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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: MontrealCity's Most on June 12, 2009, 09:53:40 PM
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Props To the Pens for doing it.
Props To MAlking for Winning the Mvp
Props to Crosby for being the best all around player in the league and hopefully the haters can stfu
Props My hometown boy Maxime Talbot for scoring 2 goals in this game and having 4 the entire final
Props to my hometown boy M-A Fleury for hvaing a great offseason and boucing back after a badgame, also dude was questionned after the junior championships and again after not being the savior when he first came to pitsburgh.. FLeury what Roy was to the late 80s and 90s , what Brodeur was to the late 90s and the 2000s
Im a little sad for my boy Mike THerrien who got fired mid season. PArt of this stanley cup goes to him since he was coach of the Pens the last 4 years but also lets not forget he worked with the AHL team of WIlkes BArre for 2 years prior, spent a total of 6 years molding and teaching these young Kids.
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Great game, glad they won it. Fuck Det. winning again. Hossa got bit in the ass :laugh: Glad to see Crosby get his first cup. Also good for Bill Guerin.
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i love Sid The Kid!
i can't watch hockey, but when the Pens are on, i have to chime in just for a little for Sidney! 8)
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Congrats to the Penguins. 8) Fuck Detroit.
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Great game, glad they won it. Fuck Det. winning again. Hossa got bit in the ass :laugh: Glad to see Crosby get his first cup. Also good for Bill Guerin.
Why is everyone blaming Hossa and mad at him. And those bitch Penguins players think it's funny. They should be thanking him. If Hossa stayed there'd be no Satan, no Guerin, no Gill, and maybe a few other heart and soul vets that got Pit to the finals. They would have gone out in round 2.
Detroit on the other hand never would have mixed up the Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Datsyuk line and that alone would have finished Pit.
Every Penguins player and fan owes Hossa an aplolgy for ragging on him and a thank you for winning them the cup.
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Props to the Pens....odds stacked against them, but they persevered. Talbot was the shit last night, so was FLeury.
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Props to the Pens....odds stacked against them, but they persevered. Talbot was the shit last night, so was FLeury.
I disagree. There weren't many solid shots on goal all night from Detroit and Talbot scored on give aways. Games 4, 6, and 7 were simply Detroit dropping the ball. Pittsburgh showed me nothing to make me think they have a chance next year. Detroit will still be the clear favourite in 2010.
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Props to the Pens....odds stacked against them, but they persevered. Talbot was the shit last night, so was FLeury.
I disagree. There weren't many solid shots on goal all night from Detroit and Talbot scored on give aways. Games 4, 6, and 7 were simply Detroit dropping the ball. Pittsburgh showed me nothing to make me think they have a chance next year. Detroit will still be the clear favourite in 2010.
Wow...ok. You realize how few chances the Pens actually had last night, right? For Talbot to score two goals on that stage, the only two Penguins goals, was actually quite amazing. He isn't a scorer, but he capitalized when greater talents from both teams couldn't. Hockey is a game of mistakes, and Detroit made way too many uncharacteristic mistakes in the series. The Wings were seen to have all the forward depth, yet it was a guy like 3rd/4th line guy likeTalbot that delivered in game 7, and throughout the series.
As for Fleury, he made BIG sacves in ever series. He didn't have to stand on his head last night, as the Pens defense was great until hte last few mins of the third, but the save he made with a second left WAS a big one.
Detorit will be a favourite EVERY year. Sometimes they win or go far, and sometimes they lose in the first round like they did to the Oil in '06.
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Props to the Pens....odds stacked against them, but they persevered. Talbot was the shit last night, so was FLeury.
I disagree. There weren't many solid shots on goal all night from Detroit and Talbot scored on give aways. Games 4, 6, and 7 were simply Detroit dropping the ball. Pittsburgh showed me nothing to make me think they have a chance next year. Detroit will still be the clear favourite in 2010.
HOw many blocked shots did Pittsburgh have compared to the Wings? HOw about Fleury's breakaway save on CLeary? Thing is, the Pens beat Detroit with Crosby and Malkin not scoring in the final three games. I DO think that Detroit would have been better with a healthy Datsyuk, but still......if the Pens showed you "nothing" as you say, then I guess you fail to realize that Crosby is only 21, Malking 22, Fleury 24, and Stall 20. Only gonna get better...
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Yeah this team is a dynastie, all the guys you just menionned are all sigend so unless the cap goes down( yes i kow its suppose too) then this team will be it for years... i predict right now
Pitsburgh over Chicago in 6 next year.
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Teecee, you're only reiteratinng my point. Detroit beat themselves. I'll give credit to the blocked shots. Pit played decent D but none of that would have mattered if the Wings simply played like they were supposed to. The passes were off and the shots were rushed when they didn't need to be. It's like they were nervous, which doesn't seem possible since they were all there last year. Osgood outplayed Fleury every step of the way in this series. It's not hard to save shots aimed at your chest when no one is around to get a rebound.
How many times this series did you see a Wings forward with time to spare shoot impulsively at Fleury's chest? It was pathetic.
Cleary had the break and shot a half assed backhand into the pads. (he was also homerun slashed to the arm while doing it but whatever)
I just want someone in that organization to tell me why after game 6 and the huge missed opportunities and lack of chemistry Babcock didn't go back to the winning line 1 of Zetterberg, Holmsrtom and Datsyuk? Hossa wasn't setting up shit in front of the net. He'd be better off with Cleary.
Yeah, the young guys are all coming back, but the young didn't do shit when it counted. It was all the old vets trying like their lives depended on it to win that cup and all of them are probably gone by next month.
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ya wat irony for Hossa lol, sells out then loses the cup to his old team. Shallow u taking this all a little personal, u a detriot fan or wat.
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It would of been one thing for him to lose in the finals to say Boston but to lose against Pitsburgh and to come up scorless... ouch
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ya wat irony for Hossa lol, sells out then loses the cup to his old team. Shallow u taking this all a little personal, u a detriot fan or wat.
That's pretty obvious isn't it. I brought out my 1996 Mike Vernon Jersey for nothing.
That being said; oveer the years when Detroit is outplayed by a better team I can admit that. When they fuck up themselves by screwing around and lose to a lesser team, that's when I get upset.
