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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Brown Guy on September 14, 2006, 01:49:13 PM
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Big Snoop Dogg's State Of The Union Address To The Artists Of The New West! (Exclusive Video)
September 14, 2006 by Styles
What can you say about The Wild Wild West? At times it can be the craziest place on the planet. With some rumblings going on from some of the New West artists about the OG's not helping them out and rumblings from some of the OG West Coast artists about not being respected by the younger generation, The big Boss Dogg wanted to speak a few words to everybody and get a hold of the situation.
This is in video so go ahead and download and watch. Its not a big file and Big Snoop gets right to the point. Without saying too much, I'mma just let you watch and hear Dogg's words for yourselves.
http://www.westcoastrydaz.com/features/video/snoop_dogg_addresses_the_new_west.wmv (http://www.westcoastrydaz.com/features/video/snoop_dogg_addresses_the_new_west.wmv)
A big shout out goes to Snoop Dogg for taking the time to do this for everybody. Lets all win for the West Coast...
Styles
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YO I THINK HE IS GETTIN' AT THEM B&N DUDES FOR WHAT THEY WAS SAYIN' GAME VS. 100, AND SNOOP AND GAME ALL WAYS KICKIN IT. I DUNNO...... PROPZ ON THE VID THOUGH....
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crazy ...Snoop really is Da Boss!....Westcoast, Stand UP! 8)
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
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snoops talking as if we're his kids with his lecturing shit..
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that lil nigga is a clown. i wish dre would son that fag.
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
Although I love what the New West is bringing to the table musically, I have to agree 100% with you bro. If they were smart, they'd get on Snoop's good side.
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
exactly.
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
Aftermath knew who Bishop Lamont is, Sony wouldn't have thrown $1.7 million at G. Malone if he was a "nobody". Problem is gettin attention from labels from his buzz, same with Ya Boy and Clyde Carson are growing with their appearances in The Source.
The point is that the "old west" is jealous because skillwise a lot of the newer cats are better, and they are taking advantage of mixtapes and creating their own buzz. The end result is that the new west artists see people like Jay-Z and Snoop, and instead of hating on them and being jealous of them, they model themselves after them and become business men. The only relevant thing Snoop said in that video is "Respect those who paved the way for you". These new artists are doing that by showing them love, however some of these older rappers need to hang up the mic and allow the youngsters to get their shine. 2pac said it best:
All you old rappers trying to advance
It's all over now, take it like a man
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
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more drama
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
yep, the new west NEEDS the old west, not the other way around.
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New West already lost... nobody outside the internet knows who the fuck anyone "new" on the West Coast is
and that's more than the truth
Aftermath knew who Bishop Lamont is, Sony wouldn't have thrown $1.7 million at G. Malone if he was a "nobody". Problem is gettin attention from labels from his buzz, same with Ya Boy and Clyde Carson are growing with their appearances in The Source.
The point is that the "old west" is jealous because skillwise a lot of the newer cats are better, and they are taking advantage of mixtapes and creating their own buzz. The end result is that the new west artists see people like Jay-Z and Snoop, and instead of hating on them and being jealous of them, they model themselves after them and become business men. The only relevant thing Snoop said in that video is "Respect those who paved the way for you". These new artists are doing that by showing them love, however some of these older rappers need to hang up the mic and allow the youngsters to get their shine. 2pac said it best:
All you old rappers trying to advance
It's all over now, take it like a man
just lyric wise don't mean shit to me...it's being able to perform and rock the crowd..that's all i care.
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Hmm....doesn't sound like he was sayin anything negative to them.
As far as the main cats who rep the "New West", they all respect Snoop and vice versa....and they've been in videos with him and all else. So if anbody, he's probably talkin to the cats who aren't even signed to any major companies.
And just to let it be known....without sayin any names, there are actually a few young ass rappers around L.A. who don't respect Snoop anywhere near as much as they should. I remember when 213 was about to come out, and one of the youngsters who may or may not be under the "New West" title was talkin bout "fuck no I ain't buyin that shit, it's gonna be wack. Snoop ain't even dope anymore, he needs to hang it up" and for a non-rapper to talk that's cool....but for somebody who might even have to go under Snoop or Snoop's affiliates to be talkin at that level, that's hella disrespectful. And believe me, there are many young L.A. rappers who give WAY MORE props to Jay-Z and Biggie than they do to Ice Cube and Snoop, which is damn near blasphemy in my opinion.
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
the reason why they moving up is the hip hop is confuse...i think everyone is confuse of where hip hop needs to go.
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
the reason why they moving up is the hip hop is confuse...i think everyone is confuse of where hip hop needs to go.
