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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: kuruptDPG on August 18, 2015, 02:10:38 PM
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watched the film today, was impressed with it, if only it was longer lol but here what i was wanting to clarify/comment on certain scenes which could be fake/incorrect:
1) Did Eazy-E really get in touch with dre about reunion after he fired Heller?
2) There is no way Dre beat up anyone at Death Row Records when he was workin on cali love with pac lol, also it showed 2pac was doing Hail Mary...that song was done aftr All Eyez On Me though?
3) Snoop standing up to Suge when he met him for the first time? Again didnt happen lol
4) Dre already coming up with the name aftermath....really?
what y'all think of the following?
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THEY DEFINITELY TRIED TO MAKE DRE LOOK TOUGHER AND I QUESTIONED SOME OF THOSE SAME THINGS TOO.....BUT AS A WHOLE, THE MOVIE WAS GREAT AND MOST OF IT SEEMED ON POINT.
-THE HAIL MARY PART WAS CLEARLY INACCURATE
-DRE INITIALLY WANTED TO CALL HIS LABEL BLACK MARKET
-NO WORD ON WHETHER OR NOT EAZY REALLY WANTED TO GET IN ON A NWA REUNION, BUT FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, DRE AND EAZY BEEFED TIL DEATH AND THE PLAN FOR A REUNION WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE NWE (NIGGAZ WITOUT EAZY)...UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THEY DIDNT WANT THAT IN THE MOVIE THO.
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Dre and Eazy were discussing a reunion but there was still bad blood. They were nowhere near as close to making it happen as the movie suggests.
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From what I remember Eazy and Cube ran into each other and briefly talked about a reunion. Eazy didn't want Dre involved but Cube told him he'd only do it if all the original 5 was there.
Eazy and Dre never got a chance to speak about it and probably never would have.
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From what I remember Eazy and Cube ran into each other and briefly talked about a reunion. Eazy didn't want Dre involved but Cube told him he'd only do it if all the original 5 was there.
Eazy and Dre never got a chance to speak about it and probably never would have.
yup...somethin bout dre didnt make it in time to see him
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Any othr inaccurate scenes in the movie?
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I watched the movie this week. Ice Cube showed up and talked some words about the movie and they did it for the fans (usual marketing stuff). Was a surprise appearance, was really cool. I also noticed some "weird" stuff in the movie, but yeah, it's a movie....so they sugar coat everything and make sure that Dre and Cube get their shine. But overall it's a good movie with cool bits you can pick out like Dre working on "Nuthin' but a 'G' thang" and Snoop stepping in.
I agree with the stuff being posted here. But I also noticed when Snoop got introduced, Dre was working on "Deep Cover" and it seemed like Snoop was about to put in his work immediately (off camera). But from what Warren G told, Dre and Snoop's first record was "Gangsta's Life".
Also note how Dre played that "California Love" beat for 2Pac. Wasn't this a Dre solo record for Chronic 2 and Suge forced Dre to put 2Pac on there? Everything felt a bit too peacful. ;)
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They didn't go into the part where Dre dissed Eazy on Fuck Wit Dre Day
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They didn't go into the part where Dre dissed Eazy on Fuck Wit Dre Day
they definetly shouldv showed that...quite suprised they didnt
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One Suge and Homies went to dre house..Thats when Dre gave up masters and no money........ Dre wasnt socking nobody but chicks..Eazy hated Dre.. DOC was on songs They never showed NWA and the posse...Above the law beat up Cube and Lench mob.. Brotha Lynch label sued Dr dre for tryna use Black market Suge made it easy for Dre to b hard and i see why Suge wanted to talk them bout the movie...they did him foul
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they did try to sugarcoat shit, but thats how biopics work.....overall, they did a great job covering the significance of that era and NWA's impact. the one part i can say I was disappointed that they left out was the dre-eazy/death row-ruthless beef.....other than that, it may be the GOAT biopic.
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Above the law beat up Cube and Lench mob
they did show that in the movie, no? I mean they didn't specify who Cube and them were brawling with but I assumed that was supposed to be ATL...
they did try to sugarcoat shit, but thats how biopics work.....overall, they did a great job covering the significance of that era and NWA's impact. the one part i can say I was disappointed that they left out was the dre-eazy/death row-ruthless beef.....other than that, it may be the GOAT biopic.
100% agreed
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Above the law beat up Cube and Lench mob
i had no idea big hutch and kmg fought with ice cube etc
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Dr Dre's alleged assault of Dee Barnes appeared in an early script for Straight Outta Compton
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a664397/dr-dres-alleged-assault-of-dee-barnes-appeared-in-an-early-script-for-straight-outta-compton.html#~plTQtTruMn59mr
Hip-hop journalist Dee Barnes has criticized the N.W.A biopic Straight Outta Compton for omitting any mention of Dr. Dre's 1991 altercation with her. Dre pleaded no contest to misdemeanor battery in the incident and later settled a civil suit brought by Barnes. But it turns out that the infamous incident was in the movie's original script.
The Los Angeles Times reports that Jonathan Herman's original screenplay include the scene. Quoting from the screenplay, the paper describes a scene in which Dre, "eyes glazed, drunk, with an edge of nastiness, contempt," confronts Barnes verbally. Things escalate to the point where he begins “flinging her around like a rag-doll, while she screams, cries, begs for him to stop.”
According to the paper, the original script was 150 pages and the film's original cut was three and a half hours long, and the scene involving the attack on Barnes was just one of several that were excised from the finished picture. Other scenes that didn't make the film were ones in which Dre is shot four times in the leg, another where his house catches fire during a party and a flashback of his younger brother's death in a fight.
On Tuesday Gawker published a long piece in which Barnes recalled the attack and criticized the film for its omission saying, "I didn't want to see a depiction of me getting beat up," but calling the film a work of "revisionist history."
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Dr Dre's alleged assault of Dee Barnes appeared in an early script for Straight Outta Compton
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a664397/dr-dres-alleged-assault-of-dee-barnes-appeared-in-an-early-script-for-straight-outta-compton.html#~plTQtTruMn59mr
Hip-hop journalist Dee Barnes has criticized the N.W.A biopic Straight Outta Compton for omitting any mention of Dr. Dre's 1991 altercation with her. Dre pleaded no contest to misdemeanor battery in the incident and later settled a civil suit brought by Barnes. But it turns out that the infamous incident was in the movie's original script.
The Los Angeles Times reports that Jonathan Herman's original screenplay include the scene. Quoting from the screenplay, the paper describes a scene in which Dre, "eyes glazed, drunk, with an edge of nastiness, contempt," confronts Barnes verbally. Things escalate to the point where he begins “flinging her around like a rag-doll, while she screams, cries, begs for him to stop.”
According to the paper, the original script was 150 pages and the film's original cut was three and a half hours long, and the scene involving the attack on Barnes was just one of several that were excised from the finished picture. Other scenes that didn't make the film were ones in which Dre is shot four times in the leg, another where his house catches fire during a party and a flashback of his younger brother's death in a fight.
