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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Tanjential on January 02, 2007, 03:23:12 PM
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So I finally bought Jay-Z's first album yesterday. Reasonable doubt, and as I listened to it and looked through the booklet I see that DJ Premier produced a bunch of it. Just like he produced Nas' debut album in 94(some of it) and they were debuts from young hungry rappers from that area who came with maad heat, based on what I've read, Nas was on some mixtape in 91 or 92 or some shit and people heard him, signed him, he makes a record and it gets dropped. I was talking about rap with an east coast head the other day (this guy is a CA resident though) and he was talking mad shit about the west coast and how west coast is fucking up. He was saying that the reason the east and south have it on lock is because as soon as anyone has some heat , a major label sets them up right and puts them out. Did it really go down that way? Did the elitist of the elite just see Nas was the next big thing immediately and immediately take the necessary steps to insure he got to do his thing? What is it about the hip-hop machine on the east coast that allows that to happen that isn't happening on the west coast?
My point is, I'm looking at nas and jay-z's debut fucking albums and they already have production from the most respected (arguably) producer on the east coast whereas by the time Xzibit hookd up with dre he no longer had that illmatic/reasonable doubt style hunger. why does dre, for example, jump on the production roster for the new heat 3 albums in while premier is lacing dope MCs in nY out the fetus?
do the big ec producers like primo listen to mixtapes more closely or diligently or what?
how come nas and jay z get primo and clark kent on their debuts and xzibit gets whoever the fuck produced 40 dayz and speed of life and crooked I gets a no albu? Didn't he write some shit for dre, dude can't give him a beat? you guys get what I'm saying? what is about our machine on the westside that doesn't allow the new heat to immediately get some fire from the greats and drop an album?
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Well it really depends on who you are talkin about.....cats like DOC, Snoop, Game, Knoc, and many others on the west have had these major producers on their debut albums....but their careers just went in completely different directions. Jay had actually been around since the late 80s, and wasn't at all new to the industry. At the same time...there have been a lot of East Coast acts to come out without really having any major production on their first LP.
At the same time....Premier has always been a major, relevant producer...but has never been picky about who he works with, and doesn't charge nearly as much as Dre or even Quik. Many of the west coast producers have been very home based, and in the 90s, they only worked inside of their own crews. You only saw Quik producin for cats he grew up with and were in his clique....u only saw Dre workin with Death Row artists, major artists (R. Kelly), and cats within his own circle.
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So I finally bought Jay-Z's first album yesterday. Reasonable doubt, and as I listened to it and looked through the booklet I see that DJ Premier produced a bunch of it. Just like he produced Nas' debut album in 94(some of it) and they were debuts from young hungry rappers from that area who came with maad heat, based on what I've read, Nas was on some mixtape in 91 or 92 or some shit and people heard him, signed him, he makes a record and it gets dropped. I was talking about rap with an east coast head the other day (this guy is a CA resident though) and he was talking mad shit about the west coast and how west coast is fucking up. He was saying that the reason the east and south have it on lock is because as soon as anyone has some heat , a major label sets them up right and puts them out. Did it really go down that way? Did the elitist of the elite just see Nas was the next big thing immediately and immediately take the necessary steps to insure he got to do his thing? What is it about the hip-hop machine on the east coast that allows that to happen that isn't happening on the west coast?
My point is, I'm looking at nas and jay-z's debut fucking albums and they already have production from the most respected (arguably) producer on the east coast whereas by the time Xzibit hookd up with dre he no longer had that illmatic/reasonable doubt style hunger. why does dre, for example, jump on the production roster for the new heat 3 albums in while premier is lacing dope MCs in nY out the fetus?
do the big ec producers like primo listen to mixtapes more closely or diligently or what?
how come nas and jay z get primo and clark kent on their debuts and xzibit gets whoever the fuck produced 40 dayz and speed of life and crooked I gets a no albu? Didn't he write some shit for dre, dude can't give him a beat? you guys get what I'm saying? what is about our machine on the westside that doesn't allow the new heat to immediately get some fire from the greats and drop an album?
