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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on April 11, 2024, 03:39:25 AM
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Listening to the latest podcast he really pushin that shit hard. Also he saying Snoop, Kurupt, Warren G, Def Jam all owe him money cause Kurupt and Snoop wrote Warren’s album and they were under contract with Suge and he didn’t get paid. He said Dre took all the Death Row drum loops or whatever to Aftermath so Dre owe him 20-30 million. He says if he don’t collect the debt from them — then it’s passed on to their kids like a direct threat to their children.
That’s some hardcore shit that Suge is pushin right there… what y’all make of this line Suge is pushin these days??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy0pNXEfQtI&t
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If Suge is so certain of this crazy ass bullshit he's talking from behind bars, maybe he should hire a lawyer and sue them all. Until then, he can shut the fuck up.
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Listening to the latest podcast he really pushin that shit hard. Also he saying Snoop, Kurupt, Warren G, Def Jam all owe him money cause Kurupt and Snoop wrote Warren’s album and they were under contract with Suge and he didn’t get paid. He said Dre took all the Death Row drum loops or whatever to Aftermath so Dre owe him 20-30 million. He says if he don’t collect the debt from them — then it’s passed on to their kids like a direct threat to their children.
That’s some hardcore shit that Suge is pushin right there… what y’all make of this line Suge is pushin these days??
https://youtu.be/Uy0pNXEfQtI?si=h8eW7u83LqeFq2RR
https://www.youtube/Uy0pNXEfQtI?si=h8eW7u83LqeFq2RR
https://www.youtube.com/Uy0pNXEfQtI?si=h8eW7u83LqeFq2RR
https://youtu.be/Uy0pNXEfQtI?si=h8e
https://youtu.be/Uy0pNXEfQtI?si=h8eW7u83LqeFq2RR
Fuccin hell man how you post a damn video
It's funny because he used to say Snoop used ghostwriters, like he had Crooked I, Kurupt, Techniec, Soopafly, Tray Deee, etc. write a bunch of his stuff when he was on the Row. But then Suge says Snoop wrote for Warren's album. So apparently Snoop doesn't have the talent to write his own lyrics, but can write a whole album's worth of lyrics for Warren G. See how stupid Suge is? He contradicts himself all the time. Don't be a sheep and blindly believe everything he says.
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If Suge is so certain of this crazy ass bullshit he's talking from behind bars, maybe he should hire a lawyer and sue them all. Until then, he can shut the fuck up.
It's pretty much like a style of good ol fashion extortion. The Mafia did it and it's been done for centuries, even some Empires were built off extortion.
Basically he finds somebody make money and then makes some fuccin claim that that person owes him, then uses fear and intimidation until he gets what he's asking for. But really the person is just paying Suge to leave them alone.
It's similar to the Mob basically going to the neighborhood liquor store and being like, "look, it's because of us you get to do business here and we keep the neighborhood safe, so you owe us X amount".
It's how Suge did Vanilla Ice, and still doing that shit I think he got some grip off Akon doing such shit and countless others.
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It's funny because he used to say Snoop used ghostwriters, like he had Crooked I, Kurupt, Techniec, Soopafly, Tray Deee, etc. write a bunch of his stuff when he was on the Row. But then Suge says Snoop wrote for Warren's album. So apparently Snoop doesn't have the talent to write his own lyrics, but can write a whole album's worth of lyrics for Warren G. See how stupid Suge is? He contradicts himself all the time. Don't be a sheep and blindly believe everything he says.
You're right, but when did I say I believe everything Suge says? I just love Suge because he's the same as me he's stuck in summer 1996 TimeWarp and hasn't really moved on since Pac's murder. He stayed down and true to Pac to this day reppin the same shit he was reppin in 96'
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He's full of Shit same guy that says Dre owes him everything for his star on the Hollywood walk of fame
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Ghea this sounds like some conspiracy theory bullshit - Suge grasping at straws and being bored in prison.
Where did he/they get the $$ to fund this? Animation, recording, etc?
Did Suge’s son sell Deathrow records to Snoop a couple years ago? Are they spending the money on this, biting the hand that is feeding them? Let bygones be bygones.
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Did Suge’s son sell Deathrow records to Snoop a couple years ago? Are they spending the money on this, biting the hand that is feeding them? Let bygones be bygones.