On Tuesday Gawker published a long piece in which Barnes recalled the attack and criticized the film for its omission saying, "I didn't want to see a depiction of me getting beat up," but calling the film a work of "revisionist history."
http://gawker.com/heres-whats-missing-from-straight-outta-compton-me-and-1724735910
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Having Pac perform Hail Mary in "1993" was retarded. I guess they think most people don't know the details of Pac's life well enough to catch it, but they might be wrong. Pac has a lot of die-hard fans, more than any other rapper.
They should have shown Pac recording an AEOM song in the studio like Ambitionz as a Ridah or How Do U Want It. That would have been a slightly more logical prelude to California Love.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
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The inconsistencies were results of lack of details. Down to Eazy E wearing a White Sox hat in 1986. Those little details make it seem like they didn't care. I have heard great things overall about the movie though, so I look forward to seeing it.
The NWA reunion, Eazy I guess really wanted to do it, but him and Dre were really beefing back then. I think had Eazy not gotten HIV though, once he dropped Suge and Eazy dropped Heller, then in 1996 we could have gotten more serious about it. Yella has mentioned that he really wanted to do NWA again. Sadly, one year after he died, Dre dropped Suge and it might have been a reality.
The whole Dee Barnes situation I think should have been covered, also Dre and Michel'le fighting. It's a big reason why Suge was able to get with Michel'le, because he told her a man should never hit a woman. Then of course Suge sent her to the hospital, which was fucked up. But I know because of time things got cut, and I am assuming they want to show Dre in a better light.
My thing, maybe they can spin this to a Rise and Fall of Death Row biopic. I think people would love that. Get more detailed there and go over Ruthless vs. Death Row.
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From what I remember Eazy and Cube ran into each other and briefly talked about a reunion. Eazy didn't want Dre involved but Cube told him he'd only do it if all the original 5 was there.
Eazy and Dre never got a chance to speak about it and probably never would have.
No, I remember hearing about the phone call with Dr. Dre before.
I would have liked if they went into the D.O.C.'s part in writing the lyrics, especially after Cube left the group. He was there but they glossed over that entirely. I do like how they showed him drunk in the studio talking shit.
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Dr Dre's alleged assault of Dee Barnes appeared in an early script for Straight Outta Compton
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a664397/dr-dres-alleged-assault-of-dee-barnes-appeared-in-an-early-script-for-straight-outta-compton.html#~plTQtTruMn59mr
Hip-hop journalist Dee Barnes has criticized the N.W.A biopic Straight Outta Compton for omitting any mention of Dr. Dre's 1991 altercation with her. Dre pleaded no contest to misdemeanor battery in the incident and later settled a civil suit brought by Barnes. But it turns out that the infamous incident was in the movie's original script.
The Los Angeles Times reports that Jonathan Herman's original screenplay include the scene. Quoting from the screenplay, the paper describes a scene in which Dre, "eyes glazed, drunk, with an edge of nastiness, contempt," confronts Barnes verbally. Things escalate to the point where he begins “flinging her around like a rag-doll, while she screams, cries, begs for him to stop.”
According to the paper, the original script was 150 pages and the film's original cut was three and a half hours long, and the scene involving the attack on Barnes was just one of several that were excised from the finished picture. Other scenes that didn't make the film were ones in which Dre is shot four times in the leg, another where his house catches fire during a party and a flashback of his younger brother's death in a fight.
On Tuesday Gawker published a long piece in which Barnes recalled the attack and criticized the film for its omission saying, "I didn't want to see a depiction of me getting beat up," but calling the film a work of "revisionist history."
lets hope some of this shit makes the directors cut
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
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The Suge/Eazy ambush didn't go down like that in the movie, Hollywood for ya.
This is a sample chapter of 'Gangsta Gangsta' from Heller's book which gives a detailed account, as Eazy told it:
https://odcom-4ff15d9323a57a01bb85817476ce615f.read.overdrive.com/
and ill throw this here -
‘Straight Outta Compton’ Fact-Check: How True Is the Explosive N.W.A. Biopic?
The hip-hop biopic Straight Outta Compton, about the rap group N.W.A., hits theaters Friday, and contains plenty of larger-than-life moments. Here, we separate fact vs. fiction.
It took four surviving members, four writers, several scripts, one legacy-wielding widow, and nearly three decades of acrimonious history to bring the story of hip-hop legends N.W.A. to the big screen. That’s a lot of rap Rashomon to wrangle into one cohesive Hollywood biopic.
So it’s no wonder the ambitious and sprawling Straight Outta Compton plays a little fast and loose with details as it recounts the explosive rise, bitter breakup, and enduring impact of the seminal gangsta rap group behind incendiary 1988 anthems like “Gangsta Gangsta,” “Straight Outta Compton,” and “Fuck Tha Police.”
Ice Cube and Dr. Dre’s buddy F. Gary Gray (Friday, The Italian Job) directs the period biopic with an insider’s eye and a nose for emotional gut punches that key into why the story of five young men from South Central rapping about police brutality and hood unrest in 1988 still resonates today, in an era of Trayvon Martins, Michael Browns, and Sandra Blands.
And Ice Cube, who jumped on an early version of the script back in 2009, is one of Straight Outta Compton’s six producers alongside Dre and Tomica Woods-Wright, Eazy-E’s surviving wife who’d inherited Ruthless Records from him after his death in 1995. Along with a soundtrack loaded with dozens of classic cuts from the dawn of West Coast rap, the film packs plenty of N.W.A. history into a script credited to Andrea Berloff, Jonathan Herman, Alan Wenkus, and S. Leigh Savidge.
But the attempt to lionize subjects Cube, Dre, MC Ren, DJ Yella, and the late Eazy-E while vilifying its antagonists—manager Jerry Heller, Death Row Records’ Suge Knight, cops, the press—tends to give the saga of the O.G. “reality” rappers a sheen of glossy Hollywood mythmaking. Even the players that lived through all the glory, strife, beatdowns, beefs, and brotherhood didn’t necessarily have the same memories of their shared history.
Dre witnesses Knight and his gangbanger buddies intimidating a man in his underwear with a dog in the Death Row Records offices—then leaves in protest and leads cops on a dramatic high-speed chase that ends with his arrest.
“There were things that I discovered making the movie,” Ice Cube recently told The Daily Beast. “I was discovering things about N.W.A. as I was making this movie, because [at the time] I was on my side of town going through what I was going through, and I didn’t necessarily know what they were going through until I started to interview them and research and rehearse.”
So what does Straight Outta Compton the movie get right (and romanticize) about gangsta rap’s O.G. crew?
1. IN THE MOVIE: Straight Outta Compton introduces its key players Andre Young (Dr. Dre), O’Shea Jackson (Ice Cube), and Eric Lynn Wright (Eazy-E) as South Central youngsters on their respective hustles—Dre a DJ scratching at a local club with buddy Antoine Carraby (DJ Yella), Cube a teenager writing rhymes on long bus rides to school from Compton to the Valley, Eazy slinging drugs while narrowly escaping brushes with the law. The formation of N.W.A., the film says, happens after Dre punches a guy who attacks his little brother one night. He’s arrested, Eazy bails him out of jail, and the rest is history.
IN REAL LIFE: According to recorded N.W.A. lore, Dre indeed landed in jail—but it was over unpaid tickets on his Mazda RX7. He paged Eazy to bail him out and to return the favor, agreed to produce a track for a record label Eazy wanted to start.
