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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: doublee313 on February 21, 2011, 08:00:31 PM
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Ok, I've been listing to rap since the 80's, and guess I'm a little confused on who get's "Produced By" "Mixed By" credit.
From my understanding, Dr. Dre makes the whole tracks and mixes. Recently reading D.O.C's interview, it sounds like he throws his name on tracks that someone else has worked on. Is this true? I mean we see Scott Storch, Timberland, etc, on like THE GAME's first album, and Dr. Dre production. D.O.C is saying he steals credit from other producers?
Does he just make the drums, piano, etc, and someone else finishes it? I know people talk a lot of bullshit, so I'm looking for someone that knows the process. There is a lot of hating going on over Dr. Dre right now, which I think is stupid. However, maybe I'm wrong not understanding the what goes into the production.
All these years I thought "Produced by" meant they did the track. Some Dr. Dre tracks say "Produced by Dr. Dre and so and do" That I can understand.
Maybe someone can clearify this for me.
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bringin a record/song to life, is production. thats Dre right there..
he always been like that i think. from Death Row-days to Aftermath-era,
wheter it was blueprints from Daz, Warren or Wolfe and blueprints from Elizondo, Khalil or Mel -
Dre added stuff on instrumentals, and brought em to life afterwards.
makin loose music/beat-blueprints/tracks sound like that, or this.. adding stuff here and there.
during recording-sessions, makin artists punch in here n there, "make it sound like this, make it sound like that",
"add a bridge there, chorus starts there, and this or that sound right after that part"
ORCHESTRATING the record/song. a beat is a beat, a record is a record.
thats producing.
he can make beats too, but he's not always workin like that i think.
Dr Dre is a mixer, Record/song-producer, alternatively a Beatmaker IMO.
both Snoop and Eminem described Dre as a msuician, in this way..
all the credit-produced songs he did for other artists - Dre was there in the studio, orchestrating the "song".
i dont think he ever PROTOOL-sent a beat to anybody.
like the beat he did for Brandy - Dre didnt allow Brandy to use it as her single,
cuz Dre wasnt there durin the recording-process, cuz he didnt feel like he "produced" it.
or when he recieved the grammy for the "Crack a Bottle"-song, he didnt even want in his house (XXL interview)
its a common misconception that if u dont add music to a record, that u dont deserve credit for that. especially in hiphop - where the "beat"/musical skeleton is considered the production.
this isnt true..
if a person is involved in a creation of a song, and ur not even playin anythin at all on it, far as intsruments or music -
but if ur adding input to the craeation with words/leadership.. thats production too
back in the 70's, u used to have 2 different credit-sections on the back of the album-covers ---
"Produced by..."
and
"Music by..."
that system hardly even exists anymore, specially not in HipHop.
(i think Ice Cube used credits like this, to thoroughly explain the song-creation,
in the credits for one of his "war & Peace"-albums
Death Row-kids didnt get any credit, cuz they didnt lead/orchestrate the specifc songs/records, like Dre did.
(surely, they deserved production or instrument-credits somewhere in the booklet cuz its confimred that
Daz did 3 or 4 beats for "Doggsytyle")
even Suge Knight got credit as a "producer" for some Death Row-songs (he orchestrated the records/songs,
or maybe he just wanted to flex some muscles that werent there, LOL)
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nice post, nice explanation.
on doggystyle, what beats did daz do besides aint no fun, serial killa, and for all my niggaz and bitchez? maybe just those three?
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nice post, nice explanation.
on doggystyle, what beats did daz do besides aint no fun, serial killa, and for all my niggaz and bitchez? maybe just those three?
That's never been confirmed. Everyone seems to say something different
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I don't think it was ever confirmed that Daz did those beats but he did say he did them. As for the D.O.C. interview, which one is it? I've never heard him say that other people produced for Dre.
I think the most recent article on the Making of the Documentary kind of breaks it down the best. Dre is the producer. The same way, a traditional rock & roll producer would take a new band's demo recording and have them replay every instrument to perfect the sound, Dre would take these recordings and basically re-do them from scratch with his studio team so everything sounds exactly how he wants it. He would have the rappers do numerous takes so the lyrics are exactly to his liking. That's what a producer does. He composes the music. Mixing is post-production after the song is completed. Two completely different credits though in a good number of cases, the producer and the guy who mixed down the record are the same person.
