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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: rifraf on October 25, 2013, 06:38:14 AM
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How come Em went from "The guy who barely saved my life" to "I need a doctor" and then don't have the Doc invovle on TMMLP 2 ?
No feature, no production and he asked Rick Rubin to do the executive production on the lp.
I know Dre is listed also but i 'm sure he's not involved. That's not too différent from GKMC.
that's sad because they made some classics together http://<iframe width="880" height="1200" background-color:#F999" src=="http://anonym.to/?http://musique.jeuxactu.com/video-tha-dogg-pound-feat-snoop-dogg-boucin-9314.htm"</iframe>....
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Dre ain't got the time to be workin' on music.
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How come Em went from "The guy who barely saved my life" to "I need a doctor" and then don't have the Doc invovle on TMMLP 2 ?
No feature, no production and he asked Rick Rubin to do the executive production on the lp.
I know Dre is listed also but i 'm sure he's not involved. That's not too différent from GKMC.
that's sad because they made some classics together http://<iframe width="880" height="1200" background-color:#F999" src=="http://anonym.to/?http://musique.jeuxactu.com/video-tha-dogg-pound-feat-snoop-dogg-boucin-9314.htm"</iframe>....
dre was pretty involved with GKMC, plenty of 'mixing' credits and likely uncredited input besides that. they were even working on the album with him at his house.
the eminem who knows...
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Dre pretty involved with GMKC ? They shoot a vidéo for a track and didnt release it...
They push The singles without Dre on it.
maybe he produced some beats but they werent hot enough to make the final cut, that how i see it
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btw i think Dre's guidance & mixing helped GKMC immensely even if i'm not the biggest fan of the album. it's all in the little details. can appreciate it for what it is though.
whether dre lost his touch? yes in some respects no in others. it's hard to be an artist if you're knee deep in money and surrounded by yes men. hard, but not impossible mind you, dre just got lost somewhere trying to please too many people. maybe he has amazing unreleased music? that's great but some of his more recent output is shitty.
eminem on the other hand, dudes shtick is pretty much exhausted and it's no wonder he's releasing a deliberately 'nostaligic' album. there's nothing left for him to rap about. same reason you see all these remakes of 80s/90s movies and old videogames everywhere - the industry as a whole is creatively bankrupt. interscope know he sells and while technically still impressive, his time as an an artist long since passed. should probably stick making comedy/horrorcore albums.
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yea, dre's signature sound is all over GKMC.....
and i duno what u on, cuz the first commercial i seen for MMLP2 ended with big letters proclaimin "Produced by Dr Dre and Rick Rubin"
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If Dre ain't producing on the album, I doubt it's because he and Em fell out. The first two singles they pushed on Detox were not credited as being PRODUCED by Dre and as others have said, he didn't have any tracks on GKMC. My feeling is Dre is falling back from producing a bit until he finds a sound he is comfortable with putting his name on.
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Relapse = 15 weak Dre beats and a disappointment overall . They lost their chemistry and it just isn't the same . So , Em is looking elsewhere .
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the beats on relapse were dope as fuc
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When are you guys going to realize that a producer doesnt consist of making a beat only, its way more than that , and it is clear that Dr.Dre<s producing skills are in the mixing
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When are you guys going to realize that a producer doesnt consist of making a beat only, its way more than that , and it is clear that Dr.Dre<s producing skills are in the mixing
FAR MORE THAN THE MIXING, BUT I GET WHAT UR SAYIN
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Relapse = 15 weak Dre beats and a disappointment overall . They lost their chemistry and it just isn't the same . So , Em is looking elsewhere .
You need to lay off the bath salt, ain't one weak Dre beat on Relapse.
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Why is DOCs name in all this? I'm confused
And.. as for Eminem, the Relapse album bombed and was Ems biggest failure of his career. They thought just throwing him and dre in the studio would bring em back and it didn't work. They still have love for each other its just that the Relapse formula didn't work
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Why is DOCs name in all this? I'm confused.
He didn't say DOC. He said the Doc as in Dre.
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....another troll with his 4th or 5th dubcnn account, tryna pass off as a noob.
you kids make multiple accounts and then make bullshit after bulshit threads...