2. MOVIE: “Boyz-n-the-Hood,” the track that put Eazy-E on the map and started everything for Ruthless Records and N.W.A., almost didn’t happen: Ice Cube writes it for rap group H.B.O. (Home Boys Only), but the East Coasters balk at the lyrics and almost come to blows with Dre and his boys in the studio before Dre convinces Eazy to jump in the booth and give the track a stab.
REAL LIFE: New Yorkers H.B.O. recoiled at the song and walked out on the session, and into the annals of history’s forgotten MCs. Whether or not the scene went down as hilariously as in the film, which clowns them mercilessly and continues into a hilariously uncomfortable moment for non-lyricist Eazy, is unclear.
The hip-hop biopic ‘Straight Outta Compton,’ about the rap group N.W.A., hits theaters Friday, and contains plenty of larger-than-life moments. Here, we separate fact vs. fiction.
3. MOVIE: Eazy-E pacts with manager Jerry Heller after Heller hears “Boyz-n-the-Hood” and Heller pitches him on going into business together. They later form Ruthless Records and Heller lands N.W.A. a deal with Priority Records after a show in a roller rink.
REAL LIFE: In his 2007 memoir Ruthless, Heller (who was not involved with the film) remembers his meeting with Eazy going down way differently: It was Eazy who sought him out, not the other way around—and he even paid a mutual acquaintance $750 to make an introduction. The Priority deal went down the week after N.W.A. played a successful show at a local roller rink.
4. MOVIE: After signing with Priority, N.W.A. begins recording their landmark first album, Straight Outta Compton, in a Torrance, California, studio. One day they step outside, only to be brutally harassed by racist cops who hate rappers for looking like gangbangers as an outraged Heller looks on in shock.
REAL LIFE: The film conveniently dovetails this real-life incident with Dr. Dre’s personal family drama, but members of N.W.A. did get harassed by cops outside of Audio Achievements while recording Straight Outta Compton in 1987. Curiously, however, Arabian Prince—a part of the early incarnation of N.W.A. who worked on the album before slowly fading out of the group—has very little presence in the film.
5. MOVIE: At a packed 1989 show at Detroit’s Joe Louis Arena, N.W.A. is arrested for playing their controversial “Fuck Tha Police” onstage when uniformed and plainclothes cops descend from the crowd, chase the artists backstage, and handcuff them like folk hero outlaws in front of cheering fans.
REAL LIFE: The members of N.W.A. were hustled away from the arena by their security and whisked off to the safety of their hotel rooms—only to be arrested later when they sneaked down to the lobby to meet girls, according to Heller. “Around midnight, after the police riot at Joe Louis had been quelled, those same Detroit undercover cops merely strolled into the lobby of N.W.A.’ s hotel. There they found and detained Eazy, Dre, Cube, Ren, and Yella—a clean sweep.”
6. MOVIE: An increasingly disgruntled Ice Cube finally quits N.W.A. after voicing his displeasure over his contract status with Heller and Eazy.
REAL LIFE: Heller claims the group voted Cube out at the end of their first tour because of his griping about proper compensation.
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7. MOVIE: After leaving N.W.A., Ice Cube hits back at his ex-group’s insults by issuing “No Vaseline,” one of the greatest diss tracks of all-time. The beef leads to a violent altercation when Ruthless Records artists jump Cube and his Da Lench Mob crew at the New Music Seminar.
REAL LIFE: “There’s never been a good rapper from the sixty freeway,” Cube supposedly snarked after leaving N.W.A., igniting a violent feud with members of rap group Above the Law.
8. MOVIE: In one of N.W.A.’s most notorious interpersonal clashes, Eazy is called to meet with Dre, who wants out of his Ruthless contract so he can pact with Suge Knight’s Death Row Records. But it’s a set-up: Eazy walks into a mafia-like ambush where Knight and his goons beat him up to get him to release Dre from the label.
REAL LIFE: Dre has denied knowing of Knight’s plans that night in 1991. In his book, Heller corroborates the movie’s assertion that Eazy-E wanted to retaliate by killing Knight. He also claims that Knight wanted three Ruthless artists—Dre, D.O.C., and Dre’s girlfriend Michel’le (whom Knight later married)—released from their contracts so they could sign with Knight and Sony. A lawsuit against Dre, Knight, and Sony was later settled out of court.
9. MOVIE: Dre witnesses Knight and his gangbanger buddies intimidating a man in his underwear with a dog in the Death Row Records offices—then leaves in protest and leads cops on a dramatic high-speed chase that ends with his arrest.
REAL LIFE: Dre told The Hollywood Reporter that the scene really happened: “I was like, ‘What the f— is going on?’ I was ready to leave anyways. This was the extra push. The guy in the underwear—all this shit actually happened.” As for the arrest, Dre was sentenced to eight months in prison for drunk-driving his Ferrari through Beverly Hills in the late-night, 90-mph chase. Meanwhile, conspicuously absent from Straight Outta Compton is any attention paid to Dr. Dre’s most famous and controversial case: His violent assault of MTV personality Dee Barnes. An ensuing $22 million lawsuit was later settled out of court, and Dre unapologetically immortalized the attack in Eminem's 1999 single “Guilty Conscience.”
10. MOVIE: After being diagnosed with AIDS and hospitalized, Eazy is visited by former bandmate Dr. Dre. Ice Cube arrives to see him too, but can’t bring himself to enter Eazy’s room.
REAL LIFE: DJ Yella, who along with MC Ren was a consultant on the film, remained close to Eazy throughout the post-N.W.A. breakup beefing that saw Cube, Eazy, and Dre slinging insult tracks at one another. Yella was also the only member of N.W.A. to attend Eazy’s funeral.
Speaking to journalists this weekend in Beverly Hills, Straight Outta Compton producer Ice Cube acknowledged that the film is an expression of what N.W.A. lived through. “The record is real life moving at the speed of real life; this is a movie that looks back and is a piece of art,” he said.
“And if you don’t like the movie,” he joked, “you can kill yourself.”
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
He probably was that tough. We know he beat on women, he probably got into shit with dudes as well. He was Suge's star act and he owned half the label so he could probably get away with that.
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The Suge/Eazy ambush didn't go down like that in the movie, Hollywood for ya.
This is a sample from Heller's book which gives a detailed account, as Eazy told it:
https://odcom-4ff15d9323a57a01bb85817476ce615f.read.overdrive.com/
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‘Straight Outta Compton’ Fact-Check: How True Is the Explosive N.W.A. Biopic?
The hip-hop biopic Straight Outta Compton, about the rap group N.W.A., hits theaters Friday, and contains plenty of larger-than-life moments. Here, we separate fact vs. fiction.
It took four surviving members, four writers, several scripts, one legacy-wielding widow, and nearly three decades of acrimonious history to bring the story of hip-hop legends N.W.A. to the big screen. That’s a lot of rap Rashomon to wrangle into one cohesive Hollywood biopic.
So it’s no wonder the ambitious and sprawling Straight Outta Compton plays a little fast and loose with details as it recounts the explosive rise, bitter breakup, and enduring impact of the seminal gangsta rap group behind incendiary 1988 anthems like “Gangsta Gangsta,” “Straight Outta Compton,” and “Fuck Tha Police.”