Death Row filed a corporate bankruptcy the same time Suge filed a personal bankruptcy. Death Row was bought out of the bankruptcy court by another record label and has been resold a few times, until Snoop finally got a hold of it
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What's strange actually was like how when Chronic was out and all the way up until All Eyez On Me was released it was always like Dre was the owner. Suge was like Dre's partner and co-founder/owner like 50/50 type of thing. I think even on paper that's what it all said.
Over the years it's turned into like it was Suge's company, and Dre was signed and owned by Suge, even when Dre left in 96 he supposedly left without getting a penny from Suge and even more than that now Suge is saying Dre owes him money.
I think Suge is saying he had a management contract on Dre while Dre was at Death Row.
...but ultimately, the whole thing is just ironic if you are as old as I was and remember the Chronic and Doggystyle days. Like Dre's the man, he ain't gettin jerked by Jerry and Eazy anymore. He's got his own shit, he knows the numbers, not to be fucked with. It went from being Dre left Ruthless and got his own record label to being like Dre was owned by Suge and now has to be his lifelong slave or some shit ;D
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It's funny because he used to say Snoop used ghostwriters, like he had Crooked I, Kurupt, Techniec, Soopafly, Tray Deee, etc. write a bunch of his stuff when he was on the Row. But then Suge says Snoop wrote for Warren's album. So apparently Snoop doesn't have the talent to write his own lyrics, but can write a whole album's worth of lyrics for Warren G. See how stupid Suge is? He contradicts himself all the time. Don't be a sheep and blindly believe everything he says.
Snoop was the one who said that he wrote on Warren G's first album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2HMWuerxI
So if anyone is lying here, it's him. If Snoop/DPG did write/produce but had a deal with Suge where Suge was allowed a percentage of the publishing from anything they did during that time, then Snoop owes. Biggie allegedly did the same thing with Lil Kim + Lil Cease where he wrote for them but didn't tell Diddy so he couldn't profit from it. According to Gene Deal.
Also, both things can be true. An artist can write about hittin' switches in 64's all day but not be able to create an entire well balanced album with substance. Or might need help with hooks or concepts.
As far as the Dre lifetime contract thing goes, it makes sense. From my research, Suge really held Dre down during his post Ruthless days financially and Dre wanted out of his contract bad. Knowing Suge and Dre from everything that has come out, I can see Suge being business savvy enough to present such an agreement to Dre and on the flipside, I can see Dre being vulnerable and to some extent desperate enough to sign it. Someone here who I assumed was from Dre's camp has addressed me here in the past when we were discussing the topic. I just don't believe that there is no merit to this after everything that has transpired. I would love to see any documentation there is about this as far as an actual contract, if Dre has paid Suge anything post DR or if Suge has tried to collect on anything from Dre post DR.
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Ghea this sounds like some conspiracy theory bullshit - Suge grasping at straws and being bored in prison.
Where did he/they get the $$ to fund this? Animation, recording, etc?
Did Suge’s son sell Deathrow records to Snoop a couple years ago? Are they spending the money on this, biting the hand that is feeding them? Let bygones be bygones.
Suge's son never owned it to begin with
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https://youtu.be/-k6h-Nx837E?si=c0VCLn48McYIxaNW
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i thought snoop and suge were cool ; at least before suge was incarcerated
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https://youtu.be/-k6h-Nx837E?si=c0VCLn48McYIxaNW
Damn Warren G looked upset. Time to regulate.
Good response from Warren. Time to move on.
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Post script- how do you post a dam YouTube video on here? Everytime I copy:paste the link it doesnt show the video preview- just some code. :-X
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Damn Warren G looked upset. Time to regulate.
Good response from Warren. Time to move on.
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Post script- how do you post a dam YouTube video on here? Everytime I copy:paste the link it doesnt show the video preview- just some code. :-X
I have the same problem. I kind of fixed it from the laptop I take the url from the search bar and not from youtube and cut off the end or fix where it says youtube... but yeah I have same problem
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Post script- how do you post a dam YouTube video on here? Everytime I copy:paste the link it doesnt show the video preview- just some code. :-X
You have to post the link in the https://www.youtube.com/ format rather than the https://youtu.be way.
