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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: xquistqban on July 09, 2006, 08:13:02 AM
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Does anybody know how many copies Dogg Food sold its first week in stores back in 1995. I cannot find it anywhere. Also, was it ever # 1 on the Billboard Charts? Thanks.
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Its was no. 1 The Billboard 200 on 18 Nov, 1995
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It did far better than "Cali Iz Active", if that's what you're wondering. I don't remember exact numbers, but "Dogg Food" is certified 2x Platinum, so it must have sold pretty well in its first week, considering that it produced almost no big hits on the charts.
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its because it was embroiled in massive controversy at the time..
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its because it was embroiled in massive controversy at the time..
That surely didn't hurt, but I'd attribute it more to the dope ass singles - "Let's Play House" and "NY, NY" were incredible songs. I don't know how well they charted as singles, but I remember seeing both all over MTV back in 95. The music was dope simple and plain, and contrary to popular belief these days, that can actually sell a record moreso than controversy / hype / promotion.
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The singles definately were not that big as far as deathrow singles go
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It came out like a year late.
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That surely didn't hurt, but I'd attribute it more to the dope ass singles - "Let's Play House" and "NY, NY" were incredible songs. I don't know how well they charted as singles, but I remember seeing both all over MTV back in 95. The music was dope simple and plain, and contrary to popular belief these days, that can actually sell a record moreso than controversy / hype / promotion.
This coming from the same cat who once argued with me that it was only hype that made "Candy Shop" a huge hit?
"Dogg Food" definitely sold more because of the controversy than anything else. "Let's Play House" was a moderate hit, but it was certainly not a big success in spite of the promotion (do you know anyone besides West Coast hip-hop fans bumping that shit today?) Its highest chart position was #45 and "NY, NY" I remember was considered a HUGE failure because of all the money spent on the video (I can't seem to find evidence of it hitting the Top 100 at all!)
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^ yup for sure..
people look back at 95/96 with rose tinted specs.. hell half of them on here who talk this way were no more than 5 years old at the time..
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That surely didn't hurt, but I'd attribute it more to the dope ass singles - "Let's Play House" and "NY, NY" were incredible songs. I don't know how well they charted as singles, but I remember seeing both all over MTV back in 95. The music was dope simple and plain, and contrary to popular belief these days, that can actually sell a record moreso than controversy / hype / promotion.
This coming from the same cat who once argued with me that it was only hype that made "Candy Shop" a huge hit?
"Dogg Food" definitely sold more because of the controversy than anything else. "Let's Play House" was a moderate hit, but it was certainly not a big success in spite of the promotion (do you know anyone besides West Coast hip-hop fans bumping that shit today?) Its highest chart position was #45 and "NY, NY" I remember was considered a HUGE failure because of all the money spent on the video (I can't seem to find evidence of it hitting the Top 100 at all!)
yup...cant argue with this....
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That surely didn't hurt, but I'd attribute it more to the dope ass singles - "Let's Play House" and "NY, NY" were incredible songs. I don't know how well they charted as singles, but I remember seeing both all over MTV back in 95. The music was dope simple and plain, and contrary to popular belief these days, that can actually sell a record moreso than controversy / hype / promotion.
This coming from the same cat who once argued with me that it was only hype that made "Candy Shop" a huge hit?
"Dogg Food" definitely sold more because of the controversy than anything else. "Let's Play House" was a moderate hit, but it was certainly not a big success in spite of the promotion (do you know anyone besides West Coast hip-hop fans bumping that shit today?) Its highest chart position was #45 and "NY, NY" I remember was considered a HUGE failure because of all the money spent on the video (I can't seem to find evidence of it hitting the Top 100 at all!)
yup...cant argue with this....
The music was and still is dope indeed but that wasn't the reason why Dogg Food was a succes, controversy sells...
