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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on August 04, 2024, 11:07:12 PM
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I’m still mad they didn’t let him use that Pac verse he needed it. The album was a near classic I was listening to “Money Houses and Cars” and “Last Time” on repeat yesterday and a lot of the songs on the album still play well in 2024.
That Pac feature, cutting a bit of filler, add a few of those unreleased LBC Crew joints and you got a classic gold selling debut album
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his debut is a classic to me
what was their reasoning behind not letting him use it??
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found a post on Reddit which goes into the situation a little bit from Bad Azz and GO Twice
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tupac/comments/13m7xe2/underrated_song_by_2pac/
The Dubcnn interview with Bad Azz
https://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/badazz/
I’m still mad they didn’t let him use that Pac verse he needed it. The album was a near classic I was listening to “Money Houses and Cars” and “Last Time” on repeat yesterday and a lot of the songs on the album still play well in 2024.
That Pac feature, cutting a bit of filler, add a few of those unreleased LBC Crew joints and you got a classic gold selling debut album
Infinite, I agree his debut was dope as hell 8)
I remember it came out a week before Kuruption! did...Kurupts album was supposed to come out a month before but it got delayed
anyway it turned out that Kurupt didn't take Dres advice about not doing a double album and Kuruption! had a bunch of filler on the East Coast disc and Word On Tha Streetz was the much more cohesive debut
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dubcnn.com : There has been some controversy about your track with 2Pac called Ghetto Star. Who recorded the original version with 2Pac, you or Nuttso?
Bad Azz: Nuttso had the song, Priority had got the song for me, I didn't know Nuttso did the song, so that's why I did it. I would have never done it, like Priority brought it to me Marvin had got the verses, he gave it to me the two 2pac verses wit a new beat that they had said that they got these 2 verses, so they kinda lied to me. And I rapped on it, Nuttso ended up gettin payed, I never put it out because of that reason, Priority white labeled it, and it blew up.
dubcnn.com : So you didn't record it with Pac in the studio.
Bad Azz: No no I didn't do that. I got that verse, Pac was dead when I first heard that. They had got it, and like I said they confronted me like "Yo we got this pac verse" And I had never heard it so I thought they were tellin the truth, I was like "No one ever put this out? This was just a verse pac had layin around?" and they was like "Yeah, he did this song with Ant Banks, no one else was on it but they lied, they took Nuttso off thinkin that Nuttso would never surface. They thought Nuttso is some nobody ass rapper, but at the same time he was like a small time rapper but that was Pac's homie! Pac did that song wit him!
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BetterDayz.Net: What is the story behind the song
"Ghetto Star"? Was it originally recorded with
Nuttso or Bad Azz?
G O Twice: The Bad Azz version is a fake. The way
Bad Azz got a hold of the song was when Pac was
shot and Suge went to Jail certain individuals had
taken masters from Can Ams cellar, Nuttso was
given a master of Ghetto Star from MC Hammer, at
that time Kevin Dixon aka Captain Save A Hoe was
working on a album and asked Nuttso if he could
use Ghetto Star for that album, Nuttso replied that
he would lend the song to Kevin but with a different
track under it, Kevin agreed, later G-Man Stan from
Find-a-way studios in Hayward, Ca. did the remix
and also dubbed the master tape and gave it to
Kevin, in turn Kevin was dealing with Ant Banks and
that camp at the time and Bad Azz, don't get me
wrong, Bad Azz's record company asked Nuttso if
they could license the song and use it for Bad Azz's
album(without Nuttso), they offered Nuttso 15,000
and he said "NO". The song was used anyway,
because nobody had the rights to the song but Suge
and he was in jail. The song was originally recorded
with Nuttso and Pac in March '96, and was called
"Burying One of Our Own", until Pac later renamed it
"Ghetto Star" after writing his lyrics. He liked the
beat and said he definitely wanted to do more work with me.