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A lesser team tho?? realy ? I mean i think these two teams are pretty equal since detroit won last year, pitsburgh this year... will see if they showdown next year.
And why cant the Nhl open with a Detroit Vs Pitsburgh prime time game on say a wensday night top kick off the Nhl season .. that would be great.
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A lesser team tho?? realy ? I mean i think these two teams are pretty equal since detroit won last year, pitsburgh this year... will see if they showdown next year.
And why cant the Nhl open with a Detroit Vs Pitsburgh prime time game on say a wensday night top kick off the Nhl season .. that would be great.
On paper they were equal. In reality Pit played their asses off and won by making very little mistakes while Detroit played sloppy in all but 1 game. It was simply out of character. Crosby and Malkin were shut down by strogn defense. Hossa, Zetterberg, Cleary, etc were shut down by themselves. You're Dan Cleary you have a breakaway on the goalie and all you do try and shove it in his pad? It was pathetic. I do think datsyuk was more injured than he let on and having him heallthy for game 3 may have been the series, but whatever. I'm still amped up for next year and I wouldn't be if I was a Pens fan. If Hossa leaves Cleary goes back to line 2 and Holmstrom goes back with Dat and Zet and that's the killer line right there. Datsyuk holds the puck with his stick handling and then either shoots or distributes to an open Zetterberg while Holmstrom's in front blocking the goalie. It's such an easy strategy I don't get why they strayed from it.
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A lesser team tho?? realy ? I mean i think these two teams are pretty equal since detroit won last year, pitsburgh this year... will see if they showdown next year.
And why cant the Nhl open with a Detroit Vs Pitsburgh prime time game on say a wensday night top kick off the Nhl season .. that would be great.
On paper they were equal. In reality Pit played their asses off and won by making very little mistakes while Detroit played sloppy in all but 1 game. It was simply out of character. Crosby and Malkin were shut down by strogn defense. Hossa, Zetterberg, Cleary, etc were shut down by themselves. You're Dan Cleary you have a breakaway on the goalie and all you do try and shove it in his pad? It was pathetic. I do think datsyuk was more injured than he let on and having him heallthy for game 3 may have been the series, but whatever. I'm still amped up for next year and I wouldn't be if I was a Pens fan. If Hossa leaves Cleary goes back to line 2 and Holmstrom goes back with Dat and Zet and that's the killer line right there. Datsyuk holds the puck with his stick handling and then either shoots or distributes to an open Zetterberg while Holmstrom's in front blocking the goalie. It's such an easy strategy I don't get why they strayed from it.
Well, Datsyuk and Holmstrom sucked all playoffs, so its not =like it was a no brainer. The idea was to spread the scoring around so that the WIngsPens and other teams can't focus on one line. Much like how Malkin and Crosby don't play on hte same line.
Eiither way, if you lose in 7 in the final, you aren't the best team. Maybe on paper, but they didn't play like it. And DSatsyuk, besides the last two years, is a notorious playoff failure. I know he was hurt, but still...
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A lesser team tho?? realy ? I mean i think these two teams are pretty equal since detroit won last year, pitsburgh this year... will see if they showdown next year.
And why cant the Nhl open with a Detroit Vs Pitsburgh prime time game on say a wensday night top kick off the Nhl season .. that would be great.
On paper they were equal. In reality Pit played their asses off and won by making very little mistakes while Detroit played sloppy in all but 1 game. It was simply out of character. Crosby and Malkin were shut down by strogn defense. Hossa, Zetterberg, Cleary, etc were shut down by themselves. You're Dan Cleary you have a breakaway on the goalie and all you do try and shove it in his pad? It was pathetic. I do think datsyuk was more injured than he let on and having him heallthy for game 3 may have been the series, but whatever. I'm still amped up for next year and I wouldn't be if I was a Pens fan. If Hossa leaves Cleary goes back to line 2 and Holmstrom goes back with Dat and Zet and that's the killer line right there. Datsyuk holds the puck with his stick handling and then either shoots or distributes to an open Zetterberg while Holmstrom's in front blocking the goalie. It's such an easy strategy I don't get why they strayed from it.
Well, Datsyuk and Holmstrom sucked all playoffs, so its not =like it was a no brainer. The idea was to spread the scoring around so that the WIngsPens and other teams can't focus on one line. Much like how Malkin and Crosby don't play on hte same line.
Eiither way, if you lose in 7 in the final, you aren't the best team. Maybe on paper, but they didn't play like it. And DSatsyuk, besides the last two years, is a notorious playoff failure. I know he was hurt, but still...
Weren't they on different lines all playoffs? The point is they showed up just last year playing together and after that horrible game 6 it was time to go back to what worked last year.
Either way, it's simple Detroit played poorly in game 7 by making bad passes and bad shots. Pit just couldn't do anything except capitalize on two giveaways. If Pit was setting up chance after chance and scored once or twice I'd give them their due, but scoring when given the puck infront of the net with no one else around and getting a clean break because Detroit moves up too many guys with out realizing no one is back is what you are supposed to do. If Talbot didn't score it'd have been a joke, like Cleary in game 6.
Pittsburgh in no way shape or form outplayed Detroit in that game. It's like winning a Football game 10-7 on a last minute TD made by the Defense off a mis-communicated lateral pass from the QB to no one, picked up by an LB and scoring a TD. Like the Miracle in the Meadowloands. All Detroit had to do was pace themselves a little and think before shooting and they would have won. Detroit beat themselves. And Hossa should be MVP.
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A lesser team tho?? realy ? I mean i think these two teams are pretty equal since detroit won last year, pitsburgh this year... will see if they showdown next year.
And why cant the Nhl open with a Detroit Vs Pitsburgh prime time game on say a wensday night top kick off the Nhl season .. that would be great.