It's space for it to go in all different kinds of directions. I am sure they asked the same thing in 93 where everybody was on a different tip...some gangsta, some comical, some straight party, some conscious, some underground soundin, some crossover R&B soundin. I think it's space for everything, even the snap music that will get laughed at in ten years.
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I seeb wht Snoop's saying. But everybody saying the New West lost is talking kinda crazy in my opinion. It don't have to be one against the other, of course the old west has the upper hand,, they have the fame & noteriety. Let's start thinking bigger and get out of that one must fail for the other to suceed mentality!
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in my opinion....they should do a compilation!...with the whole west coast in it, its not that hard to do...fuck a crew or New West old west bulllshit get together and put out some Good music R-Tistic I know u can work on something...u need to show them whats up
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Hmm....doesn't sound like he was sayin anything negative to them.
As far as the main cats who rep the "New West", they all respect Snoop and vice versa....and they've been in videos with him and all else. So if anbody, he's probably talkin to the cats who aren't even signed to any major companies.
And just to let it be known....without sayin any names, there are actually a few young ass rappers around L.A. who don't respect Snoop anywhere near as much as they should. I remember when 213 was about to come out, and one of the youngsters who may or may not be under the "New West" title was talkin bout "fuck no I ain't buyin that shit, it's gonna be wack. Snoop ain't even dope anymore, he needs to hang it up" and for a non-rapper to talk that's cool....but for somebody who might even have to go under Snoop or Snoop's affiliates to be talkin at that level, that's hella disrespectful. And believe me, there are many young L.A. rappers who give WAY MORE props to Jay-Z and Biggie than they do to Ice Cube and Snoop, which is damn near blasphemy in my opinion.
names nigga. start droppin names like 50
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
I'm not being a hater. I'm being real. Most of the people in this forum live in the past, and it's very apparent. If you need proof, look at the topics in this forum. Notice how there are only a handful of topics about artists that have come out within the last couple years. Everything else is Snoop this, Daz that, Cube this, Kurupt that, quik this, Ras Kass that, etc. Those guys have been around for over 15 years and it just seems repetative to talk about them when a good 70-80% have fallen off hard. Not to mention with all the new talent in the west, true west coast fans should be giving them a chance by listening to them and making posts about the newer cats. Building a buzz for these new artists will help get them signed and noticed by major labels, like with Bishop Lamont/Aftermath, Roccett/Jeezy's label, and G.Malone/Sony. These guys are the ones that really need the attention so they can build a fan base so that they can sell records/mixtapes. Snoop, Quik, Cube, etc. didn't have a huge fan base from the first day they picked up a mic (although with some of the Snoop fanatics on this board they might argue this), they built their reputations through mixtapes to get noticed. Older west coast cats weren't holding them back and trying to steal their shine. The vets on the west coast shouldn't be trying to draw attention to themselves. I'm gonna post the Pac quote again because it's relevant to some west coast artists that just don't know when to call it quits.
"All you old rappers tryin' to advance,
It's all over now, take it like a man"
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
I'm not being a hater. I'm being real. Most of the people in this forum live in the past, and it's very apparent. If you need proof, look at the topics in this forum. Notice how there are only a handful of topics about artists that have come out within the last couple years. Everything else is Snoop this, Daz that, Cube this, Kurupt that, quik this, Ras Kass that, etc. Those guys have been around for over 15 years and it just seems repetative to talk about them when a good 70-80% have fallen off hard. Not to mention with all the new talent in the west, true west coast fans should be giving them a chance by listening to them and making posts about the newer cats. Building a buzz for these new artists will help get them signed and noticed by major labels, like with Bishop Lamont/Aftermath, Roccett/Jeezy's label, and G.Malone/Sony. These guys are the ones that really need the attention so they can build a fan base so that they can sell records/mixtapes. Snoop, Quik, Cube, etc. didn't have a huge fan base from the first day they picked up a mic (although with some of the Snoop fanatics on this board they might argue this), they built their reputations through mixtapes to get noticed. Older west coast cats weren't holding them back and trying to steal their shine. The vets on the west coast shouldn't be trying to draw attention to themselves. I'm gonna post the Pac quote again because it's relevant to some west coast artists that just don't know when to call it quits.
"All you old rappers tryin' to advance,
It's all over now, take it like a man"
I hear what your saying. Real Talk. But it is hard to get into alot of the "new west" material because alot of them do not have deals. We as fans can't get them one. Tech has always been one of my favs, but I am losing patience waiting for a record from him. Crooked I too. Glasses Malone I think is really the only one out of the group that seems to have a deal in place that will allow him to drop something. Maybe the old west needs to help put these rappers on, but people are acting like they have all the money. Yes they do have deals for themselves, but only a handful actually made any profit to do that. Hell you got Snoop putting Eiht and Kam out. I think everyone just needs to focus on the music instead of worrying what Snoop thinks or WC or complaining because I am new to the game. But defintely all this sly talking and arguing ain't puttin the west back on top. Hell start indie for a while a build a buzz up that way. At least it is a venue to get your music heard.