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As far as the Dre lifetime contract thing goes, it makes sense. From my research, Suge really held Dre down during his post Ruthless days financially and Dre wanted out of his contract bad. Knowing Suge and Dre from everything that has come out, I can see Suge being business savvy enough to present such an agreement to Dre and on the flipside, I can see Dre being vulnerable and to some extent desperate enough to sign it. Someone here who I assumed was from Dre's camp has addressed me here in the past when we were discussing the topic. I just don't believe that there is no merit to this after everything that has transpired. I would love to see any documentation there is about this as far as an actual contract, if Dre has paid Suge anything post DR or if Suge has tried to collect on anything from Dre post DR.
The life time contract is bullshit. This shit was already litigated in 2010 when Dre sued Suge and Wide Awake LLC, who bought Death Row out of the bankruptcy. Suge tried to pull that lifetime contract shot, had no proof of it, and the judge shut it down. He then essentially awarded Dre all the rights to The Chronic and any other music he made while on Death Row. The judge found that the written contract that Dre and Suge signed back in the day entitled Dre to all digital rights including streaming and downloads and 100% of the proceeds of any physical releases. Essentially saying that Dre alone could put his stuff out ok digital platforms, while DR could release physical copies, but they could not be altered and all proceeds were due to Dre. This shit is easily Google'd.
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The life time contract is bullshit. This shit was already litigated in 2010 when Dre sued Suge and Wide Awake LLC, who bought Death Row out of the bankruptcy. Suge tried to pull that lifetime contract shot, had no proof of it, and the judge shut it down. He then essentially awarded Dre all the rights to The Chronic and any other music he made while on Death Row. The judge found that the written contract that Dre and Suge signed back in the day entitled Dre to all digital rights including streaming and downloads and 100% of the proceeds of any physical releases. Essentially saying that Dre alone could put his stuff out ok digital platforms, while DR could release physical copies, but they could not be altered and all proceeds were due to Dre. This shit is easily Google'd.
Damn.. about time Dre finally gets some recognition as “founder and owner of Death Row”. Because that’s certainly what we all thought he was back in the day.
I’m curious about the Chronic when he left to go to Aftermath I wonder if he gave all the rights to the Chronic to Suge at that time, and if so how could he have then gotten it back from Wide Awake?
Maybe I will have to “google” as you said
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Suge on that bullshit like he has been forever. This is nothing new.
It's funny because he used to say Snoop used ghostwriters, like he had Crooked I, Kurupt, Techniec, Soopafly, Tray Deee, etc. write a bunch of his stuff when he was on the Row. But then Suge says Snoop wrote for Warren's album. So apparently Snoop doesn't have the talent to write his own lyrics, but can write a whole album's worth of lyrics for Warren G. See how stupid Suge is? He contradicts himself all the time. Don't be a sheep and blindly believe everything he says.
Never heard Suge say that, but Snoop has admitted plenty of times he uses writers. Snoop has been a ghostwriter too though, so it is what it is.
i thought snoop and suge were cool ; at least before suge was incarcerated
They were and Snoop even gave Suge shoutouts etc.
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The life time contract is bullshit. This shit was already litigated in 2010 when Dre sued Suge and Wide Awake LLC, who bought Death Row out of the bankruptcy. Suge tried to pull that lifetime contract shot, had no proof of it, and the judge shut it down. He then essentially awarded Dre all the rights to The Chronic and any other music he made while on Death Row. The judge found that the written contract that Dre and Suge signed back in the day entitled Dre to all digital rights including streaming and downloads and 100% of the proceeds of any physical releases. Essentially saying that Dre alone could put his stuff out ok digital platforms, while DR could release physical copies, but they could not be altered and all proceeds were due to Dre. This shit is easily Google'd.
Was the said agreement written or verbal? The papers I read only said so much.
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They were and Snoop even gave Suge shoutouts etc.
Well Snoop, Daz, and Kurupt you can tell they all wish they were cool with Suge deep down. And so they've made attempts to be cool with Suge.
But I guarantee you, that pic of Snoop and Suge cool with each other snapping a photo at a bar or wherever that was a few years before Suge got locked up... we don't know the full story. How do you know Suge had not approached him Vanilla Ice style at the bar and pulled him to the side to "talk business with him". Just cause they are smiling in the photo doesn't mean "Suge and Snoop are cool with each other".
