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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on September 03, 2007, 09:27:56 PM
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First of all, I'm not hating on dude. He's put in over 20 years of hard work and has earned the right to say "fuck the music business" if he wants to. BUT, until he does that, he still has 20+ years of dedicated fans waiting for everything with his name on it.
In recent years, he pretty much hasn't done shiet. Now when he takes on a project we pretty much expect it to never come out. And if it does come out its either gonna have very lil input from Dre ("Curtis") or a bunch of mediocre tracks from Dre ("Encore"). I'm old enough to remember when the Dre joint was the best part of an artists' album, now he's getting outdone on albums ("The Big Bang"),
Someone needs to tell Dre to deliver or retire.
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Who outdid Dre on beats on The Big Bang. Lets not forget Dre is a PRODUCER, not just making beats. So he made alot of beat makers beats on that album tighter. I think his output of beats has lowered but he still drops quality material.
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I think dre is chillin at home watching reruns of Matlock.
but I could be wrong.
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he gave away some of his album beats on past projects.... maybe he's finally saving the best for himself? who knows.... but Dre at mediocre is still better than a lot...
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D~Nice has a point. He is an all round producer is a God when it comes to mixing and shit even though he now sucks a simple beat making (at least compared to his old shit).
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Imagine and Boss Life where my fav two songs on TBCT and i think he had some of the best beats on Jays album so i don't think he's completely fell off. His beats are just quite simplistic for his standard... Hopefully he's just lowering expectation so people's expectations lower. Like Aftermath Presents and The Firm did unintentionally.
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i loved Imagine.... its simple but its crisp and sharp in its sound....
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but Dre at mediocre is still better than a lot...
I completely disagree on that, there's tons of great producers out there.
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but Dre at mediocre is still better than a lot...
True, but he still ain't been droppin heat lately (except "Round Here", it was a fuckin monster)
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i never said that there aren't tons of great producers out there... but Dre does still sound better at mediocre than a lot of people...not everyone but a lot...
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Well a lot pretty much equals tons & imo Dre at mediocre sucks. His shit (lately) is just plain boring.
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Well a lot pretty much equals tons & imo Dre at mediocre sucks. His shit (lately) is just plain boring.
but the thing is ... once again.... I never said that there weren't tons of good producers out there. You made that part up....
All I stated was that are a lot of producers out there that Dre even at mediocre sounds better than...and that doesn't mean they suck also. There are just a lot of factors when you consider a song produced by Dr. Dre. The beat is just one factor... There is also the quality of sound in it's mixing... The direction given to an artist so that their words go hand in hand with the music...
Maybe what you've been hearing lately hasn't moved you...and I can see that especially since the standard that he has set for himself is higher than a mutherfucker.... but I've learned over the years to never count this guy out. When people count him out, he strikes.... and the same people that counted him out find themselves kissing his ass again... It's a cycle that has gone on since 87....
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dre fall off years ago... ...but alot of his shit is still dope and better than other producers work....like his production/mixing on snoop/busta/jay-z albums..these beats arent groundbraking but they good and mixed well....maybe he is saving his best shit for detox and one or 2 albums that will come out before it
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People overrates mixing ... Dre actually makes some beats sound better by adding elements here and there ... mixing and additional production are 2 different things ... as great as Dre is at mixing , he couldn't save these loud Just Blaze beats on Jay album which sound horrible in a great system ...
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Im at the stage, where Im having 0,1 % hope that Detox will be good, hence Dre dumbing his shit down, to make Detox that more spectacular.
The thing Im also pissed at is his presence on his own label artists. Excluding Eminem, he gives his label mates like 3,4 beats tops. Look at Timbaland, hes giving his artists 8,9 beats.
After Em, the only artists who had that Dre presence on the whole album, was Busta and that album turned out to be great. Its a shame.
I am having high hopes for Bishop though, he seems like the first rapper after Em and Snoop, to really bring that passion back.
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I think Dre is focussed on too many artists at one time. Thats part of why nothing ever comes out - that and his perfectionism.
HJe's still got it though - his beats on Big Bang and BCT were the sickest of 06
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The beats on BCT were boring. Okay, lets say Imagine was dope but Boss Life and Round The Way were zzzzzzzzzz.
Snoop murdered all tracks though.
