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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: eS El Duque on September 07, 2008, 10:36:29 PM
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If Pats do well this year...we can put to rest all the arguements about Brady being the shit 8)
Cuz if i remember correctly...a lot of ppl on dubcc (including me) believed that the Pats are just as good without Brady back in there....he aint the greatest motherfuckas
We get to find out this season. 8)
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no way are they JUST as good without him. Thats ridiculous. But I do agree, he's nowhere near the greatest.
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no way are they JUST as good without him. Thats ridiculous. But I do agree, he's nowhere near the greatest.
Is Cassel as good as Brady? I certainly don't think so, but I think a lot of that has to do with experience and getting to know a system. I don't expect over 30 TDs from Cassel and definitely not over 40. But I think, if he plays the full season, he can put up over 18 TDs and and over 3000 yards (BRady's first year coming in for an injured Bledsoe). Time will tell.
And the answer is a QB is only as good as the offense. Joe Montana on his best day could have walked into Miami and played last year and they'd still have been the worst team in the league.
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matt cassle = career backup
brady will look like god in comparrison
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/football/nfl/09/07/pats.brady.knee.injury.ap/p1.brady.jpg)
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im just a die hard boston hater 8)
So every week im gonna bring back this thread...and post up Matt Cassel's numbers
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thanks since i am the one of the only ones that is actually from the boston area. Cassell can't carry this team. I see Chris Simms coming in or Tim Rattay.
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THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
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THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.
Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.
I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.
Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.
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anybody here on this board can go 3-13 with that offense
cassell can go maybe 8-8 to 10-6
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anybody here on this board can go 3-13 with that offense
cassell can go maybe 8-8 to 10-6
And what IF he goes 12-4 or better? Just a question.
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anybody here on this board can go 3-13 with that offense
cassell can go maybe 8-8 to 10-6
And what IF he goes 12-4 or better? Just a question.
then Bill Belichick hired a new camera man
the "What if" game is fun to play, but some people on my radio station (remember I live in Maine, NE territory) were saying they'd be 12-4 WITH brady this year bc of the aging defense
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anybody here on this board can go 3-13 with that offense
cassell can go maybe 8-8 to 10-6
And what IF he goes 12-4 or better? Just a question.
then Bill Belichick hired a new camera man
the "What if" game is fun to play, but some people on my radio station (remember I live in Maine, NE territory) were saying they'd be 12-4 WITH brady this year bc of the aging defense
Exactly, that's why 12-4 this year would mean a lot. On last years with that division and that schedule I could have went 10-6.
You talk 8-8 or 10-6 like it's happened. It's only the What If game when it's fantasy. This season is still going on. Cassel made a play that won the game from the end zone (Moss had as much to do with it though), and Matt hasn't even practiced with the first team yet. Let's see how week 2 turns out before we predict the long stretch. They lose to the Jets and it's up in the air, but they walk over the Jets and Phins, and then beat the Chargers, and we got ourselves a ball game.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrROLWbtTzY
thats your guy?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrROLWbtTzY
thats your guy?
After seeing that, it's 13-3 or better.
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hahahaha
why do the Pats keep all these homosexual QB's on their roster
whats next, Mike Piazza?
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BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
but thats my point...the Pats wern't blowing out teams when they won their superbowl. They were winning close games. I think Cassel..sinces hes been Bradys back up FOR so long...can give the Pats a chance to win at the end of most games.
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THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.
Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.
I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.
Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.
yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..
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BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
They were winning close games.
thats the cameras for ya
this time its even
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THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.
Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.
I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.
Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.
yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..
Guys always made plays. Brady's "winning drive" in his first Superbowl only had 1 pass over ten yards. The other 2 or 3 were dump passes that added up to 30 or 40 yards. The point is that the Pats offense was capable of putting up around 4000 passing yards with out 1000+ WRs, like in '05, because of the style of offense they run. The Colts run a drop back semi-long pass offense and they always have either 2 1000+ guys or 1 1500 yard guy. They can focus on the same guy because they have a QB that can force it in. Brady's not that QB. For 4 years straight Harrison was the only go to guy on the Colts, and despite constant double teaming, he was putting up more pass yards than Moss did last year. When a team wanted to shut out Moss last year Brady just kept dumping it to Welker, Stallworth, or Maroney and that was enough to spread the D out and give Randy more room or Randy just got shut out like in the Ravens and Eagles games. Put Brady on the 99 to 03 Colts and you won't see 1000 yards for Marvin, and 1500 is out of the question. And certainly no Superbowls.
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THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.
Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.
I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.
Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.
yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..