More like.. Snoop wanted to make peace with Suge and Suge wanted to pull him to the side to talk a little business (extort him)
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Was the said agreement written or verbal? The papers I read only said so much.
The supposed lifetime contract? I assume it was verbal, since Suge has no physical evidence. Or it's just Suge bullshiting everyone, like he always does. Also, most jurisdictions are highly skeptical of indefinite or lifetime contracts and if there's way for a party to cancel the contract, most courts will imply a right to cancel exists.
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Damn.. about time Dre finally gets some recognition as “founder and owner of Death Row”. Because that’s certainly what we all thought he was back in the day.
I’m curious about the Chronic when he left to go to Aftermath I wonder if he gave all the rights to the Chronic to Suge at that time, and if so how could he have then gotten it back from Wide Awake?
Maybe I will have to “google” as you said
Yes, please do. Google "Dr. Dre 2010 Chronic lawsuit." You'll find plenty of results. I've posted the links in this very forum multiple times and no one seems to read them, because people keep talking about whether Dre was truly a co-owner of DR and whether Suge has him under lifetime contract and this lawsuit resolved all of it.
Suge. Has. Nothing.
Period.
Full stop.
Point blank.
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Yes, please do. Google "Dr. Dre 2010 Chronic lawsuit." You'll find plenty of results. I've posted the links in this very forum multiple times and no one seems to read them, because people keep talking about whether Dre was truly a co-owner of DR and whether Suge has him under lifetime contract and this lawsuit resolved all of it.
Suge. Has. Nothing.
Period.
Full stop.
Point blank.
Answer this though. Didn't Dre give away his rights to all Death Row material including the Chronic when he went away to start Aftermath? So how then would he have been able to get them back?
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Yes, please do. Google "Dr. Dre 2010 Chronic lawsuit." You'll find plenty of results. I've posted the links in this very forum multiple times and no one seems to read them, because people keep talking about whether Dre was truly a co-owner of DR and whether Suge has him under lifetime contract and this lawsuit resolved all of it.
Suge. Has. Nothing.
Period.
Full stop.
Point blank.
No, you're mistaken. Just because he lost the case or the law is "highly skeptical" doesn't mean that he didn't have the contract. That's where I'm at with this. I'm not talking legal loopholes, I just want to know if there was indeed such a contract. Not the law, the actual truth of the matter.
Since you appear versed in some of this stuff, what's the situation with Dre and Interscope? There is some talk that he can't release music on any other label. I'm not suggesting that Interscope has him to some sort of lifetime deal, I just want to know if that's true and if so why.
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I have to correct myself here. The lifetime contract was supposed to have been done when Dre left DR, not Ruthless.
How was Suge Knight owed money? When Eazy-E and Jerry Heller settled their lawsuit with Suge Knight they signed over the name NWA to Knight. That name was used freely in the movie and Suge should have been paid for it. Also, the likeness of Suge Knight appeared in the movie and even Ice Cube said that Suge should be paid. Also, when Dr. Dre left Death Row Records, Suge Knight signed a lifetime management contract with Dr. Dre. That meant that some of the Beats money had a legitimate claim by Suge Knight. Clearly there was some money he could expect to be paid and that was at least the subject of a negotiation.
http://www.americannewsservice.org/2016/02/suge-knight-was-guaranteed-safety-for.html
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Answer this though. Didn't Dre give away his rights to all Death Row material including the Chronic when he went away to start Aftermath? So how then would he have been able to get them back?
The long story short is he didn't give it all away. He still had a direct contract with Interscope which superceded DR and DR only got the rights to the Chronic in CD, record, cassette, and 8-track, since digital downloads and streaming didn't exist yet. This link right here discusses a 2014 lawsuit that Dre lost, but in the body of the article, it gives an excellent summary of what happened in the 2010-2011 lawsuit and why Dre won. If you scroll to the bottom, there's also a complete copy of the judge's decision in the 2014 case that explains the background of the case from 1991 to 2014.
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dr-dre-3-million-royalty-claim-the-chronic-suge-knight-death-row-interscope-6084811/
No, you're mistaken. Just because he lost the case or the law is "highly skeptical" doesn't mean that he didn't have the contract. That's where I'm at with this. I'm not talking legal loopholes, I just want to know if there was indeed such a contract. Not the law, the actual truth of the matter.
