West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Dre-Day on March 15, 2008, 01:56:32 AM
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i'm probably not the first one to bring this up, but i'm sure i'm not the only one who still wants to know how it works.
anyway, i understand that upcoming artists like Slim the mobster definately could use the help of a DJ like Clue to get his name out there.
but already established artists don't really need that; so the copyright protection, in the form of DJ Tags is not necessary anymore.
the tribute argument is not valid either; otherwise the established artists would only let the DJ introduce their mixtape/streetalbum or put the tags on each song at the beginning and the end.
i recently talked to Chad Vader about this, and we couldn't figure out so if anybody has a clue please contribute :)
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Well, I have a feeling these "dj's" were brought up listening to good hip hop, and as the pool of actual talent got smaller they felt they could be attached some "big" names by getting in the mixtape game...whether the fact that these are real "mixed tapes" and dj's are really doing their job is highly debatable, and lame, but there are enough suckers to buy into it.
however, back in the 70's and 80's dj's did a lot of tagging, however this was at live clubs and functions so they could get their name out. the fact that so called dj's still do it today on cd's is kinda selfish and useless, but hey, thats how most rap music is i guess. :-\
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Well, I have a feeling these "dj's" were brought up listening to good hip hop, and as the pool of actual talent got smaller they felt they could be attached some "big" names by getting in the mixtape game...whether the fact that these are real "mixed tapes" and dj's are really doing their job is highly debatable, and lame, but there are enough suckers to buy into it.
however, back in the 70's and 80's dj's did a lot of tagging, however this was at live clubs and functions so they could get their name out. the fact that so called dj's still do it today on cd's is kinda selfish and useless, but hey, thats how most rap music is i guess. :-\
but like i said before, established artists don't need the DJ's, they can just reject them.
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Well, I have a feeling these "dj's" were brought up listening to good hip hop, and as the pool of actual talent got smaller they felt they could be attached some "big" names by getting in the mixtape game...whether the fact that these are real "mixed tapes" and dj's are really doing their job is highly debatable, and lame, but there are enough suckers to buy into it.
however, back in the 70's and 80's dj's did a lot of tagging, however this was at live clubs and functions so they could get their name out. the fact that so called dj's still do it today on cd's is kinda selfish and useless, but hey, thats how most rap music is i guess. :-\
but like i said before, established artists don't need the DJ's, they can just reject them.
With the state of the music industry right now even the established artists need all the help they can get. The point of a tag is to show exclusiveness, so other people can't take credit for getting the song out there first that didn't. The DJ who tags it usually gets it out to you before an untagged version comes. If an untagged version is not available you are forced to listen to a version with a DJ tag over it until then. You're going to hear that DJ's name everytime you hear the song so it's great promotion. Don't they deserve a little something for getting you the song before everybody else?
I will say that sometimes DJ's go overboard with the tags. Also, DJ's who release mixtapes without actually mixing and blending songs are trash and a disgrace to the profession.
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I guess its all about contacts, ya cd can probably get distributed easily if it has a dj' name on it.
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Don't they deserve a little something for getting you the song before everybody else?
Definitely not.
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Don't they deserve a little something for getting you the song before everybody else?
I will say that sometimes DJ's go overboard with the tags. Also, DJ's who release mixtapes without actually mixing and blending songs are trash and a disgrace to the profession.
well i'm not saying that they shouldn't get credit, but:
the tribute argument is not valid either; otherwise the established artists would only let the DJ introduce their mixtape/streetalbum or put the tags on each song at the beginning and the end.
so unless the established artists really benefit from the network of the known DJ's i don't see why they would need them( and i said before, the copyright argument is not valid, because the established artists have other ways to protect that).
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It's a favor for a favor. Dj's benefit for having the big name artists on their tapes for recoginition and promo and the artists benefit because they can break or "leak" alot of singles out there to get a vibe or buzz. Many of them are singles the record label does not want them to use as a lead single. Now they could probably do it on their own but the appeal of having Skee or Clue or whoever leak it builds a bigger buzz. And the label usually won't say shit especially if it works.