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Infinite, I agree his debut was dope as hell 8)
I remember it came out a week before Kuruption! did...Kurupts album was supposed to come out a month before but it got delayed
anyway it turned out that Kurupt didn't take Dres advice about not doing a double album and Kuruption! had a bunch of filler on the East Coast disc and Word On Tha Streetz was the much more cohesive debut
Yeah, it was a fascinating era in West Coast rap and kind of like a forgotten era—because it was the lost era sandwiched in between the Death Row pinnacle of rap 1992-1996, and then the resurgence era of 1999-2003.
So there is this forgotten period of 97-98 when wack shit like No Limit and Ja Rule took over. But all the talent was still there. Because most of our favorite artists were still in their 20's and in the midst of their prime.
So that week that you are talking about when Bad Azz and Kurupt both dropped right about the same time is still fascinating to me to this day. I don't think either of the albums even went gold, but I was banging that shit day and night -- breathing it in like oxygen. And part of you was thinking like, "WHAT THE FUCC this Kurupt doesn't sound like Dogg Food or this isn't the level of Bad Azz on "Beware of My Crew" but what other choice did we have? It was still a million times better than No Limit and Ja Rule or even DMX, Puffy and all Pac's enemies that everyone else was following like sheep.
So it was bittersweet because we knew it was under expectation and the shit wasn't going platinum as expected—but at the same time we were still banging the fucc out of those albums.
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So there is this forgotten period of 97-99 when wack shit like No Limit and Ja Rule took over. But all the talent was still there. Because most of our favorite artists were still in their 20's and in the midst of their prime.
what period?!?!?!
From wikipedia:
97:
March 4 Soul Assassins The Soul Assassins, Chapter I Debuted at No. 20 on the Billboard 200
March 25 Warren G Take a Look Over Your Shoulder Debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold ( YOU MADE A THREAD BOUT IT WHILE AGO...)
August 26 Coolio My Soul Debuted at No. 39 on the Billboard 200 Certified Platinum
September 16 Mack 10 Based on a True Story Debuted at No. 14 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold
September 30 RBL Posse An Eye for an Eye Debuted at No. 70 at the Billboard 200
November 11 Luniz Lunitik Muzik Certified Gold
November 25 2Pac R U Still Down? (Remember Me) Debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 Certified 4 x Platinum
98:
solo from kurupt, daz, mack 10, wc.
Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told was certified 2× Platinum on October 22, 1998
The Element of Surprise debuted and peaked at number 13 on the Billboard 200, with first week sales nearing 78,000 units.
40 Dayz & 40 Nightz debuted at number 58 on the Billboard 200 and number 14 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States, and at number 32 on the UK Hip Hop and R&B Albums Chart.
Cypress Hill IV, gold album
War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc) debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 180,000 copies in the first week. This became Ice Cube's fourth US top-ten album. On January 25, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over a million copies in the United States.
2 Pac Greatest Hits debuted at number five on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 268,000 copies in its first week. In January 1999, the album reached its peak at number three on the chart. It has spent 433 weeks on the Billboard 200.[2] On October 16, 2000, it was certified 9× platinum.
99:
No Limit Top Dogg debuted at number 2 on the Billboard 200, selling 187,000 copies in its first week in the United States, only being second to Ricky Martin's self-titled album.
Mc Eiht Section 8 peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200 and at number 5 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States.
2001: debuted at number 2 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 516,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles that attained chart success and has been certified 6× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America
Los Grandes Éxitos en Español (The Greatest Hits in Spanish) is the title of a 1999 release by Cypress Hill. It was certified Platinum by the RIAA.
Still I Rise debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 408,000 in the first week.[7] The album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).
These are the albums with sales. NOT ALL RELEASED!
my personal favs missin (alkaholiks, jurassic 5, saafir, funkdoobiest, above the law etc...)
what the actual phuck u talkin forgotten period?
its 2024 and the world, not just dubcnn, but the world still listen these and talkin bout these albums.
once again u mixed your opinion with facts...
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what period?!?!?!
From wikipedia:
97:
March 4 Soul Assassins The Soul Assassins, Chapter I Debuted at No. 20 on the Billboard 200
March 25 Warren G Take a Look Over Your Shoulder Debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold ( YOU MADE A THREAD BOUT IT WHILE AGO...)
