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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on May 24, 2009, 11:53:25 AM
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Just went to yahoo sports and I see this headline: Kobe Bryant followed LeBron James' big night with 41 points. The two seem intent on lifting their rivalry to new heights.
Rivalry? Lol. Yeah Kobe wanted to win the game just cuz Lebron won a game. These writers / journalist / analysis / bitches can't say more than 1 sentence without throwing LJ's name in there. I mean he deserves to be praised cuz the dude is playing in whole new zone right now but shiiiit.
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Have you seen how Kobe clowned the journalist when he asked him about Lebron in yersterday's postgame conference ? That was priceless
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yeah the media fuckin love to do that shit, they ask some of the random questions
now they gon call lebron one of the best as if nuthin happened in the past or as if he still doesnt have more work to do, but based off that 3 he made
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and by the way Magic is wack aswell ... he's getting too much in the hype and never stand up for his organization ... SMH at "Denver will take Game 3 " I'm glad Coop called him out
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Not really.
Just as Kobe is compared to LBJ, it goes vice versa. They are the two best players, deep in the playoffs, and there is a reasonable chance they will face each other in the finals. You know they don't care about the so-called "rivalry" as much as others, but that's just the way these things go.
And Lebron isn't called one of the best because of one shot. No one has ever had a 5 year run stats wise like him, he is second youngest to ever win an MVP, just finished second in DPOY voting, has already LEAD his team to a finals birth and is on the verge of doing it again, and has consistently raised his level of play in the playoffs from the regular season, and is right now playing on a whole nother level.
So fuck the "one'shot" theory, that is straight reaching
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haha i guess all 3 of them took denver but damn.....
well some are still takin denver
but fuck that, lakers lets get it
and by the way Magic is wack aswell ... he's getting too much in the hype and never stand up for his organization ... SMH at "Denver will take Game 3 " I'm glad Coop called him out
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Actually it's only in the USA that you guys dickride Lebron so much. Here it's clear Kobe is better, everybody admits it.
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^maybe if you didn't live where Kobe like grew up & where everybody wasn't his biggest fan you would hear something a tad different lol.
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yeah they givin alotta props to both out here
ima check wit my fam in other countries and see what they are sayin
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ive been sick of this for a while, never said anythin on here cus i knew it would come across wrong cus im a laker fan but damn. Every commercial, every time i look on the tv or anything its Lebron. I swear anyone else hits that game winner and its just a great shot but Leborn does it and now hes the best closer this game has ever seen.
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yeah thats what im sayin if someone else would have done it it wouldnt get the same support but ive been a king james fan from day 1 for real so its all good
ive been sick of this for a while, never said anythin on here cus i knew it would come across wrong cus im a laker fan but damn. Every commercial, every time i look on the tv or anything its Lebron. I swear anyone else hits that game winner and its just a great shot but Leborn does it and now hes the best closer this game has ever seen.
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They did the same thing when they followed eachother up with big games earlier in the year...so what. They are trying their hardest to build up hype in the hopes that they meet in the finals. I do agree though, there is no rivalry between the two. Lebron is the current MVP, end of story.
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LeBron is the man. Ive been tired of Kobe mania on DubCC since Shaq left. So what?
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^maybe if you didn't live where Kobe like grew up & where everybody wasn't his biggest fan you would hear something a tad different lol.
No. We simply don't have ESPN and shit like that. Man, Kobe is the most popular and loved player in the World. Face it. And his jerseys are the most sold all over the world. WORLD, not Italy.
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/uIr_8raqUyY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/IuIN7qiDvZs
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^^ i remember that shot sick shit
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/FTH2PqseGas
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Bron Bron > KB24 and KB8
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STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
LMAO @ your "Hail Mary" call. Do you know what a Hail Mary is? Thats like a bomb you throw from the other teams 20 yard line. That shot LeBron hit was far from a hail mary. It was like 2-3 feet behind the line, and he was set and released the shot with solid form. LMAO at all these Laker fans trying to downplay everything LeBron does... ::)
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^word.
i like how when LeBron hits a huge shot it's luck; Kobe does it and Laker fans call him the most clutch player ever. :laugh:
the bias is so thick you could choke on it!
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^word.
i like how when LeBron hits a huge shot it's luck; Kobe does it and Laker fans call him the most clutch player ever. :laugh:
the bias is so thick you could choke on it!
yep its pathetic!
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
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jayed...
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
stats dont mean shit. sorry if people like kobe more who the fuck cares, i swear u guys are more inlove then the kobe lovers. IT saddening.
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
stats dont mean shit. sorry if people like kobe more who the fuck cares, i swear u guys are more inlove then the kobe lovers. IT saddening.
LMAO @ "stats dont mean shit" I guess Mbenga is better than Kobe then what a fucking moron you guys will say anything to downplay LeBron....I bet if Kobe was leading Bron in those stats you dickwads would be the first to point it out...
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i remember stats meaning something when Kobe was all alone, literally; back when he was a ball hog & scored 33 a game.
i recall stats being everything then lol.
LeBron puts up the best stats since Oscar & now they don't mean shit.
60+ wins, led by a guy putting up 30, 8 & 7 a night doesn't mean shit? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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lol i really dont care haha, u guys just are adding to this sports section being a bunch of upset little girls catching feelings. Plant is a prime example, defending Lebron to the death, u sound like every other person that does that with kobe and you hate, just cause u think ur right dont mean ur right, that goes the same with the people that say that shit about kobe. Bunch of children up in here crying. Go out n get some fresh air.
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LMAO...it's funny how conveniently LeBron dickriders forget how bad he stunk it up in the clutch in BOTH GAMES VS Orlando. Even before he made that shot, he fucked up on 90% of his possessions and put his team in a horrible situation. Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back...
because he has no help, right? ::)
i count Mo Williams for the Cavs & it just about stops there.
Odom - "easily the sixth man"
Pau - "one of the best big men in the league"
Bynum - "will be one of the best bigmen ever!"
Farmar - "has the potential to be one of the great PG's"
now all that's thrown out of the window & Kobe is just doing it by himself lol.
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LMAO...it's funny how conveniently LeBron dickriders forget how bad he stunk it up in the clutch in BOTH GAMES VS Orlando. Even before he made that shot, he fucked up on 90% of his possessions and put his team in a horrible situation. Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo NIK what team did Kobe carry on his back in game 6 of the finals last year?
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back...
because he has no help, right? ::)
i count Mo Williams for the Cavs & it just about stops there.
Odom - "easily the sixth man"
Pau - "one of the best big men in the league"
Bynum - "will be one of the best bigmen ever!"
Farmar - "has the potential to be one of the great PG's"
now all that's thrown out of the window & Kobe is just doing it by himself lol.
what happened to LeBron making his teammates better? :-X
shit switched up REAL QUICK LOL
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
Kobe WAS known as the best closer. Not today. Like I said, just man up and enjoy the fact that LeBron is #1 now and Kobe is #2. Its going to be ok Elior, Kobe is still an amazing player, just not as good as LeBron. Go check it out and post it up, the best 4th quarter and OT players for the past 2-3 years. That would end your argument pretty quick.
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LOL @ Plant posting the only 2 clips where Lebron has ever got the best of Kobe. This nigga probably has an ESPN thong on under his dickies.
Matching stars
Kobe Bryant did his best to one-up LeBron James with his own big night vs. the Nuggets.
::) sickening.
wcsoldier I don't watch the post game conferences, what did he say when asked about Lebron?
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
Kobe WAS known as the best closer. Not today. Like I said, just man up and enjoy the fact that LeBron is #1 now and Kobe is #2. Its going to be ok Elior, Kobe is still an amazing player, just not as good as LeBron. Go check it out and post it up, the best 4th quarter and OT players for the past 2-3 years. That would end your argument pretty quick.
lol@"WAS known", as if Kobe isn't still in his prime. is that why the tnt announcers still refer to him as the best closer? youre such a dickridin moron...and youre not even a cavs fan. sad how you ever had the nerve to call me a kobe dickrider when you clearly slobber all over a dude who doesnt even play for your team. :grumpy:
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back...
because he has no help, right? ::)
i count Mo Williams for the Cavs & it just about stops there.
Odom - "easily the sixth man"
Pau - "one of the best big men in the league"
Bynum - "will be one of the best bigmen ever!"
Farmar - "has the potential to be one of the great PG's"
now all that's thrown out of the window & Kobe is just doing it by himself lol.
what happened to LeBron making his teammates better? :-X
shit switched up REAL QUICK LOL
but give him the Lakers cast when he was a rookie & he would have won every single year in the league.
that's what makes him most impressive, he has nobody and has to carry them & hope they hit shots.
Kobe has it made, he can be off & the Lakers can still win; because he has so much help.
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
Kobe WAS known as the best closer. Not today. Like I said, just man up and enjoy the fact that LeBron is #1 now and Kobe is #2. Its going to be ok Elior, Kobe is still an amazing player, just not as good as LeBron. Go check it out and post it up, the best 4th quarter and OT players for the past 2-3 years. That would end your argument pretty quick.
lol@"WAS known", as if Kobe isn't still in his prime. is that why the tnt announcers still refer to him as the best closer? youre such a dickridin moron...and youre not even a cavs fan. sad how you ever had the nerve to call me a kobe dickrider when you clearly slobber all over a dude who doesnt even play for your team. :grumpy:
Yo NIK I might have 100 posts regarding LeBron James because Ive acknowledged hes become the best player in the NBA. Its impossible to prove to this board, and you guys will never admit LeBron is better. But Im free to post whatever the fuck I want, just like you are. Difference is, you have about 20,000+ posts about Kobe. Now whos the REAL dickrider?