Guys always made plays. Brady's "winning drive" in his first Superbowl only had 1 pass over ten yards. The other 2 or 3 were dump passes that added up to 30 or 40 yards. The point is that the Pats offense was capable of putting up around 4000 passing yards with out 1000+ WRs, like in '05, because of the style of offense they run. The Colts run a drop back semi-long pass offense and they always have either 2 1000+ guys or 1 1500 yard guy. They can focus on the same guy because they have a QB that can force it in. Brady's not that QB. For 4 years straight Harrison was the only go to guy on the Colts, and despite constant double teaming, he was putting up more pass yards than Moss did last year. When a team wanted to shut out Moss last year Brady just kept dumping it to Welker, Stallworth, or Maroney and that was enough to spread the D out and give Randy more room or Randy just got shut out like in the Ravens and Eagles games. Put Brady on the 99 to 03 Colts and you won't see 1000 yards for Marvin, and 1500 is out of the question. And certainly no Superbowls.
that last part is all speculation, brady can make every throw on the field, damn you got youre head so far up Peytons ass, you think Brady cant make the Same throws??? Ur nuts...
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THATS CRAP!! Maybe Cassell is just a good qb, doggy.
BRADY WON ALL HIS SB's without a 1000 wr, remember that before you run ur yap :-X
Everyone in the NFL is a good QB. Shit just to make the league you have to be in the top 100 in the world. But Cassel is a lifelong backup. And if a lifelong backup were to win when put on the spot, under pressure, that tells me the QB is not that important to that team.
Of course the Pats never had 1000 yard guys. They were never that kind of team. Marino was on horrible teams and had at times two 1000 yard WRs, and other teams did great with no 1000 yard guys. The Pats were a defensive team those years they won the big games. They'd get the ball back quick and have good position when they got it. And the Erhardt - Perkins system they ran meant the ball was distributed a lot. And Brady himself only had 2900 the first year and the 3500+ in the other two were like 2100 yards after the catch. The play-action screen pass system is designed so you don't need a QB with a monster arm, and a QB to force it in there.
I'd like to see a youtube video of all the passes Brady threw where he had to thread the needle. It'd probably be 3 seconds long. It's not Brady's fault that all these years his WRs are positioned to be wide open almost every play. But let's just see how he does in a season when they aren't.
Anyway, let's just wait and see how the season turns out. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if the Pats go down.
yeah right, they werent that kind of team, Before Moss and Welker got there the Pats had STILL thrown over 500 attempts the last like 3-4 years before that, he just finally had guys to make plays..
Guys always made plays. Brady's "winning drive" in his first Superbowl only had 1 pass over ten yards. The other 2 or 3 were dump passes that added up to 30 or 40 yards. The point is that the Pats offense was capable of putting up around 4000 passing yards with out 1000+ WRs, like in '05, because of the style of offense they run. The Colts run a drop back semi-long pass offense and they always have either 2 1000+ guys or 1 1500 yard guy. They can focus on the same guy because they have a QB that can force it in. Brady's not that QB. For 4 years straight Harrison was the only go to guy on the Colts, and despite constant double teaming, he was putting up more pass yards than Moss did last year. When a team wanted to shut out Moss last year Brady just kept dumping it to Welker, Stallworth, or Maroney and that was enough to spread the D out and give Randy more room or Randy just got shut out like in the Ravens and Eagles games. Put Brady on the 99 to 03 Colts and you won't see 1000 yards for Marvin, and 1500 is out of the question. And certainly no Superbowls.
that last part is all speculation, brady can make every throw on the field, damn you got youre head so far up Peytons ass, you think Brady cant make the Same throws??? Ur nuts...
When I see Brady make tight throws into coverage on the hands and thread the needle I'll agree he can do it. But when a QB avoids those throws for 7 years it's more than speculation to say he can't make the throws. In the same amount of time (first 7 years) Manning has 3000 more yards and 20 more TDs. It's like he's played a whole other season. Why? Because the Colts were a drop back gunslinging team that whole time. The Pats were a conservative screen pass team the past 7 years. Manning is in there to attempt throws 90% of the NFL QBs would get benched for attempting. Some of the time it leads to an INT. Much more so than if they played west coast. Brady's YACs are way more than Manning's. Colts would have to beef up the o-line so they can push the line and develop blocking backs and wide outs but they don't have that. There offense is based around the ability to run quick routes and put the ball where the defenders can't reach it. No up the middle power runs or screen pass after screen pass because that wouldn't work with that team. But that style doesn't win championships unless you got a D. As shown in the AFC Championship a few years back. It wasn't Manning alone that led the Colts back from 21-3. It was Indy's D that kept NE off the board until it was 21-21 and evened up the game. Manning didn't "win" anything that day. The Colts.
The Pats were like Shaq and the Colts were like Kobe. Except for NIK most would agree that Shaq was more valuable and better to have but no one would say Shaq has anywhere near the skills that Kobe has. Give Shaq's skills to a guy Kobe's size and he'll never make the league. Give Brady's skills to a team like the '98 Colts and he's getting cut in the first month.