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It's a favor for a favor. Dj's benefit for having the big name artists on their tapes for recoginition and promo and the artists benefit because they can break or "leak" alot of singles out there to get a vibe or buzz. Many of them are singles the record label does not want them to use as a lead single. Now they could probably do it on their own but the appeal of having Skee or Clue or whoever leak it builds a bigger buzz. And the label usually won't say shit especially if it works.
good points; so i guess going to a known DJ is cost efficient too? they can mix the record and protect the copyrights so the established artists don't need to arrange that?
perhaps it's just me, but is it proven that mixtapes really boost the sales of the retail albums of established artists?
i know that the promotion of a retail album goes to different channels than a mixtape, but still?
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It's a favor for a favor. Dj's benefit for having the big name artists on their tapes for recoginition and promo and the artists benefit because they can break or "leak" alot of singles out there to get a vibe or buzz. Many of them are singles the record label does not want them to use as a lead single. Now they could probably do it on their own but the appeal of having Skee or Clue or whoever leak it builds a bigger buzz. And the label usually won't say shit especially if it works.
good points; so i guess going to a known DJ is cost efficient too? they can mix the record and protect the copyrights so the established artists don't need to arrange that?
perhaps it's just me, but is it proven that mixtapes really boost the sales of the retail albums of established artists?
i know that the promotion of a retail album goes to different channels than a mixtape, but still?
Definitely. Mixtape only became a problem with the higher powers that be once record sales dropped. Especially with artists on majors because they felt the tracks they had on there were taking away from sales. That and most artists and DJs if they are selling the tapes split the profits between themselves. No label involved.
I am sure it is like anything else. Skee is not going to charge me the same price as he would Snoop. If he even charges. That and like you said the Dj can handle all the sound quality and other music related stuff, the artist just supplies the tracks they wanted leaked.
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Who makes money off mixtapes? Do the artist and DJ just split the profits 50/50?
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but like i said before, established artists don't need the DJ's, they can just reject them.
thats the weakest shit i ever heard....rappers would be nothing without the djs spinning their music. whether its in the club, radio or mixtapes. point blank. i dont mean to be so blunt about my opinion but it kills me when people try and act like the dj dont contribute nothin to the success of an artist, established or not. An established artist needs the mixtape djs to keep them poppin in the streets
and the tag lines....some niggas go overboard with that shit. but it is necessary cuz there are scandalous ass djs who will swipe a track off your mixtape (sfx and all) and toss it on his/hers.
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thats the weakest shit i ever heard....rappers would be nothing without the djs spinning their music. whether its in the club, radio or mixtapes. point blank. i dont mean to be so blunt about my opinion but it kills me when people try and act like the dj dont contribute nothin to the success of an artist, established or not. An established artist needs the mixtape djs to keep them poppin in the streets
and the tag lines....some niggas go overboard with that shit. but it is necessary cuz there are scandalous ass djs who will swipe a track off your mixtape (sfx and all) and toss it on his/hers.
nah you misunderstood my posts and no need to repeat what's already been said by others.
i understand that it's a favor for a favor like D~Nice explained, but i was saying that upcoming talents could really use the help of mixtape DJ's, while this isn't necessarily the case with established artists.
like i said before i can imagine that mixtapes can boost sales for established artists, but i doubt it's a requirement, since there are so many factors that decide how much an established artist' soloalbum will sell.
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mixtape dj's are def needed for additional exposure as they usually have the hookup to hiphop websites and retailors that rappers dont have too
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I got a couple of theory´s on this
-one could be that these DJ´s got a network of
street teams that hit the streets with the mix-tapes.
-It could be that this is actually a favor to the DJ´s,
the DJ´s can be their tour DJ and with getting their name on the mix-tapes they get a name,
this fame gets them gigs to play at clubs.
-the last one that usually comes up is that it´s there to prevent other DJ´s to use it as their´s.
Well,that was the theories.
Like you said a artist like
Slim could benifit from this but why Game,50 etc.?
They got a "brand name",even before they released a album,
all they could do is put the Aftermath stamp on it.
Or 50,Snoop,Jay-Z or who ever presents -ìnsert name of their new co-signed artist-
yeah there are no statistics. like i said before, i know that the mixtape DJ's promote through different channels than the label does for an album, so sure it will give some extra exposure for established artists, but let's say 50 won't do mixtapes anymore, i doubt it would really hurt his sales for his last soloalbum on interscope.
i'm sure The Game's sales for his last album could be boosted because of the mixtapes, but let's say he didn't do mixtapes, would he only go gold then with the Doctor's Advocate :-\ :P
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Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?