Now_I_Know aka "Post-Count"
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on the subject of media:
whats up wit stuart scotts eyes? (no homo)
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
Relax, man. They are just stats. Don't get it personal.
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
Relax, man. They are just stats. Don't get it personal.
exactly. ths dude actin like its obsurd to think kobe is better. fuck outta here man ::)
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The Mamba>>>>"King" James
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
stats dont mean shit. sorry if people like kobe more who the fuck cares, i swear u guys are more inlove then the kobe lovers. IT saddening.
lol Stats only matter when theyre in your guys favor. When they arent, you come up with this other nonsense about "who would you rather take the final shot at the end of the game?" lol Robert Horry, thats who. What you should remember though, is that this is an anti-Lebron thread...you are posting in it.
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
they dont. they realize he is a joke, but when he makes arguments for Kobe...none of the other Kobe lovers want to go against him, because they feel it will hurt their Kobe argument. Its like, everything else he says is nonsense...but when he's talkin Kobe Bryant....he makes complete sense lol
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Oh, and the reason why everybody here thinks Kobe > Lebron is easy:
STATS IN THE 4TH QUARTER BEFORE THE HAIL MARY TRIPLE.
1/6 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 REB, 4 TO.
you Kobe lovers will cling to ANY possible reason to love Kobe more then Lebron. Lebron could dominate in EVERY single stat...and youd say you like Kobe better because he has a prettier smile. Its ridiculous.
The reason why Kobes nuts are rode so much on Dubcc is because this is a Westcoast forum and a lot of outta towners love everything LA even when theyve never been there lol. The same reason so many people on here ride Snoops...Kurupts...Games nuts so much. The cool thing to do on Dubcc is have a crush on Kobe. lol
stats dont mean shit. sorry if people like kobe more who the fuck cares, i swear u guys are more inlove then the kobe lovers. IT saddening.
lol Stats only matter when theyre in your guys favor. When they arent, you come up with this other nonsense about "who would you rather take the final shot at the end of the game?" lol Robert Horry, thats who. What you should remember though, is that this is an anti-Lebron thread...you are posting in it.
Man EVERY SINGLE TOPIC in this board is pro-Lakers or anti-Lakers, pro-Kobe or anti-Kobe, pro-Lebron or anti-Lebron, pro-whoever-you-think-is-better-than-kobe-including-ron-artest or anti.
LOL i don't even read the titles of the topic anymore.
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I personally think Kobe > Lebron. Could i have this opinion without being labeled as a dickrider? We're talking about n.1 and n.2 in the game, not about Lebron vs Luke Walton, lol.
That said, i was just saying people in here consider Kobe > Lebron.
And people all over the world buys Kobe's jersey more than Lebron's one.
Kobe worldwide has much more respect and love.
Then somebody said it was because Kobe is half-italian, and i replied NO: it's because Lebron isn't clutch as Kobe is.
Posting some stats (check my sig too).
We can discuss about them, if you want. But if you think i'm a Kobe dickrider it's pointless.
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I personally think Kobe > Lebron. Could i have this opinion without being labeled as a dickrider? We're talking about n.1 and n.2 in the game, not about Lebron vs Luke Walton, lol.
yes, as long as you dont assume anyone who doesnt put Kobe at the to is a "hater" lol Kobe fans just seem to think its clear cut that he is the best in the world LOL. It isnt even clear cut if he is the best PERIMETER player right now. If it were, there wouldnt even be this debate.
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I have no problem with people saying Lebron > Kobe. You actually have 50% of chances of being right. lol.
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I personally think Kobe > Lebron. Could i have this opinion without being labeled as a dickrider? We're talking about n.1 and n.2 in the game, not about Lebron vs Luke Walton, lol.
yes, as long as you dont assume anyone who doesnt put Kobe at the to is a "hater" lol Kobe fans just seem to think its clear cut that he is the best in the world LOL. It isnt even clear cut if he is the best PERIMETER player right now. If it were, there wouldnt even be this debate.
Ye but on this board those rules dont apply, people take shit to heart way to easy. I mean u went outta ur way to post a million stats just to try and say that Lebron is better, n im sure u have said Kobe is a rapist along with half those other tools that no nothing about basketball that come and act like they kno shit as soon as the playoffs come around(not sayin thats u cause i know u follow the game). But i mean think about it if someone came on to the spurs forum and started saying ye Dwight is way better then Duncan anyday, u know what i mean. i mean im sure some would agree and some would still back Duncan even tho Dwight is clearly better nowaday( i use this example because this is basically a Lakers forum). But ye i dont know if i made any sense cause i kind of got side tracked but basically this Sports Section is fucked up, and people shouldnt take shit to heart like abunch of girls.
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I personally think Kobe > Lebron. Could i have this opinion without being labeled as a dickrider? We're talking about n.1 and n.2 in the game, not about Lebron vs Luke Walton, lol.
yes, as long as you dont assume anyone who doesnt put Kobe at the to is a "hater" lol Kobe fans just seem to think its clear cut that he is the best in the world LOL. It isnt even clear cut if he is the best PERIMETER player right now. If it were, there wouldnt even be this debate.
Ye but on this board those rules dont apply, people take shit to heart way to easy. I mean u went outta ur way to post a million stats just to try and say that Lebron is better, n im sure u have said Kobe is a rapist along with half those other tools that no nothing about basketball that come and act like they kno shit as soon as the playoffs come around(not sayin thats u cause i know u follow the game). But i mean think about it if someone came on to the spurs forum and started saying ye Dwight is way better then Duncan anyday, u know what i mean. i mean im sure some would agree and some would still back Duncan even tho Dwight is clearly better nowaday( i use this example because this is basically a Lakers forum). But ye i dont know if i made any sense cause i kind of got side tracked but basically this Sports Section is fucked up, and people shouldnt take shit to heart like abunch of girls.
wow nice post einstein wheeewwwwwww glad you cleared that up for me
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Kobe has it made, he can be off & the Lakers can still win
wtf? ???
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
Kobe WAS known as the best closer. Not today. Like I said, just man up and enjoy the fact that LeBron is #1 now and Kobe is #2. Its going to be ok Elior, Kobe is still an amazing player, just not as good as LeBron. Go check it out and post it up, the best 4th quarter and OT players for the past 2-3 years. That would end your argument pretty quick.
lol@"WAS known", as if Kobe isn't still in his prime. is that why the tnt announcers still refer to him as the best closer? youre such a dickridin moron...and youre not even a cavs fan. sad how you ever had the nerve to call me a kobe dickrider when you clearly slobber all over a dude who doesnt even play for your team. :grumpy:
Yo NIK I might have 100 posts regarding LeBron James because Ive acknowledged hes become the best player in the NBA. Its impossible to prove to this board, and you guys will never admit LeBron is better. But Im free to post whatever the fuck I want, just like you are. Difference is, you have about 20,000+ posts about Kobe. Now whos the REAL dickrider?
Now_I_Know aka "Post-Count"
damn, man...you just schooled me hard-core steez. PLANT in the buildin!
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
when the fuck did I say that? and even if I did say that, how many people thought LeBron would flop in the NBA? as if nobody had doubts. ::)
stick to baseball, tommy boy.
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
they dont. they realize he is a joke, but when he makes arguments for Kobe...none of the other Kobe lovers want to go against him, because they feel it will hurt their Kobe argument. Its like, everything else he says is nonsense...but when he's talkin Kobe Bryant....he makes complete sense lol
you're just mad cuz the spurs suck and you dont have as much knowledge as me in regards to b-ball. :-*
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
Kobe WAS known as the best closer. Not today. Like I said, just man up and enjoy the fact that LeBron is #1 now and Kobe is #2. Its going to be ok Elior, Kobe is still an amazing player, just not as good as LeBron. Go check it out and post it up, the best 4th quarter and OT players for the past 2-3 years. That would end your argument pretty quick.
lol@"WAS known", as if Kobe isn't still in his prime. is that why the tnt announcers still refer to him as the best closer? youre such a dickridin moron...and youre not even a cavs fan. sad how you ever had the nerve to call me a kobe dickrider when you clearly slobber all over a dude who doesnt even play for your team. :grumpy:
Yo NIK I might have 100 posts regarding LeBron James because Ive acknowledged hes become the best player in the NBA. Its impossible to prove to this board, and you guys will never admit LeBron is better. But Im free to post whatever the fuck I want, just like you are. Difference is, you have about 20,000+ posts about Kobe. Now whos the REAL dickrider?
Now_I_Know aka "Post-Count"
'A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.'
-Winston Churchill
c'mon people, it's impossible to have a rational discussion with NIK... He has no objectivity at all, particularily because he is so emotional about things like Kobe, Lakers or Israel...
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
they dont. they realize he is a joke, but when he makes arguments for Kobe...none of the other Kobe lovers want to go against him, because they feel it will hurt their Kobe argument. Its like, everything else he says is nonsense...but when he's talkin Kobe Bryant....he makes complete sense lol
you're just mad cuz the spurs suck and you dont have as much knowledge as me in regards to b-ball. :-*
sounds about right to me....All of S&E>>>>>>Nik's knowledge of basketball
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lebron is populair than kobe over here, but that's because a lot of youngsters play the game
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i hate all the fake lebron fans....they are only on his dick b/c he's kobe's competition.......they did it with shaq, wade, AI, T-mac, V.Carter, Clippers....it's crazy how kobe makes these haters act...i can never hate a player so much that I'll dickride his competition..
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i hate all the fake lebron fans....they are only on his dick b/c he's kobe's competition.......they did it with shaq, wade, AI, T-mac, V.Carter, Clippers....it's crazy how kobe makes these haters act...i can never hate a player so much that I'll dickride his competition..