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nice post, nice explanation.
on doggystyle, what beats did daz do besides aint no fun, serial killa, and for all my niggaz and bitchez? maybe just those three?
That's never been confirmed. Everyone seems to say something different
it was confirmed. Daz is sayin one thing (not credible wit anythin),
but Kurupt confirmed it too,
plus the canadians recently gave Delmar Arnaud publishing-credit for his work on "Doggysytle".
u cant do that, without any evidence basicaly..
*Edit*
article from XXL or Vibe.com, coudlnt find it anymore - but i found a copy of the artcile from a forum.
Quote:
"I just got a check from Death Row [Records] from [Doggystyle]. Man, I love that album!"
I had just got a check for like $100,000 from Death Row Records - the new Death Row. They're paying royalties on all their music
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wxwz9MbOWYgJ:www.tintini.com/blogs/entry/Daz-thanked-his-decade-long-monster-dre-beats+I+just+got+a+check+from+Death+Row+%5BRecords%5D+from+%5BDoggystyle%5D.+Man,+I+love+that+album&cd=5&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se&source=www.google.se
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He said he got a check for Doggystyle in that article but again, that's not confirmation of him getting credit for producing anything. He already had writing credit established on the publishing with the songs he performed on plus co-writing "Murder Was The Case". This kinds of seems crazy though. How is Wideawake making enough off "Doggystyle" to pay $100,000 in royalties?
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the check was for the work on "Doggystyle".
ASCAP-writing/and ASCAP-music:
"Serial Killa"
and "For all myh nggaz bitchtes"
that is indicated in the article tho
and
Kurupt confirmed Daz-production on "Aint No Fun", and the other 2 tracks in interviews before
*****He already had writing credit established on the publishing with the songs he performed on plus co-writing "Murder Was The Case".*********
nah, that was for the remix
and that couldve been for music-writing
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I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.
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the check was for the work on "Doggystyle".
ASCAP-writing/and ASCAP-music:
"Serial Killa"
and "For all myh nggaz bitchtes"
that is indicated in the article tho
Where? I don't see daz mentioning that anywhere. The article writer seems to assume that though. Who wrote the article?
Kurupt confirmed Daz-production on "Aint No Fun", and the other 2 tracks in interviews before
really cuz I heard Warren G was claiming credit for Ain't No Fun
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I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.
I read a Snoop interview where he said Warren G and Nate brought the hook to Dre and Dre did the rest.
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I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.
I read a Snoop interview where he said Warren G and Nate brought the hook to Dre and Dre did the rest.
Warren G brought the beat in, Dre made it come to life. That's how Snoop described it.
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of course it does. read the article..
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The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project
why taking those specific songs in context (songs that ppl have argued about for ages), in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?
in Nima-interview, Snoop said Warren brought the sample for that "Aint no fun"-track if i remember correctly
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of course it does. read the article..
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The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project
why taking those songs in context, in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?
Because its something the article writer is saying in his own words. He obviously didn't ask daz about what songs he's getting paid for, otherwise it would have been a quote from daz. Its an assumption on the part of whoever wrote the article.
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of course it does. read the article..
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The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project
why taking those songs in context, in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?
Because its something the article writer is saying in his own words. He obviously didn't ask daz about what songs he's getting paid for, otherwise it would have been a quote from daz. Its an assumption on the part of whoever wrote the article.
no, its not an assumption.
what r u tryin to say, that the writer wrote that Daz thumped his chest assuminly for his work on those 2 random songs (took out of context)?
lol
cause if you're writin for XXL and Vibe-magaizne or any other publication, quote-on-quote/facts is liable by law..
or else, that wouldnt been published withou proper confidence about the credit for those song.
thats like Rollling Stone Magazine writin an article about Kurt Cobain, and sayin (just by assumption), that he wrote some Courtney Love records..
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of course it does. read the article..
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The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project
why taking those songs in context, in an article about Daz recevin a publishing-check for his work on "Doggystyle"?
money was for those songs, what else did he get paid for 18 yrs later?