On paper they were equal. In reality Pit played their asses off and won by making very little mistakes while Detroit played sloppy in all but 1 game. It was simply out of character. Crosby and Malkin were shut down by strogn defense. Hossa, Zetterberg, Cleary, etc were shut down by themselves. You're Dan Cleary you have a breakaway on the goalie and all you do try and shove it in his pad? It was pathetic. I do think datsyuk was more injured than he let on and having him heallthy for game 3 may have been the series, but whatever. I'm still amped up for next year and I wouldn't be if I was a Pens fan. If Hossa leaves Cleary goes back to line 2 and Holmstrom goes back with Dat and Zet and that's the killer line right there. Datsyuk holds the puck with his stick handling and then either shoots or distributes to an open Zetterberg while Holmstrom's in front blocking the goalie. It's such an easy strategy I don't get why they strayed from it.
Well, Datsyuk and Holmstrom sucked all playoffs, so its not =like it was a no brainer. The idea was to spread the scoring around so that the WIngsPens and other teams can't focus on one line. Much like how Malkin and Crosby don't play on hte same line.
Eiither way, if you lose in 7 in the final, you aren't the best team. Maybe on paper, but they didn't play like it. And DSatsyuk, besides the last two years, is a notorious playoff failure. I know he was hurt, but still...
Weren't they on different lines all playoffs? The point is they showed up just last year playing together and after that horrible game 6 it was time to go back to what worked last year.
Either way, it's simple Detroit played poorly in game 7 by making bad passes and bad shots. Pit just couldn't do anything except capitalize on two giveaways. If Pit was setting up chance after chance and scored once or twice I'd give them their due, but scoring when given the puck infront of the net with no one else around and getting a clean break because Detroit moves up too many guys with out realizing no one is back is what you are supposed to do. If Talbot didn't score it'd have been a joke, like Cleary in game 6.
Pittsburgh in no way shape or form outplayed Detroit in that game. It's like winning a Football game 10-7 on a last minute TD made by the Defense off a mis-communicated lateral pass from the QB to no one, picked up by an LB and scoring a TD. Like the Miracle in the Meadowloands. All Detroit had to do was pace themselves a little and think before shooting and they would have won. Detroit beat themselves. And Hossa should be MVP.
Detroit didn't play their best, I will give you that? But dfont think for a second that was Pitssburgh's best either, especially if you watched them play through the playoffs. Malkin was average after the first few games, and Crosby couldn't buy a goal.
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I love it such a great debate compared to previous years when teams like Edmonton, carolina were in the finals, not truly the best teams in the league...
the last 2 years we had the best of the best.
Even the year before ottawa vs Anaheim we can see was the two best teams at the time.
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A lesser team tho?? realy ? I mean i think these two teams are pretty equal since detroit won last year, pitsburgh this year... will see if they showdown next year.
And why cant the Nhl open with a Detroit Vs Pitsburgh prime time game on say a wensday night top kick off the Nhl season .. that would be great.
On paper they were equal. In reality Pit played their asses off and won by making very little mistakes while Detroit played sloppy in all but 1 game. It was simply out of character. Crosby and Malkin were shut down by strogn defense. Hossa, Zetterberg, Cleary, etc were shut down by themselves. You're Dan Cleary you have a breakaway on the goalie and all you do try and shove it in his pad? It was pathetic. I do think datsyuk was more injured than he let on and having him heallthy for game 3 may have been the series, but whatever. I'm still amped up for next year and I wouldn't be if I was a Pens fan. If Hossa leaves Cleary goes back to line 2 and Holmstrom goes back with Dat and Zet and that's the killer line right there. Datsyuk holds the puck with his stick handling and then either shoots or distributes to an open Zetterberg while Holmstrom's in front blocking the goalie. It's such an easy strategy I don't get why they strayed from it.
Well, Datsyuk and Holmstrom sucked all playoffs, so its not =like it was a no brainer. The idea was to spread the scoring around so that the WIngsPens and other teams can't focus on one line. Much like how Malkin and Crosby don't play on hte same line.
Eiither way, if you lose in 7 in the final, you aren't the best team. Maybe on paper, but they didn't play like it. And DSatsyuk, besides the last two years, is a notorious playoff failure. I know he was hurt, but still...
Weren't they on different lines all playoffs? The point is they showed up just last year playing together and after that horrible game 6 it was time to go back to what worked last year.
Either way, it's simple Detroit played poorly in game 7 by making bad passes and bad shots. Pit just couldn't do anything except capitalize on two giveaways. If Pit was setting up chance after chance and scored once or twice I'd give them their due, but scoring when given the puck infront of the net with no one else around and getting a clean break because Detroit moves up too many guys with out realizing no one is back is what you are supposed to do. If Talbot didn't score it'd have been a joke, like Cleary in game 6.
Pittsburgh in no way shape or form outplayed Detroit in that game. It's like winning a Football game 10-7 on a last minute TD made by the Defense off a mis-communicated lateral pass from the QB to no one, picked up by an LB and scoring a TD. Like the Miracle in the Meadowloands. All Detroit had to do was pace themselves a little and think before shooting and they would have won. Detroit beat themselves. And Hossa should be MVP.
Detroit didn't play their best, I will give you that? But dfont think for a second that was Pitssburgh's best either, especially if you watched them play through the playoffs. Malkin was average after the first few games, and Crosby couldn't buy a goal.
My point is that Crosby and Malkin were shut down by Detroit's defense. They had no room to move. It's not like Crosby had breakways or got set up with the puck infront of the net and fucked up several times, like Cleary and Zetterberg did all series. Hossa was throwing the puck away, a lot of those blocked shots never should been shots in the first place. They should have held on to the puck a little more, looked around, and taaken advantage of easy goals that were set up perfectly and they didn't do that even one tenth of the time.
When Detroit lost to Jersey years ago I had no problem admitting they were outclassed and beaten by a better team. But Pit had about as much class as Sid did after the game by taking his time to shake hands with Lindstrom. He's a little punk and he'll never be Gretzky or Lemiuex. And once the NHL finds a new star and guys are allowed to rain on him like Lindros you'll see how much of the Great one he is.
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First off, Crosby has already accomplished more than Lindros, and shown far more class.
Shallow, being the big fan you are, I KNOW you watched the celebrations last year when the Pens WAITED FOR THE WINGS TO FINISH CELEBRATING before starting the handshake line.
Whereas this year, Lidstrom and Draper and Maltby started the line literally 2 minutes after the Penguins got awarded the Cup.
You tell me what was a classy move and what wasn't........
