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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Detox Iz Not Active on August 28, 2006, 07:03:51 AM
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1. Invincible - $17 million ($17 million)
2. Talladega Nights - $8 million ($127.6 million)
3. Little Miss Sunshine - $7.5 million ($23 million)
4. Beerfest - $6.5 million ($6.5 million)
5. Accepted - $6.4 million ($21.1 million)
6. World Trade Center - $6.3 million ($55.5 million)
7. Step Up - $6.1 million ($50.4 million)
8. Idlewild - $5.89 million ($5.89 million)
9. Snakes on a Plane - $5.86 million ($26 million)
10. Barnyard - $5.4 million ($54.7 million)
there must of been at elast 6 million spent on the promotion for that film
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Considering I would guess that its not the sort of film which would have major mainstream appeal (I haven't read anything about it to know what its about) , those numbers aren't too bad. Surely its only going to be Outkast fans who are going to want to watch the film anyway?
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Considering I would guess that its not the sort of film which would have major mainstream appeal (I haven't read anything about it to know what its about) , those numbers aren't too bad. Surely its only going to be Outkast fans who are going to want to watch the film anyway?
not really, considering that there were commercials for that shit ALL the time and ads for it everywhere it was appealing to the hip hop audience not just kast fans
LMAO @ Beerfest beating Idlewild, promos for Beefest didn't really start till a week before while Idlewild promos started months ago
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Dun make it a bad film, I'm still going to see it.
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5.7 on IMDB right now... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417225/
comment: music/dancing - brilliant. plot - not so great.
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Damn, Snakes On A Plane is dropping fast...
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Maybe you should look up the definition of flop.
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Considering I would guess that its not the sort of film which would have major mainstream appeal (I haven't read anything about it to know what its about) , those numbers aren't too bad. Surely its only going to be Outkast fans who are going to want to watch the film anyway?
not really, considering that there were commercials for that shit ALL the time and ads for it everywhere it was appealing to the hip hop audience not just kast fans
LMAO @ Beerfest beating Idlewild, promos for Beefest didn't really start till a week before while Idlewild promos started months ago
ive been seeing beerfest shit for like 3 months. anyways beerfest was funny as hell. one of the funniest movies ive seen in a while. and it wasnt just me the whole theatre was rolling and clapped at the end.
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Maybe you should look up the definition of flop.
It flopped.
The commericials didn't show much.
Trailer looks nice.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/idlewild/large.html
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Its because no white people wants to see a musical involving all black people. Great movie by the way it was well worth paying $8 to see at the movies. Im downloading the movie to my comp now too.
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Its because no white people wants to see a musical involving all black people.
What a stupid statement.
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Its because no white people wants to see a musical involving all black people.
What a stupid statement.
Generally speaking, that is true. Most movies that feature all black characters and that were made by black directors/producers/screenwriters don't do too well. Movies like "Boyz N The Hood" are a rare exception. White people love anything gangsta, but pretty much any black movie that feels too "urban", they won't see. How many black romantic comedies, for example (think "Deliver Us From Eva"), manage to cross over to white audiences and earn serious $$$$?
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Its because no white people wants to see a musical involving all black people.
What a stupid statement.
Generally speaking, that is true. Most movies that feature all black characters and that were made by black directors/producers/screenwriters don't do too well. Movies like "Boyz N The Hood" are a rare exception. White people love anything gangsta, but pretty much any black movie that feels too "urban", they won't see.
I don't think its black/white thing, more than its a lifestyle thing. For instance a lot of my friends who don't listen to hiphop and are quite insular to their own white way of life, not knowing about other cultures and such, don't find black comedians such as Dave Chappelle funny because they don't understand all the references in his sketches and standup routines. No-one is going to go see a movie they know they won't enjoy, just for the same reason as I wouldn't go to see a romantic comedy or a documentary film about the Womens Institute.