Probably not.
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I got a couple of theory´s on this
-one could be that these DJ´s got a network of
street teams that hit the streets with the mix-tapes.
-It could be that this is actually a favor to the DJ´s,
the DJ´s can be their tour DJ and with getting their name on the mix-tapes they get a name,
this fame gets them gigs to play at clubs.
-the last one that usually comes up is that it´s there to prevent other DJ´s to use it as their´s.
Well,that was the theories.
Like you said a artist like
Slim could benifit from this but why Game,50 etc.?
They got a "brand name",even before they released a album,
all they could do is put the Aftermath stamp on it.
Or 50,Snoop,Jay-Z or who ever presents -ìnsert name of their new co-signed artist-
yeah there are no statistics. like i said before, i know that the mixtape DJ's promote through different channels than the label does for an album, so sure it will give some extra exposure for established artists, but let's say 50 won't do mixtapes anymore, i doubt it would really hurt his sales for his last soloalbum on interscope.
i'm sure The Game's sales for his last album could be boosted because of the mixtapes, but let's say he didn't do mixtapes, would he only go gold then with the Doctor's Advocate :-\ :P
But Game is not your average artist on mixtapes. He is a beast on his mixtapes. Some of my favorites tracks from him. Creative control, it's something most do not have on a major. Mixtapes everything is fair game. 50 is going back to his roots now with them. With the diss tracks on Joe and premiering new tracks from the G-Unit album. If it is marketed properly it is a good setup for a artist's full length lp.
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Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
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Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
+1
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Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
+1
+1 right back 8)
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It's also a good way to put some tracks that did not make the album as well. Most are becoming albums almost.
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Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?
Probably not.
-ok,but in the state the mix-tapes is presentet now it's a no win situation for neither parties. The listeners hate them,while the DJ and artists get their name out there,it's at the same time bad promo.
"ooh it's that mix-tape with all that screaming,guns shots and shit on it,that shit is annoying... I can't listen to that shit,fuck DJ -insert name-..."
You hear shit like that all the time,shit like that can't be good promo,or?
Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
For sure,but no DJ's "read" that book :P :laugh:
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Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?
Probably not.
-ok,but in the state the mix-tapes is presentet now it's a no win situation for neither parties. The listeners hate them,while the DJ and artists get their name out there,it's at the same time bad promo.
"ooh it's that mix-tape with all that screaming,guns shots and shit on it,that shit is annoying... I can't listen to that shit,fuck DJ -insert name-..."
You hear shit like that all the time,shit like that can't be good promo,or?
DJ's probably don't give a shit. Those tags to them is what is going to separate their tapes from others. And most don't have signature skills like a Crazy Toones or a DJ Revolution or someone that once you hear that scratch or the way they flip a vocal sample, you KNOW who is the dj is. So most have to resort to that yelling and screaming.
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It's also a good way to put some tracks that did not make the album as well. Most are becoming albums almost.
Sure,but I rather see that the artists released those tracks officially on some kind of "left overs" type of albums.
But again in most cases that requires getting the record labels involved. Those b-sides and unreleased albums are a rarity now. Most would rather just throw them on a mixtape.
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DJ's probably don't give a shit. Those tags to them is what is going to separate their tapes from others. And most don't have signature skills like a Crazy Toones or a DJ Revolution or someone that once you hear that scratch or the way they flip a vocal sample, you KNOW who is the dj is. So most have to resort to that yelling and screaming.
Those words right there means;
Attenion all walmart DJ's step your game up. DJing is a art form,respect it!
EXACTLY
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It's also a good way to put some tracks that did not make the album as well. Most are becoming albums almost.
Sure,but I rather see that the artists released those tracks officially on some kind of "left overs" type of albums.
But again in most cases that requires getting the record labels involved. Those b-sides and unreleased albums are a rarity now. Most would rather just throw them on a mixtape.
I know what I'm asking is some what "impossible" in today's climate,but damn... Fuck the major's!