August 26 Coolio My Soul Debuted at No. 39 on the Billboard 200 Certified Platinum
September 16 Mack 10 Based on a True Story Debuted at No. 14 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold
September 30 RBL Posse An Eye for an Eye Debuted at No. 70 at the Billboard 200
November 11 Luniz Lunitik Muzik Certified Gold
November 25 2Pac R U Still Down? (Remember Me) Debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 Certified 4 x Platinum
98:
solo from kurupt, daz, mack 10, wc.
Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told was certified 2× Platinum on October 22, 1998
The Element of Surprise debuted and peaked at number 13 on the Billboard 200, with first week sales nearing 78,000 units.
40 Dayz & 40 Nightz debuted at number 58 on the Billboard 200 and number 14 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States, and at number 32 on the UK Hip Hop and R&B Albums Chart.
Cypress Hill IV, gold album
War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc) debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 180,000 copies in the first week. This became Ice Cube's fourth US top-ten album. On January 25, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over a million copies in the United States.
2 Pac Greatest Hits debuted at number five on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 268,000 copies in its first week. In January 1999, the album reached its peak at number three on the chart. It has spent 433 weeks on the Billboard 200.[2] On October 16, 2000, it was certified 9× platinum.
99:
No Limit Top Dogg debuted at number 2 on the Billboard 200, selling 187,000 copies in its first week in the United States, only being second to Ricky Martin's self-titled album.
Mc Eiht Section 8 peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200 and at number 5 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States.
2001: debuted at number 2 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 516,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles that attained chart success and has been certified 6× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America
Los Grandes Éxitos en Español (The Greatest Hits in Spanish) is the title of a 1999 release by Cypress Hill. It was certified Platinum by the RIAA.
Still I Rise debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 408,000 in the first week.[7] The album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).
These are the albums with sales. NOT ALL RELEASED!
my personal favs missin (alkaholiks, jurassic 5, saafir, funkdoobiest, above the law etc...)
what the actual phuck u talkin forgotten period?
its 2024 and the world, not just dubcnn, but the world still listen these and talkin bout these albums.
once again u mixed your opinion with facts...
infinite is saying that the years 97 and 98 were a down period for the west coast in comparison to 92-96… and it’s true.
in retrospect, there was still tons of great shit comin out and the west was still killin it in comparison to what we’ve been getting over the past 20 years
but 1999 was the return of the west with dr. dre and snoop teaming back up
2004 is when the west started losing steam again .. and we haven’t really had that type of take over again, altho rbx album, dogg pound comeback, followed by kendrick lamar pop-out might have a lil something to say bout that ;D
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what period?!?!?!
From wikipedia:
97:
March 4 Soul Assassins The Soul Assassins, Chapter I Debuted at No. 20 on the Billboard 200
March 25 Warren G Take a Look Over Your Shoulder Debuted at No. 11 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold ( YOU MADE A THREAD BOUT IT WHILE AGO...)
August 26 Coolio My Soul Debuted at No. 39 on the Billboard 200 Certified Platinum
September 16 Mack 10 Based on a True Story Debuted at No. 14 on the Billboard 200 Certified Gold
September 30 RBL Posse An Eye for an Eye Debuted at No. 70 at the Billboard 200
November 11 Luniz Lunitik Muzik Certified Gold
November 25 2Pac R U Still Down? (Remember Me) Debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 Certified 4 x Platinum
98:
solo from kurupt, daz, mack 10, wc.
Da Game Is to Be Sold, Not to Be Told was certified 2× Platinum on October 22, 1998
The Element of Surprise debuted and peaked at number 13 on the Billboard 200, with first week sales nearing 78,000 units.
40 Dayz & 40 Nightz debuted at number 58 on the Billboard 200 and number 14 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States, and at number 32 on the UK Hip Hop and R&B Albums Chart.
Cypress Hill IV, gold album
War & Peace Vol. 1 (The War Disc) debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 180,000 copies in the first week. This became Ice Cube's fourth US top-ten album. On January 25, 1999, the album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for sales of over a million copies in the United States.