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I have to disagree with you about Xzibit. 40 dayz is a dope album and it had alot of Dr. Dre taught producers on it. It's not X's fault it was slept on. The west has alot of dope producers but lets face it, what ones other than Dre have a set up like him? None. So the cream of the crop out here is Dre. We need more labels for west coast acts to show it ain't just about Dre. Premier and Clark Kent are not on major labels so it is easier for a east coast rapper to go to a Premier or Kent for beats and they are established producers. Other than Dre, not alot of labels that have west coast artists want producers they deem as B list producers. They want the timbos and pharrells and do not realize they could make a name for the producer as well as their artist. Look at what a record like Gangsta Nation did for Fred Wreck. We here all know he is dope but the world got just a little bit of what he can do.
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whoah, when did dre work with r.kelly?
so you're just saying nas and jay were of a similar camp of people to the west coasts nwa tree to where such shit could just happen like that?
not saying 40 dayz ain't tight, but it ain't illmatic, and maybe with as many dre beats as illmatic had premier beats, it would have been you know?
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whoah, when did dre work with r.kelly?
so you're just saying nas and jay were of a similar camp of people to the west coasts nwa tree to where such shit could just happen like that?
not saying 40 dayz ain't tight, but it ain't illmatic, and maybe with as many dre beats as illmatic had premier beats, it would have been you know?
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I am saying the east is structured to the point that a Biggie, Nas or Jay could go to a Premier or Pete Rock and create classics like that. Dre is only 1 man. He can't work with EVERYONE on the west. The producers on the east consider it a honor and a challenge to work with those artists. What do we have out here? Dreams. We have other dope producers out here but people feel like a dope album can't happen without Dre beats and that is not always true. We need more producers out here to be able to make a household name for themselves. I think the work WillIAm is putting in is good for the west. JR Rotem, Fred Wreck, Complex, etc. We have dope producers. Dre could work with more artists but in the end it is up to him. And there are alot of albums that are not Illmatic but that is not X's fault Dre was not on there. It worked out fine for Xzibit because he executive produced Restless so it all worked out.
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I'm not saying anything was X's fault, it's the structure of the west coast.
and nah, it doesn't work out because dre wasn't producing him till he wasn't as hungry, past his peak. i'm saying dre and x should have happened out the gate like nas/premier, jay/premier. but the west insn't structured like that. it's so 'go for self' out here that no one fucks with you until you're noticed hardcore.
and yeah, you can do a dre-tastic west coast album without dre but ask Game and geffen how expensive that was.
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I'm not saying anything was X's fault, it's the structure of the west coast.
and nah, it doesn't work out because dre wasn't producing him till he wasn't as hungry, past his peak. i'm saying dre and x should have happened out the gate like nas/premier, jay/premier. but the west insn't structured like that. it's so 'go for self' out here that no one fucks with you until you're noticed hardcore.
and yeah, you can do a dre-tastic west coast album without dre but ask Game and geffen how expensive that was.
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Xzibit sounded like he was at his peak on Restless. (pops in Restless as I am typing this) That is up to the producer. Xzibit back then had a dope camp and producer with Da Liks and E Swift. Most people actually wanted more E Swift collabos with Xzibit then anything else lately. I don't know how much Game and Geffen paid the producers but yeah I guess if I was in their position I would want to be paid top dollar too.
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I'm saying Game and geffen paid top dollar for top dollar producers to make up for the production game used to get for free. -T
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not that xzibit wasn't dope on restless, especially on the dre tracks but the album still wasn't a classic cause so many of the non dre tracks were lacking. if xzibit was already with dre out the gate there would have been the tight dre/x collabs supported by the already classic shit x was doing on 40days and speedolife.
speed of life + dre production=something more like illmatic than any other x album we've yet heard.
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not that xzibit wasn't dope on restless, especially on the dre tracks but the album still wasn't a classic cause so many of the non dre tracks were lacking. if xzibit was already with dre out the gate there would have been the tight dre/x collabs supported by the already classic shit x was doing on 40days and speedolife.
speed of life + dre production=something more like illmatic than any other x album we've yet heard.
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True, but I still consider both of his 1st 2 albums near classics anyway without Dre. What tracks not done by Dre did you think are lacking?
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no tracks in particular, just the near classic thing. had dre been involved out the gate, those near classics would be classics. if illmatic came outthe gate without pete rock and primo, it still would have been near classic. but those legends touch gave it that extra oomph to make it happen. i don't see west coast doing that. that east coast head i was talking to was saying the east is tight because as soon as someone has a buzz the whole hip hop community there feels its necessary to get dude heard if he's hot and they're all on it callin primo and russel simmons gettin' dude hooked up. don't happen like that out here.
