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What made Dick Durbin apoligise?
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Don Rizzle on June 24, 2005, 09:59:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 23, 2005, 05:06:47 PM ---and if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)
to
science experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions
once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparison
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yes the numbers are a bit different and maybe the americans arn't trying to exterminate them or experiment on them, they are still torturing muslims and the institution is just a watered down version of the nazi concerntration camps. maybe you think guantamino bay should stay, but that doesn't mean you can't acknowledge the similarities.
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there's abrely any similarities, it's like saying Ja Rule = all of west coast rap
well they are all rappers so i guess it's similar
Ant:
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 23, 2005, 05:06:47 PM ---and if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)
to
science experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions
once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparison
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Comparing US detainment camps to boot camp is every bit as ridiculous as comparing U.S. troops to Nazis. There aren't homicides at bootcamp. People aren't chained in stress positions for days on end at Bootcamp. People aren't left chained to the floor lying in their own shit and piss in bootcamp. And no one goes home from bootcamp with pictures looking anything like the one's that leaked from Abu Graib.
Thirteen:
--- Quote from: Ant on June 24, 2005, 03:24:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 23, 2005, 05:06:47 PM ---and if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)
to
science experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions
once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparison
--- End quote ---
Comparing US detainment camps to boot camp is every bit as ridiculous as comparing U.S. troops to Nazis. There aren't homicides at bootcamp. People aren't chained in stress positions for days on end at Bootcamp. People aren't left chained to the floor lying in their own shit and piss in bootcamp. And no one goes home from bootcamp with pictures looking anything like the one's that leaked from Abu Graib.
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ok how about SEAL boot camp, where there have been casualties, where they have been beaten to death back in the day...problem solved, want to nitpick some more?
Thirteen:
Amnesty International recently compared the U.S. Guantanamo prison to the Soviet Gulags under Stalin. Here are the facts that they used to draw their conclusion:
Individuals Detained:
Gulag -- 20 million.
Guantanamo -- 750 total.
Number of Camps:
Gulag -- 476 separate camp complexes comprising thousands of individual camps.
Guantanamo -- five small camps on the U.S. military base in Cuba.
Reasons for Imprisonment:
Gulag -- hiding grain; owning too many cows; need for slave labor; being Jewish; being Finnish; being religious; being middle class; having had contact with foreigners; refusing to sleep with the head of Soviet counterintelligence; telling a joke about Stalin.
Guantanamo -- fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan; being suspected of links to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
Red Cross Visits:
Gulag -- none on record.
Guantanamo -- regular visits since January 2002.
Deaths as a Result of Poor Treatment:
Gulag -- multiple millions.
Guantanamo -- no reports of prisoner deaths.
Daily Diet:
Gulag -- meager portions of swill.
Guantanamo -- two hot religiously correct meals per day with constant supply of snacks.
Work Requirements:
Gulag -- forced labor.
Guantanamo -- none.
Medical Treatment:
Gulag -- none.
Guantanamo -- better than the 20 million report "uninsured" American citizens.
Torture Methods:
Gulag -- starvation, beatings, exposure to elements, slave labor.
Guantanamo -- humiliation, standing on the koran
Thirteen:
Is America the only country in the world that could run a prison camp where prisoners gain weight? Between April 2002 and March 2003, the Joint Task Force returned to Afghanistan 19 of the approximately 664 men (from 42 countries) who have been held in the detention camps at the U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay. Upon leaving, it has been reported, each man received two parting gifts: a brand new copy of the Koran as well as a new pair of jeans. Not the act of generosity that it might first appear, the jeans, at least, turned out to be a necessity. During their stay (14-months on average), the detainees (nearly all of them) had gained an average of 13 pounds.
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