Ice Cube and Dr. Dre’s buddy F. Gary Gray (Friday, The Italian Job) directs the period biopic with an insider’s eye and a nose for emotional gut punches that key into why the story of five young men from South Central rapping about police brutality and hood unrest in 1988 still resonates today, in an era of Trayvon Martins, Michael Browns, and Sandra Blands.
And Ice Cube, who jumped on an early version of the script back in 2009, is one of Straight Outta Compton’s six producers alongside Dre and Tomica Woods-Wright, Eazy-E’s surviving wife who’d inherited Ruthless Records from him after his death in 1995. Along with a soundtrack loaded with dozens of classic cuts from the dawn of West Coast rap, the film packs plenty of N.W.A. history into a script credited to Andrea Berloff, Jonathan Herman, Alan Wenkus, and S. Leigh Savidge.
But the attempt to lionize subjects Cube, Dre, MC Ren, DJ Yella, and the late Eazy-E while vilifying its antagonists—manager Jerry Heller, Death Row Records’ Suge Knight, cops, the press—tends to give the saga of the O.G. “reality” rappers a sheen of glossy Hollywood mythmaking. Even the players that lived through all the glory, strife, beatdowns, beefs, and brotherhood didn’t necessarily have the same memories of their shared history.
Dre witnesses Knight and his gangbanger buddies intimidating a man in his underwear with a dog in the Death Row Records offices—then leaves in protest and leads cops on a dramatic high-speed chase that ends with his arrest.
“There were things that I discovered making the movie,” Ice Cube recently told The Daily Beast. “I was discovering things about N.W.A. as I was making this movie, because [at the time] I was on my side of town going through what I was going through, and I didn’t necessarily know what they were going through until I started to interview them and research and rehearse.”
So what does Straight Outta Compton the movie get right (and romanticize) about gangsta rap’s O.G. crew?
1. IN THE MOVIE: Straight Outta Compton introduces its key players Andre Young (Dr. Dre), O’Shea Jackson (Ice Cube), and Eric Lynn Wright (Eazy-E) as South Central youngsters on their respective hustles—Dre a DJ scratching at a local club with buddy Antoine Carraby (DJ Yella), Cube a teenager writing rhymes on long bus rides to school from Compton to the Valley, Eazy slinging drugs while narrowly escaping brushes with the law. The formation of N.W.A., the film says, happens after Dre punches a guy who attacks his little brother one night. He’s arrested, Eazy bails him out of jail, and the rest is history.
IN REAL LIFE: According to recorded N.W.A. lore, Dre indeed landed in jail—but it was over unpaid tickets on his Mazda RX7. He paged Eazy to bail him out and to return the favor, agreed to produce a track for a record label Eazy wanted to start.
2. MOVIE: “Boyz-n-the-Hood,” the track that put Eazy-E on the map and started everything for Ruthless Records and N.W.A., almost didn’t happen: Ice Cube writes it for rap group H.B.O. (Home Boys Only), but the East Coasters balk at the lyrics and almost come to blows with Dre and his boys in the studio before Dre convinces Eazy to jump in the booth and give the track a stab.
REAL LIFE: New Yorkers H.B.O. recoiled at the song and walked out on the session, and into the annals of history’s forgotten MCs. Whether or not the scene went down as hilariously as in the film, which clowns them mercilessly and continues into a hilariously uncomfortable moment for non-lyricist Eazy, is unclear.
The hip-hop biopic ‘Straight Outta Compton,’ about the rap group N.W.A., hits theaters Friday, and contains plenty of larger-than-life moments. Here, we separate fact vs. fiction.
3. MOVIE: Eazy-E pacts with manager Jerry Heller after Heller hears “Boyz-n-the-Hood” and Heller pitches him on going into business together. They later form Ruthless Records and Heller lands N.W.A. a deal with Priority Records after a show in a roller rink.
REAL LIFE: In his 2007 memoir Ruthless, Heller (who was not involved with the film) remembers his meeting with Eazy going down way differently: It was Eazy who sought him out, not the other way around—and he even paid a mutual acquaintance $750 to make an introduction. The Priority deal went down the week after N.W.A. played a successful show at a local roller rink.
4. MOVIE: After signing with Priority, N.W.A. begins recording their landmark first album, Straight Outta Compton, in a Torrance, California, studio. One day they step outside, only to be brutally harassed by racist cops who hate rappers for looking like gangbangers as an outraged Heller looks on in shock.
REAL LIFE: The film conveniently dovetails this real-life incident with Dr. Dre’s personal family drama, but members of N.W.A. did get harassed by cops outside of Audio Achievements while recording Straight Outta Compton in 1987. Curiously, however, Arabian Prince—a part of the early incarnation of N.W.A. who worked on the album before slowly fading out of the group—has very little presence in the film.
5. MOVIE: At a packed 1989 show at Detroit’s Joe Louis Arena, N.W.A. is arrested for playing their controversial “Fuck Tha Police” onstage when uniformed and plainclothes cops descend from the crowd, chase the artists backstage, and handcuff them like folk hero outlaws in front of cheering fans.
REAL LIFE: The members of N.W.A. were hustled away from the arena by their security and whisked off to the safety of their hotel rooms—only to be arrested later when they sneaked down to the lobby to meet girls, according to Heller. “Around midnight, after the police riot at Joe Louis had been quelled, those same Detroit undercover cops merely strolled into the lobby of N.W.A.’ s hotel. There they found and detained Eazy, Dre, Cube, Ren, and Yella—a clean sweep.”
6. MOVIE: An increasingly disgruntled Ice Cube finally quits N.W.A. after voicing his displeasure over his contract status with Heller and Eazy.
REAL LIFE: Heller claims the group voted Cube out at the end of their first tour because of his griping about proper compensation.
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7. MOVIE: After leaving N.W.A., Ice Cube hits back at his ex-group’s insults by issuing “No Vaseline,” one of the greatest diss tracks of all-time. The beef leads to a violent altercation when Ruthless Records artists jump Cube and his Da Lench Mob crew at the New Music Seminar.
REAL LIFE: “There’s never been a good rapper from the sixty freeway,” Cube supposedly snarked after leaving N.W.A., igniting a violent feud with members of rap group Above the Law.
8. MOVIE: In one of N.W.A.’s most notorious interpersonal clashes, Eazy is called to meet with Dre, who wants out of his Ruthless contract so he can pact with Suge Knight’s Death Row Records. But it’s a set-up: Eazy walks into a mafia-like ambush where Knight and his goons beat him up to get him to release Dre from the label.
REAL LIFE: Dre has denied knowing of Knight’s plans that night in 1991. In his book, Heller corroborates the movie’s assertion that Eazy-E wanted to retaliate by killing Knight. He also claims that Knight wanted three Ruthless artists—Dre, D.O.C., and Dre’s girlfriend Michel’le (whom Knight later married)—released from their contracts so they could sign with Knight and Sony. A lawsuit against Dre, Knight, and Sony was later settled out of court.
9. MOVIE: Dre witnesses Knight and his gangbanger buddies intimidating a man in his underwear with a dog in the Death Row Records offices—then leaves in protest and leads cops on a dramatic high-speed chase that ends with his arrest.