On your list, all time
Shaq
Kobe
AI
LeBron
Wade
Vince
T-Wack
But LeBron King James is the greatest player on the planet right now, for real!
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melo>>bron
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melo>>bron
oh here we go ::)
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
they dont. they realize he is a joke, but when he makes arguments for Kobe...none of the other Kobe lovers want to go against him, because they feel it will hurt their Kobe argument. Its like, everything else he says is nonsense...but when he's talkin Kobe Bryant....he makes complete sense lol
you're just mad cuz the spurs suck and you dont have as much knowledge as me in regards to b-ball. :-*
your basketball "knowledge" is limited to Kobe... :grumpy:
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i hate all the fake lebron fans....they are only on his dick b/c he's kobe's competition.......they did it with shaq, wade, AI, T-mac, V.Carter, Clippers....it's crazy how kobe makes these haters act...i can never hate a player so much that I'll dickride his competition..
I dunno how many here consider themselves Lebron Fans. But I dont. Hes sick and all, but I wouldnt say Im a fan of his. Probably not even one of my top 3. What some of you Kobe dickriders fail to realize is that if you were not here to suck Kobe's dick on every thread and flood the forum with "Kobe's our man!!" threads...there would be hardly any mention of him on this board. People here arent blindly hating on Kobe. They are simply arguing with you dickriders. If there were a group of Shaq dickriders on the board, who had obvious homosexual mancrushes on Shaq...neutral people would argue with them. No one likes to hear how much you love someone over and over and over. Its annoying...and quite frankly, disgusting.
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melo>>bron
:camp:
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^one things for damn sure, Lebron is closer to Iverson/Melo/Wade/Dwight than he is to Bird/Kobe/Jordan/Kareem...
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Kobe carried the Lakers on his back in those victories and clearly proved he was still head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league. The media has you muthafuckaz in a chokehold.
Yo Dickwad go check out who has the best 4th quarter numbers in the past 2-3 years and post em up if you are so confident.
why do you think Kobe is known as "the best closer in the game"? huh?? even by the idiots who try claiming lebron is on his level, they still acknowledge KOBE as the best closer. man up and hop off.
Kobe WAS known as the best closer. Not today. Like I said, just man up and enjoy the fact that LeBron is #1 now and Kobe is #2. Its going to be ok Elior, Kobe is still an amazing player, just not as good as LeBron. Go check it out and post it up, the best 4th quarter and OT players for the past 2-3 years. That would end your argument pretty quick.
lol@"WAS known", as if Kobe isn't still in his prime. is that why the tnt announcers still refer to him as the best closer? youre such a dickridin moron...and youre not even a cavs fan. sad how you ever had the nerve to call me a kobe dickrider when you clearly slobber all over a dude who doesnt even play for your team. :grumpy:
Yo NIK I might have 100 posts regarding LeBron James because Ive acknowledged hes become the best player in the NBA. Its impossible to prove to this board, and you guys will never admit LeBron is better. But Im free to post whatever the fuck I want, just like you are. Difference is, you have about 20,000+ posts about Kobe. Now whos the REAL dickrider?
Now_I_Know aka "Post-Count"
'A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.'
-Winston Churchill
c'mon people, it's impossible to have a rational discussion with NIK... He has no objectivity at all, particularily because he is so emotional about things like Kobe, Lakers or Israel...
did you come in here to talk about basketball or me?
get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.
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Years ago when Lebron and Jordan Farmar were still in high school, elior said Farmar would be the better player. Why do people take elior serious ?
they dont. they realize he is a joke, but when he makes arguments for Kobe...none of the other Kobe lovers want to go against him, because they feel it will hurt their Kobe argument. Its like, everything else he says is nonsense...but when he's talkin Kobe Bryant....he makes complete sense lol
you're just mad cuz the spurs suck and you dont have as much knowledge as me in regards to b-ball. :-*
your basketball "knowledge" is limited to Kobe... :grumpy:
riiiiighhhhttttt
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i hate all the fake lebron fans....they are only on his dick b/c he's kobe's competition.......they did it with shaq, wade, AI, T-mac, V.Carter, Clippers....it's crazy how kobe makes these haters act...i can never hate a player so much that I'll dickride his competition..
I dunno how many here consider themselves Lebron Fans. But I dont. Hes sick and all, but I wouldnt say Im a fan of his. Probably not even one of my top 3. What some of you Kobe dickriders fail to realize is that if you were not here to suck Kobe's dick on every thread and flood the forum with "Kobe's our man!!" threads...there would be hardly any mention of him on this board. People here arent blindly hating on Kobe. They are simply arguing with you dickriders. If there were a group of Shaq dickriders on the board, who had obvious homosexual mancrushes on Shaq...neutral people would argue with them. No one likes to hear how much you love someone over and over and over. Its annoying...and quite frankly, disgusting.
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^one things for damn sure, Lebron is closer to Iverson/Melo/Wade/Dwight than he is to Bird/Kobe/Jordan/Kareem...
LBJ wasn't great last night, but not greeat for him is still 44 points and almost a triple double, not being completely invisible like Kobe was in game 6 last year in the finals, or Kobe was in Game 7 when they lost to the Suns.
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^one things for damn sure, Lebron is closer to Iverson/Melo/Wade/Dwight than he is to Bird/Kobe/Jordan/Kareem...
LBJ wasn't great last night, but not greeat for him is still 44 points and almost a triple double, not being completely invisible like Kobe was in game 6 last year in the finals, or Kobe was in Game 7 when they lost to the Suns.
LeBron hasnt been great in any of these 4th quarters vs. Orlando, which is another reason he still has a ways to go before he can even be mentioned with Kobe...
Kobe trying his hardest to get his teammates going in order to overcome blowout losses (PHX Game7, BOS Game 6)>LeBron stinkin shit up and forcing the issue in close games when he's needed most (this whole series)
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melo>>bron
:camp:
got a problem with Melo? dude cant be stopped and he doesnt turn the ball over in key moments like Lebron
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^one things for damn sure, Lebron is closer to Iverson/Melo/Wade/Dwight than he is to Bird/Kobe/Jordan/Kareem...
LBJ wasn't great last night, but not greeat for him is still 44 points and almost a triple double, not being completely invisible like Kobe was in game 6 last year in the finals, or Kobe was in Game 7 when they lost to the Suns.
LeBron hasnt been great in any of these 4th quarters vs. Orlando, which is another reason he still has a ways to go before he can even be mentioned with Kobe...
Kobe trying his hardest to get his teammates going in order to overcome blowout losses (PHX Game7, BOS Game 6)>LeBron stinkin shit up and forcing the issue in close games when he's needed most (this whole series)
Wow, perspective (bias) sure has a way of distorting people's views on the same events. To me, Kobe did NOTHING to try to stop the Celtics in game 6 last year, but I guess you saw differently.
Two different players, with fans who can't see the other side because of the obvious love for their own guy. Its all good, just the way it is
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
It's pathetic! Like seriously, who fucking puts up numbers like that!? Nobody! And gets hated on! If the rest of the Cavs even played DECENT they would have a better shot at winning some games. Orlando is playing great right now for real tho, Gota give them credit.
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
they would be UNSTOPABLE fuck I bet if they had Shaq right now they would be doing ALOT better
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Okeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyy..
Now go back to reality. Orlando (i say Orlando) is destroying them.
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^one things for damn sure, Lebron is closer to Iverson/Melo/Wade/Dwight than he is to Bird/Kobe/Jordan/Kareem...
LBJ wasn't great last night, but not greeat for him is still 44 points and almost a triple double, not being completely invisible like Kobe was in game 6 last year in the finals, or Kobe was in Game 7 when they lost to the Suns.
LeBron hasnt been great in any of these 4th quarters vs. Orlando, which is another reason he still has a ways to go before he can even be mentioned with Kobe...
Kobe trying his hardest to get his teammates going in order to overcome blowout losses (PHX Game7, BOS Game 6)>LeBron stinkin shit up and forcing the issue in close games when he's needed most (this whole series)
Wow, perspective (bias) sure has a way of distorting people's views on the same events. To me, Kobe did NOTHING to try to stop the Celtics in game 6 last year, but I guess you saw differently.
Two different players, with fans who can't see the other side because of the obvious love for their own guy. Its all good, just the way it is
what dont you get? kobe had no opportunity to beat the celtics in game 6 last year, cuz the whole team stunk it up collectively...kobe might be close to god, but he's not at the point where he can singlehandedly beat a team on both ends. Lebron had many opportunities down the stretch to do something big and he fucked it all up...dont u see the fuckin difference? seriously.
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
lebron replacing kobe on the threepeat lakers=no threepeat....1 title, 2 at most...not back-to-back, though.
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
lebron replacing kobe on the threepeat lakers=no threepeat....1 title, 2 at most...not back-to-back, though.
LMFAO!
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
lebron replacing kobe on the threepeat lakers=no threepeat....1 title, 2 at most...not back-to-back, though.
LMFAO!
somehow or another he HAS to realize how stupid he sounds lol. If someone wants to make an argument that Kobe is better then LeBron right now....fine. That argument can be made. Just like an argument can be made as to why LeBron is better then Kobe right now. But there is no question that LeBron is lightyears ahead of where Kobe was at this stage in his career lol
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.
so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?
but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to them
Fact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player.
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Hard to get involved when youre best player holds and holds and holds onto the ball. And Mo played good yesterday and game 2...
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
lebron replacing kobe on the threepeat lakers=no threepeat....1 title, 2 at most...not back-to-back, though.