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I don't think its black/white thing, more than its a lifestyle thing. For instance a lot of my friends who don't listen to hiphop and are quite insular to their own white way of life, not knowing about other cultures and such, don't find black comedians such as Dave Chappelle funny because they don't understand all the references in his sketches and standup routines. No-one is going to go see a movie they know they won't enjoy, just for the same reason as I wouldn't go to see a romantic comedy or a documentary film about the Womens Institute.
That is a TERRIBLE fucking example. White people LOVE Dave Chappelle, both from his show and from "Half-Baked", and if you don't recognize that you must be loc'd the fuck out, dun. Even white grandmas are still saying "I'm Rick James, bitch!"
I understand that white people (kids especially) don't like urban romances/comedies/dramas cause it ain't shit they can relate to. But it still goes to show how they only find it worth seeing when it's got niggas toting choppers and blowing each other away. It's just like the hip-hop/R&B split - almost every white person I know likes at least a little hip-hop, but almost no white person I know likes any R&B whatsoever. Likewise, plenty of white kids like "gangsta" movies like "Boyz N The Hood" or "Menace II Society", but you'd be hard-pressed to find any that would go see an urban romantic comedy like "Deliver Us From Eva" or "Two Can Play That Game".
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White folks seeing a movie should'nt be the sign of success. There's around 40 million Black people and 40 million Latinos. 80 million people could make any movie a hit. That's how they trap Black/Latino people by making them feel that their audience isnt good enough.
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White folks seeing a movie should'nt be the sign of success. There's around 40 million Black people and 40 million Latinos. 80 million people could make any movie a hit. That's how they trap Black/Latino people by making them feel that their audience isnt good enough.
www.myspace.com/thablaqsinattra
But the margins of people who actually see movies are much smaller than that...you're just being naively idealistic if you think 80 million blacks and eses (or even 10 million) would all go see any movie. Just like you could never expect a large percentage of white people to see something like "Elizabethtown", but the numbers of them are large enough that the overall margin is still bigger. It'll always be ironic to me that the only type of entertainment that brings races together is violent entertainment, but hey, that's good 'ol American culture for ya.
Ah, fuck it, what am I saying...if a movie doesn't have choppers in it, I can't be bothered to see it. Fuck pussy shit.
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Black people stat wise go to the movies more than any group. Often seeing their favorite movie more than once. But they know crap when they see it. Build a good film and they will come. We're tired of "Booty call" type movies. Black writers, directors, producers need to stop jockin' the "painstream". White people are cool, but we have to stop acting like their the be-all and end-all of everything.
www.tagwold.com/thablaqsinattra
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they also said it wasn't showing everywhere
it had the most sales per theater it was shown at
i think once they see how well it did in the ones it did show
they'll open it up in more theaters
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"Idlewild" scored the best per-theater numbers among new wide releases, averaging $6,064 in 973 cinemas, about one-third the locations for "Invincible," which averaged $5,838 in 2,917 theaters, and "Beerfest," which did $2,193 in 2,964 sites.
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I think all these stupid comments about white people not wanting to watch it because it's a black movie is fucking stupid and it pisses me off. I'm white.. so you saying I shouldn't want to watch it because it's a black movie.. that fucking retarded. My mom which is 51 years old and doesn't care for rap/hip-hop and has never heard of Outkast wants to see it.
About not liking R&B that's fucking retarded too.
I think Idlewild is doing well for it's first week and the above post showing it outselling other movies where it played proves it.
I can't wait to see the movie and the 2 music videos from the soundtrack were amazing. I showed the Idlewild Blues one to my mom and she loved it.
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I think all these stupid comments about white people not wanting to watch it because it's a black movie is fucking stupid and it pisses me off. I'm white.. so you saying I shouldn't want to watch it because it's a black movie.. that fucking retarded. My mom which is 51 years old and doesn't care for rap/hip-hop and has never heard of Outkast wants to see it.
About not liking R&B that's fucking retarded too.