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^ yup for sure..
people look back at 95/96 with rose tinted specs.. hell half of them on here who talk this way were no more than 5 years old at the time..
agreed
I remember people debating me over what was the better CD to buy at the time, Dogg Food or Cypress Hill's Temple of Boom. I remember more people wanting Temple of Boom (a great CD in it's own rights) over Dogg Food. Let's Play House was an ok single, but Illusions was fucking up westcoast radio, and Dogg Pound and Death Row were starting to take a back set to the Ice Cube/Cypress Hill beef and lets not forget the Luniz had the biggest single of 95. Also, Dogg Food dropped 2 months before California Love debuted on Cali radio, and basically The Dogg Pound was a secondary album, or a set up to what was a huge 96 for Death Row, and the unleasing of 2Pac.
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But at the end of the day it's still a classic no matter what the reasons were for it to go 2x platinum...
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IMO its not a true classic.. its just an older decent album...
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IMO its not a true classic.. its just an older decent album...
Opinions vary and that's a good thing... 8)
When I first popped it in my CD player and Dogg Pound Gangstaz came on that was it, I already knew right then that this album was gonna be a classic (at least to me) but I remember some of my friends at that time weren't really feeling it because of the beats they were expecting songs produced by Dre... Didn't really bother me though, Daz was already in my top 5 of favourite producers at that time...
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Illamatic, Makaveli, Paid in Full, The Chronic, Ready to Die, those are classics.
Dogg Food, Doggystyle, the Predator, those a great albums that have great replay value. People forget the difference.
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Illamatic, Makaveli, Paid in Full, The Chronic, Ready to Die, those are classics.
Dogg Food, Doggystyle, the Predator, those a great albums that have great replay value. People forget the difference.
Doggystyle NOT a classic?!!
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Illamatic, Makaveli, Paid in Full, The Chronic, Ready to Die, those are classics.
Dogg Food, Doggystyle, the Predator, those a great albums that have great replay value. People forget the difference.
Doggystyle NOT a classic?!!
you heard right... listen to Snoops lyrics, and tell me his flow didn't hide most of his weakness. He had classic singles off that CD.
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Doogystyle is definetly a classic, Dogg Food aint.
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Illamatic, Makaveli, Paid in Full, The Chronic, Ready to Die, those are classics.
Dogg Food, Doggystyle, the Predator, those a great albums that have great replay value. People forget the difference.
Doggystyle NOT a classic?!!
you heard right... listen to Snoops lyrics, and tell me his flow didn't hide most of his weakness. He had classic singles off that CD.
And what weakness would that be? C'mon mane this was his first album anyway and look what it had turned in to, it's the total package: GREAT production, GREAT guest appearances (not in abundance) that fitted in just right and Snoop was just... GREAT! I mean he was hungry and tight as fuck back then and they certainly didn't make this album just for the money cause D.R. hadn't blown up that big at that time...
I agree with all the albums you classified as classics but Doggystyle definitely deserves to be on that list too...
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After relistening to Doggystyle for the 100000000000th time, i redeclair it a classic... lol :D
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After relistening to Doggystyle for the 100000000000th time, i redeclair it a classic... lol :D
lol
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Albums do about 10 times what the first week sold. So Dogg Food probably sold around 200,000 the first week.
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i dont know how anyone can not think doggystyle is a classic
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its because it was embroiled in massive controversy at the time..
That surely didn't hurt, but I'd attribute it more to the dope ass singles - "Let's Play House" and "NY, NY" were incredible songs. I don't know how well they charted as singles, but I remember seeing both all over MTV back in 95. The music was dope simple and plain, and contrary to popular belief these days, that can actually sell a record moreso than controversy / hype / promotion.
Lets play house, what a greats song
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Dogg Food is a classic to me...
