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Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 28, 2009, 09:33:10 AMQuote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 02:07:28 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 27, 2009, 11:55:59 AMQuote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to themFact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player. Cleveland has a great defensive squad and they were winning games all season long...they have an all-star point guard, premier defenders, and serviceable post presence....and the MVP(?). everyone was calling them the best team when they swept Detroit and Atlanta LMAO. the fact of the matter is, they're a regular season team ala Dallas 2006, Phoenix 2004-2008, etc. because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACeI really like this Cleveland team, but their "all-star" PG is shooting 32.4 percent (22.2 from deep) for the series. I wouldn't pass to him at all. They have NO PREMIER POST DEFENDERS (Wallace is washed up, Ilgauskas is slow as fuck, Varejao is the best yhey have). They are too small to guard the Magic. As for Lebron's killer instinct, he has shown throughout the last few years he is a big game player, but you of all people know an elite player can't do everything. Otherwise, how else can you explain Kobe Bryant in some of the biggest games of his career as a leader not even showing up? Bottom line: even superhuman athletes such as Lebron and Kobe can't do everything for their team. The Lakers are the longest, most talented team in the league and SHOULD win the title, which I have stated all year. I still don't get how they lost last year. Their line-up, top to bottom, is the best, and they are lead by a truly great player. I don't see how they don't win the title this year IF they play to their potential. Of course, that may be a BIG "IF"....Just as Kobe fans can see no wrong with him when the Lakers lost in the past, LBJ fans are the same way. Why we can't all see this is beyond comical to me.....Cavs by 15 tonight (Magic's shooting will be cold for a night)
Quote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 02:07:28 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 27, 2009, 11:55:59 AMQuote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to themFact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player. Cleveland has a great defensive squad and they were winning games all season long...they have an all-star point guard, premier defenders, and serviceable post presence....and the MVP(?). everyone was calling them the best team when they swept Detroit and Atlanta LMAO. the fact of the matter is, they're a regular season team ala Dallas 2006, Phoenix 2004-2008, etc. because LeBron is lacking what we like to call a killer instinct. Dunno if that's something he can develop, but that's always been one of the main things keeping him from taking it to the next level...PeACe
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 27, 2009, 11:55:59 AMQuote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.so when Kobe was getting 35 a game in the regular season but his team didn't win shit, what was the deal? It was all his teammates fault, right?but with Lebron, name one player who has played at all-star level in the playoffs on the Cavs. You say Ilgauskas is an all-star, but duide can't defend and can't even hit a jumper right now. West and Williams are shooting at about 30 percent in the series, so would you pass to themFact is, Cleveland is the worst TEAM (as in collection of players) left in the playoffs. They are too small (which I have said all along), don't have a skilled/athletic post player. They've had a good run, a great run this year, and could still win the series. But you better believe this team will add a bigger guard and a better post player.
Quote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.that only shows what a bad team player he is. LOL. the offense revolves around him and when it's clutch time (lebron suck time), the team finds itself in major trouble. when youre scorin that much and your team is still losing, you KNOW you're doin something wrong. hes been forcing the issue, and a true baskeball head would see this right off the bat.
When has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.
^why's that?!? that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao.
Quote from: PLANT on May 27, 2009, 11:06:52 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 27, 2009, 11:02:52 AMQuote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....Imagine what this Cavs team would be like, if you added Shaq in his prime to the team lol
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 27, 2009, 11:02:52 AMQuote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...they are obviously insecure about it since Kobe has never had those numbers in reg season or playoffs before. The only thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is they both been down in a playoff series like this before. Altho Kobe had Shaq and big shot Bob among others when he was 24....
Quote from: teecee on May 27, 2009, 10:50:17 AMWhen has a guy ever average 42, 7 and 7 on 50% shooting and gotten vilified like Lebron is on here? Answer: Never.its the inseurity of the Kobe lovers...
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 28, 2009, 03:54:02 PM^why's that?!? that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. Simple, to be the man, you have to beat the man, or wait until they retire like everyone did with MJ... lol
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 28, 2009, 03:54:02 PM^why's that?!? that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.
Quote from: Now_I_Know on May 29, 2009, 02:12:50 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on May 28, 2009, 03:54:02 PM^why's that?!? that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.
Quote from: PLANT on May 29, 2009, 02:56:03 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 29, 2009, 02:12:50 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on May 28, 2009, 03:54:02 PM^why's that?!? that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.not to mention, youre typically hearing over and over how Kobe has the better supporting cast. LeBron just knows how to get his teammates into the game better then Kobe does. They play better defense....why? Cus theyre involved in the offense lol
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 29, 2009, 03:00:45 PMQuote from: PLANT on May 29, 2009, 02:56:03 PMQuote from: Now_I_Know on May 29, 2009, 02:12:50 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on May 28, 2009, 03:54:02 PM^why's that?!? that's what i still don't get, i didn't understand it from the first time the "Kobe vs. LeBron" arguement was raised.just because the Lakers do better that means Kobe > LeBron?yeah sure Lakers > Cavs, i don't know many who would disagree that; but what does that have to do with Kobe or LeBron?lets say the Lakers take there series & the Cavs pull a miracle comeback, would you say Bynum > Dwight because the Lakers went farther?if anyone is really that deep into denial where they think if the Cavs sat LeBron & the Lakers sat Kobe & the two teams played & you honestly thought the Cavs stood a chance, your nuts.i would bet over a thousand dollars on the Lakers (w/o Kobe) against the Cavs (w/o LeBron); fact is LeBron does more than Kobe with less help around him.it has nothing to do with who wins rings & shit; otherwise i guess Robert Horry is one of the best PF's ever lmao. leading your team to a championship is the ultimate accomplishment...if LeBron cant do it, then he's no Kobe. end of story.well since SHAQ lead the Lakers to those titles....am I missing something? Has Kobe lead anyone to a title yet on his own? What LeBron is doing is far more impressive than anything Kobe has done in the post Shaq era.not to mention, youre typically hearing over and over how Kobe has the better supporting cast. LeBron just knows how to get his teammates into the game better then Kobe does. They play better defense....why? Cus theyre involved in the offense lolexactly
Thats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lol
Lakers team now >>>> 3peat Lakers w/o Shaq.if he can't do it now, then your argument is pointless.to say Kobe lead them when Shaq average more points is nuts.QuoteThats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lol
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on May 29, 2009, 08:02:04 PMLakers team now >>>> 3peat Lakers w/o Shaq.if he can't do it now, then your argument is pointless.to say Kobe lead them when Shaq average more points is nuts.QuoteThats like saying Pippen lead the Bulls to 6 titles lolIn terms of talent they are but the talent level all over the league has gone up so its hard to compare the teams imo