Because its something the article writer is saying in his own words. He obviously didn't ask daz about what songs he's getting paid for, otherwise it would have been a quote from daz. Its an assumption on the part of whoever wrote the article.
no, its not an assumption.
what r u tryin to say, that the writer wrote that Daz thumped his chest assuminly for his work on those 2 random songs (took out of context)?
lol
cause if you're writin for XXL and Vibe-magaizne or any other publication, quote-on-quote is liable by law..
or else, that wouldnt been published withou proper confidence about the credit for those song.
thats like Rollling Stone Magazine writin an article about Kurt Cobain, and sayin (just by assumption), that he wrote some Courtney Love records..
I don't get what you mean. From reading that article all I can get is that daz said he got paid off of Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. And later, while typing up the article, the writer referred to him as "the producer and co-writer of Serial Killa...etc". Think about it a little. Its not that hard to read articles, especially after getting to know people who write them for a living. If Daz had said he got paid for producing those songs during the interview then the quote from daz would have established that. The quote is what daz actually said, the rest of the article is what the writer filled in, based on their own beliefs.
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maybe u should work on ur reading-capabilites a little, dude
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The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project
if the info is incorrect, the writer cant assume and visualize his assumptions in media as "real". law says it cant..
u cant assume stuff as a writer, and showcase stuff/beliefs as mere facts.
thats why everybody is so scared of lawsuits..
an explanable comparison:
if XXL wouldve interviewed Dr. Dre, and if the writer didnt have the facts, u think he could assume in the published article as facts:
that Dr. Dre produced "Dogg Food"?
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Dre speaking in 94.
What goes in to being a producer of a hit album [sic] like Doggystyle?
"A lotta hard work ya know. Kickin' it in the studio. A lotta people in the studio...ya know what I'm sayin...everybody drops their 2cents in the bucket, you know...I can't do it by myself. And we come up with a masterpiece."
http://www.youtube.com/v/Vs2M5TvoG_M
Emmanuel Dean is on tape saying he never got credit for playing keys on Doggystyle but he also said he got paid $6,000 for his work. Some guys just got their fee for being involved. You think Ruben Cruz got millions for singing on Let Me Ride just because he got a credit? The answer is everyone did their bit. So many ideas coming out of the sessions that cats probably all think each idea was their own.
Dre made it all happen. It was a phenomenal success. Each artist put 100% into the record, and they all wanted succes for the project and themselves to be the next big thing after the record went out. Dre was to produce for each one of them in turn but then came all the bullshit and nonsense to do with label politics and money. Add that up. Those superstars never happened in the same way and now people hate on Dre like he took that from them! :pimp:
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I believe Snoop confirmed Warren G did the beat for Ain't No Fun.
I read a Snoop interview where he said Warren G and Nate brought the hook to Dre and Dre did the rest.
in one of the dubcnn interviews with Warren G, he said that he didn't work on Doggystyle, but contributed to the Chronic
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Here is a quote from an infamous Snoop interview with dubcnn, that's coming from his mouth, and that's coming from someone who's dissing his own fam so it has to be true
"I seen him make tracks from scratch. My whole record the nigga made damn near everything from scratch. "Ain't No Fun", Daz and Warren G brought him the little *sings melody*, that's all they had! Dre took that muthafucka to the next level! Warren G brought in the Donny Hathaway, "Little Ghetto Boy, laying in the ghetto streets." Dre flipped it like "Hold on, gimme that!" Took that muthafucka and made it straight hit!
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/snoopdogg06/part4/
Dubcnn: So you're saying it's wrong that Daz or Warren G would claim that they didn't get the credit they deserved on The Chronic or Doggystyle?
I'ma say it like this: they didn't deserve the credit back then because they didn't do the work. They made beats, Dre produced that record. Point blank, and I'd say it in they face. They made beats, cuzz produced the record. If you a real nigga in the rap game, you'll understand what I'm saying. I can make a beat, but I can't produce! I can make a beat, but can I tell a nigga what to rap about, can I tell him when to come with the hook? Can you break the beat down? That's what producing is."
So Daz & Warren at least contributed to Ain't No Fun on Doggystyle.Daz also claims to have made the beats for Serial Killa and For All My Niggaz And My Bitches, and it doesn't sound ludicrous.