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Doggystyle is without question a classic....If anything, Makaveli is no where near a classic album..a good album nonetheless
Trying to compare CIA to Dogg Food is like trying to compare Doggystyle to R&G....You can't...Different times and different eras...CIA is a very good album for the time we are in. Bacc then you had to either purchase the album or wait for a DJ to play cuts off the album before it was released in order to hear it. People bought albums bacc in 95. You didn't have the luxury of the internet, yousendit, megaupload, and rapidshare. The internet was there in 95 but it was not as wide spread as it is today where almost everyone is connected to the web someway somehow, so you can't compare Dogg Food to CIA.
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classic... lets play house was a dope track, come on now...
IM STILL BUMPING MY MUSIC
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Classic! i dont give a fuck what anyone else says...And i dont care how much controversey there was. Nobody really knows why it sold, thats all specualtion and opinion. Bottom Line it sold 2X platinum and its a great cd. Fire Lyrics up and down! Wow Kurupt killed that whole cd.
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IMO its not a true classic.. its just an older decent album...
Opinions vary and that's a good thing... 8)
When I first popped it in my CD player and Dogg Pound Gangstaz came on that was it, I already knew right then that this album was gonna be a classic (at least to me) but I remember some of my friends at that time weren't really feeling it because of the beats they were expecting songs produced by Dre... Didn't really bother me though, Daz was already in my top 5 of favourite producers at that time...
Opinions may vary, but "classic status" ain't an opinion, it's earned.
Face it...who else besides you and the other cats from DubCC are bumping this album today? Do you think anyone remembers "Let's Play House" or "NY, NY" the way that they remember "Nuthin But A G Thang" or "Gin and Juice"? Of course not...because "Dogg Food" ain't no classic. It's an excellent album, IMO, but that don't make it a classic automatically.
West Coast fans have a tendency to call any album they like a classic. That's just not the way it works. I have the impression most of y'all are 15-year olds who probably heard the album for the first time only like 2 years ago (if that) anyway. But y'all gotta learn - if an album doesn't stand the test of time, it doesn't deserve "classic" status.
If you're the only person you know (again, besides other West Coast fans) bumping "Dogg Food" after 10 years, then your opinion doesn't seem to hold up.
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dogg food aint no classic....doggystyle, chronic, 2001, all eyez on me are classics...
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It did far better than "Cali Iz Active", if that's what you're wondering. I don't remember exact numbers, but "Dogg Food" is certified 2x Platinum, so it must have sold pretty well in its first week, considering that it produced almost no big hits on the charts.
Right
Some of YOU act like East Coast fans.
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Dogg Food is a classic to me...
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Illamatic, Makaveli, Paid in Full, The Chronic, Ready to Die, those are classics.
Dogg Food, Doggystyle, the Predator, those a great albums that have great replay value. People forget the difference.
Doggystyle NOT a classic?!!
you heard right... listen to Snoops lyrics, and tell me his flow didn't hide most of his weakness. He had classic singles off that CD.
im investigating this claim
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Dogg Food is a classic to me...
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Dogg Food is a classic to me...
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I don't really remember much promotion for Dogg Food. I remember Dre mentioning it at an award show, and I saw a tv commercial a few times. I had no idea about the contraversy around it (because I was only 13 at the time). But I picked it up and it was dope. It never hit #1 on Rapcity (in Canada) because of that god damn Blahzay Blahzay song
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doggfood is a clasic. fo sho
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IMO its not a true classic.. its just an older decent album...
Opinions vary and that's a good thing... 8)
When I first popped it in my CD player and Dogg Pound Gangstaz came on that was it, I already knew right then that this album was gonna be a classic (at least to me) but I remember some of my friends at that time weren't really feeling it because of the beats they were expecting songs produced by Dre... Didn't really bother me though, Daz was already in my top 5 of favourite producers at that time...
Opinions may vary, but "classic status" ain't an opinion, it's earned.
Face it...who else besides you and the other cats from DubCC are bumping this album today? Do you think anyone remembers "Let's Play House" or "NY, NY" the way that they remember "Nuthin But A G Thang" or "Gin and Juice"? Of course not...because "Dogg Food" ain't no classic. It's an excellent album, IMO, but that don't make it a classic automatically.