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let's not talk about the actual content of a mixtape, but more about the purpose :laugh:
Ok,let's move on...
-almost "everybody" hates the dj tags,but it seems they're here to stay.
But is there a way to tag them that both parties can live with?
Probably not.
-ok,but in the state the mix-tapes is presentet now it's a no win situation for neither parties. The listeners hate them,while the DJ and artists get their name out there,it's at the same time bad promo.
"ooh it's that mix-tape with all that screaming,guns shots and shit on it,that shit is annoying... I can't listen to that shit,fuck DJ -insert name-..."
You hear shit like that all the time,shit like that can't be good promo,or?
it really depends on the benefits of a mixtape for an established artist.
so if the benefits are not worth it to have the music tagged, then they must find another way to protect the copyrights and keep the costs as low as possible at the same time.
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we've heard complaints about the sfx......but we've gotten way more positive feedback on them thats why we continue to do it. it also sets us apart from any other mixtape dj out there. i know on animal planet the sfx were a little too loud. that was over two years ago so we have definetly refined out style. hate it or love it....we'll see you at the top!
thanks for the support & coppin Animal Planet!!!
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I will say that sometimes DJ's go overboard with the tags. Also, DJ's who release mixtapes without actually mixing and blending songs are trash and a disgrace to the profession.
Exactly man i agree with you 100000% i try not to tag my shit as much as possible and if any of you have heard my mixes you will see its limited i dont like the screaming over tracks i dont do it cause its annoying as fuck... and the only simple reason why i tag is cause i tag my blends so no one can use it and claim it as their own cause believe me ive had wack DJ's on myspace ask me if they could use a blend or scratch i did on a tape...i mean WTF be original and in saying that when you have free mixtapes online for download you need to make sure ppl know it was your work BUT to me theres a difference...
Over the years this is what has become.....
Mixtape- compilation most time of new/old tracks with DJ's wack screaming and tags non stop...useless alot of the times
Mix- new/old tracks mixed like its suppose to be with scratchin, beat breakin & blendin tracks....real DJ'n IMO
Street Album- Just songs that have less tags no effort from the DJ at all if ANY is involved...
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This little thing might move the convo on;
Dollars and Sense: Second Edition (Friday June 13th, 2008)
http://www.dubcnn.com/blogs/dollarsandsense/
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=183781.msg1877570#msg1877570
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People like free, but will it translate into sales?
By Eric Engelwood
So I had my iTunes on shuffle trying to come up with something to write about when it dawned on me:
The West Coast is at the forefront of marketing in the music industry. iTunes played me Crooked I’s Hip-hop Weekly #19.
That track was followed up by Bishop Lamont’s City Lights, which was followed up by Problem’s I’m toe up remix.
The West Coast is putting out quality music for free, so how will artists make money?
Will this tactic of "free music" pan out or will we see another generation of angry West Coast rappers shunned by the industry?
Think about it for a second: Crooked I put out 52 weeks of free music. That’s nearly four albums worth of free music.
Bishop Lamont has put out three album quality mixtapes in a little over a year.
Artists regularly put fully mixed and mastered tracks on Dubcnn, Lyay.net and countless other media outlets for free.
This is a brand new way of marketing and it’s time for artists to take advantage of this new model. Welcome to music 2.0.
Artists are building grassroots fanbases , but are they utilizing them accordingly?
In order to succeed, touring, direct to fan sales, and other revenue streams should be examined.
For every artist that puts out a track for free, there should a plan to make money behind it.
Will that track get that gets the club jumping translate into touring money?
Can you license that song about your favorite booze to the booze company for a commercial?
yeah i sometimes wonder that myself too; offcourse for us fans, free music is great, but sometimes i'm suprised by the huge amount of songs that are given away for free :P
so from a business perspective you have some good points.
i wouldn't mind to pay for a bishop lamont street album, especially if it's untagged & properly mixed(as long as it's sold at a fair price ;) not sure about the exact amount, but obviously it should not be more expensive than a regular album at the most)
though i wouldn't say that giving away street albums for free, hurts the sales of a retail album from those artists.