REAL LIFE: Dre told The Hollywood Reporter that the scene really happened: “I was like, ‘What the f— is going on?’ I was ready to leave anyways. This was the extra push. The guy in the underwear—all this shit actually happened.” As for the arrest, Dre was sentenced to eight months in prison for drunk-driving his Ferrari through Beverly Hills in the late-night, 90-mph chase. Meanwhile, conspicuously absent from Straight Outta Compton is any attention paid to Dr. Dre’s most famous and controversial case: His violent assault of MTV personality Dee Barnes. An ensuing $22 million lawsuit was later settled out of court, and Dre unapologetically immortalized the attack in Eminem's 1999 single “Guilty Conscience.”
10. MOVIE: After being diagnosed with AIDS and hospitalized, Eazy is visited by former bandmate Dr. Dre. Ice Cube arrives to see him too, but can’t bring himself to enter Eazy’s room.
REAL LIFE: DJ Yella, who along with MC Ren was a consultant on the film, remained close to Eazy throughout the post-N.W.A. breakup beefing that saw Cube, Eazy, and Dre slinging insult tracks at one another. Yella was also the only member of N.W.A. to attend Eazy’s funeral.
Speaking to journalists this weekend in Beverly Hills, Straight Outta Compton producer Ice Cube acknowledged that the film is an expression of what N.W.A. lived through. “The record is real life moving at the speed of real life; this is a movie that looks back and is a piece of art,” he said.
“And if you don’t like the movie,” he joked, “you can kill yourself.”
Yella tells it a little bit different than this... and he seems the most reasonable sounding in all of this...
Like #6. He said Ice Cube left, but there was no hard feelings. Maybe Eazy and Jerry voted him out, but the rest of the guys didn't know why he left, but they figured he was off to do other things.
#2. It's funny when he was interviewed by DJ Vlad and Vlad asked why Ice Cube didn't do Boyz N Tha Hood because he wrote it, the beat was finished and Cube was a rapper. Yella said in all his years, he's never been asked that, and it looked like he never thought of it... LOL. Makes sense, Ice Cube would have sounded HARD on there. I also remember Ice Cube's take on it and said Eazy was struggling, and Dre told everyone to leave and they were recording for a day straight.
#7, NWA clowned on Ice Cube for ducking out the brawl with ATL. Cube never denies it either, he didn't want none. But it's why he had Da Lench Mob. He used them so he can have some protection from NWA and Ruthless.
#10, Yella talks about how Cube and Dre went to the hospital to see Eazy. Only Yella was at the funeral, but he just says everyone deals with death differently. Ren, Cube and Dre all had their beefs with Eazy at the end. There was even rumors of Ren, Dre and Cube doing an album called NWE, N****z Without Eazy. They all tried to make peace with Eazy at the end, Cube ran into him in NY earlier and I think he conformed he didn't go in the room because he just couldn't see Eazy like that. But Dre has been confirmed many times to have been a visitor, and Yella did say Cube and Dre were at the hospital.
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has big hutch or kmg mentioned before how they jumped ice cube etc?
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
He probably was that tough. We know he beat on women, he probably got into shit with dudes as well. He was Suge's star act and he owned half the label so he could probably get away with that.
lol so beating on women makes u tough?
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Dre and Eazy were discussing a reunion but there was still bad blood. They were nowhere near as close to making it happen as the movie suggests.
How do YOU know?
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
Interesting.
I recently saw Dre's Big Boy interview and he came off as a killer to me. There was a part that I watched over a few times where he smiles but then catches himself and stops. I don't think he knows who he is. Like when people emulate others because their self image isn't.......It's hard to explain, you might know what I mean.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
Interesting.
I recently saw Dre's Big Boy interview and he came off as a killer to me. There was a part that I watched over a few times where he smiles but then catches himself and stops. I don't think he knows who he is. Like when people emulate others because their self image isn't.......It's hard to explain, you might know what I mean.
I know what you mean. Dre comes off not as a tough guy, but as an unstable sociopath weirdo. He's uncomfortable in front of cameras because he's not being himself, he's being a character.
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yall overanalyzing the man like a mufucka....mobnigga, u know a lot of people think quik n his mannerisms are gay. at the end of the day, if u lookin that close at how another man moves and try to think what they thinkin as u watchin em, thats gay in itself.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
Interesting.
I recently saw Dre's Big Boy interview and he came off as a killer to me. There was a part that I watched over a few times where he smiles but then catches himself and stops. I don't think he knows who he is. Like when people emulate others because their self image isn't.......It's hard to explain, you might know what I mean.
I know what you mean. Dre comes off not as a tough guy, but as an unstable sociopath weirdo. He's uncomfortable in front of cameras because he's not being himself, he's being a character.
Sociopath or psychopath one of the two.
yall overanalyzing the man like a mufucka....mobnigga, u know a lot of people think quik n his mannerisms are gay. at the end of the day, if u lookin that close at how another man moves and try to think what they thinkin as u watchin em, thats gay in itself.
I do this and that is my professional opinion. I'm a doctor, not a lawyer. :)
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
He probably was that tough. We know he beat on women, he probably got into shit with dudes as well. He was Suge's star act and he owned half the label so he could probably get away with that.
lol so beating on women makes u tough?
Depends what you mean by tough. It certainly means you're violent and don't give a shit.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
He probably was that tough. We know he beat on women, he probably got into shit with dudes as well. He was Suge's star act and he owned half the label so he could probably get away with that.
lol so beating on women makes u tough?
Depends what you mean by tough. It certainly means you're violent and don't give a shit.
gettin physical wit men and women is 2 diff things......dre in the movie was portrayed as a tough guy who got physical wit any1. i dont think the fact that he beat his women has any baring on that.
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yall overanalyzing the man like a mufucka....mobnigga, u know a lot of people think quik n his mannerisms are gay. at the end of the day, if u lookin that close at how another man moves and try to think what they thinkin as u watchin em, thats gay in itself.
Nah, nigga, you trippin. Plenty of people have said these things about Dre before me. There was a thread on here not too long ago about how Dre is so awkward in front of the camera. Why would he be that way? Cause he ain't bein himself.
Also, beating up a woman suggests mental illness (or instability) to me. You gotta be a little fucked up in the head to beat up a woman knowing that so much bad shit will happen to your life as a result.
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yall overanalyzing the man like a mufucka....mobnigga, u know a lot of people think quik n his mannerisms are gay. at the end of the day, if u lookin that close at how another man moves and try to think what they thinkin as u watchin em, thats gay in itself.
Nah, nigga, you trippin. Plenty of people have said these things about Dre before me. There was a thread on here not too long ago about how Dre is so awkward in front of the camera. Why would he be that way? Cause he ain't bein himself.
Also, beating up a woman suggests mental illness (or instability) to me. You gotta be a little fucked up in the head to beat up a woman knowing that so much bad shit will happen to your life as a result.
so what u gota say bout this thread right here?
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=282800.0
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I also wondered why they did that "Nuthin' But A G Thang" like that...you know, Snoop freestyling his verse. Dre once said that the original song featured Snoop's verse that he recorded over the phone while being in jail. Could have been a cool movie scene as well.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
He probably was that tough. We know he beat on women, he probably got into shit with dudes as well. He was Suge's star act and he owned half the label so he could probably get away with that.
lol so beating on women makes u tough?
