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Title: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 21, 2006, 01:32:37 PM
Just read a January '05 interview with Kokane and man...it's like cats like him do a million songs with a million cats, all kinds of choruses and verses and bridges and hooks for alot of famous up there ass cats and then when dude wants to drop a solo, he gets like no support from all the big cheeses like dre and snoop that he worked so hard for so his shit look like it's coming out of the swap meet and shit. what the fuck is that? Nate dogg's lucky he's built what he has because a brotha like Koka or butch gets kicked to the curb by the people they slaved for like snoop and dre when it comes to droppin' a solo album... who stuck with kokane? Kurupt....kurupt probably has enough money for himself and his family but a rich motherfucker like snoop dogg should have done koka better in my opinion from what i've gathered. shit is whack.

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: BIGG-A on December 21, 2006, 01:46:39 PM
agree wit what ya sayin. would love to hear a solo from them guys.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Lunatic on December 21, 2006, 06:21:17 PM
yea. sometimes the right hook can make an alright track, really decent. and very few have the talent to do that, and kokane, nate dogg, butch cassidy really do. They should get more credit, and more help from people they've "laboured" for like dre & snoop etc.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 21, 2006, 06:25:24 PM
Kokane is one of the most talented artists, a true artist. I'm glad hes working with Suga Free on their next project. But really, I wouldn't care for a mainstream kokane album, it wouldn't make sense. People are missing out, and he shouldn't have to change his style to meet the demands of the ppl.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Realbiggsteele on December 22, 2006, 08:54:02 AM
Yeah, Kokane is a talented dude, but some people need to get they business in order and do right by people insteada getting paid for hooks, then putting cease and decist on the tracks. its a reason why people dont fuck with certain people
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: ~Lucien~ on December 22, 2006, 09:09:28 AM
there's no market for kokane or butch...
I like them both, they're both tight as fuck but be real!
making an albums cost a lot of money. how many will they sell?
only the real fans... and that won't be gold or platinum album
peace
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 22, 2006, 09:21:40 AM
I'm not saying they have to put a huge push on the album or whatever, but Snoop could have arranged so that a Kokane album that didn't look like it was made for the swap meet got released, you know?

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: XaNdEr on December 22, 2006, 09:50:48 AM
like said b4 me, theres no market, and the industry nowadays only sees dolla bills in their eyes, they dont gave a fuck bout artists or music, just money, seriously, a lotta ppl fuckin up rap, it has been fucked up already for some years now...too bad...
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: R-Tistic on December 22, 2006, 10:37:26 AM
there's no market for kokane or butch...
I like them both, they're both tight as fuck but be real!
making an albums cost a lot of money. how many will they sell?
only the real fans... and that won't be gold or platinum album
peace

That is definitely true though. It's hard to make an album for them to sell. I mean, Nate has proven to be the dopest rap hook singer in history, and people don't even buy his albums that much.

Some artists just have to realize that they can't do it all. Butter tastes good on a roll, but is nasty as fuck by itself...and that's how it is with some of these artists. Not at all saying Kokane, Buth, or Nate are anywhere near wack solo...but they shine brightest on hooks and verses.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 22, 2006, 10:46:24 AM
damn, you have a real good point, but it's so sad. how would you feel someone telling you:" you're butter on the roll homey."

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Slikk_J on December 22, 2006, 03:35:24 PM
I have to disagree with the comments made...

Koakne brought the tension between Snoop and himself.....Hes the one that got all upset and left Dggystle records bitterly...

Soopafly even said that they turned in his album to MCA (or whichever company DS records go through) and it got rejected, so they said ok, lets improve on it, but Kokane had a sook and didn't do this.

Since then Snoop said in his interview not too long ago, that he recnetly patched the relationship between himself and Kokane, and that Kokane releasied how he messed up.

So for Big names not to be on Kokane album...well that was on him...