Besides, again, being the big fan you seem to be, and knowledgeable about hockey and its history (or at least the Wings), you would know there was a certain player on your own damn team, one who has playted in the league 20 something years who only a few years ago did not go through the line.
DOn't get caught up in that shit, use your own head.
Peace
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Who compared Lindros to Crosby lol
Edit : Lindros is the guy who dint wanna go to a last place team help and rebuild it to win a cup
CRosby IS the guy who went to a last place team and help rebuild to win a cup
When Lindros left... 2-3 years later Colorado won a cup lol
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Who compared Lindros to Crosby lol
Edit : Lindros is the guy who dint wanna go to a last place team help and rebuild it to win a cup
CRosby IS the guy who went to a last place team and help rebuild to win a cup
When Lindros left... 2-3 years later Colorado won a cup lol
Shallow mentioned Lindros. He is obviously a little bitter that the Penguins won the CUp over his Wings. He feels the Wings beat themselves. Regardless, The Pens picked up 4 wins in the last 5 games. Hardly a fluke. If you don't play your best hockey when its on the line, you don't deserve to win.
You are right Mtl, Crosby did exactly the opposite ofg what Lindros did ;)
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teams like Edmonton were in the finals, not truly the best teams in the league...
Fuck you Mitchy you french bastard my Oilers deserved to be there ;D
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teams like Edmonton were in the finals, not truly the best teams in the league...
Fuck you Mitchy you french bastard my Oilers deserved to be there ;D
Oilers fan? Me too. THe team played so hard that year, maybe they weren't the most talented but damn did they give it their all.
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teams like Edmonton were in the finals, not truly the best teams in the league...
Fuck you Mitchy you french bastard my Oilers deserved to be there ;D
Oilers fan? Me too. THe team played so hard that year, maybe they weren't the most talented but damn did they give it their all.
Sure am! Leafs fan as well though. That was my favorite playoffs ever. We played unbelievable. What a run to make it so far. If we would have won, that DVD show casing our playoff run would have been epic ;D
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Wat a Series!!! i dont watch NHL much but i got into this series. Pitt winning 3 of last 4 was amazing..such heart
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Wat a Series!!! i dont watch NHL much but i got into this series. Pitt winning 3 of last 4 was amazing..such heart
Ya, definitely a great series. 4 of last 5 by the way ;)
Wonder if the Magic have even HALF the heart the Pens had to win tonight?
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Wat a Series!!! i dont watch NHL much but i got into this series. Pitt winning 3 of last 4 was amazing..such heart
Ya, definitely a great series. 4 of last 5 by the way ;)
Wonder if the Magic have even HALF the heart the Pens had to win tonight?
my bad 4 of 5!! and after that 5-0 loss in gm 5 people thot they were done...Damn what heart
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teams like Edmonton were in the finals, not truly the best teams in the league...
Fuck you Mitchy you french bastard my Oilers deserved to be there ;D
ahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
i was rooting for them to win the cup tho
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Hold on a second. No one is comparing Crosby to Lindros talent wise. I hate Lindros. He's a bitch. The comparison was that Golden Boy one day, nobody's hero the next for Lindros and how if Canada ever had a new classier star than Crosby that Crosby would no longer get the protection and be able to get massacred on the ice like Lindros did. Wayne wouldn't have lasted 4 seasons if guys were allowed to Scott Stevens him a few times a month. And that's not a secret conspiracy. Junior A players had come forward decades ago about how they would be told to go easy on Wayne by their own coaches. And Wayne wasn't the first either.
Anyway, watch the celebration again from last year. No one waited that long for Lindstrom. And who are you talking about from the Wings? You mean to tell me that Stevie Y snubbed the line up?
Finally, the Wings did not deserve to win this series. I never said otherwise. And I don't even feel it like I usually do when my team loses in any sport. They played like bums in games 4, 6 and 7 and deserved to lose all three. My anger comes from the notion that Pittsburgh didn't play any better, except for the fact that they always kept a guy back and never gave the puck away when it counted. If the Wings were outplayed I'd be much more upset, but I'd admit they were outplayed. They weren't. They beat themselves and had it in the bag but fucked it up. I can't imagine Detroit winning a single 7 game series against any team, even my hometown shitty Leafs if they played the way they did in this series (except for game 5).
And just in case anyone still thinks Syd Kid isn't a bitch;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqR17KrLKw&e
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^^ whats your point with that footage? its hockey they all do it? i dont get yoour point here with Crosby, you just a hater seriously.
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^^ whats your point with that footage? its hockey they all do it? i dont get yoour point here with Crosby, you just a hater seriously.
I don't like the kid. He's a bitch. And I thought that before the series this year, and before the series last year. A classless bum but he's the only kid we got left here so Canadian media has to push him for now.
And no, everyone does does rabbit punch defenseless players already in a fight with someone else and then attack the groin. Only whiny bitches do.
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Whats so bad about him tho seriously???
He is a guy who trains hard, lives wit his mentor, plays hockey with his kids, yuo dont hear him getting liquored up at clubs..
i mean what you dont like his clean image.
Personaly im tired of the bad boy image, the guy who partys all the time this and that.. sure i like a guy with a edge i dont dislike them its refreshing specialy in hockey but.. Its very refreshing to see a guy like i said work hard and look like he takes his career very serioulsy.
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Whats so bad about him tho seriously???
He is a guy who trains hard, lives wit his mentor, plays hockey with his kids, yuo dont hear him getting liquored up at clubs..
i mean what you dont like his clean image.
Personaly im tired of the bad boy image, the guy who partys all the time this and that.. sure i like a guy with a edge i dont dislike them its refreshing specialy in hockey but.. Its very refreshing to see a guy like i said work hard and look like he takes his career very serioulsy.
He's a little princess who nags like a baby everytime something doesn't go his way, acts like brat when it does, and rushes guys from behind in a fight while keeping his gloves on protect his princess hands and then punches them in the back of the head while their face first into the ground, and you're asking me what's so bad about him? The worst of it all is he never gets called on like he should. Brasheer pulls the same shit in that brawl and he'd be supsended for a year.
I really hope this Tavares kid blows up so Syd the Kid can go away. And I mean in the Canadian media as the saviour of Hockey.