2 Pac Greatest Hits debuted at number five on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 268,000 copies in its first week. In January 1999, the album reached its peak at number three on the chart. It has spent 433 weeks on the Billboard 200.[2] On October 16, 2000, it was certified 9× platinum.
99:
No Limit Top Dogg debuted at number 2 on the Billboard 200, selling 187,000 copies in its first week in the United States, only being second to Ricky Martin's self-titled album.
Mc Eiht Section 8 peaked at number 54 on the Billboard 200 and at number 5 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart in the United States.
2001: debuted at number 2 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 516,000 copies in its first week. It produced three singles that attained chart success and has been certified 6× Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America
Los Grandes Éxitos en Español (The Greatest Hits in Spanish) is the title of a 1999 release by Cypress Hill. It was certified Platinum by the RIAA.
Still I Rise debuted at number seven on the US Billboard 200 chart, selling 408,000 in the first week.[7] The album was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).
These are the albums with sales. NOT ALL RELEASED!
my personal favs missin (alkaholiks, jurassic 5, saafir, funkdoobiest, above the law etc...)
what the actual phuck u talkin forgotten period?
its 2024 and the world, not just dubcnn, but the world still listen these and talkin bout these albums.
once again u mixed your opinion with facts...
LOL, you totally misunderstood my point but I know HighEyeCue knows exactly what I mean. Maybe its because you are a Euro that you missed my point. But people my age in America who were old enough to be follow the Chronic era know exactly what I am talking about.
You mentioned Take A Look Over Your Shoulder so lets use that album as the example. It is a forgotten album from the forgotten era I am talking about from 97-98. It undersold and underwhelmed the public. It only sold gold and got very little radio play. G Funk Era that came out in the Golden era from 93-96 blew up and sold 4 Million and was a cultural phenomenon that changed the game.
So you posting Take a Look Over Your Shoulder only furthered my point.
...I wasn't saying I didn't like the album. I love the album. I just recently made an appreciation thread celebrating the album Take a Look Over Your Shoulder. I loved it then when it dropped and I loved it now. I was fuccing pissed when it failed to get much attention or airplay and didn't go platinum. I'm still pissed about that—because all the attention at the time was on Puffy, No Limit, Ja Rule, and wack shit like that.
Did you think I was saying that the album was wack or forgettable for me?
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infinite is saying that the years 97 and 98 were a down period for the west coast in comparison to 92-96… and it’s true.
in retrospect, there was still tons of great shit comin out and the west was still killin it in comparison to what we’ve been getting over the past 20 years
but 1999 was the return of the west with dr. dre and snoop teaming back up
2004 is when the west started losing steam again .. and we haven’t really had that type of take over again, altho rbx album, dogg pound comeback, followed by kendrick lamar pop-out might have a lil something to say bout that ;D
Exactly.
...Doggfather is a EURO and didn't understand
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it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...
once again.
coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.
stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.
C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film Nothing to Lose
so do Dr. Greenthumb.
these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.
say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!
2004 is when the west started losing steam again ..
what bout the game?
from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.
on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.
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want to hear some EURO thing?
check prince igor from warren g.
nah, that is EURO thing.
(and we shame us for that...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Igor_(song)
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it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...
once again.
coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.
stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.
C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film Nothing to Lose
so do Dr. Greenthumb.
these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.
say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!
what bout the game?
from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.
on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.
Lol u still don’t get it. But it’s okay because you are a EURO and you weren’t here so you don’t know the feeling amongst WC fans, rap fans, and then music buying fans in general at the rhyme (time).
Since you mentioned Take a Look Over Your Shoulder let’s continue with that example….
People like us at the forum always got Warren as like one of our top guys. But there are trend followers in rap music. From 93-96 all those trend followers were like “oh yeah Warren G he’s the best G Funk Era”. So the music I was into everyone was following that trend. So Id tell everyone at school about G Funk Era and then a few months later everyone was into it. People were talking about that shit on the school bus that’s how big it was.
But from 97-98 the trend was to follow No Limit and Puffy and shit like that. So I’d tell people on the bus about Take a Look Over Your Shoulder and nobody gave a fucc.