As far as Kurupt being there for him, at that time, whoever was beefing with Snoop, automatically became Kurupts frind....Like Jayo Felony (who was had small beef with Daz & Kurupt for being on change the game remix when he was beefing with Jay-Z) then once Kurupt went to death row Jay was his cool with him...Same with Kokane...once he left, all of a sudden Kokane and Kurupt were doing an album together that never came through....

But I do agree that Kokane is a talented artist....But at the time you gotta remeber he was all drug fuckked and what not then...

Still Back 2 tha clap was one a my fav albums of the year.....Fingazz did a great job.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 22, 2006, 04:55:12 PM
is fingazz white dr.dre like koka said or what? Shit is funny man, people are always trying to talk about a new dr.dre....game talking about j.r. rotem the white dr.dre...someone else the other day in an interview that jelly roll is a new dre and shit...just mad funny, i would compare storch and battlecat to dre but only withint their styles, dre's scope is just so much bigger.

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: GangstaBoogy on December 22, 2006, 08:15:39 PM
There's too many things stopping Kokane from selling. First of all no one outside of this forum is checking for him. His rapping style is dusgusting. His singing is only liked by fans in Southern California. His name is gonna cause a lot of problems for him. And the songs he makes are just not good. He's best if used for hooks on old school sounding songs.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 22, 2006, 08:44:34 PM
i agree with everything you said except the southern california thing, that's awful specific, you really think only so cal?

damn, that's brutal.

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: XaNdEr on December 23, 2006, 01:00:04 AM
There's too many things stopping Kokane from selling. First of all no one outside of this forum is checking for him. His rapping style is dusgusting. His singing is only liked by fans in Southern California. His name is gonna cause a lot of problems for him. And the songs he makes are just not good. He's best if used for hooks on old school sounding songs.

yeah, that is sadly but true, he is disgusting as a rapper idd, personally i dont like his singin much either, but on snoop albums he was on it wasnt that bad, but i bought a solo album and greatest hits compilation or somthin and well the guest spots make the songs, not kokane himself...and yeah he dont have a big fanbase, i can understand that too, and last of all whenever some friends see me listenin to "kokane" on msn they say somethin bout that name so yeah, that name dont fall well with the mainstream....i dont think he should try to make any more solo albums but instead increase his connections and get on mainstream records and make some money....he deserves that shine

like for example on yayo's album, now he is on buck's song that leaked, hard liquor with game and all that stuff, he shud work with the top rappers
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on December 23, 2006, 02:07:43 AM
hard liquor with game and all that stuff, he shud work with the top rappers

one last time, Hard Liquor had Jelly Roll singing, NOT Kokane lol.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 23, 2006, 02:13:18 AM
There's too many things stopping Kokane from selling. First of all no one outside of this forum is checking for him. His rapping style is dusgusting. His singing is only liked by fans in Southern California. His name is gonna cause a lot of problems for him. And the songs he makes are just not good. He's best if used for hooks on old school sounding songs.

He released one of the best west coast albums of the year man. Painkillers was easy top 5, and my favorite album of the year, better then DA. Kokane has a good ear for the beats, is a real artist, and writes his own stuff. He has a unique style, and isn't the same lame assed rapper. How many rappers are their like the Game, or Xzibit? Tons, their everywhere. Its so f*cking boring. They all sound the same. How many rappers like Kokane? None like him. Hes original. Now maybe you like listening to the same shit over and over, but when you want something real, something original, go with kokane. His flow is unmatched, just check out "Way you do", no artist I can think of can touch that.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 23, 2006, 02:56:55 AM
I don't always feel like that about that, but sometimes I do and I see where you're coming from, Kokane is cool to me too. He's really funky.

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: GangstaBoogy on December 23, 2006, 03:06:20 AM
i agree with everything you said except the southern california thing, that's awful specific, you really think only so cal?

damn, that's brutal.