Since you appear versed in some of this stuff, what's the situation with Dre and Interscope? There is some talk that he can't release music on any other label. I'm not suggesting that Interscope has him to some sort of lifetime deal, I just want to know if that's true and if so why.
The above link also discusses the 1991 oral agreement between Dre and Suge. It was eventually put in writing in 1992 and when Dre bought himself out of DR in 1996, he also bought himself out of the 1991 agreement. So there may have been an agreement at one point, but Dre got out of it when he left DR.
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I have to correct myself here. The lifetime contract was supposed to have been done when Dre left DR, not Ruthless.
http://www.americannewsservice.org/2016/02/suge-knight-was-guaranteed-safety-for.html
Nowhere in Suge Knight's personal bankruptcy or in Death Row's business bankruptcy was any such contract ever listed. If it was a legitimate contract, the bankruptcy trustee would have sued Dre on behalf of Suge and DR to enforce it to get money to pay off Suge's and DR's lenders.
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It is amazing that people still believe anything that Suge says.
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It is amazing that people still believe anything that Suge says.
For real. Some people will believe anything, no matter how much evidence you throw at them. I'm posting links to actual court decisions based on years of evidence and testimony that was collected by and from Dre, Suge, Death Row, Wide Awake, and their very highly paid attorneys. And people are still like, "there must be more to it!" based on unsourced blogs, written by God know who. It's no wonder so many people buy into conspiracy theories today.
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For real. Some people will believe anything, no matter how much evidence you throw at them. I'm posting links to actual court decisions based on years of evidence and testimony that was collected by and from Dre, Suge, Death Row, Wide Awake, and their very highly paid attorneys. And people are still like, "there must be more to it!" based on unsourced blogs, written by God know who. It's no wonder so many people buy into conspiracy theories today.
1. Suge wasn't lying about Snoop ghostwriting for Warren G, Snoop said it himself. Again, if anyone is lying, it's Snoop. 2. No one is denying the evidence you posted because you just posted. How can anyone deny something they haven't read. 3. The blog I posted is from researcher Michael Carlin who worked directly with Russell Poole who was a detective, a decorated one at that. The same ones that brought forth alot of other information that has withstood the test of time. 4. There is audio that was released on Thug Life Army years ago of the judge conspiring against Suge to take away DR and there have been all types of documented illegal acts against him in the case that has him in jail now. That is why I take all of the legal things with a grain of salt and I'm not using the legal system as the measuring stick for the truth. Just because the courts rule something doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't mean that it isn't either, I just want to see more.
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It is amazing that people still believe anything that Suge says.
Unbelievable.
People love myths & Fantasy.
These are legal dealings, get a lawyer and go get yours.
All these never ending podcast talks by Daz & Suge about what they are owed is dated
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All these never ending podcast talks by Daz & Suge about what they are owed is dated
It's not just Daz and Suge. Reggie Wright Jr. has recently said that Snoop and DR owe him. If Snoop and DPG members did work on Warren G's album, then they might owe Suge as well. I can see why Warren was pissed that Snoop even said anything about it because the admission can possibly open him up to litigation. If DR material was used at Aftermath, there may be legal issues there as well.
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It's not just Daz and Suge. Reggie Wright Jr. has recently said that Snoop and DR owe him. If Snoop and DPG members did work on Warren G's album, then they might owe Suge as well. I can see why Warren was pissed that Snoop even said anything about it because the admission can possibly open him up to litigation. If DR material was used at Aftermath, there may be legal issues there as well.
Exactly my point! All of that is just talking on YouTube.
Go and tell your lawyers all of that, not just chatting random things to get views and clicks.
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Exactly my point! All of that is just talking on YouTube.
Go and tell your lawyers all of that, not just chatting random things to get views and clicks.
You also made it a point to call people saying they were owed money myths and fantasies I'm assuming because they haven't taken the legal route yet. Reggie said he did get a lawyer and he's proven his claims. Before he did that he spoke on it on YT. Going the legal route is the last resort, not the first. You call them out and hope to settle and if not then get a lawyer. It's not about clicks and views, it's about saving time and money.
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Spooky :hubie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-W1zP9Vypg