I agree with Imsohappy...'s description of a producer but as he said that's not what most mean by producer in Hip Hop. A producer doesn't even have to be a beatmaker though, Elvis was producing most of his records at the end of his career, it meant that he'd have the music played exactly how he wanted to be played and he imposed his vision for his song. And you can see it in hip hop too, for example on Gang Starr's Moment of Truth, all songs were co-produced by Guru, I think it meant Guru added his input to the song by saying how he wanted this or that to sound and Primo must have made it happen. Same thing with SCC's N Gatz We Truss. You see a lot of "co-produced by LV/Havikk The Rhyme Son/DJ Gripp/Whatever". To me, Prode'je must have been the overseer and them were just giving input, and then you had musicians like Tomie & Rob to play the live instruments.
Shorty B. also speaks on his definition of a producer too :
"but you got producers like Just Blaze and all that doin’ that Jay-Z shit, right? But I don’t respect, I mean I respect him as a man, bein’ black or white or whatever, cuz he’s feedin’ his family and all that, and I respect that you came up one way to feed you family. But I don’t respect you as a producer because you gotta take somebody else’s record and come up on it and make a hit that was already a hit?
When cats like me gotta go in there and create and think of what I’m gonna play and what it’s gonna be. I don’t get my hit records from somebody else ideals. I can’t respect you with fifty cents outta that shit. Now I respect real producers, who go in there and play, come up with the ideas and bring it to life! You know what I’m sayin, when it comes from your hands, your ideals, your imagination. That’s a producer to me. I’m not trippin’ on no Just Blaze and shit like that when you gotta go the first thing you do, and I done even see Rico Wade do this, but I been around Rico long enough to know that he IS very talented and he WILL get the job done by his own hands cuz I know he a Pisces and he talented like that. But what I don’t understand is there’s no way I can respect you, no matter how multi-platinum you is, comin’ up off someone else’s shit! And then I’m supposed to respect you. Like you the shit. But then there’s cats like me that gotta go in there and make it up, play it and everything, put all the hard work into it, and then don’t really get the props for it! But you gonna go give him his props when he done took somebody else’s record and put another drum beat to it?! "
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/shortyb/
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Ok, I've been listing to rap since the 80's, and guess I'm a little confused on who get's "Produced By" "Mixed By" credit.
From my understanding, Dr. Dre makes the whole tracks and mixes. Recently reading D.O.C's interview, it sounds like he throws his name on tracks that someone else has worked on. Is this true? I mean we see Scott Storch, Timberland, etc, on like THE GAME's first album, and Dr. Dre production. D.O.C is saying he steals credit from other producers?
Where did he say that? I thought that it was a known fact that Dr. Dre don't usually create the beat. He just "produces" and mixes the records, what-ever-the-fuck-you wanna call it. I always thought that it's the same thing, but i guess to some people it ain't.
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Too many good posts can't quote em all. I agree with a lot of the definitions. My 2 cents...
Rap is different than most genres b/c "beat-maker" is often synonymous with "producer." You don't get that in rock or other genres. Look at Rick Ruben and how he does his thing. He goes from Dixie Chicks to Jay-Z to whoever. He is a producer, just like the definitions above. See the Snoop interview above.
Making a beat is not the same as producing. You can sit in a cave and make beats all day and email them to artists but it doesn't mean you produced the finished record. I think this is where it gets all misunderstood with Dre b/c if you don't know the process then its hard to understand.
The most basic analogy I can think of is a conductor and an orchestra. Yea all the musicians are classically trained and elite, but they can't work together without that conductor.
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of course it does. read the article..
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The producer and co-writer of "Serial Killa" and "For All My Niggaz & Bitches" thumped his chest about his closeness to the acclaimed project
Uh, even if the article were saying what you feel it implies, it would still be incorrect. If Daz did produce on either of those songs, he'd be a co-producer with Dre. Dre already has his credit as a producer. They may be listing him as a producer but also stating he co-wrote those two songs. Like I said, it's not confirmation. If he's getting royalties for those, it's probably because he wrote and performed on both of them. I'm not saying he didn't have a bigger hand on the production side because I certainly wasn't there but that article is far from a smoking gun.
