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What made Dick Durbin apoligise?
Thirteen:
These claims were reported by the New Statesman and BBC News in the UK and around the world - yet they were inaccurate. As spiked revealed, the story about Habib being bled on by a naked prostitute did not come from Habib himself but from Jamal al-Harith, one of the freed Brits. We also reported that when Habib was released at the end of January, his version of the story was dramatically different: he said it wasn't a prostitute who taunted him, but an interrogator; she wasn't naked, she was wearing a skirt and top; and she didn't bleed on to him while he was manacled to the floor - she allegedly touched him with something that she said was blood, which is now widely believed to have been red ink from a magic marker
Real American:
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 24, 2005, 03:51:37 PM ---Amnesty International recently compared the U.S. Guantanamo prison to the Soviet Gulags under Stalin. Here are the facts that they used to draw their conclusion:
Individuals Detained:
Gulag -- 20 million.
Guantanamo -- 750 total.
Number of Camps:
Gulag -- 476 separate camp complexes comprising thousands of individual camps.
Guantanamo -- five small camps on the U.S. military base in Cuba.
Reasons for Imprisonment:
Gulag -- hiding grain; owning too many cows; need for slave labor; being Jewish; being Finnish; being religious; being middle class; having had contact with foreigners; refusing to sleep with the head of Soviet counterintelligence; telling a joke about Stalin.
Guantanamo -- fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan; being suspected of links to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
Red Cross Visits:
Gulag -- none on record.
Guantanamo -- regular visits since January 2002.
Deaths as a Result of Poor Treatment:
Gulag -- multiple millions.
Guantanamo -- no reports of prisoner deaths.
Daily Diet:
Gulag -- meager portions of swill.
Guantanamo -- two hot religiously correct meals per day with constant supply of snacks.
Work Requirements:
Gulag -- forced labor.
Guantanamo -- none.
Medical Treatment:
Gulag -- none.
Guantanamo -- better than the 20 million report "uninsured" American citizens.
Torture Methods:
Gulag -- starvation, beatings, exposure to elements, slave labor.
Guantanamo -- humiliation, standing on the koran
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That post pretty much ends the debate.
Seriously, how can you take people seriously when they make these kind of comparisons? It is just nonsense, so why waste your time with idiots?
Ant:
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 24, 2005, 03:33:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ant on June 24, 2005, 03:24:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 23, 2005, 05:06:47 PM ---and if you qualify stress positions and lack of sleep torture of 500 people (pretty much the same things people go through in boot camp)
to
science experiments that almost always led to death, gassing, starvation and violent beatings to millions
once again, only an idiot would make that kind of comparison
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Comparing US detainment camps to boot camp is every bit as ridiculous as comparing U.S. troops to Nazis. There aren't homicides at bootcamp. People aren't chained in stress positions for days on end at Bootcamp. People aren't left chained to the floor lying in their own shit and piss in bootcamp. And no one goes home from bootcamp with pictures looking anything like the one's that leaked from Abu Graib.
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ok how about SEAL boot camp, where there have been casualties, where they have been beaten to death back in the day...problem solved, want to nitpick some more?
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Nitpick? Please post some evidence (not bullshit, talkin out ur ass, opinions) that a NAVY Seal Bootcamp is anything like what goes on in US detainment camps. If ever there was a NAVY Seal who was beaten to death during training you would condone that? Anyone in their right mind realizes that NAVY Seals are not beaten regularly, held in stress positions, and chained to the floor covered in their own shit and piss.
You already read the article but maybe I should repost it.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=79558.0
We actually beat a US soldier during a training drill to the point where he suffered permanent brain damage, and that was a training drill. Feel free to criticize people who compare the US to Nazis, but don't start talking bullshit like being detaineed Guantanmo is the same as a NAVY Seal Bootcamp. Firstly you've never been to NAVY Seal Bootcamp and secondly, your speaking out your ass w/o even referencing anything (I can garantee, and you will know its the truth when you read this, that you made a bullshit claim with no supporting evidence). Your bullshit claim doesn't even vidicate your original ridiculous statement. There are no regular homicides during NAVY Seal Bootcamp. Are you so dumb as to argue despite the existence of photographs and FBI correspondence showing what happens in US Detainment camps that what goes on there is the equivalent of Bootcamp? Then there is the Bybee Gonzales Memo which you probably know nothing of, but you shouldnt even have to know about it. Only a bigot would continue suggest so arrogantly what you just said. Congratulations you rank right next to Bill O'Reilly who went one step further and told us this sorta stuff is equivalent to Fraternity hazing.
Ant:
--- Quote from: CWalker187 on June 24, 2005, 05:31:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: What's Going On? on June 24, 2005, 03:51:37 PM ---Amnesty International recently compared the U.S. Guantanamo prison to the Soviet Gulags under Stalin. Here are the facts that they used to draw their conclusion:
Individuals Detained:
Gulag -- 20 million.
Guantanamo -- 750 total.
Number of Camps:
Gulag -- 476 separate camp complexes comprising thousands of individual camps.
Guantanamo -- five small camps on the U.S. military base in Cuba.
Reasons for Imprisonment:
Gulag -- hiding grain; owning too many cows; need for slave labor; being Jewish; being Finnish; being religious; being middle class; having had contact with foreigners; refusing to sleep with the head of Soviet counterintelligence; telling a joke about Stalin.
Guantanamo -- fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan; being suspected of links to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
Red Cross Visits:
Gulag -- none on record.
Guantanamo -- regular visits since January 2002.
Deaths as a Result of Poor Treatment:
Gulag -- multiple millions.
Guantanamo -- no reports of prisoner deaths.
Daily Diet:
Gulag -- meager portions of swill.
Guantanamo -- two hot religiously correct meals per day with constant supply of snacks.
Work Requirements:
Gulag -- forced labor.
Guantanamo -- none.
Medical Treatment:
Gulag -- none.
Guantanamo -- better than the 20 million report "uninsured" American citizens.
Torture Methods:
Gulag -- starvation, beatings, exposure to elements, slave labor.
Guantanamo -- humiliation, standing on the koran
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That post pretty much ends the debate.
Seriously, how can you take people seriously when they make these kind of comparisons? It is just nonsense, so why waste your time with idiots?
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You are one of the stupidest people on this forum. Never with real facts, only bullshit rhetoric. Regardless of the stupidity of comparing the US to Nazis, you just plain and simple shouldn't ever open your mouth. Mommy and Daddy obviously brainwashed you at an early age. You are the epitomy of a bigot and far surpass anything Woodrow is capable of.
Thirteen:
lol the only beating that has been confirmed is of a US serviceman so yes i can compare this to navy Seal training, i can even compare it to regular bootcamp
we have done stress positions in bootcamp, there are stress positions in seal training
there have been deaths in both bootcamp and seal training...that right there are more than the deaths at guantanimo
i've seen suicide attempts and people needed pshych evals from stress and abuse during boot camp
i've seen people piss on themselves in boot camp
if you want me to find stories about death and exhaustion in boot camp to shut your dumb ass up....say so...but i know you won't find anything about deaths in gitmo
even most of the stories of torture are made up there without any hard physical proof
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