West Coast fans have a tendency to call any album they like a classic. That's just not the way it works. I have the impression most of y'all are 15-year olds who probably heard the album for the first time only like 2 years ago (if that) anyway. But y'all gotta learn - if an album doesn't stand the test of time, it doesn't deserve "classic" status.
If you're the only person you know (again, besides other West Coast fans) bumping "Dogg Food" after 10 years, then your opinion doesn't seem to hold up.
What are u talking about? You dont know who is bumping it and who isnt? And Dogg Food does stand the test of time..
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What are u talking about? You dont know who is bumping it and who isnt? And Dogg Food does stand the test of time..
I work on a college campus, I have satellite radio, and lots of my friends, colleagues, etc. are cats in their late-20s' and early-30s' who grew up in the 90s' listening to hip-hop.
It's common sense, homie. Ask almost anyone on the street who DPG is and they wouldn't know who the fuck you're talking about. The "Cali Iz Active" sales don't lie...almost nobody outside of the most hardcore West fans give a fuck about them. Knowing that, what would possibly make you think there's a lot of people bumping "Dogg Food"?
If the album stood the test of time, then more people would know Daz and Kurupt the way they know Snoop, Pac, or Dre. But obviously, they don't.
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What are u talking about? You dont know who is bumping it and who isnt? And Dogg Food does stand the test of time..
I work on a college campus, I have satellite radio, and lots of my friends, colleagues, etc. are cats in their late-20s' and early-30s' who grew up in the 90s' listening to hip-hop.
It's common sense, homie. Ask almost anyone on the street who DPG is and they wouldn't know who the fuck you're talking about. The "Cali Iz Active" sales don't lie...almost nobody outside of the most hardcore West fans give a fuck about them. Knowing that, what would possibly make you think there's a lot of people bumping "Dogg Food"?
If the album stood the test of time, then more people would know Daz and Kurupt the way they know Snoop, Pac, or Dre. But obviously, they don't.
well i don't know if i could agree with you or not because alot of people i know, know who DPG is, and alot of cats still listen to them, maybe not as much these days, but 2 or 3 threes back yeah. but i haven't spent too much time on the eastcoast jus to visit, so i would conduct a survey asking people whether or not they know who the dogg pound is. have you i mean , its pretty gutsy so say something like that if you don't know the truth.
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What are u talking about? You dont know who is bumping it and who isnt? And Dogg Food does stand the test of time..
I work on a college campus, I have satellite radio, and lots of my friends, colleagues, etc. are cats in their late-20s' and early-30s' who grew up in the 90s' listening to hip-hop.
It's common sense, homie. Ask almost anyone on the street who DPG is and they wouldn't know who the fuck you're talking about. The "Cali Iz Active" sales don't lie...almost nobody outside of the most hardcore West fans give a fuck about them. Knowing that, what would possibly make you think there's a lot of people bumping "Dogg Food"?
If the album stood the test of time, then more people would know Daz and Kurupt the way they know Snoop, Pac, or Dre. But obviously, they don't.
well i don't know if i could agree with you or not because alot of people i know, know who DPG is, and alot of cats still listen to them, maybe not as much these days, but 2 or 3 threes back yeah. but i haven't spent too much time on the eastcoast jus to visit, so i would conduct a survey asking people whether or not they know who the dogg pound is. have you i mean , its pretty gutsy so say something like that if you don't know the truth.
If they didnt know who they were before, they knew after Kurupt spit New York New York. I know At least NEW YORK heard that!
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What are u talking about? You dont know who is bumping it and who isnt? And Dogg Food does stand the test of time..
I work on a college campus, I have satellite radio, and lots of my friends, colleagues, etc. are cats in their late-20s' and early-30s' who grew up in the 90s' listening to hip-hop.