-T

Not literally, but yeah for the most part. People are drawn to him cuz he's usually on some p-funk type shiet. That's not hot anymore. Like xander said, his best work was singing hooks for Snoop on "The Last Meal". No disrespect to Kokane or nothin, but its true




There's too many things stopping Kokane from selling. First of all no one outside of this forum is checking for him. His rapping style is dusgusting. His singing is only liked by fans in Southern California. His name is gonna cause a lot of problems for him. And the songs he makes are just not good. He's best if used for hooks on old school sounding songs.

He released one of the best west coast albums of the year man. Painkillers was easy top 5, and my favorite album of the year, better then DA. Kokane has a good ear for the beats, is a real artist, and writes his own stuff. He has a unique style, and isn't the same lame assed rapper. How many rappers are their like the Game, or Xzibit? Tons, their everywhere. Its so f*cking boring. They all sound the same. How many rappers like Kokane? None like him. Hes original. Now maybe you like listening to the same shit over and over, but when you want something real, something original, go with kokane. His flow is unmatched, just check out "Way you do", no artist I can think of can touch that.

You and Detox need to grow up real fast. It's almost sad how the two of you can't say anything without either worshiping 50 or hating on Game. I didn't mention him in this thread AT ALL but you still felt the need to throw his name at me.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: XaNdEr on December 23, 2006, 07:46:27 AM

one last time, Hard Liquor had Jelly Roll singing, NOT Kokane lol.

soryr mr. correct-me-if-im-wrong

but there was rumors bout game and kokane recording a song (or 2) together for DA, so yeah, i thought they made this song and just left it off, i guess since he got involved with g-unit (was even talk of him signin to g-unit records) game said no or somthin, i dunno, its all good man, its jelly roll in that case, but the meanin of what i said is clear  :-*
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 23, 2006, 01:17:19 PM
i agree with everything you said except the southern california thing, that's awful specific, you really think only so cal?

damn, that's brutal.

-T

Not literally, but yeah for the most part. People are drawn to him cuz he's usually on some p-funk type shiet. That's not hot anymore. Like xander said, his best work was singing hooks for Snoop on "The Last Meal". No disrespect to Kokane or nothin, but its true




There's too many things stopping Kokane from selling. First of all no one outside of this forum is checking for him. His rapping style is dusgusting. His singing is only liked by fans in Southern California. His name is gonna cause a lot of problems for him. And the songs he makes are just not good. He's best if used for hooks on old school sounding songs.

He released one of the best west coast albums of the year man. Painkillers was easy top 5, and my favorite album of the year, better then DA. Kokane has a good ear for the beats, is a real artist, and writes his own stuff. He has a unique style, and isn't the same lame assed rapper. How many rappers are their like the Game, or Xzibit? Tons, their everywhere. Its so f*cking boring. They all sound the same. How many rappers like Kokane? None like him. Hes original. Now maybe you like listening to the same shit over and over, but when you want something real, something original, go with kokane. His flow is unmatched, just check out "Way you do", no artist I can think of can touch that.

You and Detox need to grow up real fast. It's almost sad how the two of you can't say anything without either worshiping 50 or hating on Game. I didn't mention him in this thread AT ALL but you still felt the need to throw his name at me.

When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two? Heres an example. I love Jay-Z, I think hes the greatest rapper alive, but I also hate Nas. If I go into a thread about Nas, and say "He ain't shit." Would it not be a logical reply to say "How can you hate Nas when you love Jay-Z." If I like Jay-Z, then I compare all the music I don't like to him. I ask the question, How can I love Jay-Z and hate Nas. Its logical. I hate one superior rapper and like the worse rapper.

I wasn't even dissing Game. I stated a fact. Game is a generic rapper, who we've all heard before. His character is played out. I was simply saying, after 15 years of hearing songs which sound EXACTLY like Game's, it gets old. Hes nothing new, nothing special. I don't see how anyone would disagree.