LMFAO!
somehow or another he HAS to realize how stupid he sounds lol. If someone wants to make an argument that Kobe is better then LeBron right now....fine. That argument can be made. Just like an argument can be made as to why LeBron is better then Kobe right now. But there is no question that LeBron is lightyears ahead of where Kobe was at this stage in his career lol
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! LIGTYEARS AHEAD? LMAO. Kobe already won three titles at LeBron's age and was already compared to Jordan! He was playing amazing basketball, almost as good as he's playing right now...ROF@"Lightyears ahead"...wow.
Title 1 (age 21):
Shaq 29.7 PPG
Kobe 22.5 PPG
go down the list and no one comes close
Title 2 (age 22):
Shaq 28.7 PPG
Kobe 28.5 PPG
go down the list and no one comes close
Title 3 (age 23):
Shaq 27.2
Kobe 25.2
go down the list and no one comes close
Shaq and Kobe were a duo of a lifetime...people need to stop acting like Kobe was some supporting player in those championship seasons.. without Kobe, there is no threepeat...not even close. You cant replace Kobe with ANYONE on those teams...not even Jordan, cuz I dont see Jordan sacrificing and deferring to Shaq the way Kobe was able to in order to make it work.
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NIK, LeBron IS lightyears ahead of Kobe at 24. Go add it up homie. Look at the total points scored, total assists, total rebounds, blocks, steals whatever you want homie. And dont make excuses why Kobe is far behind in all categories.
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.
so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?
but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to them
Fact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player.
Cleveland has a great defensive squad and they were winning games all season long...they have an all-star point guard, premier defenders, and serviceable post presence....and the MVP(?). everyone was calling them the best team when they swept Detroit and Atlanta LMAO. the fact of the matter is, they're a regular season team ala Dallas 2006, Phoenix 2004-2008, etc. because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACe
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NIK, LeBron IS lightyears ahead of Kobe at 24. Go add it up homie. Look at the total points scored, total assists, total rebounds, blocks, steals whatever you want homie. And dont make excuses why Kobe is far behind in all categories.
do you realize that presenting this null argument only makes you look retarded? LOL. of course LeBron put up more stats, he didnt play alongside the most dominant big of our generation. :stupid:
Kobe was already referred to as "the best player on the planet" by Shaq after the 2nd title...
do us all a favor and go watch espn...ur input is useless.
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Hard to get involved when youre best player holds and holds and holds onto the ball. And Mo played good yesterday and game 2...
remember what my biggest knock on Cleveland was last year? their whole offense revolves around the ball being in Lebron's hands...it looks good on his stat sheet and it can win games in the regular season...but the fact that Lebron cant run a real offense is what makes the Cavs a GOOD team and not a GREAT team...PeACe
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because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACe
LMAO at LeBron "lacking killer instinct" thats HATE at its finest...dudes averaging over 40 a game...Hit a game winner at the buzzer to win a game in the series. Hit 2 free throws to send the game into OT the other night. Did you forget the Cavs were up 2 in that game with 6 seconds left? Until Rashard hit a great 3 pointer to put Orlando up 2. What about that fadeaway 3 he nailed falling out of bounds with time winding down? How is that NOT killer instinct?
NIK you are so full of shit its rediculous!! what a fucking joke!
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LeBron James first 6 seasons
Total Points = 12,993
Total Assists = 3,159
Total Rebounds = 3,307
Total Steals = 830
Total Blocks = 405
Kobe Bryant first 6 seasons
Total Points = 8,197
Total Assists = 1,579
Total Rebounds = 1,849
Total Steals = 533
Total Blocks = 253
There should be no argument that LeBron is FAR ahead of Kobe at this point
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because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACe
LMAO at LeBron "lacking killer instinct" thats HATE at its finest...dudes averaging over 40 a game...Hit a game winner at the buzzer to win a game in the series. Hit 2 free throws to send the game into OT the other night. Did you forget the Cavs were up 2 in that game with 6 seconds left? Until Rashard hit a great 3 pointer to put Orlando up 2. What about that fadeaway 3 he nailed falling out of bounds with time winding down? How is that NOT killer instinct?
NIK you are so full of shit its rediculous!! what a fucking joke!
do you know what killer instinct is? it's what makes a player take over the game and control the outcome when he's needed to step in. now, had lebron possessed this supposed killer instinct, he wouldnt be playing his worst ball when hes needed most (4th quarters)...Lebron, physically, is a beast. He also knows the game well....BUTTT killer instinct is something that comes natural and it's been the biggest knock on him ever since people tried comparing him to kobe...so to act like i just pull this shit out my ass only makes you look that much more clueless and ignorant, buddy.
did he hit big shots in this serious? no doubt...but every play is running through him, so he's either shooting it or getting the assist. against orlando in the clutch he's missed more shots than he's made and he's turned the ball over more than he's gotten assists...try laughing at that.
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LeBron James first 6 seasons
Total Points = 12,993
Total Assists = 3,159
Total Rebounds = 3,307
Total Steals = 830
Total Blocks = 405
Kobe Bryant first 6 seasons
Total Points = 8,197
Total Assists = 1,579
Total Rebounds = 1,849
Total Steals = 533
Total Blocks = 253
There should be no argument that LeBron is FAR ahead of Kobe at this point
OMFG! THAT MUST MEAN LEBRON WAS A BETTER PLAYER OH GOD!
do Jordan vs. Lebron, you idiot. LeBron still wins.
you're such a fucking idiot, i dont even enjoy debating sports with you. i seriously feel like im talking to a retard.
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how is he playing his worst ball in the 4th quarters? he had 10 points in the 4th quarter and the rest of the team had 11...Nailed those freethrow to send it to overtime...nailed that 3 falling outa bounds...you must have your kobe goggles on
I posted those numbers up for ya, since your insecurity of Kobe wouldnt allow you to do it yourself
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LeBron James first 6 seasons
Total Points = 12,993
Total Assists = 3,159
Total Rebounds = 3,307
Total Steals = 830
Total Blocks = 405
Kobe Bryant first 6 seasons
Total Points = 8,197
Total Assists = 1,579
Total Rebounds = 1,849
Total Steals = 533
Total Blocks = 253
There should be no argument that LeBron is FAR ahead of Kobe at this point
OMFG! THAT MUST MEAN LEBRON WAS A BETTER PLAYER OH GOD!
do Jordan vs. Lebron, you idiot. LeBron still wins.
you're such a fucking idiot, i dont even enjoy debating sports with you. i seriously feel like im talking to a retard.
yea LeBron wins vs Jordan too and theres a good fucking chance when its all said and done LeBron will surpass Jordan in terms of career numbers. Theres not too many dudes on this board that agree with any of your posts. Dont YOU feel abit retarded?
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how is he playing his worst ball in the 4th quarters? he had 10 points in the 4th quarter and the rest of the team had 11...Nailed those freethrow to send it to overtime...nailed that 3 falling outa bounds...you must have your kobe goggles on
I posted those numbers up for ya, since your insecurity of Kobe wouldnt allow you to do it yourself
so you somehow missed those huge turnovers in crunch time that cost cleveland the game? how bout those missed jumpers and forced drives to the basket? he stunk shit up in the 4th quarter in all 3 losses.
how can anyone support the way LeBron's been closing games in this series? even Cav fans are talking shit about that. :grumpy: @ your unfounded love for LeBron.
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LeBron James first 6 seasons
Total Points = 12,993
Total Assists = 3,159
Total Rebounds = 3,307
Total Steals = 830
Total Blocks = 405
Kobe Bryant first 6 seasons
Total Points = 8,197
Total Assists = 1,579
Total Rebounds = 1,849
Total Steals = 533
Total Blocks = 253
There should be no argument that LeBron is FAR ahead of Kobe at this point
OMFG! THAT MUST MEAN LEBRON WAS A BETTER PLAYER OH GOD!
do Jordan vs. Lebron, you idiot. LeBron still wins.
you're such a fucking idiot, i dont even enjoy debating sports with you. i seriously feel like im talking to a retard.
yea LeBron wins vs Jordan too and theres a good fucking chance when its all said and done LeBron will surpass Jordan in terms of career numbers. Theres not too many dudes on this board that agree with any of your posts. Dont YOU feel abit retarded?
wtf are you talking about? you use stats to prove LeBron is better when he didnt play alongside the most dominant player of our generation and youre asking me if I feel retarded? LOL. how does that work?
the biggest stat:
Kobe Bryant first 6 seasons:
3 titles
LeBron James first 6 seasons:
0 titles
:-*
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so if LeBron was playing with Shaq in his prime right now are you willing to say King James wouldnt have a few titles>?
Dont forget who the MVP was during those title years Elior....We all know it WASNT Kobe
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so if LeBron was playing with Shaq in his prime right now are you willing to say King James wouldnt have a few titles>?
Dont forget who the MVP was during those title years Elior....We all know it WASNT Kobe
Like I already said, LeBron and Shaq would equal a title or two, but not a threepeat...PeACe
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^why wouldn't they threepeat?
how could you tell that? :laugh:
if teams couldn't stop it the first two years, they wouldn't stop it for the 3rd year (esspecially if LeBron was only getting better).
think what you'd like though.
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^why wouldn't they threepeat?
how could you tell that? :laugh:
if teams couldn't stop it the first two years, they wouldn't stop it for the 3rd year (esspecially if LeBron was only getting better).
think what you'd like though.
cuz kobe's clutchness and huge fourth quarters was a deciding factor in our threepeat...no way lebron could take over games when they need him to the way kobe did. and who's to say that lebron's game would compliment Shaq's as much as kobe's did? kobe having a deadly jumper is part of what gave Shaq so much freedom down-low...and defensively, kobe was already an all-nba defender in the threepeat era....fact of the matter is, lebron and shaq woulda made a nice combo, but it wouldn't be no kobe and shaq...no way, no how.