Ain't nobody saying what you can or can't watch...I'm simply saying that white people in general don't like movies that are "too black". That ain't retarded; it's the truth, dun. You can say all you want about your moms or whatever, but I know what experiences I've had with white people. I went to see "The Honeymooners" on its opening weekend and there were about 10 people there, 9 black and 1 Latino, no whites. When I was in college, I could never take my white girlfriend to see movies like "Love Jones"; she was always insisting we see stuff like "Can't Hardly Wait". And whenever I had white people in my car, they would always get upset if I played Jodeci or Montell Jordan, but not Snoop Dogg or 2Pac.
So play retarded all you want, but I've had enough experiences with white people's tastes that I know they don't like anything they perceive as "too black".
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Stop making crap excuses, not everyone is like that.
And as if no white people like Marvin Gaye, Barry White ect ect.
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Stop making crap excuses, not everyone is like that.
And as if no white people like Marvin Gaye, Barry White ect ect.
Everyone? No, but the majority of white people are like that.
The 70s was different cause that was before everything became more "urban".
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It ain't about black or white or any of that shit. Plain and simple that movie looks fuckin wack. I'll check it on DVD, but that's it. I'm not paying to see it and here's why:
Outkast is alienating their fanbase with a movie like this about an era most of Kast's fanbase doesn't give a damn about. If you're a hip-hop group and you're gonna do a musical revolving around the 30's and you expect it NOT to flop? Wishful thinking.
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It ain't about black or white or any of that shit. Plain and simple that movie looks fuckin wack. I'll check it on DVD, but that's it. I'm not paying to see it and here's why:
Outkast is alienating their fanbase with a movie like this about an era most of Kast's fanbase doesn't give a damn about. If you're a hip-hop group and you're gonna do a musical revolving around the 30's and you expect it NOT to flop? Wishful thinking.
True shit. I'm an Outkast fan, but I have very little interest in this movie. It looks fuckin retarded.
White folks seeing a movie should'nt be the sign of success. There's around 40 million Black people and 40 million Latinos. 80 million people could make any movie a hit. That's how they trap Black/Latino people by making them feel that their audience isnt good enough.
www.myspace.com/thablaqsinattra
Don't waste your time. In Bumpydick's delusional world its always somebody else's (read whitey) fault when anything is shitty. It's really funny to hear him denounce your fact that there's 80 million blacks / latinos that could splurge $10 and would have trounced every other flick out there. I think deep down he's actually a self loathing nerd who's ashamed of his race. His response to what you posted proves he has ZERO faith in his race to step up to the plate and support each other. But this is still somehow white people's fault.
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all i know is i hate the new big boi single (they should stop calling each other outkast ) that one that goes 'hey baby" , it's one of those songs that makes you think about barney and ghallger for some reason, fuck the hook too it's annoying.
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why are idiots bringing race into the reason why the movie flop big time
the was bad and it showed, move on
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Don't waste your time. In Bumpydick's delusional world its always somebody else's (read whitey) fault when anything is shitty. It's really funny to hear him denounce your fact that there's 80 million blacks / latinos that could splurge $10 and would have trounced every other flick out there. I think deep down he's actually a self loathing nerd who's ashamed of his race. His response to what you posted proves he has ZERO faith in his race to step up to the plate and support each other. But this is still somehow white people's fault.
Do you realize how you're talking?
Is Bumpy Johnson gonna have to buck a devil? Grab the chopper outta the trunk, load up the drum, and buck a pussy devil?
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Don't waste your time. In Bumpydick's delusional world its always somebody else's (read whitey) fault when anything is shitty. It's really funny to hear him denounce your fact that there's 80 million blacks / latinos that could splurge $10 and would have trounced every other flick out there. I think deep down he's actually a self loathing nerd who's ashamed of his race. His response to what you posted proves he has ZERO faith in his race to step up to the plate and support each other. But this is still somehow white people's fault.
Do you realize how you're talking?
Is Bumpy Johnson gonna have to buck a devil? Grab the chopper outta the trunk, load up the drum, and buck a pussy devil?
I liked your post a lot more before you editted it.
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I liked your post a lot more before you editted it.
I liked you a lot more before you started talking like a house nigga.
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Its because no white people wants to see a musical involving all black people.