Depends what you mean by tough. It certainly means you're violent and don't give a shit.
gettin physical wit men and women is 2 diff things......dre in the movie was portrayed as a tough guy who got physical wit any1. i dont think the fact that he beat his women has any baring on that.
If you're that fucked up to hit a woman why wouldn't you hit a dude? Morally its a lot easier to do.
Anyway we know he hit dudes. It wasn't all over the news but its in his history all the same:
"In 1992, Dre was arrested for assaulting record producer Damon Thomas and later plead guilty to assault on a police officer, eventually serving house arrest and wearing a police-monitoring ankle bracelet."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/dr-dre/biography
Dre was a violent young man.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
Interesting.
I recently saw Dre's Big Boy interview and he came off as a killer to me. There was a part that I watched over a few times where he smiles but then catches himself and stops. I don't think he knows who he is. Like when people emulate others because their self image isn't.......It's hard to explain, you might know what I mean.
I know what you mean. Dre comes off not as a tough guy, but as an unstable sociopath weirdo. He's uncomfortable in front of cameras because he's not being himself, he's being a character.
You're talking a whole lot of nothing. This man chose to be in front of cameras. He could've easily stuck to being the producer and staying in the background. Instead he was wearing shiny suits and rapping with the Wreckin Cru, then doing the gangsta thing in black with N.W.A.
The camera shy, uncomfortable member of the group was Eazy. Dre's the one who talked him into rapping and portraying the character in the first place. He had to be coached to be a rapper.
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Another flaw in the otherwise excellent movie was the portrayal of Dr. Dre. To me, that dude behaved nothing like Dre. He portrayed him as like an innocent, likable, sociable, good-guy. But we all know the truth about Dre. He's an awkward, anti-social guy, probably a closet homosexual, who never seemed comfortable on stage or in front of a camera. His body language always made him seem kinda evil and sadistic to me too. I would bet that when he was on good terms with Suge, he enjoyed taking part in the beatdowns of various people.
Speaking of beatdowns, what's the real story about Suge beating up Eazy E? I never knew much about this, but I found it hard to believe that Eazy got beat up and then did nothing in retaliation because Jerry Heller convinced him to be the bigger man.
I don't know the truth of what went down, but I will say that the scene of Suge and his homies beating up Eazy made me really think Suge is a piece of a shit. What kind of dude needs a group to beat up a guy who is 2 feet shorter? The movie definitely made Suge out to be a hateful bitch.
i thought dre was portrayed pretty well, they just embellished some shit, like how tough he was, but at the end of the day, it felt like dre, especially the studio scenes.......
jerry heller confirmed the eazy incident and havin to talk him outa killin suge
He probably was that tough. We know he beat on women, he probably got into shit with dudes as well. He was Suge's star act and he owned half the label so he could probably get away with that.
lol so beating on women makes u tough?
Depends what you mean by tough. It certainly means you're violent and don't give a shit.
gettin physical wit men and women is 2 diff things......dre in the movie was portrayed as a tough guy who got physical wit any1. i dont think the fact that he beat his women has any baring on that.
If you're that fucked up to hit a woman why wouldn't you hit a dude? Morally its a lot easier to do.
Anyway we know he hit dudes. It wasn't all over the news but its in his history all the same:
"In 1992, Dre was arrested for assaulting record producer Damon Thomas and later plead guilty to assault on a police officer, eventually serving house arrest and wearing a police-monitoring ankle bracelet."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/dr-dre/biography
Dre was a violent young man.
Gangsta
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.dre in the movie was portrayed as a tough guy who got physical wit any1.
movie alluded that he had a big mouth.. and in the film, i recall he only punched one guy, one of suges goons right near the end
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It's a movie so they have to fit the story into 2 short hours, so there is going to be inconsistencies. But it was a heroic effort, and props to F. Gary Gray and Dre for doing this shit right.
Just for fun though here is some stuff I noticed....
-They made it look like Alonzo was the bad guy making Dre wear that shit and make that music, but I think that that stuff was considered fly back in that era, and that Dre was just taking it to another level when he got into gangsta rap, but I think he liked what he was doing before that.
-They made it look like Jerry followed Eazy but according to Jerry easy paid some bodygaurd friend of his thousands just for the opportunity to have a word with Jerry.
-They showed NWA punching the cops after running away and scrapping with them in Detroit. If they really fought with them like that, it would of been guaranteed prison time.
-A deleted scene also may of been Dre getting busted for drunk driving. He did spend some time in a halfway house towards the end of his run with Death Row, and there was some scene in a commercial of Kim walking out of a phone session with him while he was in prison. Too bad they had to cut good stuff out but a movie can only be so long.
-I actually thought Snoops character was Kurupts character. I thought it was the whole Dogg pound walking in, lol... they had Snoop in all black and it was before his braided days and the actor looked more like Kurupt than Snoop.
-I really thought they would do the bachelors party scene where Dre plays Snoops tape.
-I loved the Suge/Dre scenes in the last days of his time at Death Row. I thought the ending was awesome the way Suge asks Dre what he will call his label and Dre goes off into the light answering—"AFTERMATH". I also loved the scene where Dre tells all those free-loaders off and even punches one of Suges goons. That was actually an added scene, and its a damn good thing they added it.
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It's a movie so they have to fit the story into 2 short hours, so there is going to be inconsistencies. But it was a heroic effort, and props to F. Gary Gray and Dre for doing this shit right.
Just for fun though here is some stuff I noticed....
-They made it look like Alonzo was the bad guy making Dre wear that shit and make that music, but I think that that stuff was considered fly back in that era, and that Dre was just taking it to another level when he got into gangsta rap, but I think he liked what he was doing before that.
-They made it look like Jerry followed Eazy but according to Jerry easy paid some bodygaurd friend of his thousands just for the opportunity to have a word with Jerry.
-They showed NWA punching the cops after running away and scrapping with them in Detroit. If they really fought with them like that, it would of been guaranteed prison time.
-A deleted scene also may of been Dre getting busted for drunk driving. He did spend some time in a halfway house towards the end of his run with Death Row, and there was some scene in a commercial of Kim walking out of a phone session with him while he was in prison. Too bad they had to cut good stuff out but a movie can only be so long.
-I actually thought Snoops character was Kurupts character. I thought it was the whole Dogg pound walking in, lol... they had Snoop in all black and it was before his braided days and the actor looked more like Kurupt than Snoop.
-I really thought they would do the bachelors party scene where Dre plays Snoops tape.
-I loved the Suge/Dre scenes in the last days of his time at Death Row. I thought the ending was awesome the way Suge asks Dre what he will call his label and Dre goes off into the light answering—"AFTERMATH". I also loved the scene where Dre tells all those free-loaders off and even punches one of Suges goons. That was actually an added scene, and its a damn good thing they added it.
I have heard some interviews from DJ Yella, who seems really honest and down to earth about what really happened. He's admitted that some of the movie is either condensed for time, or exaggerated, but overall he seems pretty honest about what really happened.