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Well, I have a feeling these "dj's" were brought up listening to good hip hop, and as the pool of actual talent got smaller they felt they could be attached some "big" names by getting in the mixtape game...whether the fact that these are real "mixed tapes" and dj's are really doing their job is highly debatable, and lame, but there are enough suckers to buy into it.
however, back in the 70's and 80's dj's did a lot of tagging, however this was at live clubs and functions so they could get their name out. the fact that so called dj's still do it today on cd's is kinda selfish and useless, but hey, thats how most rap music is i guess. :-\
but like i said before, established artists don't need the DJ's, they can just reject them.
With the state of the music industry right now even the established artists need all the help they can get. The point of a tag is to show exclusiveness, so other people can't take credit for getting the song out there first that didn't. The DJ who tags it usually gets it out to you before an untagged version comes. If an untagged version is not available you are forced to listen to a version with a DJ tag over it until then. You're going to hear that DJ's name everytime you hear the song so it's great promotion. Don't they deserve a little something for getting you the song before everybody else?
I will say that sometimes DJ's go overboard with the tags. Also, DJ's who release mixtapes without actually mixing and blending songs are trash and a disgrace to the profession.
ILL AGREE THERE IS TOMANY FOO THINK THERE DJS. CANT EVEN BLEND A TRACK...
BIG UP TO THE REAL DJS AND ARTIST WITH OUT THE DJ THERE BE NO HIP HOP. MIXTAPES ARE TRENDY ANYMORE.. I LIKED WHEN THE TAPES WERE ABOUT GETTING THE ARTIST EXOSURE AND THE DJS. NO DJS( FAKE ASS ONE) JUST WANT SOME FAME OFF OTHER FOOLS TRACKS.. REAL ARTIST KNOW WHO TO WORK WITH..
OUR JOB AS DJS IS TO GET THE MUSIC TO THE LISTENER AND BLAST THAT SHIT IN THE CLUBS... U ALL LOVE THE EXCLUSIVES BUT BITCH ABOUT THE TAGGS. WELL WAIT FOR THE ALBUM THEN AND BUY THATS SHIT . KILL THE BOOTLEGGERS@@@2
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The purpose of mixtapes is starting to evidently disappear as now since everyone likes to download and sit in their living room all day and visit datpiff.com there is no fucking regulation to the AMOUNT or QUALITY of mixtapes put out. People just upload to those free sites and consumers (ie: you guys) have 2 options:
1. Search through the 1,000's of "so called mixtapes" uploaded to free internet sites and stay at home in your own "comfort zone"
2. Go to the local record store or hip hop shop and take a look through the PHYSICAL pile of mixtapes (alw
You can notice that the serious and real mixtapes are the ones pressed up, with good looking graphics, and some even come in a fucking cd jewel case (not the slim ones). Nowadays your uncle can record 12 tracks over the Chronic 2001 instrumentals CD and open up a demo of Photoshop and put Dre's face + his face over a white background and upload it to those online sites and they post it up within the hour. That same bullshit mixtape is being put next to DJ's like Drama, J-Love, Finesse, Crazy Toones, Big Mike, Whoo Kid, etc who have all put in lots of time and effort to put together a real mixtape. Im not gonna debate whose a real DJ or who just likes to cut and paste with their own screaming in the background but the fact that somebody paid money to get it designed + pressed up means they spent that much more time working on it.
The ball is in your corner, the fans to determine what to do. You can try your hand online and dig through endless amounts of "mixtapes" with no idea of whats good and whats not or you can go to your local store and pop through the endlessly shrinking pile of DJ's who actually press their own shit up and distribute it. DJ's aint making money off datpiff or other stream sites, and the ones that do are seeing petty change in comparison to what there was 5 years ago coming from online mixtape vendors with physical product.
Oh and I quit making mixtapes 3 years ago but I've decided even with all the bullshit, its time to come back in a new and harder way so watch out for my next PHYSICAL mixtape coming in the fall.