You guys hate on Banks, Yayo, Spider Loc, and 50 Cent all the time. I hate on Game all the time. Someone said kokane isn't a good rapper, while Game isn't a great one either. So why does that person think Game is so much better. I want to know why this person loves Game more then kokane. And this little analaogy can apply to almost any thread.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: GangstaBoogy on December 23, 2006, 02:05:03 PM
i agree with everything you said except the southern california thing, that's awful specific, you really think only so cal?

damn, that's brutal.

-T

Not literally, but yeah for the most part. People are drawn to him cuz he's usually on some p-funk type shiet. That's not hot anymore. Like xander said, his best work was singing hooks for Snoop on "The Last Meal". No disrespect to Kokane or nothin, but its true




There's too many things stopping Kokane from selling. First of all no one outside of this forum is checking for him. His rapping style is dusgusting. His singing is only liked by fans in Southern California. His name is gonna cause a lot of problems for him. And the songs he makes are just not good. He's best if used for hooks on old school sounding songs.

He released one of the best west coast albums of the year man. Painkillers was easy top 5, and my favorite album of the year, better then DA. Kokane has a good ear for the beats, is a real artist, and writes his own stuff. He has a unique style, and isn't the same lame assed rapper. How many rappers are their like the Game, or Xzibit? Tons, their everywhere. Its so f*cking boring. They all sound the same. How many rappers like Kokane? None like him. Hes original. Now maybe you like listening to the same shit over and over, but when you want something real, something original, go with kokane. His flow is unmatched, just check out "Way you do", no artist I can think of can touch that.

You and Detox need to grow up real fast. It's almost sad how the two of you can't say anything without either worshiping 50 or hating on Game. I didn't mention him in this thread AT ALL but you still felt the need to throw his name at me.

When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two? Heres an example. I love Jay-Z, I think hes the greatest rapper alive, but I also hate Nas. If I go into a thread about Nas, and say "He ain't shit." Would it not be a logical reply to say "How can you hate Nas when you love Jay-Z." If I like Jay-Z, then I compare all the music I don't like to him. I ask the question, How can I love Jay-Z and hate Nas. Its logical. I hate one superior rapper and like the worse rapper.

I wasn't even dissing Game. I stated a fact. Game is a generic rapper, who we've all heard before. His character is played out. I was simply saying, after 15 years of hearing songs which sound EXACTLY like Game's, it gets old. Hes nothing new, nothing special. I don't see how anyone would disagree.

You guys hate on Banks, Yayo, Spider Loc, and 50 Cent all the time. I hate on Game all the time. Someone said kokane isn't a good rapper, while Game isn't a great one either. So why does that person think Game is so much better. I want to know why this person loves Game more then kokane. And this little analaogy can apply to almost any thread.

What does Game or G-Unit have to do with anything the rest of us were talking about? Please answer that...

You're obsession is pathetic.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 23, 2006, 02:51:29 PM
^ Re-read, re-post, and re-think. The three R's of posting on a forum.

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When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two?

^^
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: GangstaBoogy on December 23, 2006, 08:13:05 PM
^Dumb post as usual. Just because some people like Game doesn't mean they "worship the ground he walks on". He's clearly the better rapper. If you disagree, then that's your opinion. No need to get butt-hurt and mention 50 and Game in EVERY post on here.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 23, 2006, 08:48:03 PM
^Dumb post as usual. Just because some people like Game doesn't mean they "worship the ground he walks on". He's clearly the better rapper. If you disagree, then that's your opinion. No need to get butt-hurt and mention 50 and Game in EVERY post on here.

And don't come up for air 'til the beat drop,
I'm the Doctors Advocate call it a sneak peak,
at the mudafukn Detox, take note grab a pen,
And let the world know the west is ridin' again,
I Graduated from Dre's school top of my class,
Treat my switches like my bitches got me dropping that ass,
Still bangin' the chronic like doggiestyle came with it,
And I roll a sticky on my bitch back while I hit it,
I done been there, done that, had beefs and won that,
5 million records on 1 plaque I hung that,
Still got Dr. Dre low ridin' in the 64',

Yes... game is a master lyrisict. Anyone who thinks Game is a good rapper is an idiot. Truth. Hes an average generic rapper and apparently you do worship the ground he walks on if you think hes any good at all. And btw, aren't you the one getting pissed off cause I mentioned Game in my post. Sorry to hurt your shallow feelings, your favorite rapper is pathetic.

Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: GangstaBoogy on December 23, 2006, 08:50:47 PM
^oh yeah you're right, I forgot how great Kokane is...

I'm a crazy motherfucker from the streets
Ridin' in my Caddy, leanin' to the side
Eatin' deep fried pickled pigs feet
Fight lotion, I keep my lips hemmed and ashy
Buckle on beads so my shit stay nappy
Kokane you need to wash your ass
Been scratchin' my dick for a year, just found out I had crabs
You's a nasty ass negro
Yeah but I love kickin' it with them Doghouse niggas makin' them pesos
I'm a bad role model, my name is Kokane
Next it seems like I'm the worses name in the game
You won't wanna remember life is kind of scary
Sittin' alone in the dark, yellin' out bloody mary
I was born in a dark room
Pulled out a 4-5 on the doctor when I came out the womb
I said mom I wanna suck the nurses titties, cause her shit is bigger
You dirty little nigger, ah ha ha ha ha ha


On second thought, I see why you're so in love with Kokane now...
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=130135.0

He did another song with G-Unit  :-X

and Game isn't my favorite rapper. Top 10? Yes.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 23, 2006, 09:18:35 PM
Thats one of my fav kok tracks, battlecat gave him a good beat.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Z the laidback Virus on December 24, 2006, 02:08:11 AM
^'Raise Up' was produced by Fredwreck, not Battlecat!
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 24, 2006, 01:42:10 PM
 wasn't even dissing Game. I stated a fact. Game is a generic rapper, who we've all heard before. His character is played out. I was simply saying, after 15 years of hearing songs which sound EXACTLY like Game's, it gets old. Hes nothing new, nothing special. I don't see how anyone would disagree.

You guys hate on Banks, Yayo, Spider Loc, and 50 Cent all the time. I hate on Game all the time. ----------------------Since when does anyone listen to west coast rap for content? Check it: East coast rap: poetry. West coast rap: music. East coast is about a message, west coast is a sonic experience. 

it's always the extreme statements that reveal a bias. if you're saying kokane is talentless, you're extreme to the point of not being credible. if you say koka is the epitome of talent, same thing. you say game's talentless, too extreme to be taken seriously. saying game's the best, once more incredible due to extremeness.

game has talent "You don't need to ride a bike/I handle bars"  "top of my class" completely rhymes with 'droppin that ass' it's not just ass/class. He has multi's often. Not talentless, that shit takes a level of talent.

Kokane is a fun sonic experience but I don't trust him as an artist to craft a piece, an artistic statement, an album the way game and his people can. Both dope sonically, which is why they're both popular on the west coast. Game has a lot of big names associated with him and his controversy, a ridiculously commercially viable list of admirable producers which is why he's popular period. MC/vocalist talents, probably about equal.

Kokane has rapping talent (original flow) and singing talent (fuck you, p-funk will always be hot) but his rap is the same themes as game's without the metacognition. metacognition is what gives game much of his appeal.

-T

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: 3331 on December 24, 2006, 01:56:01 PM
i was thinking the other day about how snoop did that with half dead. i mean he mentions him and they homies but he never really helped him with steel on a mission, dead has arisen like he should have
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: SGV on December 25, 2006, 03:53:52 PM
Kokane's chance passed years ago. Dude couldn't do it with Eazy. Was lucky enough to get a shot with Dre and Snoop and couldn't do it then, either. He's made the bad business decisions. By all means, dude should have a nice stack in his pocket after his work on 2001 and Last Meal... but he's not a business man. Don't blame others for his problems.

LMAO @ "When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two?"