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if the info is incorrect, the writer cant assume and visualize his assumptions in media as "real". law says it cant..
u cant assume stuff as a writer, and showcase stuff/beliefs as mere facts.
thats why everybody is so scared of lawsuits..
You must not read many interviews. It happens all the time. 90% of the time writer bias fucks with the actual truth of any article. Don't you remember all those articles that confused Bishop Lamont with Slim the Mobster on "It Could Have Been You"? What about all these news stories that have Dr. Dre was a producer on Kush when he isn't on the official single? One rumor happens and all of a sudden all these article writers are saying it like its fact. You can't take anything for granted.
Basically anything that's not a quote in an article is something that the writer is saying. That's just simple interpretation, my man.
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"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.
and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.
Daz Dillinger and Emanuel Dean both contributed productino-wise and/or instruments to "Doggysytle".
and the lousy "he-didnt-get-credit-in-the-album-credits" argument doenst work.
just becuz somethin isnt etched in stone, doesnt mean it didnt happen.
Pete Rock wasnt credited on some ATCQ-records, but its still proven that he did some work..
and while we're talkin A Tribe Called Quest,
r u familiar wit the line..
"rule #4080 - record-company people are shady"??
reflect over taht, for a minute - n discover logic
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Ok, I've been listing to rap since the 80's, and guess I'm a little confused on who get's "Produced By" "Mixed By" credit.
From my understanding, Dr. Dre makes the whole tracks and mixes. Recently reading D.O.C's interview, it sounds like he throws his name on tracks that someone else has worked on. Is this true? I mean we see Scott Storch, Timberland, etc, on like THE GAME's first album, and Dr. Dre production. D.O.C is saying he steals credit from other producers?
Where did he say that? I thought that it was a known fact that Dr. Dre don't usually create the beat. He just "produces" and mixes the records, what-ever-the-fuck-you wanna call it. I always thought that it's the same thing, but i guess to some people it ain't.
Hard to say because in some cases he does create the beat and in some cases he doesn't. But for most of his career he's had a coproducer, so its hard to tell who does what and whether Dre was the one who came up with the beat. I mean even on the N.W.A. albums he was a co-producer with Yella, and the only reason we know he was the main one responsible for the sound then was because the other group members confirmed it.
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"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.
and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.
How do you know what Daz got paid for? Did we read the same article? Daz is quoted as saying he got paid for Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. Then the article writer calls him the producer for 2 tracks. That's something the writer is saying. You gotta at least know how to read stories.
Also, Snoop didn't confirm that Daz made any beats. Read the dubcnn interview with Snoop. He says they brought a sample to Dre and then Dre made the beat. Shit I be finding songs samples and posting them up for dubcc members to fuck with. That doesn't make me a producer does it?
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"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.
and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.
How do you know what Daz got paid for? Did we read the same article? Daz is quoted as saying he got paid for Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. Then the article writer calls him the producer for 2 tracks. That's something the writer is saying. You gotta at least know how to read stories.
i know it bcuz of my dear friend named "logic".
theres no sense in payin the man a 100 stacks for work,
that he already had partial ASCAP-credited publishing for..
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Snoop did confirm it
r u literarly blind, or r u still workin on the improveement of ur readin-abilites -
like i promted u to?
Dubcnn: So you're saying it's wrong that Daz or Warren G would claim that they didn't get the credit they deserved on The Chronic or Doggystyle?
I'ma say it like this: they didn't deserve the
credit back then because they didn't do the work. They made beats,
Dre produced that record. Point blank, and I'd say it in they face.
They made beats, cuzz produced the record. If you a real nigga in the rap game,
you'll understand what I'm saying. I can make a beat, but I can't produce!
I can make a beat, but can I tell a nigga what to rap about, can I tell
him when to come with the hook? Can you break the beat down? That's what producing is."
"Ain't No Fun", Daz and Warren G brought him the little
*sings melody*, that's all they had! Dre took that muthafucka to the next level!
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"naysayer-paranoia" is fascinating.
nails in the coffin already, its been confrimed that Daz did the beats in numerous ways.
dig through the whole thread..