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no tracks in particular, just the near classic thing. had dre been involved out the gate, those near classics would be classics. if illmatic came outthe gate without pete rock and primo, it still would have been near classic. but those legends touch gave it that extra oomph to make it happen. i don't see west coast doing that. that east coast head i was talking to was saying the east is tight because as soon as someone has a buzz the whole hip hop community there feels its necessary to get dude heard if he's hot and they're all on it callin primo and russel simmons gettin' dude hooked up. don't happen like that out here.
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True. The last artist to really pull alot of talented artists together like that out here would be Pac with All Eyez On Me. Game did it a little bit on DA. We and I say we because I am from the west, we as fans and the artists also need to support more of our own. With a artist like a Nas or Biggie on the East, the east coast as a whole support the movement and when you support it, it makes the coast or region stronger. We don't do that anymore and have not done it in almost a decade.
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Yeah, people need to stop hating on game and admit that even if he is a whack rapper(which i don't feel he is) his albums are still worth purchasing like a motherfucker cause they're so well produced. I mean, you don't have to like Game to bounce to 'too much' storchy and nate come on!
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no tracks in particular, just the near classic thing. had dre been involved out the gate, those near classics would be classics. if illmatic came outthe gate without pete rock and primo, it still would have been near classic. but those legends touch gave it that extra oomph to make it happen. i don't see west coast doing that. that east coast head i was talking to was saying the east is tight because as soon as someone has a buzz the whole hip hop community there feels its necessary to get dude heard if he's hot and they're all on it callin primo and russel simmons gettin' dude hooked up. don't happen like that out here.
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But again that Dre quote about working with other artists to make classics also falls on Dre. Kind of hard to create classic music if Dre is too busy to work with you.That is why our dope producers need more exposure so that you do not feel like you need Dre to do classic material. Make the material stand out so that DRE COMES TO YOU. That is why Dre wanted to work with X.
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Yeah, people need to stop hating on game and admit that even if he is a whack rapper(which i don't feel he is) his albums are still worth purchasing like a motherfucker cause they're so well produced. I mean, you don't have to like Game to bounce to 'too much' storchy and nate come on!
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But maybe some people just do not like Game. I for damn sure do not like he fact he mentioned Dre 50 times on this record. He wasted alot of tracks doing that but then you hear a song like One Night or Ole English and Game gets away from that and makes some dope storytelling tracks. I think people would have respected the music more if he left that beef shit alone and just focused on making dope music. He is making it with the Dre name dropping but it was too much for me. I still like the album though.
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Why is it okay to sing 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac all day long and as soon as someone talks about someone who WASN'T shooting people all their lives, it's' whack? I hate that people criticize the Dre tribute. jazz artists do tribute albums to thelonius monk all the time. quik worked on a roger troutman tribute...why can't Game do a dre tribute album? Peopl in the hip hop community are all too homophobic, insecure about their sexuality. This conversation wouldn't be happening in a rock forum.
not a criticism of anyone in particular, just the trend of hating in Game's dre tribute in general.
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Why is it okay to sing 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac 2pac all day long and as soon as someone talks about someone who WASN'T shooting people all their lives, it's' whack? I hate that people criticize the Dre tribute. jazz artists do tribute albums to thelonius monk all the time. quik worked on a roger troutman tribute...why can't Game do a dre tribute album? Peopl in the hip hop community are all too homophobic, insecure about their sexuality. This conversation wouldn't be happening in a rock forum.
not a criticism of anyone in particular, just the trend of hating in Game's dre tribute in general.
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People say the same about the Outlawz doing that with 2pac. Game is not doing a tribute album. He wants all the credit and recognition for the album and bringing the west back but you are screaming Dre every other word. You see what I'm saying? DA the track with Busta was enough for me, after that it got tiresome. I still love the album, that is just a part I did not like.If Game wants to do a tribute album, then do it. Quik does the talkbox like Roger but he adds his own twist to it. Same with jazz performers. If people wanted to hear covers of songs they would just rather listen to the real thing. Especially in hip hop because it is a personal music form. And Game be acting like he is bi-polar. One minute he gives praise and the next he is mad at Dre so I take alot of the stuff he says for face value at that time.
