia is not the "home" of Islam. Mekkah is the city we make pilgrimage too, and that city happens to be inside Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia is not the home of Islam. Saudi got it's name from the Saudi royal family, the British backed the Saudi's and helped put them into power around World War 1. The last time the Muslims had a Caliphate and Islamic empire was in the 19th century under the Ottoman Empire that was in Istanbull, Turkey. The Caliphate and the Ottoman was defeated in World War 1.
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 05:07:21 PM ---
It may not be found in the Koran, but it's pratcied in a majority of Muslim countries. What you fail to mention about the "compulsion" verse is that it's overridden by subsequent Koranic verses(9:73 for starters). The way you speak, you claim that there is only one religion, and everybody is muslim (remember the moon and sun are both muslim talk?). How can there be "compulsion" when you say things like that?
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First of all it's not practiced in a majority of Muslim countries, go to your little Islamichate.com websites and find me proof that it's practiced by a majority of Muslim countries, you can not back that statement up, it is a lie. As for the sun and the moon being Muslim, they are submitters to the will of the Creator, and they do not deviate from their prescribed courses, us, on the other hand, although we were created by Allah, he has given us free will, and some people choose to reject the reality of their Creator.
--- Quote from: Woodrow on January 31, 2005, 05:07:21 PM ---
This is an outright lie. You're telling me that jizya and zakat were essentially the same? Do some reading.
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Once again, if I'm lying then go to your IhateIslam.com website and find proof. What I said is not a lie. The American government forces me to pay taxes in this country. Likewise, in an Islamic country all people are required to pay taxes. Muslims are obligated to pay our religious tax, and non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizya tax.
Woodrow:
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---You admitted that it doesn't all come from the Noble Qu'ran, so that's the end of that argument.
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Sharia is based on Islam. Islam comes from the Koran. Is this passage not in the Koran?
Chapter 45: The Chapter of the Kneeling
17 ...then we gave you a Sharia in religion, follow it, and do not follow the lust of those who do not know...
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---
Secondly, Saudi Arabia is not the "home" of Islam. Mekkah is the city we make pilgrimage too, and that city happens to be inside Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia is not the home of Islam. Saudi got it's name from the Saudi royal family, the British backed the Saudi's and helped put them into power around World War 1. The last time the Muslims had a Caliphate and Islamic empire was in the 19th century under the Ottoman Empire that was in Istanbull, Turkey. The Caliphate and the Ottoman was defeated in World War 1.
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So Mecca isn't the traditional "home" of Islam? I'd say it's the "home" of Islam just like Vatican City is the "home" of Catholicism. It's the "religious capital" of Islam.
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---
First of all it's not practiced in a majority of Muslim countries, go to your little Islamichate.com websites and find me proof that it's practiced by a majority of Muslim countries, you can not back that statement up, it is a lie. As for the sun and the moon being Muslim, they are submitters to the will of the Creator, and they do not deviate from their prescribed courses, us, on the other hand, although we were created by Allah, he has given us free will, and some people choose to reject the reality of their Creator.
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I wasn't aware that www.religousfreedom.com perched hate for Islam? Why is it every time somebody asks tough questions about your religion, your initial defense is anger instead of explanation?
Perhaps I misspoke. Islam is mentioned in Sharia is practiced in some way/shape/form Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Afghanistan (before US invasion), parts of Nigeria, Egypt, Indonesia, and Canada. You can't deny that there's a powerful movement in Islamic countries (and any country with Muslim population) towards Sharia law.
I think it's funny that you say we can reject the will of the creator. If people reject the will of the creator, wouldn't that make them apostates? Whats the punishment for being an apostate again?
--- Quote from: Thul Hijjah 1425 A.H. on January 31, 2005, 08:00:45 PM ---
Once again, if I'm lying then go to your IhateIslam.com website and find proof. What I said is not a lie. The American government forces me to pay taxes in this country. Likewise, in an Islamic country all people are required to pay taxes. Muslims are obligated to pay our religious tax, and non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizya tax.
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Many esteemed historians (including Maxime Rodinson, Bat Ye'or, and A.S. Tritton) have shown that it was money from the dhimmi's, not from Muslims, that financed the early Islamic empires. Muslims paid nothing at all into the state treasury in the days when there were large populations (EX: Syria and Syria) of conquered Christians. Maxime Rodinson even points out that at certain times conversions to Islam were forbidden, as they were destroying the available tax base!
King Tech Quadafi:
Englewood, what do you know about Saudi institutional wahhabism?
Woodrow:
PESHAWAR, Feb 3: An MPA of the ruling Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal on Thursday tabled two private bills in the NWFP Assembly suggesting that music and dance in public places and educational institutions, and using photographs of women in advertisements be declared penal offences punishable by up to five years in prison along with a fine of up to Rs5,000 and Rs10,000, respectively.
The 'NWFP Prohibition of Dancing and Music Bill, 2005' and the 'NWFP Prohibition of Use of Women Photographs Bill, 2005' were moved by Mian Nadir Shah, the MPA from Mardan. Both offences will be cognizable and non-bailable.
Under rules, the voting on the bills can take place in three days. Opposition members Abdul Akbar Khan of the People's Party Parliamentarians and Bashir Ahmad Bilour of the Awami National Party opposed the bills.
In their speeches in the house on Thursday, both opposition members said the bills were aimed at Talibanisation of the province. In the first draft law, a public place is a building, house, room, tent, enclosure, road, lane, bridge, square or any other place to which the public is admitted to witness a dance or music performance on payment or otherwise.
The draft law envisages that dance with all its variations shall mean the performance of dance with or without any money consideration or reward. Similarly, music means musical functions with or without any money consideration or reward.
If the law is enacted, dancing and music in a public place or in an educational institution will be considered an offence punishable with imprisonment of up to five years and with fine of up to Rs5,000.
The proposed law empowers a police officer not below the rank of inspector to enter any public place or educational institution and arrest any person who in his opinion has committed, or is committing or is about to commit such offence, including the person who abets the commission of such an offence.
The second bill pertaining to photographs of women reads: "Photograph means a photograph of a woman obtained through camera or hand drawing/painting or portrait, whether factual or artificial, which may amount to any incentive to sensuality or excitement of impure thoughts in the mind of an ordinary man of normal temperament; or tends to corrupt those minds which are open to such immoral influence, or which is deemed to be detrimental to public morals and calculated to produce pernicious effect, in depriving and debauching the minds of person."
The draft law envisages that no person shall use the photograph in derogation of the dignity of human being or for commercial or advertisement purpose or for any purpose of monetary benefit or gain, including matters ancillary or incidental thereto.
http://www.dawn.com/2005/02/04/top7.htm
King Tech Quadafi:
^ In three years, the only improvement youve made, is your copy and paste timing, youre mouse game is unstoppable!!
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