What a stupid statement.
Generally speaking, that is true. Most movies that feature all black characters and that were made by black directors/producers/screenwriters don't do too well. Movies like "Boyz N The Hood" are a rare exception. White people love anything gangsta, but pretty much any black movie that feels too "urban", they won't see. How many black romantic comedies, for example (think "Deliver Us From Eva"), manage to cross over to white audiences and earn serious $$$$?
Well lets look at TV. The Jeffersons averaged between 15 and 18 million viewers an episode over the course of 11 seasons. The top dram and comedy on TV CSI and Desperate Housewives this year average 20 million and 17 million viewers respectively. The Cosby Show was number 1 with 30 million viewers a week for 3 years straight and 5 years at number 1 in total. White people will watch all or mostly black casts if the content proves successful. In films black stars can drive big filmss like Will Smith or Eddy Murphy have in recent eras, or Poitier in past eras. Generally white people will tend to stick closer to white films, and even white artists in music, but I'll bet my life if you did a pole on black households in America you'd find that the top grossing movies among blacks and the best selling albums were way more black films and black artists than the rest of America. I will admit that the racism in Hollywood has been far more apparent than in music as far as what kind of black films and how many are released. It's very rare to find black directors making big budget films and when they do they are almost alwaya "black" films that end up stereotyping their own people or using way too many negative images. Hollywood never had anything like MoTown. The Blaxploitation films were far more demeaning to the black heroes rather than the whites and italians that were made fun of in them.
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^^^^^^ Yet another person who, like Jrome The Nerd, thinks I'm talking about racism when I'm simply talking about whites not being able to relate to "black" movies.
All of the shows/movies you've mentioned are exceptions. I see enough "black" movies and listen to enough "black" music besides hip-hop to know who their biggest audiences are, and white people are a nearly invisible fraction of it.
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^^^^^^ Yet another person who, like Jrome The Nerd, thinks I'm talking about racism when I'm simply talking about whites not being able to relate to "black" movies.
All of the shows/movies you've mentioned are exceptions. I see enough "black" movies and listen to enough "black" music besides hip-hop to know who their biggest audiences are, and white people are a nearly invisible fraction of it.
I never said you were calling whites racist or blacks racist. I was just stating that people tend to indentify more with those that seem like them. And they weren't just exceptions. Around the time Jeffersons started, Flip Wilson's show and Sanford and Son were both huge ratings winners. Over the years Good Times, What's Happening, A Different World, Family Matters, Fresh Prince etc had all been hits. The problem wasn't white people relating it was white people getting the chance to see, and quality black shows being made a released. A lot of that cookie cutter shit that flops on UPN and shows like that new Damon Wayans show fail for the same reason so many white comedies fail; because they a text book and they suck.
The racism does exist though. How many mostly black dramas can you think of in the last 20 years? I've read reports that state whites aren't interested in serious back shows because they can't relate but seriously, how many have ever been given the chance to fail? They aren't even being brought out. New York Undercover did okay with certain demographics and no other shows were really pushed. You do see a lot more blacks as major characters of shows but while you see so many almost all white shows you see almost no all or mostly black dramas. Shit, look at Roots; it was a massive hit averaging 80 million viewers a show and a finale that was the highest rated episode ever for a show until Mash's finale and is still the 3rd highest with over 100 million viewers. The sequel didn't do as well but still very well, yet no other black dramas were really pushed after that. If that's not racism then nothing is. A show about black slaves depicted as heroes fighting against the white enemy could get all these white people to watch yet people want to tell me whites won't watch if they can't relate. I won't buy that. Roots succeeded because it was good and ratings grew as the miniseries went on, and everyone at ABC feared it would flop before it was released, but because of quality it succeeded. If TV networks put out back shows that were amazing shows they'd succeed. Of course Networks can't even find hits with white shows these days so I wouldn't hold my breath.
As for music, 60% to 70% of hip hop sales come from whites, and go to any Blues concert by a big name guy like BB King and take a look at the crowd; mostly white faces.