Daz, Kurupt and Snoop confirmed it, and the WideAwake-payment for his uncredited work on the "Doggystyle"-album
confimrs it.
why r u beatin around the bush?
the article/interview implies that Daz also got paid for his proudction and writing on those 2 mentioned songs,
the journalist cuouldnt assume it, cuz if he did - it wouldve been prsented as an "assumtion"
in the published article.
and no, Daz didnt get paid 100000US$ bcuz of his contributed work on those other tracks he perofrmed on. couldnt been sole reason
(cuz he was already ASCAP-tied to some of em, and had generated publishing for some of them already)..
the paper also served as an overdue 18year-compensation for those 2 songs (at least), and thats why Daz is "thumpin his chest"
in the article.
How do you know what Daz got paid for? Did we read the same article? Daz is quoted as saying he got paid for Doggystyle and then thumped his chest. Then the article writer calls him the producer for 2 tracks. That's something the writer is saying. You gotta at least know how to read stories.
i know it bcuz of my dear friend named "logic".
theres no sense in payin the man a 100 stacks for work,
that he already had partial ASCAP-credited publishing for..
It would make sense that's what he was getting paid for. Do you really think Suge has been handing these dudes checks all these years after they said fuck him and left Death Row? There's tons of money from the album sales all these years that these guys are never seeing. WideAwake took over and decided to finally start paying these artists for their work.
Let's say you're right and Daz did some production on Doggystyle. I don't even see how its possible they would be paying him for something he never received credit for. Do you really think WideAwake has any idea who produced what, beyond what the credits say? How would they decide who to pay? I don't think they'd be idiotic enough to just start handing out money to anyone who claims to have worked on a record.
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And Daz talks a gang of shit at times! Love it! I saw a recent vid of him, and he claimed to have written all the skits on the The Chronic too. :laugh:
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Exactly..
Daz, Snoop, Kurupt & RBX got paid in royalties for various
"Doggystle" work durin the yrs, cuz they were always credited on ASCAP..
now, the money that was given to Daz previously last yr --
theres no sense in payin 100 stacks (alot of fuckin money for an independent company) to a dude, if
dude already caked up in cent-generatin durin the yrs - unless he did deserve more of it
the Suge Knight-situation is non-essential.
as long as ur tied to a record wit ur name on ASCAP n a publishing-company, ur entitled to money out of the bucket
Daz said "fuck Suge Knight" for yrs - stilll caked up like a muffucca for his work on "ambitonz az a ridah" and "2 of amerikaz"..
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Exactly..
Daz, Snoop, Kurupt & RBX got paid in royalties for various
"Doggystle" work durin the yrs, cuz they were always credited on ASCAP..
now, the money that was given to Daz previously last yr --
theres no sense in payin 100 stacks (alot of fuckin money for an independent company) to a dude, if
dude already caked up in cent-generatin durin the yrs - unless he did deserve more of it
the Suge Knight-situation is non-essential.
as long as ur tied to a record wit ur name on ASCAP n a publishing-company, ur entitled to money out of the bucket
Daz said "fuck Suge Knight" for yrs - stilll caked up like a muffucca for his work on "ambitonz az a ridah" and "2 of amerikaz"..
What if it was Daz's regular royalties for all his shit @ Death Row from 98 to now?
Perhaps they never paid him after he left.
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Exactly..
Daz, Snoop, Kurupt & RBX got paid in royalties for various
"Doggystle" work durin the yrs, cuz they were always credited on ASCAP..
now, the money that was given to Daz previously last yr --
theres no sense in payin 100 stacks (alot of fuckin money for an independent company) to a dude, if
dude already caked up in cent-generatin durin the yrs - unless he did deserve more of it
the Suge Knight-situation is non-essential.
as long as ur tied to a record wit ur name on ASCAP n a publishing-company, ur entitled to money out of the bucket
Daz said "fuck Suge Knight" for yrs - stilll caked up like a muffucca for his work on "ambitonz az a ridah" and "2 of amerikaz"..
What if it was Daz's regular royalties for all his shit @ Death Row from 98 to now?
Perhaps they never paid him after he left.
im quite sure that's it.
wideawake confirmed that a lot of artists & producers weren't fairly compensated & wanted to fix it.
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Exactly..