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The beats on BCT were boring. Okay, lets say Imagine was dope but Boss Life and Round The Way were zzzzzzzzzz.
Snoop murdered all tracks though.
You didn't like Round Here?
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The beats on BCT were boring. Okay, lets say Imagine was dope but Boss Life and Round The Way were zzzzzzzzzz.
Snoop murdered all tracks though.
..well Opinions will Differ..but I figured They were Good New Musical Direction For Dre.
My Understanding of why u say is boring, is Cuz Perhaps Dre didn't really expand on the loops for those Tracks,perhaps??
Imagine was Nice!!
Boss Life Was Nice As well!
Round Here was, a good example,of How You can Use the same sample, but Flip it,to create sumthin New..IMO..
but i respect ya Opinion!
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The track is great but its Snoop who made it, not the beat. Again a simple looped beat.
Now somebody can say "but its a serious, dark track, thats why the beat should be simple." Where, there were times, when even the most serious, dark Dre beat, was very creative, with a lot of background elemetns. Sort of like what Timbaland\ Danja is doing now.
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The track is great but its Snoop who made it, not the beat. Again a simple looped beat.
Now somebody can say "but its a serious, dark track, thats why the beat should be simple." Where, there were times, when even the most serious, dark Dre beat, was very creative, with a lot of background elemetns. Sort of like what Timbaland\ Danja is doing now.
But Dre added alot of elements to Round Here. The piano keys, added bass. He made that song dark, which fit Snoop's style to a T. Simple additions to that loop but it changed the whole mood of the track.
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The track is great but its Snoop who made it, not the beat. Again a simple looped beat.
Now somebody can say "but its a serious, dark track, thats why the beat should be simple." Where, there were times, when even the most serious, dark Dre beat, was very creative, with a lot of background elemetns. Sort of like what Timbaland\ Danja is doing now.
Aiight..True!!
Perhaps if the Track had a lot of melodies, it wuld choke Snoop's Flow..perhaps?? :-\ ???
But Dre added alot of elements to Round Here. The piano keys, added bass. He made that song dark, which fit Snoop's style to a T. Simple additions to that loop but it changed the whole mood of the track.
I felt There were a lot more elements on this, than when Em Flipped it for his Track!!!
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Eminem pulled a Puffy with that track. He just jacked the whole thing including some of Dido's vocals. Like I said Dre added alot to that track. It took me a while to pick up on them but the more I listened to it, the more I picked up on the elements he added to it. The vocals samples in the hook, the organs, etc.
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Eminem pulled a Puffy with that track. He just jacked the whole thing including some of Dido's vocals.
LMAO
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Ive alwayz figured that Dido re-recorded her vocal for the "Stan" Track,No??
She appeared in the Vid..
Like I said Dre added alot to that track. It took me a while to pick up on them but the more I listened to it, the more I picked up on the elements he added to it. The vocals samples in the hook, the organs, etc.
yeah I've noticed that as well..
Would You have the instrumental D-Nice??
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Eminem pulled a Puffy with that track. He just jacked the whole thing including some of Dido's vocals.
LMAO
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Ive alwayz figured that Dido re-recorded her vocal for the "Stan" Track,No??
She appeared in the Vid..
Like I said Dre added alot to that track. It took me a while to pick up on them but the more I listened to it, the more I picked up on the elements he added to it. The vocals samples in the hook, the organs, etc.
yeah I've noticed that as well..
Would You have the instrumental D-Nice??
Nah as far as I know it's the same vocals and everything. I think he had her in the video as a show of her co-signing him using the track because she did not add any new vocals to the track. Nah I don't have the instrumental.
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Eminem pretty much gave Dido a career.
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Eminem pretty much gave Dido a career.
Eminem opened a new audience to that particular song. He was smart the way he did it because he released it around the same time the original dropped. People did not know if she was sampling from him or vice versa at first.
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his tracks on BCT were sick
his trakcs on Big Bang were sick
straight to the bank... i think it was produced by him.. was sick too
but i think he is savin the really crazy shit for his own album. and the really crazy tracks probably costs heaps of money.
but u cant compare it to the shit from doggystyle n chronic days...
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another shitty thread about dre!!! just lets wait the final product (DETOX)
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Damn, that's a fresh position to be in where cats is actually mad that you not out. That's live.