You don’t understand that because in Euro land maybe Warren was still the MAN over there in Euro but here in America him and his homies weren’t on top anymore. Yeah, sure people liked them but they weren’t setting the trend. Everyone was following the No Limit trend in 97-98 more than any of the West Coast shit we love at the forum.
How do you not understand that?
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Yeah, it was a fascinating era in West Coast rap and kind of like a forgotten era—because it was the lost era sandwiched in between the Death Row pinnacle of rap 1992-1996, and then the resurgence era of 1999-2003.
So there is this forgotten period of 97-98 when wack shit like No Limit and Ja Rule took over. But all the talent was still there. Because most of our favorite artists were still in their 20's and in the midst of their prime.
So that week that you are talking about when Bad Azz and Kurupt both dropped right about the same time is still fascinating to me to this day. I don't think either of the albums even went gold, but I was banging that shit day and night -- breathing it in like oxygen. And part of you was thinking like, "WHAT THE FUCC this Kurupt doesn't sound like Dogg Food or this isn't the level of Bad Azz on "Beware of My Crew" but what other choice did we have? It was still a million times better than No Limit and Ja Rule or even DMX, Puffy and all Pac's enemies that everyone else was following like sheep.
So it was bittersweet because we knew it was under expectation and the shit wasn't going platinum as expected—but at the same time we were still banging the fucc out of those albums.
yeah its funny Kuruption! over the years has become my favorite Kurupt album
when it came out like you said I was disappointed but still banged the hell out of it because what was the alternative? I was a westcoast head from NYC and that No Limit/Cash Money music just wasn't my cup of tea...I never really got into DMX or Jay basically I thought they benefited from the deaths of Pac and Biggie and would have never had made it big if they didn't pass on
Nas was the only NY rapper that I always liked but other than that I always rode with the west
it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...
once again.
coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.
stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.
C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film Nothing to Lose
so do Dr. Greenthumb.
these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.
say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!
what bout the game?
from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.
on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.
you are right about Cypress Hill but you are talking more 1993 than 97/98
by that period they were mostly an afterthought at least here in the US
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it is NOT EURO thing, it is your death row/ dr dre glasses...
once again.
coolio, cypress doin massive hits, numbers worldwide.
stop doin, thinkin that west=dre.
C U When U Get There got repetaible radio and tv play after the film Nothing to Lose
so do Dr. Greenthumb.
these are just 2 example from that 2 years and aint forgotten. from my head without lookin.
say that u aint like em, feel em or think they are west to U.
but thats different!
what bout the game?
from 2005 till kendrick he was THE west.
on tv, radio, got a tons of mixtapes, bootlegs worldwide not just in the west.
game was a step down from that dre-xzibit-snoop-eastsidaz up in smoke
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yeah its funny Kuruption! over the years has become my favorite Kurupt album
when it came out like you said I was disappointed but still banged the hell out of it because what was the alternative? I was a westcoast head from NYC and that No Limit/Cash Money music just wasn't my cup of tea...I never really got into DMX or Jay basically I thought they benefited from the deaths of Pac and Biggie and would have never had made it big if they didn't pass on
Nas was the only NY rapper that I always liked but other than that I always rode with the west
you are right about Cypress Hill but you are talking more 1993 than 97/98
by that period they were mostly an afterthought at least here in the US
he even brought up coolio .. who’s biggest hit came in 95
the stuff he was droppin in 97 - 98 was nowhere close
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with all my respect and forum love (no homo and homo too), but guys, get tha phuck out!
I came with soundscan, billboard, sales, tv, papers.
you guys, how do you feel.
nah, i am sorry.
how do you remember in 2024 how did you felt back in 97...
mmmokay.
i am out...
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with all my respect and forum love (no homo and homo too), but guys, get tha phuck out!
I came with soundscan, billboard, sales, tv, papers.
you guys, how do you feel.
nah, i am sorry.
how do you remember in 2024 how did you felt back in 97...
mmmokay.
i am out...
so did west coast rap sell more albums in 97 and 98 than in 95 and 96????
even from that perspective.. the answer is still no homie
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neva said that.
i just said that 3 year period aint forgotten period.
that period got highlights, sounds, classics too.
not just no limit/ja rule copys like Infinite said.