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I totally feel your points, but when I say tribute I don't mean covers. A tribute is just some work in honor of. DA is a complete and total celebration of Dre's music. To me, that's the face value that I take it as.
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I totally feel your points, but when I say tribute I don't mean covers. A tribute is just some work in honor of. DA is a complete and total celebration of Dre's music. To me, that's the face value that I take it as.
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I guess what I meant to say was that it sounds like he is doing a tribute album with all of the Dre drops. But all in all I still like Game's music along with many other west coast artists and I support it to the fullest.
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for sure man, just discussin'.
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But I do not think Dre could collaborate on enough albums out west to really make that classic sound again. I think he can do like Snoop said and do a beat for some artists out west to use on their albums.
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what i've noticed is that unless he's producing a whole album, the dre stamp no longer equals classic. So I'd rather he didn't do a beat per new WC artist because that's 20 tracks I gotta download from 20 different cds, i'd rather purchase two cds each with 10 dope dre tracks. but yeah, that would defo help artists out. he should just toss snoop a bunch of beats he has no interest in or intentions for. out of all of those, there would surely be some bangers.
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what i've noticed is that unless he's producing a whole album, the dre stamp no longer equals classic. So I'd rather he didn't do a beat per new WC artist because that's 20 tracks I gotta download from 20 different cds, i'd rather purchase two cds each with 10 dope dre tracks. but yeah, that would defo help artists out. he should just toss snoop a bunch of beats he has no interest in or intentions for. out of all of those, there would surely be some bangers.
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That was crazy on that interview that D.O.C. did when he said Dre be shreading beat cds that he does not like. I am sure for his standards it is probably not suitable but like DOC said he could give those beats to somebody else. Dre should just have a production company. That or trim down his label so he would have more time to do a artist's whole album.
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don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?
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don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?
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I mean he should not have a label. It seems like he is focused on 1 or 2 artists and the rest get pushed back or never come out. If he just had the production crew, artists could come to him and negotiate deals for their albums.
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don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?
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I mean he should not have a label. It seems like he is focused on 1 or 2 artists and the rest get pushed back or never come out. If he just had the production crew, artists could come to him and negotiate deals for their albums.
Yeah dre has too much desire to break new artists in. What he should realize is that he can make classic after classic easily with established artists. Shit, he could make classic after classic with artists period if he sat down with a motherfucker and wrote 10 songs.
is 10 songs really that much work? GodDAMN. All i wanted was 10 songs with rakim. 10 songs with hitt. damnit. -T
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don't dre, hi-tek, and focus and a few other cats constitute aftermath's production company?
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I mean he should not have a label. It seems like he is focused on 1 or 2 artists and the rest get pushed back or never come out. If he just had the production crew, artists could come to him and negotiate deals for their albums.
Yeah dre has too much desire to break new artists in. What he should realize is that he can make classic after classic easily with established artists. Shit, he could make classic after classic with artists period if he sat down with a motherfucker and wrote 10 songs.
is 10 songs really that much work? GodDAMN. All i wanted was 10 songs with rakim. 10 songs with hitt. damnit. -T
I still cannot understand how you have creative differences with Rakim. But some things are just not meant to be.
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If Dre worked with the older artists yall would complain he isnt putting enough work into establishing new wc artists. He's trying to make bishop blow up and will probably produce tracks for other new wc artists as well. But if some guys offering $$$$$$$ for a beat then he aint gonna say no.
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If Dre worked with the older artists yall would complain he isnt putting enough work into establishing new wc artists. He's trying to make bishop blow up and will probably produce tracks for other new wc artists as well. But if some guys offering $$$$$$$ for a beat then he aint gonna say no.