Daz, Snoop, Kurupt & RBX got paid in royalties for various
"Doggystle" work durin the yrs, cuz they were always credited on ASCAP..
now, the money that was given to Daz previously last yr --
theres no sense in payin 100 stacks (alot of fuckin money for an independent company) to a dude, if
dude already caked up in cent-generatin durin the yrs - unless he did deserve more of it
the Suge Knight-situation is non-essential.
as long as ur tied to a record wit ur name on ASCAP n a publishing-company, ur entitled to money out of the bucket
Daz said "fuck Suge Knight" for yrs - stilll caked up like a muffucca for his work on "ambitonz az a ridah" and "2 of amerikaz"..
What if it was Daz's regular royalties for all his shit @ Death Row from 98 to now?
Perhaps they never paid him after he left.
Daz was always credited wit his name as a writer on some "Doggysytle"-records
(wether it was prod or lyrics, dunno) - but hes name was there.
if ur name is tied to a song, ur entitled
juristicially to a piece of the cake, that the song is generatin.
but u need to have a publishing-company too,
n i think "Suge Publishing" was the only company credited on ASCAP at the time.
but thing is, after u register a publishin-company (Snoop wit "My Own Chit Music" etc etc) -
ur entitled to paper from old songs that u were credited for as a writer.
not 110% sure how it works tho.
???
guess whatever reason for the sudden lottery-payment to Daz Dillinger, is unknown.
but why the payment was made specifically to Daz n not the other artists, is interestin
(further implies the "reasons" of the money-check). After all, Snoop wasnt registered wit a
company at the time neither, so why wasnt he compensated for the records of his own album, by WideAwake?
cuz he's a millionare already, & dont "deserve" it as much? nah, doesnt make sense
however,
its safe to say that Daz did produce those 2 records (at least) wit the article-confirmation, & after
adding the other confimrations to the gumbo-pot
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if the info is incorrect, the writer cant assume and visualize his assumptions in media as "real". law says it cant..
u cant assume stuff as a writer, and showcase stuff/beliefs as mere facts.
thats why everybody is so scared of lawsuits..
You must not read many interviews. It happens all the time. 90% of the time writer bias fucks with the actual truth of any article. Don't you remember all those articles that confused Bishop Lamont with Slim the Mobster on "It Could Have Been You"? What about all these news stories that have Dr. Dre was a producer on Kush when he isn't on the official single? One rumor happens and all of a sudden all these article writers are saying it like its fact. You can't take anything for granted.
Basically anything that's not a quote in an article is something that the writer is saying. That's just simple interpretation, my man.
im familiar wit the lawsuit-parnaoia that dropped like a
bomb on the media-world in the early 00's
since then,
if somethin is just assumption or belief,
it is always indicated in that specific article, that it is "gossip"/"rumour"
media is liable to lean on
"truth", when they make statements
if the Dr. Dre-song "kush" was showcased as a Dre-production at the time,
when the news broke out about it,
it was most likely premiered as a "fact" to that journalist.
jounralist cant assume stuff, n then present/indicate that as "facts".
(plus, i think all established/professional websites didnt even say
antyhin about the production-credit
for "Kush",
just a few fanmade-sites. what site r u talkn bout?)
that was 1 exmple tho,
n u said 90 percent now, really?
extremely desilusioned way of lookin at things IMO
media is 'posed to serve as a reflection of documented tuth,
tahts why ppl are relyin on media.
theres that old sayin, "dont believe everythin u read in the news"
i cant understand that to an extent, but it doesnt work like that anymore.
media are responsible for the etched-in-stone journalism,
thats why they stepped their game up - n are more serious
(mainly cuz of the lawsuit-paranoia)
but judgin by ur comprehension,
its reasonable to brush everythin off as lies/rumours or assumptions by journalists?
ok, cool
ill keep that in mind, next time i watch the news
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however,
its safe to say that Daz did produce those 2 records (at least) wit the article-confirmation, & after
adding the other confimrations to the gumbo-pot
I don't agree. Confirmation is confirmation. Adding up five stories doesn't equal confirmation to me. If you have one solid one that CONFIRMS it, that's all it takes. Snoop says out of his own mouth that Dre produced those records and Daz worked on them. He also said D.O.C. helped coach him on "G-Thang" without arguing for D.O.C. to be a producer on that record. Nobody has ever argued that Dre made everything on Chronic and Doggystyle from conception to final mix. When you have a studio full of talented people, everyone is going to contribute on a lot of ends but Dre more than likely decided what stayed and what went so that makes that man the producer.