It's common sense, homie. Ask almost anyone on the street who DPG is and they wouldn't know who the fuck you're talking about. The "Cali Iz Active" sales don't lie...almost nobody outside of the most hardcore West fans give a fuck about them. Knowing that, what would possibly make you think there's a lot of people bumping "Dogg Food"?
If the album stood the test of time, then more people would know Daz and Kurupt the way they know Snoop, Pac, or Dre. But obviously, they don't.
i could actually agree with u on this.
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well i don't know if i could agree with you or not because alot of people i know, know who DPG is, and alot of cats still listen to them, maybe not as much these days, but 2 or 3 threes back yeah. but i haven't spent too much time on the eastcoast jus to visit, so i would conduct a survey asking people whether or not they know who the dogg pound is. have you i mean , its pretty gutsy so say something like that if you don't know the truth.
People YOU know. Who are these people you know? I am talking about the average cat who listens mostly to what's in the mainstream and maybe a little bit of the more revered alternative hip-hop (i.e. Talib or Common). As I have said, honestly, how many of these sorts of people do you think bump "Dogg Food" these days? If you go into a club or a bar these days, what is the chance you're going to hear the DJ spin "Let's Play House" instead of "Gin and Juice"? Pretty much nil, right? I don't need a survey to tell me the answer...it is common sense. And neither should you, if you have no bias.
I think the bottom line is this...a "classic" album isn't just an album you think is good, it's an album that changed the game in some way or another. "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" both represent hip-hop landmarks cause they're the albums that started the G-Funk movement and the beginning of gangsta rap's rise to mainstream prominence, plus they announced the arrival of Snoop Dogg, one of hip-hop's biggest stars. "Dogg Food" didn't do nothing except follow the trail those albums had already laid, largely by following the same formula. It may have had good production and Kurupt's ill rhymes, but did it really change the game, and did it really make Kurupt and Daz into household names the way "Doggystyle" made Snoop a household name? Of course not.
Case closed.
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well i don't know if i could agree with you or not because alot of people i know, know who DPG is, and alot of cats still listen to them, maybe not as much these days, but 2 or 3 threes back yeah. but i haven't spent too much time on the eastcoast jus to visit, so i would conduct a survey asking people whether or not they know who the dogg pound is. have you i mean , its pretty gutsy so say something like that if you don't know the truth.
People YOU know. Who are these people you know? I am talking about the average cat who listens mostly to what's in the mainstream and maybe a little bit of the more revered alternative hip-hop (i.e. Talib or Common). As I have said, honestly, how many of these sorts of people do you think bump "Dogg Food" these days? If you go into a club or a bar these days, what is the chance you're going to hear the DJ spin "Let's Play House" instead of "Gin and Juice"? Pretty much nil, right? I don't need a survey to tell me the answer...it is common sense. And neither should you, if you have no bias.
I think the bottom line is this...a "classic" album isn't just an album you think is good, it's an album that changed the game in some way or another. "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" both represent hip-hop landmarks cause they're the albums that started the G-Funk movement and the beginning of gangsta rap's rise to mainstream prominence, plus they announced the arrival of Snoop Dogg, one of hip-hop's biggest stars. "Dogg Food" didn't do nothing except follow the trail those albums had already laid, largely by following the same formula. It may have had good production and Kurupt's ill rhymes, but did it really change the game, and did it really make Kurupt and Daz into household names the way "Doggystyle" made Snoop a household name? Of course not.
Case closed.
Well how would you define who the average cat is? does the average cat, just listen to radio? some or little hip hop? sounds like the average white cat to me, and like i said out of all the people that I KNOW, know exactly who DPG is, whether or not they listen to them right now or not.
It's common sense, homie. Ask almost anyone on the street who DPG is and they wouldn't know who the fuck you're talking about.
Thats the point i was making responding to what you said ^^
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back in the day practicly anything that came out on deathrow was move units. Plus all the tracks daz and kurupt were featured on for the chronic and doggystyle had to help promote them. i dont think a single's success always tells how many units an album will push
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Well how would you define who the average cat is? does the average cat, just listen to radio? some or little hip hop? sounds like the average white cat to me, and like i said out of all the people that I KNOW, know exactly who DPG is, whether or not they listen to them right now or not.