- According to him, they actually were kind to Alonzo... LOL... but mainly because he never paid them. They made all those song, and sold all those records and they never got a dime. But he did admit that they were fine with the flashy suits because that was the style. From Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, to Prince, all the big acts back then dressed like that. And they did it for the ladies, because they had no money so they had to go flashy suits with it. LOL
- One interesting thing Yella mentioned in a few interviews, one with Vlad and one in Germany, is that at the end Heller was getting greedy. He wanted larger tours and more money, but he wanted a larger cut for himself. That's when Dre left. Now Yella never touched on this, but most everyone mentions how Eazy looked for Heller. In an interview with Alonzo, he claims he was the one that Eazy paid to meet him, since Alonzo had the connections already. Listening to Alonzo, I'm not sure how much to believe as he does seem a little dishonest... But he made his money. Even said he got paid for the Eazy E EP It's On because of the Dr. Dre picture.
- NWA punching the cop is COMPLETELY false. Yella said that they cut off the music and they just went off stage and the cops gave them an $80 fine that night. They were ran off the stage and then fined. That was it. LOL. I have no idea what happened in the movie.
- I'm sure they cut out a lot. I guess they were going to do the Dee Barnes scene, as that made sense to the story since it was part of the groups break up and why they dissed Ice Cube to begin with. But they did cut a lot out, Dee Barnes has admitted as much as to not wanting to see her on screen getting abused, so maybe her people called in and told them not to shoot that. Almost everyone admits a lot was cut off. I hope that the rumored Death Row sequel happens, I'm sure a lot more of Death Row Records and Snoop and them will get explained.
- That last scene, I have to see it. Everyone makes it out to be so great... LOL. I just know it was going to have a different name first. Then when Death Row basically crumbed then Dre changed it to Aftermath. But again, what's the movie going to do, draw it all out to get Aftermath... LOL.
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.dre in the movie was portrayed as a tough guy who got physical wit any1.
movie alluded that he had a big mouth.. and in the film, i recall he only punched one guy, one of suges goons right near the end
And at least in that scene he had a reason. He punched more guys than that in reality, for lesser reasons. He was more of an asshole than the movie made him out to be.
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I thought the movie was one, big revisionist effort. You can see clearly that it's a vanity project from Dre & Cube and that they did everything to both look like good-hearted, yet bad ass characters who never did anything wrong that was not warranted by the situations and they were both surrounded by shady characters (Bryan Turner, Jerry Heller, Suge Knight) who gave them reason to act bad. Had the movie been not produced by Dre & Cube, and shot long after everybody was dead, it would have been totally different. It was an entertaining movie and the music part of it was great, but overall it came out as pretty dishonest and although the actors delivered, it was too Manichean and simplistic. I understand the need for conciseness but some of the shortcuts taken were simply grotesque. There was too much stuff to please the fans in the movie that added to the list of inconsistencies.
Here are the inconsistencies I noticed :
- Dr. Dre walks in on 2pac recording Hail Mary when Eazy E is supposedly still alive. Eazy died in March 1995, 2pac didn't join Death Row until fall 1995 when he got out of prison, and Hail Mary was recorded long after Dre left Death Row in february 1996.
- They make it look like Eazy E's lifestyle downgraded after Dre left the label, yet Eazy E was getting paid off The Chronic (Dre Day only meant Eazy's pay day) and It's On went multi platinum, and Ruthless hit it big with Bone Thugs who went multi platinum with Creepin On Ah Come Up, so best believe Eazy E was still getting it even with Dre being gone.
- When they introduced Snoop, the hook is already ready, when Dre was known to have only one line in mind (tonight's the night I get in some shit)
- They act like Snoop walks in on Dre playing Nuthin But A G-Thang and immediately freestyles his verse and Dre follows up... it's clearly not how it was done, knowing D.O.C. wrote Dre's part and edited Snoop's verse.
- When they mention Death Row to Eazy E, supposedly the whole Death Row idea was Dre's vision of a west coast Def Jam (and it was called Def Row first) and it was supposed to be a sub label under Ruthless until Dre shopped it elsewhere thanks to Suge. In the movie, it was never question of Death Row being a sub label.
- I'm not sure, but Jerry was not fired by Eazy was he ?
- Overall, the depiction of Jerry Heller is a fucking joke, which betrays Cube's vision of Jerry. I mean Jerry is clearly the villain of the movie but a lot of people still give him props to this day for opening doors for NWA, and I'm pretty sure he was there for Eazy's final moments (I think I read it in his book but it's been years since I last read it).
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I thought the movie was one, big revisionist effort. You can see clearly that it's a vanity project from Dre & Cube and that they did everything to both look like good-hearted, yet bad ass characters who never did anything wrong that was not warranted by the situations and they were both surrounded by shady characters (Bryan Turner, Jerry Heller, Suge Knight) who gave them reason to act bad. Had the movie been not produced by Dre & Cube, and shot long after everybody was dead, it would have been totally different. It was an entertaining movie and the music part of it was great, but overall it came out as pretty dishonest and although the actors delivered, it was too Manichean and simplistic. I understand the need for conciseness but some of the shortcuts taken were simply grotesque. There was too much stuff to please the fans in the movie that added to the list of inconsistencies.
Here are the inconsistencies I noticed :
- Dr. Dre walks in on 2pac recording Hail Mary when Eazy E is supposedly still alive. Eazy died in March 1995, 2pac didn't join Death Row until fall 1995 when he got out of prison, and Hail Mary was recorded long after Dre left Death Row in february 1996.
- They make it look like Eazy E's lifestyle downgraded after Dre left the label, yet Eazy E was getting paid off The Chronic (Dre Day only meant Eazy's pay day) and It's On went multi platinum, and Ruthless hit it big with Bone Thugs who went multi platinum with Creepin On Ah Come Up, so best believe Eazy E was still getting it even with Dre being gone.
- When they introduced Snoop, the hook is already ready, when Dre was known to have only one line in mind (tonight's the night I get in some shit)
- They act like Snoop walks in on Dre playing Nuthin But A G-Thang and immediately freestyles his verse and Dre follows up... it's clearly not how it was done, knowing D.O.C. wrote Dre's part and edited Snoop's verse.
- When they mention Death Row to Eazy E, supposedly the whole Death Row idea was Dre's vision of a west coast Def Jam (and it was called Def Row first) and it was supposed to be a sub label under Ruthless until Dre shopped it elsewhere thanks to Suge. In the movie, it was never question of Death Row being a sub label.
- I'm not sure, but Jerry was not fired by Eazy was he ?
- Overall, the depiction of Jerry Heller is a fucking joke, which betrays Cube's vision of Jerry. I mean Jerry is clearly the villain of the movie but a lot of people still give him props to this day for opening doors for NWA, and I'm pretty sure he was there for Eazy's final moments (I think I read it in his book but it's been years since I last read it).
Some parts were uneven. Like 2Pac's part. I think they'd admit that as they wanted to fit him and others in.
The image of Jerry Heller is how I think all of them feel, but just Cube and Dre. Yella does not have kind words for Jerry when it comes to NWA's break up.
I'm not sure what Eazy's life was portrayed as after Dre left, but some have said he was very hurt. He might have been making more money, but he was not happy about the situation.
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- That last scene, I have to see it. Everyone makes it out to be so great... LOL. I just know it was going to have a different name first. Then when Death Row basically crumbed then Dre changed it to Aftermath. But again, what's the movie going to do, draw it all out to get Aftermath... LOL.