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The purpose of mixtapes is starting to evidently disappear as now since everyone likes to download and sit in their living room all day and visit datpiff.com there is no fucking regulation to the AMOUNT or QUALITY of mixtapes put out. People just upload to those free sites and consumers (ie: you guys) have 2 options:
1. Search through the 1,000's of "so called mixtapes" uploaded to free internet sites and stay at home in your own "comfort zone"
2. Go to the local record store or hip hop shop and take a look through the PHYSICAL pile of mixtapes (alw
You can notice that the serious and real mixtapes are the ones pressed up, with good looking graphics, and some even come in a fucking cd jewel case (not the slim ones). Nowadays your uncle can record 12 tracks over the Chronic 2001 instrumentals CD and open up a demo of Photoshop and put Dre's face + his face over a white background and upload it to those online sites and they post it up within the hour. That same bullshit mixtape is being put next to DJ's like Drama, J-Love, Finesse, Crazy Toones, Big Mike, Whoo Kid, etc who have all put in lots of time and effort to put together a real mixtape. Im not gonna debate whose a real DJ or who just likes to cut and paste with their own screaming in the background but the fact that somebody paid money to get it designed + pressed up means they spent that much more time working on it.
The ball is in your corner, the fans to determine what to do. You can try your hand online and dig through endless amounts of "mixtapes" with no idea of whats good and whats not or you can go to your local store and pop through the endlessly shrinking pile of DJ's who actually press their own shit up and distribute it. DJ's aint making money off datpiff or other stream sites, and the ones that do are seeing petty change in comparison to what there was 5 years ago coming from online mixtape vendors with physical product.
Oh and I quit making mixtapes 3 years ago but I've decided even with all the bullshit, its time to come back in a new and harder way so watch out for my next PHYSICAL mixtape coming in the fall.
That is some real talk. I like the way you broke it down like that.
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The efforts of New Media like the Internet have changed way music is leaked now. Before if you wanted to reach a large amount of people with a record that wasnt gonna get love on radio, your only way to get the record buzzin on the streets was via mixtape DJ's. Now people hit up Hip Hop blogs and sites like DubCNN or The Smoking Section or SOHH 3x a day so why the fuck give a mixtape DJ an exclusive when you can leak it to all the blogs, more people hear the songs, and bloggers dont trip like djs do like "oh fuck you gave it to him first... :( Now making a profit on mixtapes is almost out of the question, you either can release your tape for free on the internet immediately or you can see it get bootlegged on there within the week...so you might as well embrace the change. Im still very in favor of PHYSICAL product because you cant duplicate the anticipation feeling/emotions when you drive to a record store and pick out a new CD and fork over the $5 or $10. Shit DatPiff is free but how do you regulate the quality of material?
I would say think of it this way. If some DJ offered to put his name on a project, arrange and MIX it (yes Im talking about real djs), and then to pay $$$ to press it up and then take the fucking time to drive around to stores everywhere and get it in stock...90% of the time that project has to be worth listening to at least 1x if that person has gone to that extent to support the project. Not many DJ's will go through that hassle of doing that, now you see the real bandwagon mixtape djs, the dudes that just put em out online on 3 sites and call it a day. No promotion, physical distro, or maintaining contact with the record stores/vendors to see how its doing...just upload and wish for the best.
But hey! 12 tracks with an interlude skit in the middle uploaded with a blank cover offered for free online, yeah thats fantastic!
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i'm probably not the first one to bring this up, but i'm sure i'm not the only one who still wants to know how it works.
anyway, i understand that upcoming artists like Slim the mobster definately could use the help of a DJ like Clue to get his name out there.
but already established artists don't really need that; so the copyright protection, in the form of DJ Tags is not necessary anymore.
the tribute argument is not valid either; otherwise the established artists would only let the DJ introduce their mixtape/streetalbum or put the tags on each song at the beginning and the end.
i recently talked to Chad Vader about this, and we couldn't figure out so if anybody has a clue please contribute :)
Its called "Promotion".
Spelt P-R-O-M-O-T-I-O-N.
Its to "Promote" 1s music to the public for the record sales 2 be higher.
Hope this clears it up 4 you.
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bump.....
why we bumping something from 4+ months ago?!
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bump.....
why we bumping something from 4+ months ago?!
why do people breathe?
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he s not in brazil chad....he s in the phillipines.....thought u knew....
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Muthafuckas gotta take a page outta the DJ Crazy Toones book and see how 2 fuckin DJ a song 8)
3 years later... Lunatic approved that Nik Bean raped a Knoc-Turn'al mixtape.