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How old are you? IM not asking as a diss but if you go look at old games of wayne gretzky or Mario Lemieux these guys would compain like craaazy to the refs im not playin.
As far as protecting or taking shots... yes Gretzky and Lemieux dint do that but look times are different , no one touched gretzky so he dint have too, Crosby has no choice..
And you know 99 got points when he wasent even on the ice right??? NOw how is that?
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Whats so bad about him tho seriously???
He is a guy who trains hard, lives wit his mentor, plays hockey with his kids, yuo dont hear him getting liquored up at clubs..
i mean what you dont like his clean image.
Personaly im tired of the bad boy image, the guy who partys all the time this and that.. sure i like a guy with a edge i dont dislike them its refreshing specialy in hockey but.. Its very refreshing to see a guy like i said work hard and look like he takes his career very serioulsy.
He's a little princess who nags like a baby everytime something doesn't go his way, acts like brat when it does, and rushes guys from behind in a fight while keeping his gloves on protect his princess hands and then punches them in the back of the head while their face first into the ground, and you're asking me what's so bad about him? The worst of it all is he never gets called on like he should. Brasheer pulls the same shit in that brawl and he'd be supsended for a year.
I really hope this Tavares kid blows up so Syd the Kid can go away. And I mean in the Canadian media as the saviour of Hockey.
Crosby was a whiner the first year, just like Gretzky was. BUt now he is captain, and it is HIS job to talk to the refs. And is he the ONLY player who wines?
Ever heard of Chelios? He was the WING who would not shake hands....
Anyway, its obvious you dislike Crosby partly for the fact he is shoved down our throats as Canadians. True, he is. BUt how can you deny what he has accomplished since he came in the league? He is only 21 years old? He's younger than that "young" newcomer on the Wings, Helm.
Did Crosby hit your girl Shallow? ;) Its all good, but you seem to REALLY hate the guy.
Anyway:
watched the video of both years. pens sat patiently in 08 waiting, sat patiently, did the hand shake, saluted the crowd, and left as a team.
09, lidstrom and veteran wings leave the ice after just 2 minutes, some players such as Hossa decide not to follow Lidstrom and Drapers lead in running away and wait. Sidney shows up for hand shakes not even 4 minutes after the final whistle. Last year the handshakes started at 3:40.
REally, as much as he is loved, Crosby is hated, and peeps are just trying to make him look bad.
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I dont get it, because hes good, clean image it seems people wanna briing him down.
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I dont get it, because hes good, clean image it seems people wanna briing him down.
Ya, its actually quite weird. Crosbny haters aer abundant, yet there are way bigger whiners, divers, etc in the league. I think its because Crosby is shoved down Canadians throats, but if you leave all that aside and just think about what he does on the ice, its extremely impressive.
I remember halfway through Yzerman's career, he decided (in his own words) to become a complete player and worry less about the offensive end. Crosby has already done that- if anything, he is mature beyond his years. He isn't the most skilled player in the league, or even on his own team, but he may be the best player in the league.
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It's simple with the Crosby hate..same way in every sense of entertainment..compare it to Hip-Hop, 50 Cent was most hated when he was at the top..now Lil Wayne is, and he's fuckin hated..the ones who receive the most SUCCESS have the most haters, always.
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MTL, no one is taking personal attacks at you. The only personal attacks were by Crosby to the back of that guy's head. He could have ended that guy's career with that shit. Yes Wayne and Mario were babies when they started. There's no way around that. You get what you want when you want your whole life it takes while to learn, but as the Captain's of their team, and as the face of Hockey they made sure they were at the front of their teams during the handshakes (maybe not THE first guy but with the team). Why? Because in Canada we don't tolerate anything less, unless you're the only Canadian mega star in an era dominated by Europeans. That's what I hate the most. The media protection of this kid's blatant disrespect. If all he did was whine a bit and not get hit that's fine. But he wants to be a tough guy when no one is allowed to touch him and then he wants to jump around the entire time the rest of his team is shaking hands. And take credit for a win in a series he was useless in. Like I said, Hossa stays and Guerin, Satan, Gill etc never come and it's Wings vs Hurricanes. The young guns were not the reason the Pens went this far. It was the old vets. But the Canadian media is trying to create a hero and role model and this kid isn't it. Not yet anyway.
teecee, fuck Chelios. He's not the Captain or the face of the team. He's an old coot who can do whatever he wants. If Stevie Y did some shit like that then you'd have a case. But Steve was all class. Chelios is a goon. If you're best argument is comparing Crosby to Chelios you don't have much of an argument. This kid is enjoying the benefits of being thrusted into the Hockey hierarchy because Canada's got no one else and he's taking advantage of it, and I just want these goofs to call a spade a spade. When he fucks up and does something like almost kill a guy by rabbit punching him as he's face down on the ice, he needs to be put through the ringer. You ignore that shit enough and you risk creating a monster and someone could reallt get hurt. And I respect this sport too much to get behind a punk like Syd Crosby when he keeps getting passes.
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MTL, no one is taking personal attacks at you.
Never said so..
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So then what does this mean?
How old are you? IM not asking as a diss but
You asked me how old I was then you seemed to clarify that you are not dissing. How am I supposed to see that as anything other than an insult and clarification?
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So then what does this mean?
How old are you? IM not asking as a diss but
You asked me how old I was then you seemed to clarify that you are not dissing. How am I supposed to see that as anything other than an insult and clarification?
He was just wondering if you were old enough to remember a certain time, etc.
Anyway, you really think that the Canes woulda made the final? Be real man. The CAPITALS woulda beat the Canes easy- did you watch the Caps-Pens series? A classic, and the most hard fought series of the playoffs (along with Wings and Ducks). To say the young guns didn't do shit is plain stupid, so I have to call you out on that. Crosby had more goals in ONE series then Holmstrom, Hossa, and Datsyuk in the entire playoffs! IT was EPIC...
Talbot, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stall= equal "young guns"
If they aren't the reason the Pens won the Cup, then you officially don't know shit. ;) Ask the Wings what they thought of Talbot and STall in the finals. They played better then nearly every Wings forward not named Zetterberg. Malkin had 8 points, and Crosby played a good two way game but was mostly kept off the score sheet due to a great game plan from the Wings.