Kokane is nowhere near Game's level lyrically. He (Game) may not be the most complex emcee of all time, but he still has a hot flow and pens great tracks. Kokane will NOT be remembered as a rapper. He'll always be that dude that was on half the hooks on Last Meal OR as the cat that was on Ruthless.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 25, 2006, 04:20:18 PM
^ truth.-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: The King on December 25, 2006, 04:39:47 PM
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He (Game) may not be the most complex emcee of all time, but he still has a hot flow and pens great tracks.

Well thats your opinion, I can't even listen to a Game track anymore, his subject matter and lyrics are beyond aweful. I'd rather listen to Laffy taffy on repeat then any Game track. And I'm not even into lyrics, lyrics don't matter to me. But the things Game raps about, the name dropping, the Dre dick riding, the 94, all that shit, its unberiable. Maybe if it was just one track, but every track hes ever made is exactly the same. Theirs no theme to the music, its just pointless repetitive words. Entertain us Game. And penning great tracks is a huge stretch.. even for someone as one dimensional as Game. Hes the got the lyrical presence of a lamp shade.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: SGV on December 25, 2006, 04:50:13 PM
Songs like "One Night" and "Doctors Advocate" show Game's depth. He's more than your one dimensional shallow rapper. He opens up and lets everyone in to a side of him that you usually don't see. You sound a little bitter toward Game for some reason. But coming from someone who was feeling Game when he first came out with JT and later lost interest (only to regain the interest after 300 Bars), to becoming a believer again (since Doctors Advocate dropped), I can't see how anyone could say Game is anything BUT lyrical.

He has tracks for everyone and can rock with anyone, on any style track.
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on December 25, 2006, 05:02:14 PM
that's true, he comes very lyrical on alot of that mixtape stuff in a way that he doesn't on the albums.

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Diggfinger on February 09, 2007, 04:06:42 PM
He released one of the best west coast albums of the year man. Painkillers was easy top 5, and my favorite album of the year, better then DA. Kokane has a good ear for the beats, is a real artist, and writes his own stuff. He has a unique style, and isn't the same lame assed rapper. How many rappers are their like the Game, or Xzibit? Tons, their everywhere. Its so f*cking boring. They all sound the same. How many rappers like Kokane? None like him. Hes original. Now maybe you like listening to the same shit over and over, but when you want something real, something original, go with kokane. His flow is unmatched, just check out "Way you do", no artist I can think of can touch that.


^^ PREACH!!!

I can honestly say, hardly to anyone's surprise, that I agree with you 100%. Most rap is boring. I mean c'mon, hearing about bitches and switches is cool for a while for it gets soooooooooooooooo trivial o my God. Kokane is unique. NOBODY can copy him (ok Jelly sound similar on a select few songs but still gets nowhere near having the persona and style  that Koka has).
And dude is a true artist. I have been following his career for years now and it just amazing to find out that he is not only an amazing song writer (wrote all his stuff on Painkillerz) but also an amazing rapper (yes rapper, suckaz got bakin soda in they shit 8)) singer, producer I mean dude just does it all.

And what's even more surprising is: most rap fans shake they ass to Snoop or Dre songs when Kokane is on them, dont give a funk about Koka when he puts out solo stuff though, but he keeps being in the game! WHy is that? I think artists (Young Yoker, Young Smoker whatever they're names are) realize just how hard it is to differentiate themselves from other dudes in the game, so they need ppl like Koka. He is unique, like it or not 8)
well anyway, ppl who felt alot of pain in their lives will appreciate Kokane's personality and humor...but the masses probably never will.
DOesnt matter though. Imma rapp it up by listing just a few people who Kokane have worked with over the years to let the suckaz know what time it is...