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You are wrong, Brady threads the ball in there liek no other.
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Keep talking Hack, I guarantee the Pats shit on the Giants' record. Guarantee.
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You are wrong, Brady threads the ball in there liek no other.
And Shaq does the sickest crossovers in the game.
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Keep talking Hack, I guarantee the Pats shit on the Giants' record. Guarantee.
unless the PAts win a superbowl it's all for nothing
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Besides Manning(Peyton!...lookin @ you Hack) Brady cant be fucked with and it hasnt been close for years. Whens the last time a players been injured and it affect the entire league?
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Besides Manning(Peyton!...lookin @ you Hack) Brady cant be fucked with and it hasnt been close for years. Whens the last time a players been injured and it affect the entire league?
That's because Brady is big money. The league automatically lost ratings for the Pats/Colts prime time game they use every year to pull in big numbers. No one is doubting Brady's commercial value. I question his value to the team as far as winning games is concerned, and Matt Cassel will answer my question.
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they are both important...realistacly the offencive line is the most important when you look at facts but people font really look at that...
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Thats a joke, Shallow. Ive seen Brady rifle it into tight coverage PLENTY OF TIMES. Watch more, or get youre head out of Peytons Crotch ;D
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Thats a joke, Shallow. Ive seen Brady rifle it into tight coverage PLENTY OF TIMES. Watch more, or get youre head out of Peytons Crotch ;D
By plenty do you mean twice?
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Besides Manning(Peyton!...lookin @ you Hack) Brady cant be fucked with and it hasnt been close for years. Whens the last time a players been injured and it affect the entire league?
2008 osi uminyora
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Thats a joke, Shallow. Ive seen Brady rifle it into tight coverage PLENTY OF TIMES. Watch more, or get youre head out of Peytons Crotch ;D
By plenty do you mean twice?
if i meant twice id say that :-*
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Thats a joke, Shallow. Ive seen Brady rifle it into tight coverage PLENTY OF TIMES. Watch more, or get youre head out of Peytons Crotch ;D
By plenty do you mean twice?
if i meant twice id say that :-*
So then show me the threading of the needle passes, the fade rights in the corner of the end zone. I noticed this about Brady long before it became my mission to expose him. He doesn't have the touch. What he had all those years was the system. And last year he had what Manning never had ever; a WR in Moss that needed the ball thrown at him, not to him, to make a play. Wayne and Harrison don't have size. Those 50 yard tosses to Moss last year were horrible passes; jump balls that Moss just happened to win most of the time. And in the Superbowl at the end of the game when Moss broke free and beat the D by 3 or 4 years on that long ball, if Brady had Peyton's arm they'd have scored a TD because he would have been able to throw the extra 5 yards that were needed. And how many times was the ball just thrown high in the end zone and scooped up by Moss?
If Cassel puts up big numbers this year because Randy keeps making plays then it goes to show that Moss was the real MVP last year.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VzhiIHfnig
LOOK AT THAT FAKE AND THROW!!!
And look at play #8 right off the get go he throws a seed in between 3 guys to moss. And the first play he throws a perfect fade in the corner of the end zone to moss..GO AHEAD SHALLOW..WATCH AND SEE!! Play 7 he throws a seed on a deep out in the perfect spot to moss in the end zone, damn i can keep going..BUT JUST SEE FOR URSELF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp5riQzIuiM&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VzhiIHfnig
LOOK AT THAT FAKE AND THROW!!!
And look at play #8 right off the get go he throws a seed in between 3 guys to moss. And the first play he throws a perfect fade in the corner of the end zone to moss..GO AHEAD SHALLOW..WATCH AND SEE!! Play 7 he throws a seed on a deep out in the perfect spot to moss in the end zone, damn i can keep going..BUT JUST SEE FOR URSELF!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp5riQzIuiM&feature=related
Dude...sometimes i do think you're retarded (just playin)...you need to calm down...You just proved Shallows point. Moss can be thanked for keeping that endzone ball inbound. most of those plays the WR was wide open. Event he one in triple coverage...Moss had like a 4 step lead on all of them. only nice one was #4?
ANd hte first...how is that proving your point? Most QB's int he league can do that lmao...and agian..WIDE OPEN WES WELKER. you just fucked your arguement with the top 10 Cuz half of them is Moss wide open or jumping in the air over the DBs and keeping his feet inbounds for the TD...Brady can thank Moss
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Alright, i was just trying to prove the point that Moss has nothing to do with Bradys throws he doesnt make bradys arm more accurate, if you think that you are retarted. he had moss one year and Won 3 sb's...Thats a fact! Im very passionate about football so yes sometimes maybe i do need to calm down.. ;)