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^why wouldn't they threepeat?
how could you tell that? :laugh:
if teams couldn't stop it the first two years, they wouldn't stop it for the 3rd year (esspecially if LeBron was only getting better).
think what you'd like though.
cuz kobe's clutchness and huge fourth quarters was a deciding factor in our threepeat...no way lebron could take over games when they need him to the way kobe did. and who's to say that lebron's game would compliment Shaq's as much as kobe's did? kobe having a deadly jumper is part of what gave Shaq so much freedom down-low...and defensively, kobe was already an all-nba defender in the threepeat era....fact of the matter is, lebron and shaq woulda made a nice combo, but it wouldn't be no kobe and shaq...no way, no how.
maybe they wouldn't have worked as well together, i know what your saying there.
but Shaq was the most dominate then & LeBron is the most dominate (unless you put Kobe in front of him lol) now. so my belief is just on pure skill & dominance alone the two could have done what Kobe & Shaq did.
but it's almost something non-debatable from both of our views.
we should start talking & making threads on the Laker/Magic Final; yeah that's right guys, i've given up on LeBron & the Nuggets aren't beating the Lakers in LA if it goes to 7.
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These NBA threads are getting really annoying with the whole Kobe vs. Lebron thing.
One day it's:
Cleveland have the best team in the NBA and Kobe has to do it all by himself
Next day it's
Lakers have the best team and Lebron has to do it all by himself
Not to mention that one day Kobe makes his poor teammates better and the next day it's Lebron that does that.
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First it was Kobe vs Jordan, then Kobe vs Carter, then Kobe vs T-Mac, then Kobe vs Nash, then Kobe vs Shaq, then Kobe vs Paul, then Kobe vs Artest, now Kobe vs LeBron. Next one will be Kobe vs somebody.
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^but the one after that will be LeBron vs. somebody & then LeBron vs. somebody else for the next ten of those. ;)
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^but the one after that will be LeBron vs. somebody & then LeBron vs. somebody else for the next ten of those. ;)
but until that day comes, ya'll need to hush up...PeACe
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Orlando gunna close it out tonight
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.
so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?
but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to them
Fact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player.
Cleveland has a great defensive squad and they were winning games all season long...they have an all-star point guard, premier defenders, and serviceable post presence....and the MVP(?). everyone was calling them the best team when they swept Detroit and Atlanta LMAO. the fact of the matter is, they're a regular season team ala Dallas 2006, Phoenix 2004-2008, etc. because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACe
I really like this Cleveland team, but their "all-star" PG is shooting 32.4 percent (22.2 from deep) for the series. I wouldn't pass to him at all. They have NO PREMIER POST DEFENDERS (Wallace is washed up, Ilgauskas is slow as fuck, Varejao is the best yhey have). They are too small to guard the Magic.
As for Lebron's killer instinct, he has shown throughout the last few years he is a big game player, but you of all people know an elite player can't do everything. Otherwise, how else can you explain Kobe Bryant in some of the biggest games of his career as a leader not even showing up?
Bottom line: even superhuman athletes such as Lebron and Kobe can't do everything for their team.
The Lakers are the longest, most talented team in the league and SHOULD win the title, which I have stated all year. I still don't get how they lost last year. Their line-up, top to bottom, is the best, and they are lead by a truly great player. I don't see how they don't win the title this year IF they play to their potential. Of course, that may be a BIG "IF"....
Just as Kobe fans can see no wrong with him when the Lakers lost in the past, LBJ fans are the same way. Why we can't all see this is beyond comical to me.....
Cavs by 15 tonight (Magic's shooting will be cold for a night)
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^but the one after that will be LeBron vs. somebody & then LeBron vs. somebody else for the next ten of those. ;)
but until that day comes, ya'll need to hush up...PeACe
the day has already come its here to stay captain nutrider
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I think we can all agree, once LeBron gets taken out this year, it's Kobe who won another year in the LeBron vs. Kobe argument. And if the Lakers win the title this year, look for Kobe to win it next year. If the Lakers win, I see a repeat next year, Kobe will finish his career with 5 rings, and in 3 years LeBron will surpass Kobe, so then we can hear LeBron vs. ______.
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
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i didnt hear any of this during rds 1 and 2. Magic are just a more complete team deal with it
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
Simple, to be the man, you have to beat the man, or wait until they retire like everyone did with MJ... lol
This year, the Lakers beat the Cavs twice, so they went 2-0 against them. The only reason LBJ got the MVP this year is because the Lakers haven't been playing good basketball since just before Bynum came back, so the Cavs surged late and the Lakers fell off and the Cavs ended in first place. Like Steve Nash, LBJ was the second best player, but many people that have the MVP vote aren't fans of Kobe, so just like MJ at the end of his career, usually the second best player gets the MVP trophy. The NBA has been pushing a Kobe/LeBron finals, and right now it ain't happening.
Side note, this article is very true about both. It's neither pro Kobe or pro LeBron, or anti either, but it mentions how we put an unrealistic standard on both just because we are looking for our next MJ.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=broussard_chris&page=MJShadow-090528
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^i feel with what your saying, but i still have to stand by my thoughts on your team shouldn't decide how good you are.
i'd label Iverson as one of the best, for those who don't agree you can say Karl Malone.
no rings, but still both are concidered two of the best.
btw, that's a dope article. ;) 8)
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.
so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?
but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to them
Fact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player.
Cleveland has a great defensive squad and they were winning games all season long...they have an all-star point guard, premier defenders, and serviceable post presence....and the MVP(?). everyone was calling them the best team when they swept Detroit and Atlanta LMAO. the fact of the matter is, they're a regular season team ala Dallas 2006, Phoenix 2004-2008, etc. because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACe
I really like this Cleveland team, but their "all-star" PG is shooting 32.4 percent (22.2 from deep) for the series. I wouldn't pass to him at all. They have NO PREMIER POST DEFENDERS (Wallace is washed up, Ilgauskas is slow as fuck, Varejao is the best yhey have). They are too small to guard the Magic.
As for Lebron's killer instinct, he has shown throughout the last few years he is a big game player, but you of all people know an elite player can't do everything. Otherwise, how else can you explain Kobe Bryant in some of the biggest games of his career as a leader not even showing up?
Bottom line: even superhuman athletes such as Lebron and Kobe can't do everything for their team.
The Lakers are the longest, most talented team in the league and SHOULD win the title, which I have stated all year. I still don't get how they lost last year. Their line-up, top to bottom, is the best, and they are lead by a truly great player. I don't see how they don't win the title this year IF they play to their potential. Of course, that may be a BIG "IF"....
Just as Kobe fans can see no wrong with him when the Lakers lost in the past, LBJ fans are the same way. Why we can't all see this is beyond comical to me.....
Cavs by 15 tonight (Magic's shooting will be cold for a night)
i just dont see how some people cant tell the difference between Kobe and LeBron...LOL.
why cant you impatient fucks just wait til LeBron accomplishes something meaningful before putting him on a pedestal?
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story. it's not like there's a huge disparity between Lakers and Cleveland as a whole. Lakers are a better team mainly because of Kobe. Cleveland minus LeBron have the better team defense and Lakers minus Kobe have the better team offense. it pretty much evens out...if LeBron cant win with this group when it counts most (a group thats been tearin shit up all season long) and Kobe can, why would it be so weird to you that the comparisons must stop? dont forget what the ultimate goal in this league is and dont forget what pushes a player over the top........that shiny stuff. 8)
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When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here?
Answer: Never.
its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
A bunch of losers since neither of them would make a free-throw. Kobe was the closers, even his biggest haters know that.
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
Simple, to be the man, you have to beat the man, or wait until they retire like everyone did with MJ... lol
yeah....but who is the man? lol There hasnt been a clear cut "man" since Jordan. That phrase only works if youre talking about Championship TEAMS now, and the Celtics are already out of it.
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
When has Kobe done it? Thats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lol
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.
not to mention, youre typically hearing over and over how Kobe has the better supporting cast. LeBron just knows how to get his teammates into the game better then Kobe does. They play better defense....why? Cus theyre involved in the offense lol
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.
not to mention, youre typically hearing over and over how Kobe has the better supporting cast. LeBron just knows how to get his teammates into the game better then Kobe does. They play better defense....why? Cus theyre involved in the offense lol
exactly
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.
not to mention, youre typically hearing over and over how Kobe has the better supporting cast. LeBron just knows how to get his teammates into the game better then Kobe does. They play better defense....why? Cus theyre involved in the offense lol
exactly
the thing is, you know how Kobe gets others involved? He just shoots less lol. His assists still arent impressive...he just shoots less lol LeBron is that guy who can score 40...but still put up 10+ assists.
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Lakers team now >>>> 3peat Lakers w/o Shaq.
if he can't do it now, then your argument is pointless.
to say Kobe lead them when Shaq average more points is nuts.
Thats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lol
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Lakers team now >>>> 3peat Lakers w/o Shaq.
if he can't do it now, then your argument is pointless.
to say Kobe lead them when Shaq average more points is nuts.
Thats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lol
In terms of talent they are but the talent level all over the league has gone up so its hard to compare the teams imo
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Lakers team now >>>> 3peat Lakers w/o Shaq.
if he can't do it now, then your argument is pointless.
to say Kobe lead them when Shaq average more points is nuts.
Thats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lol
In terms of talent they are but the talent level all over the league has gone up so its hard to compare the teams imo
well the 3peat team without Shaq would win like 45 games no matter who else is in the league lol.