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First thing, I gota agree with the fact that Premo and guys like him who are established producers and feel it's kind of a challenge for them to work with new, up and comming and hungry MCs, it's like they want to see what can the particular MC bring out of them that others haven't, on the production tip
I, personally, am perfectly happy with X's first two, and yeah a touch from Dre would've been good, but it was already straightened out that he can't be there for everyone one from the west.At the time, 1996, he worked with the artists who he thought were hungry enough for what he had to offer, and at the same time he was dealing with issues with death row, sttarting a new label, etc., so I don't think that if he would've had the time, he wouldn't have worked on X's first
What I specifically bump this thread for, is something else tho.In the 90s, on the east coast there were MANY producers that were "household" names, that were easily reachable, and carried that classic NY/hip-hop sound, therefore there were many options for an artist to choose from - you got premo, pete rock, large professor, lord finesse, buckwild, easy mo bee...and I am mentioning them all in one sentence because they are all kind of connected in way or another (marley marl thought pete rock the basics of producing, large professor did the same for Premier, he for lord finesse, etc) and they were ALL capable of bringing classic shit
I am saying the east is structured to the point that a Biggie, Nas or Jay could go to a Premier or Pete Rock and create classics like that. Dre is only 1 man. He can't work with EVERYONE on the west
damn right.Dre did his own "mentoring" if you wanna call it:
Sir Jinx - he continued to work only with Ice Cube and people from his camp, with (I think) one exception, it being G. Rap's Live and Lt Die album
Cold 187um - great producer in the period 1989-1997, but only worked with his camp.I could go on...
I've read R-Tistic posts about how DJ Quik, on his first album has used the same production techniques similar to or same as Dre's from back in the day.Speaking of Quik, he's so versatile and great and all, but he again worked mostly with his camp.My point is, the west has had great producers that can bring quality material but they've kind of limited their range of artists to work with, whereas the people from the east I've mentioned have worked with everybody and they mother...
Sorry for the rant, just some random thoguhts I had.They would've been way more coherent if I had posted them the first time they came to my mind, but I didn't really have the chance then
props to tanj and d-nice for the tthread
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how come nas and jay z get primo and clark kent on their debuts and xzibit gets whoever the fuck produced 40 dayz and speed of life
Well Xzibit had DJ Muggs, Diamond D & E-Swift producin on the 1st album, and he had Soopafly, Bud'da, Mel-Man, E-Swift etc. producin for "40 Dayz & 40 Nightz", all of those producers are good. But i get your point though.
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I just wanna know what Dre did with R. Kelly???
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hm, in retrospect the issue here seems to be that west coast producers are trying to get a company cracking/going/cooking while east coast cats like primo and Kent were just artists on the hunt for a new sound/artist/challenge to work with.
props to eazye for leading me to that insight^
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I just wanna know what Dre did with R. Kelly???
I don't know where R-Tistic got that from, but to my knowledge Dr. Dre and R. Kelly never put out a song together. I think R-Tistic was thinking about the DJ Quik & R. Kelly song.
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people need to stop depending on dre, we have some dope producers out here battlecat muggs rome and may other dope producers, out of topic what did jay release before reasonable doubt like mixtapes, cd's and all that
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First thing, I gota agree with the fact that Premo and guys like him who are established producers and feel it's kind of a challenge for them to work with new, up and comming and hungry MCs, it's like they want to see what can the particular MC bring out of them that others haven't, on the production tip
I, personally, am perfectly happy with X's first two, and yeah a touch from Dre would've been good, but it was already straightened out that he can't be there for everyone one from the west.At the time, 1996, he worked with the artists who he thought were hungry enough for what he had to offer, and at the same time he was dealing with issues with death row, sttarting a new label, etc., so I don't think that if he would've had the time, he wouldn't have worked on X's first
What I specifically bump this thread for, is something else tho.In the 90s, on the east coast there were MANY producers that were "household" names, that were easily reachable, and carried that classic NY/hip-hop sound, therefore there were many options for an artist to choose from - you got premo, pete rock, large professor, lord finesse, buckwild, easy mo bee...and I am mentioning them all in one sentence because they are all kind of connected in way or another (marley marl thought pete rock the basics of producing, large professor did the same for Premier, he for lord finesse, etc) and they were ALL capable of bringing classic shit
I am saying the east is structured to the point that a Biggie, Nas or Jay could go to a Premier or Pete Rock and create classics like that. Dre is only 1 man. He can't work with EVERYONE on the west
damn right.Dre did his own "mentoring" if you wanna call it:
Sir Jinx - he continued to work only with Ice Cube and people from his camp, with (I think) one exception, it being G. Rap's Live and Lt Die album
Cold 187um - great producer in the period 1989-1997, but only worked with his camp.I could go on...
I've read R-Tistic posts about how DJ Quik, on his first album has used the same production techniques similar to or same as Dre's from back in the day.Speaking of Quik, he's so versatile and great and all, but he again worked mostly with his camp.My point is, the west has had great producers that can bring quality material but they've kind of limited their range of artists to work with, whereas the people from the east I've mentioned have worked with everybody and they mother...