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neva said that.
i just said that 3 year period aint forgotten period.
that period got highlights, sounds, classics too.
not just no limit/ja rule copys like Infinite said.
he was saying ja rule & no limit was more popular at that time
where as in 92-96 the west was more popular
then west regained the top spot in 99
it’s all documented on this forum bro
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neva said that.
i just said that 3 year period aint forgotten period.
that period got highlights, sounds, classics too.
not just no limit/ja rule copys like Infinite said.
its one thing to come up with stats and its another thing to actually live it
I am not sure your age but I was born in 1981 so I vividly remember what happend in 97-98
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If I fast for over 24 hours without eating then underlying layers of trauma start to reveal themselves. (Also Africa this summer and listening Malidoma Some, some sort African sorcery, has awakened me but that’s off topic). And I can say now for certain I have a lot of trauma associated with that week that Kuruption and Word On The Streetz dropped.
It's the last time I ever talked to my parents was Fall 1998 week of Kuruption/ Word on the Streetz.
...I'd been avoiding them for a few years. They kept asking me what was going on and what was wrong but I'd always known it was best to avoid them. That week I decided what the hell and told them all about my life and thinking and what I was going through just being honest with them and talking to them in a straight forward kind of way. They couldn't handle it and there was a lot of yelling and screaming and trauma and I never talked to them and avoided them ever since. Been on my own ever since. That's the moment I went solo. Even my older brother moved out to college at that time, and friends and my girlfriend abandoned me as well Fall 98'. There was a girl I was off and on with for two years she finally gave up on me in this period. To comfort and cope in the midst of all this I was just bumping Word on the Streetz on repeat when it was released.
Sorry, had to share that, replaying this album is bringing up a lot of shit for me from Fall 98'. I hope it's a sign I'm healing from some underlying trauma because if that's the case then this Bad Azz album is a huge breakthrough for me.
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its one thing to come up with stats and its another thing to actually live it
I am not sure your age but I was born in 1981 so I vividly remember what happend in 97-98
i was born in 82.
but that aint matters, cause i am EURO. We aint got papers, radios, we dont know nutin...
We dont know source, mtv etc...
we live under a big phuckin rock.
Remember is a funny thing.
in 2025 we gonna remember missionary is a huge thing, cause last year we spoke bout it more than 60 pages online...
meanwhile a fellow CPT kid destroy a canadian hip hopper career in LA, in the US and worldwide...
But that aint exist. We aint spoke bout it. Only 1-2 pages...
Now add + 20 years to that...
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i was born in 82.
I'm also 82'. So it's because you are a EURO that you don't understand.
So you are denying that there was a golden age for the West Coast/Death Row Affiliates from 92-96, and then a lull (a slight dip) from 97-98 and then a resurgence from 99-2003 with Aftermath Affilates/DoggHouse/Doggystyle Records.
You are denying all that?
Are you denying that Snoop was on top of the game from 93-95 and then Pac was on top in 96... but then from 97-98 non-West Coast cats like Puffy, Master P, DMX were on top. Then Dre went back in 99' when he released his second album.
Did all that not happen? Am I just imaginging that or making shit up?
Why does Dre have a hit song called "Forgot About Dre" when he re-emerged to the spotlight? What was the reason him and Em came up with such lyrics?
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I'm also 82'. So it's because you are a EURO that you don't understand.
So you are denying that there was a golden age for the West Coast/Death Row Affiliates from 92-96, and then a lull (a slight dip) from 97-98 and then a resurgence from 99-2003 with Aftermath Affilates/DoggHouse/Doggystyle Records.
You are denying all that?
Are you denying that Snoop was on top of the game from 93-95 and then Pac was on top in 96... but then from 97-98 non-West Coast cats like Puffy, Master P, DMX were on top. Then Dre went back in 99' when he released his second album.
Did all that not happen? Am I just imaginging that or making shit up?