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Here we go again ... Lebron has been the best player in these playoffs (though Kobe has been great too) , the numbers he's putting against Orlando are just INSANE ... I have no pb saying Lebron >>> Kobe because all I care about is my team the LA Lakers , not defending Kobe legacy or whatever ...I think everybody , Lakers ( more likely " Kobe " fans ? ) fans and others B-Ball fans need just to stop bringing this , there are a lot of more to discuss than Kobe and Lebron in these playoffs and in B-Ball in general ... and as great as they have played so far , they both need the rest of their team to step it up to win ..
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a big part of lebrons numbers...against orlando, is van gundy's strategy to have the OTHER guys beat them. it's the same strategy D'antoni used against kobe, and the same strategy the pistons used against shaq and kobe.
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and that's not to say that the OTHER guys on the team are horrible. i just look on the court sometimes and i don't see anything happening, i see lebron at the top of the key and four other cavs posted up stationary either at the three or somewhere away from the play watching lebron. it's the 2006-2007 lakers all over again
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yeah but dude is still shooting 50% from the field .. this strategy is working/good when you force the superstar to take a lot of shots to score 30+ on a bad % ... imo the number 1 of the Cavs in this series is not the role players shooting poorly , the real pb is their Defense .. Orlando has succeeded in making these series an offensive one , which is not Cavs style ... imo the inability to get stops down the stretch has been the NUMBER 1 reason of theirs struggle
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and that's not to say that the OTHER guys on the team are horrible. i just look on the court sometimes and i don't see anything happening, i see lebron at the top of the key and four other cavs posted up stationary either at the three or somewhere away from the play watching lebron. it's the 2006-2007 lakers all over again
I agree but this is bad/ lack of coaching ...
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melo>>bron
:camp:
got a problem with Melo? dude cant be stopped and he doesnt turn the ball over in key moments like Lebron
Do you seriously not feel stupid now?
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Lakers in Finals
Where is JAMES?
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Lakers in Finals
Where is JAMES?
Cavs were in the Finals in 2007
Where was KOBE?
You're a dumbass
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Being in the finals 2000,2001,2002,2004,2008,2009>>>>>>>>>>>>>being in the finals just 2007
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Here we go again ... Lebron has been the best player in these playoffs (though Kobe has been great too) , the numbers he's putting against Orlando are just INSANE ... I have no pb saying Lebron >>> Kobe because all I care about is my team the LA Lakers , not defending Kobe legacy or whatever ...I think everybody , Lakers ( more likely " Kobe " fans ? ) fans and others B-Ball fans need just to stop bringing this , there are a lot of more to discuss than Kobe and Lebron in these playoffs and in B-Ball in general ... and as great as they have played so far , they both need the rest of their team to step it up to win ..
On point. It's not about being the best player because it's not that easy to determine, it's all about the championship team. Kobe vs. LeBron is everywhere, whether it be Dubcc, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, and they have only played 2 games against each other this year. Both of these guys bring in a lot of bball fans because it's amazing to see top-flight athletes perform at this kind of level, but the media hype gets annoying quick. As these playoffs have shown, tough teams are pushing them to the limits, and David Stern's dream Finals scenario isn't guaranteed.
And for the post above, most of those years, LeBron wasn't even in the league, and he still might make it in 2009. People who are fans of 1 player or team try too hard to discredit the other player. They're both great.
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Being in the finals 2000,2001,2002,2004,2008,2009>>>>>>>>>>>>>being in the finals just 2007
LMFAO, Bron is 24 dude and has not played with Shaq in his prime
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
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^i feel with what your saying, but i still have to stand by my thoughts on your team shouldn't decide how good you are.
i'd label Iverson as one of the best, for those who don't agree you can say Karl Malone.
no rings, but still both are concidered two of the best.
btw, that's a dope article. ;) 8)
Iverson was a cancer
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
Though Shaq was taking up most the rebounds and the triangle evens out the assist, which is why even though Kobe has his high distributing games, he gets lower assist than LeBron because of that extra pass the triangle calls for. And it's not that much higher of a FG%
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
Though Shaq was taking up most the rebounds and the triangle evens out the assist, which is why even though Kobe has his high distributing games, he gets lower assist than LeBron because of that extra pass the triangle calls for. And it's not that much higher of a FG%
well what is much more?
i mean you being a Lakers fan, i know you didn't post these stats for LeBron's sake lol.
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
Though Shaq was taking up most the rebounds and the triangle evens out the assist, which is why even though Kobe has his high distributing games, he gets lower assist than LeBron because of that extra pass the triangle calls for. And it's not that much higher of a FG%
well what is much more?
i mean you being a Lakers fan, i know you didn't post these stats for LeBron's sake lol.
I post them to show facts, you come here, well Kobe's finals appearances are with Shaq, at 24 yadda yadda yadda. I maybe a Lakers fan, but I am not entitled to my own facts. Facts are facts, stats are stats, and I put them out there. Just like you, you are a Laker hater, and just because you hate the Lakers doesn't mean you can have your own stats. One thing I wish was true was that Shaq never left, 'cause if he would have accepted his new role as second option, the Lakers would have won more titles. BUT, it never happened so it doesn't count, because it's not facts. I'm not a Kobe Stan like my friend Sccit, I go by facts, and facts are simple. At 24, Kobe>>LeBron, more titles, more PPG, better 3P%, more MPG, and better at clutch shots, plus he won more titles at that time and had more playoff experience. Facts are facts, with or without Shaq, 6 finals appearances >>>> 1 finals appearances.
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^why's that?!? ???
that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.
just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?
yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?
lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?
if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.
i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.
it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. :laugh:
leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.
not to mention, youre typically hearing over and over how Kobe has the better supporting cast. LeBron just knows how to get his teammates into the game better then Kobe does. They play better defense....why? Cus theyre involved in the offense lol
exactly
the thing is, you know how Kobe gets others involved? He just shoots less lol. His assists still arent impressive...he just shoots less lol LeBron is that guy who can score 40...but still put up 10+ assists.
kobe leads the lakers in assists...he had 10 last night. lakers play a triangle offense, which is an equal opportunity offense. every play doesnt run through kobe the way cleveland does it when lebron runs the offense..why do you continue to make stupid remark after stupid remark? u gota stop that, homie.
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
Though Shaq was taking up most the rebounds and the triangle evens out the assist, which is why even though Kobe has his high distributing games, he gets lower assist than LeBron because of that extra pass the triangle calls for. And it's not that much higher of a FG%
well what is much more?
i mean you being a Lakers fan, i know you didn't post these stats for LeBron's sake lol.
I post them to show facts, you come here, well Kobe's finals appearances are with Shaq, at 24 yadda yadda yadda. I maybe a Lakers fan, but I am not entitled to my own facts. Facts are facts, stats are stats, and I put them out there. Just like you, you are a Laker hater, and just because you hate the Lakers doesn't mean you can have your own stats. One thing I wish was true was that Shaq never left, 'cause if he would have accepted his new role as second option, the Lakers would have won more titles. BUT, it never happened so it doesn't count, because it's not facts. I'm not a Kobe Stan like my friend Sccit, I go by facts, and facts are simple. At 24, Kobe>>LeBron, more titles, more PPG, better 3P%, more MPG, and better at clutch shots, plus he won more titles at that time and had more playoff experience. Facts are facts, with or without Shaq, 6 finals appearances >>>> 1 finals appearances.
you're just as much a "Kobe stan" (haters term for someone who appreciates the greatness of Kobe's game) as I am...dont let these fools get you, mdoggydogg.
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
Though Shaq was taking up most the rebounds and the triangle evens out the assist, which is why even though Kobe has his high distributing games, he gets lower assist than LeBron because of that extra pass the triangle calls for. And it's not that much higher of a FG%
well what is much more?
i mean you being a Lakers fan, i know you didn't post these stats for LeBron's sake lol.
I post them to show facts, you come here, well Kobe's finals appearances are with Shaq, at 24 yadda yadda yadda. I maybe a Lakers fan, but I am not entitled to my own facts. Facts are facts, stats are stats, and I put them out there. Just like you, you are a Laker hater, and just because you hate the Lakers doesn't mean you can have your own stats. One thing I wish was true was that Shaq never left, 'cause if he would have accepted his new role as second option, the Lakers would have won more titles. BUT, it never happened so it doesn't count, because it's not facts. I'm not a Kobe Stan like my friend Sccit, I go by facts, and facts are simple. At 24, Kobe>>LeBron, more titles, more PPG, better 3P%, more MPG, and better at clutch shots, plus he won more titles at that time and had more playoff experience. Facts are facts, with or without Shaq, 6 finals appearances >>>> 1 finals appearances.
you're just as much a "Kobe stan" (haters term for someone who appreciates the greatness of Kobe's game) as I am...dont let these fools get you, mdoggydogg.
LMAO... really. If you remember correctly, in 2004 I was taking Shaq's side in the Kobe Shaq beef, I would rather have had them together, and I didn't post anything positive about Kobe for a year after Shaq was traded other than to say I'm a Laker's fan and will support my team. It took me some time to get into the whole Kobe leads the Lakers deal, but I trusted the franchise that has been to more NBA Finals than any other team, and it was the right call. I'm by no means a Kobe Stan, but I think his the most complete player in the league and will get his 4th ring.
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
Though Shaq was taking up most the rebounds and the triangle evens out the assist, which is why even though Kobe has his high distributing games, he gets lower assist than LeBron because of that extra pass the triangle calls for. And it's not that much higher of a FG%
well what is much more?
i mean you being a Lakers fan, i know you didn't post these stats for LeBron's sake lol.