Sorry for the rant, just some random thoguhts I had.They would've been way more coherent if I had posted them the first time they came to my mind, but I didn't really have the chance then
props to tanj and d-nice for the tthread
Agree with you 100%. Hopefully alot more dope producers out west can get their name out there and other rappers will work with them as well.
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people need to stop depending on dre, we have some dope producers out here battlecat muggs rome and may other dope producers, out of topic what did jay release before reasonable doubt like mixtapes, cd's and all that
if they want that recognition, they gotta act like the head of the class and do like Primo and them did: challenge themselves to produce the hot up and comers debut records and make them classics thus blowing up new cats on the west and cementing their own status as respectable producers.
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people need to stop depending on dre, we have some dope producers out here battlecat muggs rome and may other dope producers, out of topic what did jay release before reasonable doubt like mixtapes, cd's and all that
if they want that recognition, they gotta act like the head of the class and do like Primo and them did: challenge themselves to produce the hot up and comers debut records and make them classics thus blowing up new cats on the west and cementing their own status as respectable producers.
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I like the work Mitchy Slick is doing with DJ Muggs. That dude is criminally slept on as a producer IMO
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whoah, link to some of that shit?
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i think people(A&R's) got scared and saw how record labels(death row) were very dangerous and were very violent so they wanted nothing to do with them and were just fuckin scared. The thing about dre that ive noticed is that he is always doign somethign working on something and has no time to pay attention to new artists and it's like he sees some of the new artists and thinks he's better than them but one thing is HE WAS ONCE ONE OF THEM, now this is just my opinion. But also like most people say which is teh truth the west coast radio don't play they own emcees but of course they do play them
when i went to cali(fresno to be exact) all i heard on teh radio was the original version of thugs mansion and Knightowls song In love with a gangster(not sure if thats it) so they do show some love
and also im not sure how the radio is out there now but peopel call in and ask for songs so im just guessing peopel are not feeling they own music anymore or something
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So I finally bought Jay-Z's first album yesterday. Reasonable doubt, and as I listened to it and looked through the booklet I see that DJ Premier produced a bunch of it. Just like he produced Nas' debut album in 94(some of it) and they were debuts from young hungry rappers from that area who came with maad heat, based on what I've read, Nas was on some mixtape in 91 or 92 or some shit and people heard him, signed him, he makes a record and it gets dropped. I was talking about rap with an east coast head the other day (this guy is a CA resident though) and he was talking mad shit about the west coast and how west coast is fucking up. He was saying that the reason the east and south have it on lock is because as soon as anyone has some heat , a major label sets them up right and puts them out. Did it really go down that way? Did the elitist of the elite just see Nas was the next big thing immediately and immediately take the necessary steps to insure he got to do his thing? What is it about the hip-hop machine on the east coast that allows that to happen that isn't happening on the west coast?
My point is, I'm looking at nas and jay-z's debut fucking albums and they already have production from the most respected (arguably) producer on the east coast whereas by the time Xzibit hookd up with dre he no longer had that illmatic/reasonable doubt style hunger. why does dre, for example, jump on the production roster for the new heat 3 albums in while premier is lacing dope MCs in nY out the fetus?
do the big ec producers like primo listen to mixtapes more closely or diligently or what?
how come nas and jay z get primo and clark kent on their debuts and xzibit gets whoever the fuck produced 40 dayz and speed of life and crooked I gets a no albu? Didn't he write some shit for dre, dude can't give him a beat? you guys get what I'm saying? what is about our machine on the westside that doesn't allow the new heat to immediately get some fire from the greats and drop an album?
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Well 40dayz was produced by Sir,jinx!!!thats dres cusin.he got classic lps homie.dont act like u dont know.
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In my opinion, Terrace Martin could be one of the next great producers if he don't stick too long to Snoop as one half of this Niggarachi project. I think he has the right understanding of how a sound has a certain mass appeal and be hot at the same time. Really liked his work until now, didn't notice a club banger yet but besides that he brings heat.
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i'm not saying the cats who produce xzibit and other young west coast debuts aren't dope but Primo/Kent/Professor etc. are some of the biggest names on the east coast whereas noone was on xzibit's shit that would be known outside of CA, you dig?
I like sir jinx but having him stamp you is not equivalent to easy mo bee, large professor, pete rock, and clark kent stamping you on your debut record
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