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Why is DOCs name in all this? I'm confused
And.. as for Eminem, the Relapse album bombed and was Ems biggest failure of his career. They thought just throwing him and dre in the studio would bring em back and it didn't work. They still have love for each other its just that the Relapse formula didn't work
Biggest failure? Do you cats know what you're talking about or do you post on here to live out your fantasy of being a 'music expert'? Relapse formula very much so worked, here's a link for you to rotate on https://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/268533/eminems-relapse-tops-billboard-200&rct=j&sa=U&ei=2fVrUojPJcLWyQHBooGQCQ&ved=0CD8QFjAC&q=Relapse+sales&usg=AFQjCNHIfSNd6_rHG0vXmbOlGC5RL6A7-w it definitely did what it was supposed to do. Some people are too close minded to see that album was a concept album Dre's beats fit that concept. That my friends, is what a producer is supposed to do. Make the project work. Some of y'all trapped in the 90s, just discovered Death Row's catalog on YouTube cats probably wanted Dre to lace Em with some Gfunk shit on an album that's based on a serial killer's point of view. That is one of my favorite albums personally but some people don't like it, that's the beauty of art though (its all opinion based) so I can't be mad. But for you to say it was a failure when it set records for that year, get ya facts straight.
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How come Em went from "The guy who barely saved my life" to "I need a doctor" and then don't have the Doc invovle on TMMLP 2 ?
No feature, no production and he asked Rick Rubin to do the executive production on the lp.
I know Dre is listed also but i 'm sure he's not involved. That's not too différent from GKMC.
that's sad because they made some classics together http://<iframe width="880" height="1200" background-color:#F999" src=="http://anonym.to/?http://musique.jeuxactu.com/video-tha-dogg-pound-feat-snoop-dogg-boucin-9314.htm"</iframe>....
Oh and how do we know Dr. Dre is not involved, did the producer credits leak?
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This nigga Dre could take naps and shits for the rest of his life and will still be making millions. Why deal with egos and pressures from record labels?
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the beats on relapse were dope as fuc
Beats were fucking insane and fit the theme of the songs. Em was on the psycho tip and the beats rolled over perfectly. That album is underrated IMO. Eminem went bonkers on a lyrical standpoint and literally psychotic. I know it threw some people off because of the shit he was talking about but I thought the album was crazy. As far as the beats, I agree the were fucking sick. Dudes must be deaf.
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Relapse = 15 weak Dre beats and a disappointment overall . They lost their chemistry and it just isn't the same . So , Em is looking elsewhere .
This is not true!
If we are talking about the beats on relapse; the production was on a high standard. I enjoyed the consistency of it. Em's flow fitted the beats. You can argue about his rap style (accents), but beat selection was superb.
The reason why Eminem chose another music direction is because his manager Paul Rosenberg linked Rick Rubin with eminem.
Eminem always wanted to work with him. So now you have got two executive producers; Dr. Dre and Rick Rubin.
I am 100% sure that Dre has givin his input on the album, because i remember that Dre said in an interview that they just finished with em's new album.
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"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
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the beats on relapse were dope as fuc
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No leak of production credits yet , but I know Dre has 4 beats on here and Rubin has 3 . Khalil has 3 also and and Just Blaze 2 . No Alex Da Kid beats .. ..... Alright I'm just hoping it's like that .
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"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
and lyrically, he wasnt far out his prime either...duno about top notch dre beats, but they were some of the best beats durin time period in hip-hop
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Why is DOCs name in all this? I'm confused
And.. as for Eminem, the Relapse album bombed and was Ems biggest failure of his career. They thought just throwing him and dre in the studio would bring em back and it didn't work. They still have love for each other its just that the Relapse formula didn't work
Biggest failure? Do you cats know what you're talking about or do you post on here to live out your fantasy of being a 'music expert'? Relapse formula very much so worked, here's a link for you to rotate on https://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/268533/eminems-relapse-tops-billboard-200&rct=j&sa=U&ei=2fVrUojPJcLWyQHBooGQCQ&ved=0CD8QFjAC&q=Relapse+sales&usg=AFQjCNHIfSNd6_rHG0vXmbOlGC5RL6A7-w it definitely did what it was supposed to do. Some people are too close minded to see that album was a concept album Dre's beats fit that concept. That my friends, is what a producer is supposed to do. Make the project work. Some of y'all trapped in the 90s, just discovered Death Row's catalog on YouTube cats probably wanted Dre to lace Em with some Gfunk shit on an album that's based on a serial killer's point of view. That is one of my favorite albums personally but some people don't like it, that's the beauty of art though (its all opinion based) so I can't be mad. But for you to say it was a failure when it set records for that year, get ya facts straight.
yea, recovery was far worse than relapse
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Dre too busy swimming in that Beats money, DuckTales style...
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I've almost accepted Dre lost his touch and the Dre era is finally over. He had a long run though, started in 1986 with "Boyz N The Hood" and ended in 2009 with the Relapse album.
R.I.P Dre era 1986-2009
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dr. dre need to hook back up wit t.i. and get back on his a-game. 8)
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I've almost accepted Dre lost his touch and the Dre era is finally over. He had a long run though, started in 1986 with "Boyz N The Hood" and ended in 2009 with the Relapse album.
R.I.P Dre era 1986-2009
I think he has another run in him. He just needs to find direction.