I post them to show facts, you come here, well Kobe's finals appearances are with Shaq, at 24 yadda yadda yadda. I maybe a Lakers fan, but I am not entitled to my own facts. Facts are facts, stats are stats, and I put them out there. Just like you, you are a Laker hater, and just because you hate the Lakers doesn't mean you can have your own stats. One thing I wish was true was that Shaq never left, 'cause if he would have accepted his new role as second option, the Lakers would have won more titles. BUT, it never happened so it doesn't count, because it's not facts. I'm not a Kobe Stan like my friend Sccit, I go by facts, and facts are simple. At 24, Kobe>>LeBron, more titles, more PPG, better 3P%, more MPG, and better at clutch shots, plus he won more titles at that time and had more playoff experience. Facts are facts, with or without Shaq, 6 finals appearances >>>> 1 finals appearances.
you're just as much a "Kobe stan" (haters term for someone who appreciates the greatness of Kobe's game) as I am...dont let these fools get you, mdoggydogg.
LMAO... really. If you remember correctly, in 2004 I was taking Shaq's side in the Kobe Shaq beef, I would rather have had them together, and I didn't post anything positive about Kobe for a year after Shaq was traded other than to say I'm a Laker's fan and will support my team. It took me some time to get into the whole Kobe leads the Lakers deal, but I trusted the franchise that has been to more NBA Finals than any other team, and it was the right call. I'm by no means a Kobe Stan, but I think his the most complete player in the league and will get his 4th ring.
ye just cause M is backing kobe and actually making valid arguements hes a Kobe stan??? All u Lebron stans are about just as worse as the Kobe ones, u act like Lebron is Light years ahead of kobe. And o ye remember, 'Crown then Now' Hahahahah
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
LMAO
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
to claim that you'd take lebron over kobe, especially based on those stats, is beyond retarded...considering the stats are similar, yet Kobe shared the offense with shaq and lebron didn't, your remark was hilarious....kobe has and always will be better than lebron. lebron lovers need to accept this already.
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at least Kobe can shake hands and congratulate the opposing winning team.... LeBron at 24 is Kobe at 12.
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at least Kobe can shake hands and congratulate the opposing winning team.... LeBron at 24 is Kobe at 12.
but still.....Kobe @ 26 raping chicks, cheating husband, thinking hes better without Shaq
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BTW, LeBron Mania is running wild....Its like the new Hulkamania. You better say your prayers and eat your vitamins, brother!
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cleared of rape... and who knows if LeBron is cheating on his girl or not? If we were to judge cheats then MLK Jr. would be villified.
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cleared of rape... and who knows if LeBron is cheating on his girl or not? If we were to judge cheats then MLK Jr. would be villified.
well....he obviously was cheating on his wifey with the white rape girl what a stand up guy
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Ok. He's a terrible husband which would be on point if this where a thread about spouses, but its about sports..... and on the court he is a good sport though...something that LeBron isn't.
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We should just judge these guys by what they do on the court, end of story.
I don't think anyone would ever say Kobe is a "good" sport, and obviously Lebron has shown he isn't either. However, up until this point, he has always been gracious in defeat (check what he said after losing to the Celts and SPurs).....dude is obviously pissed and he handled it extremely poorly.
Overall, both of these guys are likely egomaniacs and don't give a shit about you or I. SOme like Kobe's game, some like Lebron's, but lets leave it bball.
Kobe has the better team and will likely get a finals MVP for his great play throughout the playoffs, while LBJ got an MVP this year and had and did pretty much all that can be expected of him in the playoffs.
Both players are amazing, and really, everytime we discredit one, its only to make the other look better. Kinda sad really.....
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
to claim that you'd take lebron over kobe, especially based on those stats, is beyond retarded...considering the stats are similar, yet Kobe shared the offense with shaq and lebron didn't, your remark was hilarious....kobe has and always will be better than lebron. lebron lovers need to accept this already.
yeah, but Kobe & Shaq = 60 points & LeBron & Mo & Z = 60 points.
why does it matter if Kobe only passed it to one guy? lmao.
LeBron gets his whole team involved whereas the 3peat teams was just Shaq & Kobe with hopefully a little help from somebody else (even if they didn't need it lol).
LeBron's posted stats >>> Kobe's.
your really reaching with that one, esspecially your whole Shaq argument lmao.
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We should just judge these guys by what they do on the court, end of story.
I don't think anyone would ever say Kobe is a "good" sport, and obviously Lebron has shown he isn't either. However, up until this point, he has always been gracious in defeat (check what he said after losing to the Celts and SPurs).....dude is obviously pissed and he handled it extremely poorly.
Overall, both of these guys are likely egomaniacs and don't give a shit about you or I. SOme like Kobe's game, some like Lebron's, but lets leave it bball.
Kobe has the better team and will likely get a finals MVP for his great play throughout the playoffs, while LBJ got an MVP this year and had and did pretty much all that can be expected of him in the playoffs.
Both players are amazing, and really, everytime we discredit one, its only to make the other look better. Kinda sad really.....
Do you have anything to support that? I've never recalled Kobe just walking off and not congratulating his opponent after a playoff or finals lost. The whole "good" sport thing is being a professional about defeat - the opposite is being a "sore" loser.
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
to claim that you'd take lebron over kobe, especially based on those stats, is beyond retarded...considering the stats are similar, yet Kobe shared the offense with shaq and lebron didn't, your remark was hilarious....kobe has and always will be better than lebron. lebron lovers need to accept this already.
yeah, but Kobe & Shaq = 60 points & LeBron & Mo & Z = 60 points.
why does it matter if Kobe only passed it to one guy? lmao.
LeBron gets his whole team involved whereas the 3peat teams was just Shaq & Kobe with hopefully a little help from somebody else (even if they didn't need it lol).
wtf ??? that shit made no sense at all. I don't wanna go into that Kobe vs. Bron discussion (still think Kobe's better, even though Bron's amazing) but by that post you look like you got a low b-ball IQ. I'm just sayin...
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
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Ok. He's a terrible husband which would be on point if this where a thread about spouses, but its about sports..... and on the court he is a good sport though...something that LeBron isn't.
real talk.
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
so on point. People obvisoly dont understand basketball the triangle offense gets everyone involved, Kobe doesnt have the freedom bron does he doesnt just dribble the ball and make plays for people all game like Bron. Thats like saying one qb is way better then the other because he gets to throw the ball more...
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
lol not at all, Kobe's points when down when he had all the weapons in the world.
he had Shaq, all he gave the ball to was Shaq or he gave it somebody who worked it into Shaq.
now he has Gasol, Bynum, Odom & Fisher can shoot his ass off.
he doesn't need to do as much because the people around him are so much better than they were.
he becomes a decoy for defenses to double & then he kicks it out.
didn't he lead the league in scoring back in '06? or really close to the top; the year they had a shitty season, he averaged like 33 or some shit, right?
he got 3 new weapons in Odom, Gasol & Bynum & he averages 10 ppg less & that's because there all good.
Kobe scored 30 with Shaq because if Shaq didn't get it on that possetion it was Kobe taking the shot, whereas now Kobe shoots less because he has more than just one guy around him.
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
so on point. People obvisoly dont understand basketball the triangle offense gets everyone involved, Kobe doesnt have the freedom bron does he doesnt just dribble the ball and make plays for people all game like Bron. Thats like saying one qb is way better then the other because he gets to throw the ball more...
exactly
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
so on point. People obvisoly dont understand basketball the triangle offense gets everyone involved, Kobe doesnt have the freedom bron does he doesnt just dribble the ball and make plays for people all game like Bron. Thats like saying one qb is way better then the other because he gets to throw the ball more...
For real...It's not that complicated lol
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cleared of rape... and who knows if LeBron is cheating on his girl or not? If we were to judge cheats then MLK Jr. would be villified.
well....he obviously was cheating on his wifey with the white rape girl what a stand up guy
oh no!! my goodness, did he really do that?!?!
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
to claim that you'd take lebron over kobe, especially based on those stats, is beyond retarded...considering the stats are similar, yet Kobe shared the offense with shaq and lebron didn't, your remark was hilarious....kobe has and always will be better than lebron. lebron lovers need to accept this already.
yeah, but Kobe & Shaq = 60 points & LeBron & Mo & Z = 60 points.
why does it matter if Kobe only passed it to one guy? lmao.
LeBron gets his whole team involved whereas the 3peat teams was just Shaq & Kobe with hopefully a little help from somebody else (even if they didn't need it lol).
LeBron's posted stats >>> Kobe's.
your really reaching with that one, esspecially your whole Shaq argument lmao.
wow...what an idiot you are. LOL.
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Stats at 24 for both Kobe and LeBron
02-03 Kobe
GSP: 82 MPG: 41 FGP: .451 3p%: .383 RPG: 6.9 APG: 5.9 SPG: 2.2 PPG: 30.0
08-09 LeBron
GSP: 81 MPG: 37.7 FGP: .489 3p%: .344 RPG: 7.9 APG: 7.2 SPG: 1.7 PPG: 28.4
i'll take the higher FGP with more rebounds & assists with 2 less PPG in less time played. :laugh:
who wouldn't?
these people are such idiots...LMAO
LOL, why show misleading stats to prove a point when CLEARLY LeBron's are better? :laugh:
to claim that you'd take lebron over kobe, especially based on those stats, is beyond retarded...considering the stats are similar, yet Kobe shared the offense with shaq and lebron didn't, your remark was hilarious....kobe has and always will be better than lebron. lebron lovers need to accept this already.
yeah, but Kobe & Shaq = 60 points & LeBron & Mo & Z = 60 points.
why does it matter if Kobe only passed it to one guy? lmao.