I DID define the "average cat", read it again.
The people you know clearly aren't average cats.
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well i don't know if i could agree with you or not because alot of people i know, know who DPG is, and alot of cats still listen to them, maybe not as much these days, but 2 or 3 threes back yeah. but i haven't spent too much time on the eastcoast jus to visit, so i would conduct a survey asking people whether or not they know who the dogg pound is. have you i mean , its pretty gutsy so say something like that if you don't know the truth.
People YOU know. Who are these people you know? I am talking about the average cat who listens mostly to what's in the mainstream and maybe a little bit of the more revered alternative hip-hop (i.e. Talib or Common). As I have said, honestly, how many of these sorts of people do you think bump "Dogg Food" these days? If you go into a club or a bar these days, what is the chance you're going to hear the DJ spin "Let's Play House" instead of "Gin and Juice"? Pretty much nil, right? I don't need a survey to tell me the answer...it is common sense. And neither should you, if you have no bias.
I think the bottom line is this...a "classic" album isn't just an album you think is good, it's an album that changed the game in some way or another. "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" both represent hip-hop landmarks cause they're the albums that started the G-Funk movement and the beginning of gangsta rap's rise to mainstream prominence, plus they announced the arrival of Snoop Dogg, one of hip-hop's biggest stars. "Dogg Food" didn't do nothing except follow the trail those albums had already laid, largely by following the same formula. It may have had good production and Kurupt's ill rhymes, but did it really change the game, and did it really make Kurupt and Daz into household names the way "Doggystyle" made Snoop a household name? Of course not.
Case closed.
finally the classic albums debate ethered..
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Very good CD :o
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i dont know how anyone can not think doggystyle is a classic
b/c lyrically its trash. But everything else on the album is so strong that it hides it.
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i dont know how anyone can not think doggystyle is a classic
b/c lyrically its trash. But everything else on the album is so strong that it hides it.
How is it trash lyrically? Because there is no punchlines? No lines rhyming the same over twice? Storytelling on that album is top notch . Lodi Dodi and Murder Was the Case are two CLASSIC storytelling tracks. Some of the best in hip hop history. If telling a story in a track as good as he did on those two songs are not considered lyrical I dunno what is.
Plus other aspects of MCing.... like flow, mic presence, breath control, and being perfectly clear when saying your raps is on point on that album.
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i dont know how anyone can not think doggystyle is a classic
b/c lyrically its trash. But everything else on the album is so strong that it hides it.
How is it trash lyrically? Because there is no punchlines? No lines rhyming the same over twice? Storytelling on that album is top notch . Lodi Dodi and Murder Was the Case are two CLASSIC storytelling tracks. Some of the best in hip hop history. If telling a story in a track as good as he did on those two songs are not considered lyrical I dunno what is.
Plus other aspects of MCing.... like flow, mic presence, breath control, and being perfectly clear when saying your raps is on point on that album.
Lodi Dodi was stolen tho. dont forget that. he didnt really tell that story, he just changed some words to make it 'his'
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i dont know how anyone can not think doggystyle is a classic
b/c lyrically its trash. But everything else on the album is so strong that it hides it.
How is it trash lyrically? Because there is no punchlines? No lines rhyming the same over twice? Storytelling on that album is top notch . Lodi Dodi and Murder Was the Case are two CLASSIC storytelling tracks. Some of the best in hip hop history. If telling a story in a track as good as he did on those two songs are not considered lyrical I dunno what is.
Plus other aspects of MCing.... like flow, mic presence, breath control, and being perfectly clear when saying your raps is on point on that album.
Lodi Dodi was stolen tho. dont forget that. he didnt really tell that story, he just changed some words to make it 'his'
yeah like 2 words lol