You almost sound like NIK with all of this"media" bullshit! Oh well, its all good, your team lost. Besides, you are a hockey fan so that is all good in my book.
Shallow, do you have a personal vendetta against every hockey player who has made a dirty play in their career? Crosby, overall, is far from dirty so to single him out is kinda laughable really. "Almost killed a guy" is the best part. Quit reaching. Does it have something to do with the fact that his team beat your team?!
Your team is the WINGS man. Best organization in hockey. Gonna have mad chances to win the Cup so don't worry so much Crosby.
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So then what does this mean?
How old are you? IM not asking as a diss but
You asked me how old I was then you seemed to clarify that you are not dissing. How am I supposed to see that as anything other than an insult and clarification?
He was just wondering if you were old enough to remember a certain time, etc.
Anyway, you really think that the Canes woulda made the final? Be real man. The CAPITALS woulda beat the Canes easy- did you watch the Caps-Pens series? A classic, and the most hard fought series of the playoffs (along with Wings and Ducks). To say the young guns didn't do shit is plain stupid, so I have to call you out on that. Crosby had more goals in ONE series then Holmstrom, Hossa, and Datsyuk in the entire playoffs! IT was EPIC...
Talbot, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stall= equal "young guns"
If they aren't the reason the Pens won the Cup, then you officially don't know shit. ;) Ask the Wings what they thought of Talbot and STall in the finals. They played better then nearly every Wings forward not named Zetterberg. Malkin had 8 points, and Crosby played a good two way game but was mostly kept off the score sheet due to a great game plan from the Wings.
You almost sound like NIK with all of this"media" bullshit! Oh well, its all good, your team lost. Besides, you are a hockey fan so that is all good in my book.
Shallow, do you have a personal vendetta against every hockey player who has made a dirty play in their career? Crosby, overall, is far from dirty so to single him out is kinda laughable really. "Almost killed a guy" is the best part. Quit reaching. Does it have something to do with the fact that his team beat your team?!
Your team is the WINGS man. Best organization in hockey. Gonna have mad chances to win the Cup so don't worry so much Crosby.
Sorry, I meant Caps. Not Canes. Pit doesn't beat Washington with Hossa and no Satan, Gill, Guerin etc. That's what I meant. I also meant to say it was the vets, not the young guns that won the Finals series. Obviously Malkin was a dynamo in the playoffs. That being said. I think the world of Jordan Staal and think he's really going far in this league.
Obviously the chances of death aren't likely with that cheap shot, but how you dismiss as just another dirty play is beyond me. It's potentially way worse than what Brasheer did and Syd's just lucky the guy didn't get a hospital room bound concussion on that because I'd like to see Cherry and those dick suckers try and justify that.
It's got nothing to do with the Wings losing here. Like I said, the Wings wouldn't have beaten any Eastern team playing the way they did in the finals. It's simply fact that Crosby wasn't up front to shake hands like all Captains should be, and he's too protected for his own good and takes too many cheap shots. Laugh it off now, but new hero arising or not, it's only a matter of time before the next Scott Stevens lays that kid out again and again, and Syd would have already asked for it.
I'm not NIK with his media bashing Kobe theories. What's happening to Crosby happens every few years in Hockey. It's nothing new. And if Crosby was doing the exact same shit 15 years ago when Mario and Wayne were still playing and beign marketed he'd never get the attention of protection from Canada.
As for me. I'm 27 in November. Grew up in the 80s as an Oilers fan like every other kid I knew. Never cared much for the Leafs so when Mess went to NY I followed. The next year I saw a young Steve Yzerman in Detroit and with the inclusion of Russian Hockey which I also really loved I was sold on that team. They had a level of talent and skill that was unmatched. And Yzerman added a level of class and respect you had to admire. The best Captain of his era bar none in my eyes. A real warrior on the ice, but not a violent goon. A man you'd die for in battle, not one you're told to die for. He earned his stripes like Mess did. Nothing was handed to him like Wayne, Mario, or Syd. Truth I always prefered the Stalls to the Crosbys, Francis to Lemiuex, Messier to Gretzky. When you are sold as a star from 12 years old you become a princess and a bitch. Crosby might grow out of it like the other too did, or he might get knocked the fuck out ike Lindros did. People seem to forget how big a star pre-NHL Eric Lindros was. He just whined too much too early. If he had stayed with Quebec, moved to Colorado with them, and possibly ended up with a cup in his second year or whatever he'd have been crowned right then and there. Instead he bitched his way to Philly, slept with a teammates wife, and found out what Scott Stevens thinks of him.
If the Wings never win again I've already been spoiled. I won't lose any sleep over it. But mark my words, if the Wings are the 70s Islanders, the league better find a new Oilers, because this bunch ain't it. None of these kids are staying past the '12/'13 season, if they even go that long with out being traded. And you won't see 3, 4 or 5 Cups attached to them. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.
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So then what does this mean?
How old are you? IM not asking as a diss but
You asked me how old I was then you seemed to clarify that you are not dissing. How am I supposed to see that as anything other than an insult and clarification?
He was just wondering if you were old enough to remember a certain time, etc.
Anyway, you really think that the Canes woulda made the final? Be real man. The CAPITALS woulda beat the Canes easy- did you watch the Caps-Pens series? A classic, and the most hard fought series of the playoffs (along with Wings and Ducks). To say the young guns didn't do shit is plain stupid, so I have to call you out on that. Crosby had more goals in ONE series then Holmstrom, Hossa, and Datsyuk in the entire playoffs! IT was EPIC...
Talbot, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Stall= equal "young guns"
If they aren't the reason the Pens won the Cup, then you officially don't know shit. ;) Ask the Wings what they thought of Talbot and STall in the finals. They played better then nearly every Wings forward not named Zetterberg. Malkin had 8 points, and Crosby played a good two way game but was mostly kept off the score sheet due to a great game plan from the Wings.
You almost sound like NIK with all of this"media" bullshit! Oh well, its all good, your team lost. Besides, you are a hockey fan so that is all good in my book.
Shallow, do you have a personal vendetta against every hockey player who has made a dirty play in their career? Crosby, overall, is far from dirty so to single him out is kinda laughable really. "Almost killed a guy" is the best part. Quit reaching. Does it have something to do with the fact that his team beat your team?!