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I like that idea of a compilation Hercy said. The closet thing we had to 1 was Crazy Toones mixtape. Make it like a double album and pair west coast mcs young and old. Like that Ant Banks Big Thangs compilation with the Bay and SC. Get all wc producers on it and just let them bust on it.
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
I'm not being a hater. I'm being real. Most of the people in this forum live in the past, and it's very apparent. If you need proof, look at the topics in this forum. Notice how there are only a handful of topics about artists that have come out within the last couple years. Everything else is Snoop this, Daz that, Cube this, Kurupt that, quik this, Ras Kass that, etc. Those guys have been around for over 15 years and it just seems repetative to talk about them when a good 70-80% have fallen off hard. Not to mention with all the new talent in the west, true west coast fans should be giving them a chance by listening to them and making posts about the newer cats. Building a buzz for these new artists will help get them signed and noticed by major labels, like with Bishop Lamont/Aftermath, Roccett/Jeezy's label, and G.Malone/Sony. These guys are the ones that really need the attention so they can build a fan base so that they can sell records/mixtapes. Snoop, Quik, Cube, etc. didn't have a huge fan base from the first day they picked up a mic (although with some of the Snoop fanatics on this board they might argue this), they built their reputations through mixtapes to get noticed. Older west coast cats weren't holding them back and trying to steal their shine. The vets on the west coast shouldn't be trying to draw attention to themselves. I'm gonna post the Pac quote again because it's relevant to some west coast artists that just don't know when to call it quits.
"All you old rappers tryin' to advance,
It's all over now, take it like a man"
I hear what your saying. Real Talk. But it is hard to get into alot of the "new west" material because alot of them do not have deals. We as fans can't get them one. Tech has always been one of my favs, but I am losing patience waiting for a record from him. Crooked I too. Glasses Malone I think is really the only one out of the group that seems to have a deal in place that will allow him to drop something. Maybe the old west needs to help put these rappers on, but people are acting like they have all the money. Only a handful actually made any profit to do that. Hell you got Snoop putting Eiht and Kam out. I think everyone just needs to focus on the music instead of worrying what Snoop thinks or WC or complaining because I am new to the game. But defintely all this sly talking and arguing ain't puttin the west back on top.
I agree that the sly talking needs to stop. a REAL western conference needs to take place with all west coast artists, not just those that Snoop chose to reach out to. The thing about the New west people is that they are on their grind with the mixtapes and with issuing tracks to websites like wcrydaz, dubcnn, etc. to get promotion going. And the funny thing, and this is mostly something for fans of east coast rappers, a lot of their best music is on mixtapes. A lot of times you'll hear "why wasn't (fill in the name of a mixtape track) on the album? that song was hot" from fans of artists.
As far as Crooked I and Techniec go, I wouldn't necessarily put them into the New West Category because they've been around for years (Tech on 'Doggfather' and on the Hoo-Bangin' album, and Crook being out since '99). I'm talking about the artists that are hungry and looking to establish their place on the west coast.
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^^^ I most def agree with that. There are alot of ways for artists now to get their music out there but I know alot of them want those label deals. Someone needs to start or help get a west coast based indie label started to help get these albums out there.
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living in 1997 won't help the west move forward...
dude, who the fuck is living in 1997? not me, not anyone else...do you think Snoop makes music like its 1997? Infact, hes prolly one of the only ones whos keeping with the times and creating fresh material. Like it or not, Snoop keeps it moving. Same as people like JayZ, Outkast, Nas ect. those dudes were all making albums in 1997, and still are at the top of their game today. It aint like just cuz Outkast is old they cant make dope music, and at the same time rep Atlanta with all the younger cats. Same thing Snoop is trying to do.
stop being a hater
I'm not being a hater. I'm being real. Most of the people in this forum live in the past, and it's very apparent. If you need proof, look at the topics in this forum. Notice how there are only a handful of topics about artists that have come out within the last couple years. Everything else is Snoop this, Daz that, Cube this, Kurupt that, quik this, Ras Kass that, etc. Those guys have been around for over 15 years and it just seems repetative to talk about them when a good 70-80% have fallen off hard. Not to mention with all the new talent in the west, true west coast fans should be giving them a chance by listening to them and making posts about the newer cats. Building a buzz for these new artists will help get them signed and noticed by major labels, like with Bishop Lamont/Aftermath, Roccett/Jeezy's label, and G.Malone/Sony. These guys are the ones that really need the attention so they can build a fan base so that they can sell records/mixtapes. Snoop, Quik, Cube, etc. didn't have a huge fan base from the first day they picked up a mic (although with some of the Snoop fanatics on this board they might argue this), they built their reputations through mixtapes to get noticed. Older west coast cats weren't holding them back and trying to steal their shine. The vets on the west coast shouldn't be trying to draw attention to themselves. I'm gonna post the Pac quote again because it's relevant to some west coast artists that just don't know when to call it quits.