"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
I think Dre did strong production on it but I wasn't a big fan of the content at the time. A good album but not one of Em's better ones.
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"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
The album was Em spittin from the perspective of a serial killer so when he uses the accent that's him in character. I know some people that didn't understand the concept were probably like wtf, but that's what it was. You see songs like Beautiful & De Ja Vu were normal Em & not the serial killer so it didn't have the accents. MMLP was his best but Relapse is my favorite. I like concept albums and like others have said the production was on point! I would rather hear a Relapse 2 than a MMLP2 (which probably will be more of a Recovery 2).
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I've almost accepted Dre lost his touch and the Dre era is finally over. He had a long run though, started in 1986 with "Boyz N The Hood" and ended in 2009 with the Relapse album.
R.I.P Dre era 1986-2009
For some reason I think Dre is in the cut workin on some shit. He's been too quiet. It's been lil hints here & there from his inner circle (Terrace Martin, Xzibit, & Roscoe interviews) but I think he learned his lesson havin everybody & they momma in the mix blurring all the business (speaking about how dope Detox is, it's almost finished, a million & one pictures) which set false expectations from everyone. If he is working then he doing the right thing by keeping his circle tight, staying quiet, and letting the music speak for itself when it's time.
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I've gotten a similar impression. Maybe I'm too much on the Kool-Aid or what have you but my feeling is the reason Dre is dropping very few productions with his name on them is because he's waiting until that formula is right. Again, this is only a theory but we'll just have to see.
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"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
I've always really liked Relapse ever since I first put it in my CD player. Those Dre beats were sonically amazing and were most likely beats that Dre was going to use for his Detox album around that time period (some of them anyway).
Plus, if you look at it as a sort of concept album, where Eminem is coming from the perspective of a crazed serial killer/rapist, then it works. Most of his lyrics were top notch and he adapted his flow for each individual beat.
As far as Eminem and Dr. Dre falling out, I don't know how anyone could form this opinion since he's the executive producer on Eminem's new album.
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I've almost accepted Dre lost his touch and the Dre era is finally over. He had a long run though, started in 1986 with "Boyz N The Hood" and ended in 2009 with the Relapse album.
R.I.P Dre era 1986-2009
Pretty much.
Working to perfect what would be a $10 album, that would most likely be downloaded and circulated for free anyway? Or utilizing his time correctly to promote $200-300 for 1 pair of headphones, which can't be downloaded? It's a no brainer, and Dre got to where he was for being money hungry, not 'fame' hungry. There will be no money in an album in 2013 at his level.
We may see some 'leaks' or promo vids from a Detox project with it's sound used to promote the headphones, even though other top industry names already do it for him, but apart from that, I think it's time to forget about Dre
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"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
and lyrically, he wasnt far out his prime either...duno about top notch dre beats, but they were some of the best beats durin time period in hip-hop
Sometimes I don't agree with the way people evaluate beats. Relapse certainly had great beats but if the song doesn't work then what does it matter?
Like Nas for example. Sometimes less is more. His "Lost Tapes" album had really simple beats but they made for excellent songs. Then as a result of people complaining about his beats he went and overdid the production for his "Life Is Good" album and critics applauded it but I wasn't feeling it as much. I would prefer the simple beats from his unreleased tracks like "Darkness" over the overdone cinematic shit that was on "Life Is Good".
Like Em had more simple beats on Slim Shady LP but it still worked out great for him.
So my point is sometimes the beat can be too much and take away from the lyrics. Less is more.
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"Relapse" is one of those albums which I appreciate more as time goes by and Em keeps dropping duds...the only thing was the annoying accent at times but Em was definitely spitting over top notch Dre beats
and lyrically, he wasnt far out his prime either...duno about top notch dre beats, but they were some of the best beats durin time period in hip-hop
Sometimes I don't agree with the way people evaluate beats. Relapse certainly had great beats but if the song doesn't work then what does it matter?
Like Nas for example. Sometimes less is more. His "Lost Tapes" album had really simple beats but they made for excellent songs. Then as a result of people complaining about his beats he went and overdid the production for his "Life Is Good" album and critics applauded it but I wasn't feeling it as much. I would prefer the simple beats from his unreleased tracks like "Darkness" over the overdone cinematic shit that was on "Life Is Good".
Like Em had more simple beats on Slim Shady LP but it still worked out great for him.
So my point is sometimes the beat can be too much and take away from the lyrics. Less is more.
i agree, but i dont think the beats on relapse were overly complex..the biggest downfall was the accent, but it still shits on recovery
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Relapse was dope. End of discussion.
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Relapse was dope. End of discussion.
This, album was unfairly shitted on, and because of this we now have Eminem-Lite consistantly going for pop radio.