Your team is the WINGS man. Best organization in hockey. Gonna have mad chances to win the Cup so don't worry so much Crosby.
Sorry, I meant Caps. Not Canes. Pit doesn't beat Washington with Hossa and no Satan, Gill, Guerin etc. That's what I meant. I also meant to say it was the vets, not the young guns that won the Finals series. Obviously Malkin was a dynamo in the playoffs. That being said. I think the world of Jordan Staal and think he's really going far in this league.
Obviously the chances of death aren't likely with that cheap shot, but how you dismiss as just another dirty play is beyond me. It's potentially way worse than what Brasheer did and Syd's just lucky the guy didn't get a hospital room bound concussion on that because I'd like to see Cherry and those dick suckers try and justify that.
It's got nothing to do with the Wings losing here. Like I said, the Wings wouldn't have beaten any Eastern team playing the way they did in the finals. It's simply fact that Crosby wasn't up front to shake hands like all Captains should be, and he's too protected for his own good and takes too many cheap shots. Laugh it off now, but new hero arising or not, it's only a matter of time before the next Scott Stevens lays that kid out again and again, and Syd would have already asked for it.
I'm not NIK with his media bashing Kobe theories. What's happening to Crosby happens every few years in Hockey. It's nothing new. And if Crosby was doing the exact same shit 15 years ago when Mario and Wayne were still playing and beign marketed he'd never get the attention of protection from Canada.
As for me. I'm 27 in November. Grew up in the 80s as an Oilers fan like every other kid I knew. Never cared much for the Leafs so when Mess went to NY I followed. The next year I saw a young Steve Yzerman in Detroit and with the inclusion of Russian Hockey which I also really loved I was sold on that team. They had a level of talent and skill that was unmatched. And Yzerman added a level of class and respect you had to admire. The best Captain of his era bar none in my eyes. A real warrior on the ice, but not a violent goon. A man you'd die for in battle, not one you're told to die for. He earned his stripes like Mess did. Nothing was handed to him like Wayne, Mario, or Syd. Truth I always prefered the Stalls to the Crosbys, Francis to Lemiuex, Messier to Gretzky. When you are sold as a star from 12 years old you become a princess and a bitch. Crosby might grow out of it like the other too did, or he might get knocked the fuck out ike Lindros did. People seem to forget how big a star pre-NHL Eric Lindros was. He just whined too much too early. If he had stayed with Quebec, moved to Colorado with them, and possibly ended up with a cup in his second year or whatever he'd have been crowned right then and there. Instead he bitched his way to Philly, slept with a teammates wife, and found out what Scott Stevens thinks of him.
If the Wings never win again I've already been spoiled. I won't lose any sleep over it. But mark my words, if the Wings are the 70s Islanders, the league better find a new Oilers, because this bunch ain't it. None of these kids are staying past the '12/'13 season, if they even go that long with out being traded. And you won't see 3, 4 or 5 Cups attached to them. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.
Hawks, Pens, Caps are the best YOUNG teams in the league. I don't think ANY team will rival the Old Isles or Old Oilers, not with the salary cap and state of the game (parity) today. Are the Pens a dynasty in the making? Hard to say, but being that they have MADE IT TO THE FINALS two years in a row with the CORE of the team so damn young, one could see why people think that. I think they will win at least another one, but we all know it is pretty much impossible to win 2 in a row so i doubt they win next year.
Lindros actually was very good his first few years incidentally, but his attitude got the best of him. DO you really think Crosby is comparable to him? Its not Crosby's Lemieux's, or Gretz fault that they are marketed the way they are....I would take advantage of it too if I was them or worked for the league. Crosby isn't, and won't be on Gretz or Lemieux's level, but his career is sure off to an amazing start.
Yes, the vets helped, but what team without vets has ever won shit??? Crosby, Malkin, Fleury were the three most important players for the Pens overall in the playoffs. Crosby and Malkin scored more points than anyone has in a long time, and had very timely goals. Fleury made some amazing saves. More than any other sport, though, hockey is a team sport and the VETS definitely played a large role in the win....but again, what team has ever one without veterans playing a large role? The guys like Guerin, Gill, etc are replaceable. Malkin and Crosby are not.
On another note.......too bad you dumped the Oilers! We could use a few more fans. Of course, I don't blame you for choosing the Wings, as they are such a skilled team.
Imagine the pressure on Crosby at such a young age, and then he delivers? pretty amazing if you ask me.
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I think the Wings of the last 15 years have rivaled the 70s/80s Isle and 80s Oilers. Whether they won as many in a short time or not they have been at the brink of it just about every year and they completely changed their team in such a low and incredible that they didn't lose a step. I really marvel at how well that organization has been run. They are already set up to be a force for the next 4 or 5 years and they've already been a force for the last 15.
Do I think Lindros was ever as good as Crosby is now? No, but he was a step away from it in his absolute prime. He just slid fast. Do I think Crosby is as much of a baby now as Lindros always was? No to that as well. But Lindros was never crowned. Crosby has been and he needs to realize that and class up. There have been 10 or so next Gretzky's since Gretzky and the only two I can think that passed the test were Mario and Sid, in terms of making it with the pressure on. Joe Thornton initially collapsed but has recently become more solid, and Spezza is decent. But Crosby has excelled from day one to now ad I have to respect that, and I do it gladly. If he just spent a little more time watch Mess or Yzerman he'd realize what a leader is. Wayne and Mario had Gordie Howe to look and he was a master. Sidney needs to be careful with his whining and cheap shots because he's not sellingthe game like Wayne did and won't be as protected as they were. I don't want to see him get hurt, and I don't want to see him take someone else out with a cheap play.
I'm not saying the 5 young guys, that are the nucleus of that team and the reason they will go back if they go back, weren't important to those playoffs. If they weren't there they would not have won any round but it was the very hungry vets playing like vikings that made them win just as much as the young guys. So I mean these old timers were more important than many other teams with vets. My end point on this is simple. None of that would have mattered if the Red Wings just played Red Wing Hockey. That is the frustrating part I guess. Knowing that all they had to do was make easy passes and take time wit the puck when they had it and this thing wouldn't have lasted 5 games.