Daz Dillinger and Emanuel Dean both contributed productino-wise and/or instruments to "Doggysytle".
The Emmanuel Dean interview that I saw never once eluded to the idea that Dean PRODUCED any of those records, only that he played certain instruments for Dre and wasn't given the proper credit for it. In fact, if you watch the DPG Eulogy interview, Emmanuel Dean says, "He (Dre) DEFINITELY made the beat". Dean never once discredits Dre as being the producer of the music or accusses him of stealing credit from him. In the interview, he calls Dre "one of the most talented people in the world" and says he (Dre) never denied him (Dean) credit for what he did but that he didn't receive the necessary compensation or publishing from Death Row at the time. The story often gets mislabeled as "Dre stole Emmanuel Dean's beats and claim them as his own" when the actual story that Emmanuel Dean is telling in that interview is that "He played the music and didn’t get the credit.” That is nowhere near the same thing as saying he produced the song with Dre but Dre took all the credit. For instance if you look at Thriller as a comparative example, Emmanuel Dean wouldn’t be the “Quincy Jones” role in those songs. He’d be Rod Temperton or Michael Boddicker. He’s not mad because Dre is credited as the producer. He never disputes this. He’s mad because instead of a credit that says “keyboards by Emmanuel Dean”, which would have entitled him to royalties and a platinum plaque on the wall, he got “Special Thanks – Porkchop”.
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Dre produced Doggystyle, i think it's pointless to question that.
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cool story, bro..
thing is,
the argument was who did the beats for those songs,
not produced/orchestrated/conducted the songs.
guess ur confused, when i said "produced" -
a beat is a main key of any podction, hence "poduced by Daz".
u said that confimration is confirmation, right? ???
we have confirmation, the XXL (or Vibe)-article was just the cream of the crop.
Snoop already confirmed that Daz did the beats - hence,
he contributed in production, hence produced (or additionaly produced,
co-produced - whatever cup of tea u prefer)..
hard to understand the tone of the argument in this thread?
or do i have to break it down, like "Daz contributed
production-wise" in every sentence of my posts?
like u said "confirmation is confirmation", and we have taht.
ur beating around the bush, all the time tho
The Emmanuel Dean interview that I saw never once eluded to the
idea that Dean PRODUCED any of those records, only that he played certain instruments
again, heres my quote:
"Daz Dillinger and Emanuel Dean both contributed productino-wise and/or
instruments to "Doggysytle"
i never said that Dean produced/conducted/orchestrated the "Gin & juice" SONG, but he did
play the keyboards on there,
and added an important musical skeleteon (keyboards, one of the
main rythms, "dan-dan-daan-dan-dan-daaa") - production
hence, "Daz Dillinger and Emanuel Dean both contributed productino-wise and/or
instruments to "Doggysytle"
in Daz' case, he even made the beats (as confirmed by Snoop Dogg) - thats production. hence,
produced by Daz
feel like ur jumpin on to things, n imagining that im takin Dre's part out-of-context
when i say "produced by such & such".
im not
He’s mad because instead of a
credit that says “keyboards by Emmanuel Dean”, which would have
entitled him to royalties
???
never knew dude was mad, but -
nah, ur not entitled to royalties if u play keyboards, unless u get credited
music-writing (translation: production) for that..
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"Porkchop"
:)
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Anyone know about INAD video?
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Ok to simplify things.... I Doublee make a beat and throw some keyboards in it. I pass it on to you, and you clean it up, make it sound better, and it's a 2 million dollar hit! Are you putting Produced by: You? I just get a check from you for the beat and basic layout of the song? Am I entitled to a payout per album/single sold?
It sounds like Daz made the basics to a lot of the songs, but didn't finalize them. That's why Daz's beats now sound ok, but they could be stepped up a bit if Dre or Scott Strorch, Mike Dean touched them up.
Am I correct?
Also, the guy asking about the D.O.C article. Check out:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=263361.0
He's saying he didn't get a $$$ for any of his work through out his career with Deathrow and Aftermath. That's hard to believe.