LeBron gets his whole team involved whereas the 3peat teams was just Shaq & Kobe with hopefully a little help from somebody else (even if they didn't need it lol).
by that post you look like you got a low b-ball IQ. I'm just sayin...
LOL...no shit. ive seriously never seen someone so clueless talk about basketball like they know what they're saying
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lol i love it.
i say something & everybody's response is "wow, what are you talking about?" :laugh:
Ace tried to talk some sense & then when i gave my final response back (which makes perfect logical sense), it's just overlooked & i just get those "wow, son" replies.
this board is turning into a mockery. LOL.
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
lol not at all, Kobe's points when down when he had all the weapons in the world.
he had Shaq, all he gave the ball to was Shaq or he gave it somebody who worked it into Shaq.
now he has Gasol, Bynum, Odom & Fisher can shoot his ass off.
he doesn't need to do as much because the people around him are so much better than they were.
he becomes a decoy for defenses to double & then he kicks it out.
didn't he lead the league in scoring back in '06? or really close to the top; the year they had a shitty season, he averaged like 33 or some shit, right?
he got 3 new weapons in Odom, Gasol & Bynum & he averages 10 ppg less & that's because there all good.
Kobe scored 30 with Shaq because if Shaq didn't get it on that possetion it was Kobe taking the shot, whereas now Kobe shoots less because he has more than just one guy around him.
Kobe's 30 PPG with one of the most dominant big men ever > Bron's 28,4 PPG when the offense runs always through him
and I ain't sayin that those stats make Kobe the better player (I still think he is though) because on the real stats don't really mean that much, of course they mean something but you gotta look at everything from different angles you know.
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
lol not at all, Kobe's points when down when he had all the weapons in the world.
he had Shaq, all he gave the ball to was Shaq or he gave it somebody who worked it into Shaq.
now he has Gasol, Bynum, Odom & Fisher can shoot his ass off.
he doesn't need to do as much because the people around him are so much better than they were.
he becomes a decoy for defenses to double & then he kicks it out.
didn't he lead the league in scoring back in '06? or really close to the top; the year they had a shitty season, he averaged like 33 or some shit, right?
he got 3 new weapons in Odom, Gasol & Bynum & he averages 10 ppg less & that's because there all good.
Kobe scored 30 with Shaq because if Shaq didn't get it on that possetion it was Kobe taking the shot, whereas now Kobe shoots less because he has more than just one guy around him.
Kobe's 30 PPG with one of the most dominant big men ever > Bron's 28,4 PPG when the offense runs always through him
and I ain't sayin that those stats make Kobe the better player (I still think he is though) because on the real stats don't really mean that much, of course they mean something but you gotta look at everything from different angles you know.
what?! LeBron averages 8 assists a game! :o
sure the offense runs through LeBron, but he is dishing it more than Kobe.
2 assits is 4 points (given there not 3's).
putting LeBron at 32 (& winning 60 games) to Kobe's 30, who was either shooting or finding a way to work it into Shaq.
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^i would say that you had a low IQ in general lmao.
Lakers were just Shaq & Kobe, so the "Kobe scored that many points WITH Shaq!" argument isn't really a point at all; like it's some crazy to do.
if the whole game plan on every possetion is get the ball to Shaq or Kobe & let them either kick it out to a role player or just take it.
the Cavs get the ball to LeBron & he either takes it himself or creates a shot for somebody else & kicks it to them.
SO, Kobe & Shaq scored 60 together, the rest of the team scored 40.
LeBron scored 35-40 (40 when he is on) when he does his own thing & then dishes it to his teammates for another 60-70 points.
::) look if LeBron played with that Lakers team that had Shaq (one of the most dominant big men ever) he would get less touches, and I mean LESS, therefore his PPG would decrease and also having Shaq his RPG would also decrease. Cavs offense runs always through Bron and that Lakers offense ran primarily through Shaq and Kobe, mostly Shaq. why do you think Kobe, after Shaq left, went from having 35 PPG to like 28 now in the reg season, now he got Gasol and so on, he don't need to take that much shots as he had to and he gets less touches, the triangle offense runs primarily through him but not as much as Bron on the Cavs. get what I'm sayin? now if this happens with Gasol, when the offense ran through him and Shaq, mostly, to have 30 PPG is amazing. it's not that hard to get lmao
lol not at all, Kobe's points when down when he had all the weapons in the world.
he had Shaq, all he gave the ball to was Shaq or he gave it somebody who worked it into Shaq.
now he has Gasol, Bynum, Odom & Fisher can shoot his ass off.
he doesn't need to do as much because the people around him are so much better than they were.
he becomes a decoy for defenses to double & then he kicks it out.
didn't he lead the league in scoring back in '06? or really close to the top; the year they had a shitty season, he averaged like 33 or some shit, right?
he got 3 new weapons in Odom, Gasol & Bynum & he averages 10 ppg less & that's because there all good.
Kobe scored 30 with Shaq because if Shaq didn't get it on that possetion it was Kobe taking the shot, whereas now Kobe shoots less because he has more than just one guy around him.
Kobe's 30 PPG with one of the most dominant big men ever > Bron's 28,4 PPG when the offense runs always through him
and I ain't sayin that those stats make Kobe the better player (I still think he is though) because on the real stats don't really mean that much, of course they mean something but you gotta look at everything from different angles you know.
what?! LeBron averages 8 assists a game! :o
sure the offense runs through LeBron, but he is dishing it more than Kobe.
2 assits is 4 points (given there not 3's).
putting LeBron at 32 (& winning 60 games) to Kobe's 30, who was either shooting or finding a way to work it into Shaq.
if you don't get it what can I do? it is what it is, I don't even wanna get into that Kobe vs LeBron bullshit, I rest my case here. I was just explaining to you why Kobe's stats are better due to different facts, I ain't sayin those stats make him the better player at the age of 24 than LeBron at the same age and I ain't sayin that LeBron wouldn't have won the same amount of rings if he played in that Lakers team, nobody can state that or the opposite cause it just didn't happen, even though Kobe's the best player right now IMO. like I said, you gotta look at all the different angles, not just better stats but yeah...
when someone says Kobe has 3 rings people discredit him by using the having Shaq, one of the GOATs, argument but then when someone praises his amazing stats playing with one of the most dominant centers ever people always find a way to diminish what he has done.
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lol i love it.
i say something & everybody's response is "wow, what are you talking about?" :laugh:
Ace tried to talk some sense & then when i gave my final response back (which makes perfect logical sense), it's just overlooked & i just get those "wow, son" replies.
this board is turning into a mockery. LOL.
i'm not talking about this thread...i'm saying in general. ever since you started posting here you've been the most unknowledgeable dude in regards to basketball. easily. i'm not tryna talk shit, man, i just never see you saying anything substantial and most of the time what you say couldn't be more off...no hard feelings, dawg, i just think you should watch a lil more...PeACe
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lol i love it.
i say something & everybody's response is "wow, what are you talking about?" :laugh:
Ace tried to talk some sense & then when i gave my final response back (which makes perfect logical sense), it's just overlooked & i just get those "wow, son" replies.
this board is turning into a mockery. LOL.
i'm not talking about this thread...i'm saying in general. ever since you started posting here you've been the most unknowledgeable dude in regards to basketball. easily. i'm not tryna talk shit, man, i just never see you saying anything substantial and most of the time what you say couldn't be more off...no hard feelings, dawg, i just think you should watch a lil more...PeACe
LOL! too bad i don't support arguments for Kobe like i do LeBron or you would be calling me the best poster since yourself. :laugh:
your opinon is 110,000% biased, it automatically makes it invalid.
i won't front, you know your ball (more than me, i can admit); but when it comes to opinonated threads (90% of the threads in this section) your input means literally nothing because your always siding the same way, regardless of the situation & then hating against the opposition, regardless of who it is.
so if i'm "the worst", your not far off & you would hear it a lot more if you didn't have 80% of this board (who are Laker fans) behind your back, co-signing your shit just because it's pro-Laker.
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sure, i support the lakers and am very optimistic about our future as a ball-club...i think we have some of the best young talent in the league and the greatest player on the planet... but i dont consistently spit stupid shit that makes absolutely no sense just to support my team. if i say i expect the lakers to win, i really do...if i say i think Kobe is the best player, that's what i really think.
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i feel what nik is sayin
(and whether or not the lakers win or lose the finals they need to change some of their players IMO)
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lol i love it.
i say something & everybody's response is "wow, what are you talking about?" :laugh:
Ace tried to talk some sense & then when i gave my final response back (which makes perfect logical sense), it's just overlooked & i just get those "wow, son" replies.
this board is turning into a mockery. LOL.
i'm not talking about this thread...i'm saying in general. ever since you started posting here you've been the most unknowledgeable dude in regards to basketball. easily. i'm not tryna talk shit, man, i just never see you saying anything substantial and most of the time what you say couldn't be more off...no hard feelings, dawg, i just think you should watch a lil more...PeACe
so if i'm "the worst", your not far off & you would hear it a lot more if you didn't have 80% of this board (who are Laker fans) behind your back, co-signing your shit just because it's pro-Laker.
real shit lol. Laker fans just dont want to argue with him cus it might make it seem as if they are going against the Lakers. But real fans see things for what they are, not only what the want them to be. A real fan can call out his team (even its best player) when the team is playing like shit. Cheerleaders wont. This board is FULL of cheerleaders and not fans. There have a been a few cats who stand out, like el creepo, Jake at times, etc. who are willing to speak the truth even if it is a negative for the Lakers.