Seeing a guy get crowned for a series like that is a little annoying, but I can live with it. 40 years later Joe Namath still gets credit for beating the Colts. The Jets would have won that game if I was playing QB. The league simply needs stars to fake importance.
I left the Oil with Mess. He was my guy as a kid. As a teen it was Yzerman. I'm not loyal to teams. I'm loyal to styles of play. That goes for any sport. If the Wings started winning Cups by playing like Jersey did in the 90s I'd jump off that no problem. I don't care if they were winning. I like to see certain styles of play succeed. Not to say there is no room for any goon, but when you have more goons that skilled players I don't like it. Just give me a bunch of guys who can skate, pass, and shoot, and do it with class and just throw in 1 or 2 guys to protect them from cheap shots and I'll be happy. We really lacked a goon in this series. He really could have turned around game 3, 4, 6, or 7. Ah well.
Nice Hockey talk. Here's to next year!
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Respect Shallow. Hockey talk.......something I never even knew existed on DUBCC!
I never bothered checking the hockey threads as I thought it would just be guys bashing the game.
I am more of a bball fan nowadays, but nothing, NOTHING, beats a great hockey game.
You think Hossa will sign with the Wings. Those contracts they've been handing out are WAY too long. 10 years and shit. It works for now, but Zetterberg and Hossa at 40?
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Respect Shallow. Hockey talk.......something I never even knew existed on DUBCC!
I never bothered checking the hockey threads as I thought it would just be guys bashing the game.
I am more of a bball fan nowadays, but nothing, NOTHING, beats a great hockey game.
You think Hossa will sign with the Wings. Those contracts they've been handing out are WAY too long. 10 years and shit. It works for now, but Zetterberg and Hossa at 40?
Not sure where goes after this. I think Wings have a good chance with or with out him next year, but I think if they make it back to the Finals they'll be unbeatable in that round because they'll have some fire under their ass. I honestly think they convinced themselves it was going to be a for sure win this year when they saw it was Pit and that's what fucked them up. But we'll see.
He's the type of guy that can go anywhere that hasa chance make win next year; Chicago, Washington, etc. I can't see him being accepted back in Pit even if he wanted to go back, but I don't see them going back next year regardless. After next year who knows. I do think he may have to stay because if he pulls another "I'm going here for a cup" short cut it'll probably backfire again.
I ragged on him a lot in my recent threads for screwing up chemistry and what not, but he was playing any worse than the other stars. I'd love to have him back.
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I think the Wings of the last 15 years have rivaled the 70s/80s Isle and 80s Oilers. Whether they won as many in a short time or not they have been at the brink of it just about every year and they completely changed their team in such a low and incredible that they didn't lose a step. I really marvel at how well that organization has been run. They are already set up to be a force for the next 4 or 5 years and they've already been a force for the last 15.
Do I think Lindros was ever as good as Crosby is now? No, but he was a step away from it in his absolute prime. He just slid fast. Do I think Crosby is as much of a baby now as Lindros always was? No to that as well. But Lindros was never crowned. Crosby has been and he needs to realize that and class up. There have been 10 or so next Gretzky's since Gretzky and the only two I can think that passed the test were Mario and Sid, in terms of making it with the pressure on. Joe Thornton initially collapsed but has recently become more solid, and Spezza is decent. But Crosby has excelled from day one to now ad I have to respect that, and I do it gladly. If he just spent a little more time watch Mess or Yzerman he'd realize what a leader is. Wayne and Mario had Gordie Howe to look and he was a master. Sidney needs to be careful with his whining and cheap shots because he's not sellingthe game like Wayne did and won't be as protected as they were. I don't want to see him get hurt, and I don't want to see him take someone else out with a cheap play.
I'm not saying the 5 young guys, that are the nucleus of that team and the reason they will go back if they go back, weren't important to those playoffs. If they weren't there they would not have won any round but it was the very hungry vets playing like vikings that made them win just as much as the young guys. So I mean these old timers were more important than many other teams with vets. My end point on this is simple. None of that would have mattered if the Red Wings just played Red Wing Hockey. That is the frustrating part I guess. Knowing that all they had to do was make easy passes and take time wit the puck when they had it and this thing wouldn't have lasted 5 games.
Seeing a guy get crowned for a series like that is a little annoying, but I can live with it. 40 years later Joe Namath still gets credit for beating the Colts. The Jets would have won that game if I was playing QB. The league simply needs stars to fake importance.
I left the Oil with Mess. He was my guy as a kid. As a teen it was Yzerman. I'm not loyal to teams. I'm loyal to styles of play. That goes for any sport. If the Wings started winning Cups by playing like Jersey did in the 90s I'd jump off that no problem. I don't care if they were winning. I like to see certain styles of play succeed. Not to say there is no room for any goon, but when you have more goons that skilled players I don't like it. Just give me a bunch of guys who can skate, pass, and shoot, and do it with class and just throw in 1 or 2 guys to protect them from cheap shots and I'll be happy. We really lacked a goon in this series. He really could have turned around game 3, 4, 6, or 7. Ah well.
Nice Hockey talk. Here's to next year!
You say watch Messier and Yzerman but if you remember correctly people said Yzerman wasent a true leader untill he won the cup in 97 and he was about 29-30 years old by then.
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1) The "rookies" owned for Detroit
2) Franzen was MVP of the playoffs
3) Datsyuk really is a major component of the Wings dominance
4) Detroit got out-coached
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You say watch Messier and Yzerman but if you remember correctly people said Yzerman wasent a true leader untill he won the cup in 97 and he was about 29-30 years old by then.
Those people were idiots. Steve was captain at 21 and his first year as leader he lead them to the top of the division. He wan an offensive force throught out the whole 80s. Bowman got him to be a defensive force as well, and Russia gave him a team worthy of a championship. Fucking guy spent 20 years as captain and he stuck through it. He was never a princess. When he had it out with Bowman for not playing D and trade rumours started he could have played princess and said fine trade me and watch me score, but instead he worked on his D and became among the best at two way play and inspired that team to become a real force in the next few years. I don't think Crosby is the calibre of human being to ever do it like Steve Y did it but time will tell.