As for the title, the Aftermath, Dre definitely didn't have that when he left Death Row, because as the magazine article in my avatar from the Source indicates, at that time he liked the name Black Market records, but since he couldn't use it, he later had to come up with something else. Would of been kind of funny if the white boy Eminem would've came out on Black Market Records, btw.
As for the Aftermath name. That didn't come too long after Dre left Death Row, and it came not when Death Row crumbled but when Death Row was still on top of the world. Because Dre had already readied singles/videos and other promotions for the Aftermath Presents album just before Pac died. "East Coast/West Coast Killaz" had came out with the label in the video description just before Pac died. So my guess would be that the title Aftermath was designated in July of 1996, shortly after that Source cover article was released.
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With Hail Mary, couldn't 2pac have been working on it for a few years beforehand?
For me, things like Ice Cube and Eazy making up and Dre at his deathbed seemed like they were trying to say "nah actually we was all cool when he died", when really I doubt that was the case.
Fuck Wit Dre not being on there wasn't too big for me. It's a brilliant song, but it doesn't rank too high in best disss tracks. Real Muthaphukkin Gs not being on there is BULLSHIT though. Imo the second best diss track of all time after Hit Em Up. He completely destroyed Dre with that track so it not being featured was weak to me.
Film was still brilliant all the same. I don't really care about some of the small bits, overall it was still brilliant. I'm a fan of Bloodsport so I can't exactly fault inaccuracies in the movie.
Also, Straight Outta Compton Soundtrack absolutely obliterates Dr Dre's mess Compton.
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- I'm not sure, but Jerry was not fired by Eazy was he ?
according to bone thugs, he was
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For me, things like Ice Cube and Eazy making up and Dre at his deathbed seemed like they were trying to say "nah actually we was all cool when he died", when really I doubt that was the case.
Cube and Dre have both said they spoke to Eazy before he died, before the movie ever came out. Unless you are accusing them of lying.
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For me, things like Ice Cube and Eazy making up and Dre at his deathbed seemed like they were trying to say "nah actually we was all cool when he died", when really I doubt that was the case.
Cube and Dre have both said they spoke to Eazy before he died, before the movie ever came out. Unless you are accusing them of lying.
Yella, who was the last loyal one to Eazy, also confirmed that Cube and Eazy talked and Dre was at the hospital. Dre even talked about visiting E at the hospital in his album 2001 back in 1999. I do think though that many fans think that it just makes things too nice. Like sure you guys all made up. Even though reality is sometimes better than fiction.
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Some parts were uneven. Like 2Pac's part. I think they'd admit that as they wanted to fit him and others in.
The image of Jerry Heller is how I think all of them feel, but just Cube and Dre. Yella does not have kind words for Jerry when it comes to NWA's break up.
I'm not sure what Eazy's life was portrayed as after Dre left, but some have said he was very hurt. He might have been making more money, but he was not happy about the situation.
Yeah he was hurt and dismayed when Dre shook, but it didn't affect his pockets like that and he had a resurgence with It's on, and later with Bone Thugs. It's kinda dishonest to portray him like that and embellishes Dre's situation. Eazy was thriving when he died, he even had a radio show.
Also, the billboard in LA saying "5 million copies sold" is inaccurate, cause in 1993 The Chronic had not sold 5 mil, it was certified triple platinum by the end of 1993 but that's it. but that's a small detail though.
With Hail Mary, couldn't 2pac have been working on it for a few years beforehand?
even if that was the case, 2pac was in jail and not signed to Death Row when Eazy passed, the 2pac scene is anachronic, cliché and grotesque and it lasted 30 seconds. it's just a scene to please the casual viewer by seeing 2pac and Dre in the same room while Dre plays him the beat of California love (kinda like the G Thang scene actually). I understand the need to condensate things a bit and to mix things up for the sake of the storyline but some scenes in the film are corny, cliché and sometimes ridiculous.
I know that History is a lied agreed upon by the victors (and in that case the producers, obviously) but damn that's a bit too much how they're portrayed as the alpha males all the time when things didn't go too well all the time for either of them and the others as either greedy, ruthless (no pun intended), dishonest punks.
also, what's with the Bryan Turner story ? What's the foundation behind it ? I had never heard of that, did Cube really show up with the Lench Mob and break everything in Turner's office ?
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Some parts were uneven. Like 2Pac's part. I think they'd admit that as they wanted to fit him and others in.
The image of Jerry Heller is how I think all of them feel, but just Cube and Dre. Yella does not have kind words for Jerry when it comes to NWA's break up.
I'm not sure what Eazy's life was portrayed as after Dre left, but some have said he was very hurt. He might have been making more money, but he was not happy about the situation.
Yeah he was hurt and dismayed when Dre shook, but it didn't affect his pockets like that and he had a resurgence with It's on, and later with Bone Thugs. It's kinda dishonest to portray him like that and embellishes Dre's situation. Eazy was thriving when he died, he even had a radio show.
Also, the billboard in LA saying "5 million copies sold" is inaccurate, cause in 1993 The Chronic had not sold 5 mil, it was certified triple platinum by the end of 1993 but that's it. but that's a small detail though.
With Hail Mary, couldn't 2pac have been working on it for a few years beforehand?
even if that was the case, 2pac was in jail and not signed to Death Row when Eazy passed, the 2pac scene is anachronic, cliché and grotesque and it lasted 30 seconds. it's just a scene to please the casual viewer by seeing 2pac and Dre in the same room while Dre plays him the beat of California love (kinda like the G Thang scene actually). I understand the need to condensate things a bit and to mix things up for the sake of the storyline but some scenes in the film are corny, cliché and sometimes ridiculous.
I know that History is a lied agreed upon by the victors (and in that case the producers, obviously) but damn that's a bit too much how they're portrayed as the alpha males all the time when things didn't go too well all the time for either of them and the others as either greedy, ruthless (no pun intended), dishonest punks.
also, what's with the Bryan Turner story ? What's the foundation behind it ? I had never heard of that, did Cube really show up with the Lench Mob and break everything in Turner's office ?
lol how did u think they were guna be portrayed? especially wit them producing it.
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I'm not surprised them being portrayed like that, I'm just disappointed cause it affects the general quality of the film and the story line, without even talking about the credibility of the thing. that's what's wrong with biopics when the people are producers, or associated with the movie, or simply still alive. it becomes a vanity project more than anything else. but they could have kept this a vanity movie but a bit more credible and less manichean showing them in less favorable lights sometimes. If you look carefully, Dre & Cube make the right decisions all the time in the movies and only look bad because of other people's actions. it's even more blatant for Cube.
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I'm not surprised them being portrayed like that, I'm just disappointed cause it affects the general quality of the film and the story line, without even talking about the credibility of the thing. that's what's wrong with biopics when the people are producers, or associated with the movie, or simply still alive. it becomes a vanity project more than anything else. but they could have kept this a vanity movie but a bit more credible and less manichean showing them in less favorable lights sometimes. If you look carefully, Dre & Cube make the right decisions all the time in the movies and only look bad because of other people's actions. it's even more blatant for Cube.
i agree that they went out of their way to make themselves look as good as possible......but at the end of the day, the general story is on-point. i expected a lot more schlock, like the notorious movie. this one at least had great production and good cinematography.