"All you old rappers tryin' to advance,
It's all over now, take it like a man"
Thats the realest shit ive read here homie real talk
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I'm so sick of that "living in the past" shit
bitch shut the fuck up, ain't nobody living in the past
that's such a cop out in an argument to try to discredit someone else's response
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I'm so sick of that "living in the past" shit
bitch shut the fuck up, ain't nobody living in the past
that's such a cop out in an argument to try to discredit someone else's response
get snoops old wrinkled dick out ya mouth so every1 gotta go through snoop huh Snoop says jump every1 else suppose to say how high ??? I'm all 4 respectin the legends but Fuck the legends if they dont respect you yeah they paved the way 4 alot of catz but in the end your still your own man. Who has Snoop put out anyways??? Soopafly been sittin his ass on the bench for years cali iz active was garbage snoop aint puttin anybody on.
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I'm so sick of that "living in the past" shit
bitch shut the fuck up, ain't nobody living in the past
that's such a cop out in an argument to try to discredit someone else's response
if nobody is living in the past, then why are the majority of the posts on this part of the forum about the same people (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Cube, Quik, tray Deee, etc.) that have been around for over a decade?
Bring some facts to this thread and maybe someone will take you seriously
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I'm so sick of that "living in the past" shit
bitch shut the fuck up, ain't nobody living in the past
that's such a cop out in an argument to try to discredit someone else's response
if nobody is living in the past, then why are the majority of the posts on this part of the forum about the same people (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Cube, Quik, tray Deee, etc.) that have been around for over a decade?
Bring some facts to this thread and maybe someone will take you seriously
good point.
yall wouldn't believe how much simple things like age, looks, dress-style has to do with who people like. and as of now, these rap fans aren't looking to buy a cd from a 34 year old rapper wearing khakis & chucks. fuck what snoop is talkin about, we need techniec, game, crooked i, gmalone, bishop, etc etc etc to come out and hold us down.
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i just think rappers need to stop hyping bullshit...and stop saying "we the best...and fuck others.."
they need to drop their ego..and mind their business.
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Lil Jons bringing the west back together.
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so if I listen to a Quik and Ice Cube cd from '05 and '06 I'm living in the past?
sorry I'm not trying to hop on some "New West" bandwagon where all the artists fuckin suck and have no mic presence or personality
all the "New West" artists are doing is using shit from "the past" you fuckin idiots (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/Themes/dubcc/images/post/cheesy.gif)
and why do people disrespect Crooked I and Techniec so badly by calling them "new", they came in the game recently?
see you guys are dumb, point made
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if nobody is living in the past, then why are the majority of the posts on this part of the forum about the same people (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Cube, Quik, tray Deee, etc.) that have been around for over a decade?
Bring some facts to this thread and maybe someone will take you seriously
you're one to talk, you got Suge Knight in your avatar, boy that's some future shit!
these rap fans aren't looking to buy a cd from a 34 year old rapper wearing khakis & chucks.
what? so now nobody's checking for Snoop Dogg? I coulda sworn you came in this thread to talk about what Snoop had to say
and lol @ "get snoops dick out ur ass", I never once mentioned Snoop in this thread
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"The New West" is wack, all of these New West rappers are old (well, the dope rappers are) Techniec, Crooked I etc...
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if nobody is living in the past, then why are the majority of the posts on this part of the forum about the same people (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Cube, Quik, tray Deee, etc.) that have been around for over a decade?
Bring some facts to this thread and maybe someone will take you seriously
you're one to talk, you got Suge Knight in your avatar, boy that's some future shit!
Suge at least tried to help moved the west forward in 99-03 by introducing new artists (SKG, Crook, Eastwood, Spider Loc, K9J. Valentine) and is now working with an unknown by the name of Warlord. Suge has always been a fan of supporting new artists and promoting them. if he wasn't blackballed, then Crook and Eastwood probably would have been household names.
I never said it wasn't ok to listen to a Cube or Quik or DPG cd, however most of the artists from the early to mid 90's have fallen off hard and people on this forum saying "this shit is hot, fuck the haters" are only inflating their egos.
And how is the "New West" livng in the past? Obviously you've only heard a track here and there that dubcnn posts once in a while from some of these artists otherwise you wouldn't be as biased against them. Like I said earlier,
Bring some facts to this thread and maybe someone will take you seriously
*still waits for west Coa$t to bring something relevant, unbiased, and non-ignorant to this thread*