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another shitty thread about dre!!! just lets wait the final product (DETOX)
Man fuck the hell off. This nigga said lets wait for Detox. Yeah I guess the 4 year wait I went through wasn't enough. Just like this 8 year wait for Untouchable...I mean Say Hi to the Bad Guy...I mean Boss Music just isn't long enough for some cats.
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another shitty thread about dre!!! just lets wait the final product (DETOX)
Man fuck the hell off. This nigga said lets wait for Detox. Yeah I guess the 4 year wait I went through wasn't enough. Just like this 8 year wait for Untouchable...I mean Say Hi to the Bad Guy...I mean Boss Music just isn't long enough for some cats.
LMAO ;D ;D
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he dropped heat last last quarter (nas, snoop, Jay). he just may produce someone else similarly before years end
-T
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I dissagre Tanji:
Nas - Hustlers ---> nice beat but same shit as Come And Go and Get Low: its just a fucking loop :-X
Snoop: Imagine ---> dope
Boss Life--> boring
Round Here --> boring
Jay: Lost Ones --> nice
30 Something --> nice but sounds like a 2001 leftover
Trouble --> great melody but again, just a loop
Minority Report --> boring
Dont get me wrong, sadly these are still one of the best beats in 06.
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i guess it's just too subjective. i loved his TBCT work. hell, i even really liked the beats he did for Jay. and Hustlers was cool.
I ain't heard come and go yet, is the whole song out or just the clip?
and 'get low', even though I didn't like it, has some nice layers on it. I didn't think it was THAT simple. and sometimes simple is good.
-T
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Exactly. T hit it right on the head. It is subjective. T liked them, Timbo did not. Just like a host of other people. We could be here all day arguing who is right or wrong.
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His beats on TBCT showed that he's still capable of making dope music, but it doens't happen so frequently anymore.
...and LOL @ calling Dre's beats on Encore mediocre. Those were fucking garbage.
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His beats on TBCT showed that he's still capable of making dope music, but it doens't happen so frequently anymore.
...and LOL @ calling Dre's beats on Encore mediocre. Those were fucking garbage.
Rain Man was dome IMO. With a proper rap it would've been a cool trak.
With the beats Dre's been putting out in the last couple years I get the feeling he's searching for a direction to head with his sound. If I'm right, these tracks we've heard are just "practice". But, if I'm wrong, the Dre's just another name when it comes to beats. Among the top cats, yes, but not the supreme exalted one anymore. But I do think he's just practicing.
Mixing, though - he's still the man. He made Busta's "Been Through The Storm" what is is with his mixing.
Let's not forget the rest of the producing process besides making the beat though - he still coaches the artists on their lyrics, tells them how to flow and such. Why you think Snoop sounds so good on Round Here? And Snoop himself told us That's That Shit wouldn't have been what it was without Dre & D.O.C. giving directoins with the lyrics.
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i dont think he has fallen of...he did release some 'simple' material like Hustlers/Get Low/U Aint Goin' Nowhere for young buck, but he STILL has the deep,dark beats like Nightmares/Round here/Start From Scratch/the doc's advocate leftovers. i think his work on the big bang was superb, i mean the track with nas [forgot the name] was on some real gangsta shit
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Murder These Murderers was dope as fuck also.
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the beat for u ain't goin nowhere and all of dre's beats on encore except 'just lose it' were dope to me.
-T
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He's dropped 16 beats ( retail ) in 2006 and 2007, minus the work he did on Curtis.
Get You Some ( 5\5 ) crazy melody, great drums and really dope string arrangement during the hook
How We Do It Over Here ( 4.5\5 ) grew on me like crazy because the way he flips the beat during the chorus
Cocaina ( 5\5 ) really classy production, the keys are perfect and the strings are probably Dre's most epic in recent history
Don't Get Carried Away ( 5\5 ) flawless layering and the switchup during Nas' verse makes it classic
Legend Of The Fall Offs ( 3\5 ) never really felt this beat all the way, but I respect it's creativity
Boss' Life ( 4\5 ) Dre laid down a smooth beat, perfect for Snoop's flow. kinda gets better with age...