George Clinton
Bootsy Collins
Dr. Dre
Snoop Dogg
Ice Cube
MC Eiht
Cypress Hill
Warren G
Too Short
Suga Free
Above The Law
Battlecat
Tha Eastsidaz
Ras Kass
Big Lurch
Hi-C
Kurupt
Roscoe
Jayo Felony
Kam
40 Glocc
E-40
Xzibit
Bad Azz
Down
Knightowl
Mac Dre
Spice 1
Yukmouth......list goes on
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Diggfinger on February 10, 2007, 04:38:39 AM
Kokane's chance passed years ago. Dude couldn't do it with Eazy. Was lucky enough to get a shot with Dre and Snoop and couldn't do it then, either. He's made the bad business decisions. By all means, dude should have a nice stack in his pocket after his work on 2001 and Last Meal... but he's not a business man. Don't blame others for his problems.

LMAO @ "When people are saying that kokane isn't a great rapper, but they worship the ground Game walks on, doesn't it make sense for me to compare the two?"

Kokane is nowhere near Game's level lyrically. He (Game) may not be the most complex emcee of all time, but he still has a hot flow and pens great tracks. Kokane will NOT be remembered as a rapper. He'll always be that dude that was on half the hooks on Last Meal OR as the cat that was on Ruthless.

The thing about Kokane though is that dude is deep. You have to really try and understand what he has been through in the game (and in life) to really comprehend his talent. I mean picture it: dude was fresh outta high-school around 1990, dropped cuts with his cousin Cold 187Um and Above The Law and started getting 20.000$ checks from a rap-game hall-of-famer (Eazy E). All of a sudden though Eazy was gone, Ruthless fell apart and Kokane was living with his family in a trailer park just doing whatever necessary to feed his wife and 5 or 6 kids. This was about '96. He clearly had a fan base, but with Eazy gone no one was backing him up in the industry.

Then came his break with Dre (appearing on Chronic 2001) and Snoop (Snoop putting him on Tha Last Meal and Tha Eastsidaz's records) which I could imagine finally gave some hope for Koka. But the Doggystyle situation didnt really turn out as Koka had presumably hoped, seeing as how all he ended up with was a scrapped record. Guess that was why he was madda than a mutha at Snoop...Im not saying it's right but you have to understand what dude is/was going through. I can't imagine feeding a wife and 8 kids being an easy task, and  he had, once again,  been let down by the industry.

with that in mind, it just makes u appreciate his raps and choruses even more...I mean, take the new Young Buck track for instance (Haters):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ALEAI4LN (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ALEAI4LN)

"The streets aint got no love/
these niggas dont feel my pain (oh these niggas dont know what I've been through mayn)
But I aint even looking for love (I aint looking for all your self-pity)
A gangsta just doing his thang....."

whooo  :o Koka isnt just a rapper/singer, he is a real person just displaying his real emotions and thoughts (be they bad or good, positive or negative).
With all the crap Koka has been through its nothing short of amazing that he can still maintain his wonderful, cheerful spirit.

I mean, stuff like he did on Above The Law's "Gangsta Madness" from 94...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64T9ZOS1 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64T9ZOS1)

"Some time we all gotta gooo
but we never knoooow
when we aaalll gotta gooo
living in this world is a give or take
Im only human so I will make mistakes....thiiings will never chaaaange"

BOO YAA! That was 94 :o Kokane is a FUNK-A-TEER  8) and for those want the good ol' rapping Kokane, here is a track from 91 called "Nickel Slick Nigga" (straight rap)

Kokane - Nickel Slick Nigga http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VB23L7I2 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VB23L7I2)

And this track is Koka basically re-doing a track his father (Jerry Long Sr., produced for Marvin Gaye and wrote for Motown) once did...

Kokane - Smiling Faces http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LZSJV9RT (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LZSJV9RT)
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Tanjential on February 10, 2007, 03:49:30 PM
truth^

-T
Title: Re: Bad business (Kokane for example)
Post by: Diggfinger on February 11, 2007, 02:35:25 AM
Here's a dope track called "There's a Woman" (aka. "Thugs Need Love"), an unreleased track from the Doggystyle record Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Kane.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AQ4GXEEE (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AQ4GXEEE)