Round Here ( 5\5 ) sick beat...the background vocal keys when Snoop goes "they want that paper out here..." are unbelievably dope
Imagine ( 3.5\5 ) mainly piano driven, fits the song perfectly, just not one of my favorite beats from Dre
Lost One ( 4\5 ) see Imagine, but this gets a higher ranking because the drums are vintage Dre...maybe his best recent drum pattern
30 Something ( 3.5\5 ) this beat has a fun vibe to it, really well rounded
Trouble ( 3.5\5 ) tight drum pattern, not crazy about the melodies but the main loop is alright...sounds like Dre's tribute to Timbaland
Minority Report ( 5\5 ) really atmospheric, insane of Dre to take the bottom piano layer out so the melody sounds like it's floating
Get Low ( 4\5 ) catchy instrumental, really thick bass & drums and a nice little chord change towards the end
Hustlers ( 3.5.\5 ) not as much bounce as Get Low, but the two joints are very similar...this one bumps in its own way
Hold On ( 4.5\5 ) classy vibe to it, tremendous use of live horns and instrumentation, drums knock, chorus sounds great
U Ain't Goin Nowhere ( 4\5 ) more polished up than Imagine, beats gets a little better everytime I hear it...piano sounds great
All in all, I think he's dropped enough heat for me not to lose too much faith in his production. Still, he's not really hitting them outta the park like he used to.
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he can still make dope songs, no question to me, but it's been a long time since we heard a classic ALBUM primarily produced by Dre. maybe Big bang's the closest thing
-T
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he can still make dope songs, no question to me, but it's been a long time since we heard a classic ALBUM primarily produced by Dre. maybe Big bang's the closest thing
-T
100% agreed.
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its kinda sad that the worst beat on curtis was the only dre production :-\
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He's dropped 16 beats ( retail ) in 2006 and 2007, minus the work he did on Curtis.
Get You Some ( 5\5 ) crazy melody, great drums and really dope string arrangement during the hook
How We Do It Over Here ( 4.5\5 ) grew on me like crazy because the way he flips the beat during the chorus
Cocaina ( 5\5 ) really classy production, the keys are perfect and the strings are probably Dre's most epic in recent history
Don't Get Carried Away ( 5\5 ) flawless layering and the switchup during Nas' verse makes it classic
Legend Of The Fall Offs ( 3\5 ) never really felt this beat all the way, but I respect it's creativity
Boss' Life ( 4\5 ) Dre laid down a smooth beat, perfect for Snoop's flow. kinda gets better with age...
Round Here ( 5\5 ) sick beat...the background vocal keys when Snoop goes "they want that paper out here..." are unbelievably dope
Imagine ( 3.5\5 ) mainly piano driven, fits the song perfectly, just not one of my favorite beats from Dre
Lost One ( 4\5 ) see Imagine, but this gets a higher ranking because the drums are vintage Dre...maybe his best recent drum pattern
30 Something ( 3.5\5 ) this beat has a fun vibe to it, really well rounded
Trouble ( 3.5\5 ) tight drum pattern, not crazy about the melodies but the main loop is alright...sounds like Dre's tribute to Timbaland
Minority Report ( 5\5 ) really atmospheric, insane of Dre to take the bottom piano layer out so the melody sounds like it's floating
Get Low ( 4\5 ) catchy instrumental, really thick bass & drums and a nice little chord change towards the end
Hustlers ( 3.5.\5 ) not as much bounce as Get Low, but the two joints are very similar...this one bumps in its own way
Hold On ( 4.5\5 ) classy vibe to it, tremendous use of live horns and instrumentation, drums knock, chorus sounds great
U Ain't Goin Nowhere ( 4\5 ) more polished up than Imagine, beats gets a little better everytime I hear it...piano sounds great
All in all, I think he's dropped enough heat for me not to lose too much faith in his production. Still, he's not really hitting them outta the park like he used to.
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I think dre is chillin at home watching reruns of Matlock.
but I could be wrong.
nah, he's watching murder she wrote. he's that kind of man.
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I think he is just pacing himself..He'll be back on top, guaranteed. Just think of that next new Dre beat that awaits with Nate Dogg, Snoop, Cube , Eminem, etc..Just wait..
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I really liked "30 Somethin" too, sounded a bit like a Timbaland beat...
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I really liked "30 Somethin" too, sounded a bit like a Timbaland beat...
It sounded like a Quik beat to me with that extra bounce. Trouble was more Timbo-style. Both great beats tho, but having Jay-Z on them attracted a lot of hate.