Why does Dre have a hit song called "Forgot About Dre" when he re-emerged to the spotlight? What was the reason him and Em came up with such lyrics?
no.
i dont.
i just said aint THE WEST "lull". Just your favourites. Not the west went to no limit, just snoop. not the west went "retire" just dre.
THE WEST (what is NOT EXIST, not in that way you talin bout) was fine, thank you for askin.
stop doin it like ther are no other cats just deathrow, aftermath camp.
They are the strongest? yes.
they are the most represented/well known in papers, tvs and especially on this forum? yes.
But if they makin shit not the WEST made shit.
i try to gave you examples of other artists, albums, sounds. cause u dont know shit like john snow. as we know, as you tell us again and again.
that attitude of you, stuck in 1 short period and lookin EVERYTHING from that period is not right.
I dont want to change you, just want to show you another perspective.
back to the startin of this topic!
even bad azz aint went no limit way!
and he released an album before snoop.
an album which you think is classic or nearly classic.
in the "lull".
how is that?
cant you imagine he aint the one who did that?
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Doggfather, I didn't mean to offend you, my parents are from Europe (Greece) and I've been there plenty
what I'm saying is commercially the West was in a lull those years 97-98
Warren G first album 1994 sold 3 or 4 million copies
next album in '97 went gold
Daz and Kurupt coming off a 2xplat album could not even go gold with their solos
Cypress Hill who you brought up only went gold in '98 after multi platinum and platinum albums the 2 previous
now you wanna argue artistically the West was still making dope music yeah I agree but it wasnt being heard for the most part during that time period
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no.
i dont.
i just said aint THE WEST "lull". Just your favourites. Not the west went to no limit, just snoop. not the west went "retire" just dre.
THE WEST (what is NOT EXIST, not in that way you talin bout) was fine, thank you for askin.
stop doin it like ther are no other cats just deathrow, aftermath camp.
They are the strongest? yes.
they are the most represented/well known in papers, tvs and especially on this forum? yes.
But if they makin shit not the WEST made shit.
i try to gave you examples of other artists, albums, sounds. cause u dont know shit like john snow. as we know, as you tell us again and again.
that attitude of you, stuck in 1 short period and lookin EVERYTHING from that period is not right.
I dont want to change you, just want to show you another perspective.
back to the startin of this topic!
even bad azz aint went no limit way!
and he released an album before snoop.
an album which you think is classic or nearly classic.
in the "lull".
how is that?
cant you imagine he aint the one who did that?
You keep thinking I'm saying I didn't like the shit that came out in 97' and 98' and that's not what I'm saying. I actually said I'm fascinated with the period and I am always listening to West Coast shit from 97' and 98' I was a loyal fan. What's funny is I'm actually saying the opposite of what you think. I'm saying I stayed loyal and stayed down during 97' and 98' while the rest of rap fans in AMERICA (not EUROPE) were all following the trend at the time which was No Limit, Puffy, Ja Rule, DMX, etc.
So at this point I'm really questioning your IQ. I'd rather think that it's because you are a EURO that you don't get it but maybe it is the result of a low IQ
Question: Why does Doggfather still not understand? Please select from the following:
a) Europe still had the west on top 97' and 98'
b) He has a low IQ
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:lulz:
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2pac - Changes came out in 1998!
Fuck Ja Rule and he’s rnb songs that ain’t hip hop!
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2pac - Changes came out in 1998!
Fuck Ja Rule and he’s rnb songs that ain’t hip hop!
oh dear god ::)....
There was just one small difference. In 93-96 2pac was alive. In 1998 2pac was dead.
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I think the message must have been lost in translation because I was born in 82 & from Australia & get what Infinite is saying.
For me, I had such a high expectation for Take a Look Over Your Shoulder & remember being disappointed because how good Warren's first album was, over the years it has become a personal classic to me. From 97 to 99 the other regions were taking over from the west & there was a lot albums from the west that were overlooked.
Over the years I have found gems that I originally over looked from this time period & came to appreciate them instead of comparing an artist second album to their classic debut.
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I think the message must have been lost in translation because I was born in 82 & from Australia & get what Infinite is saying.
For me, I had such a high expectation for Take a Look Over Your Shoulder & remember being disappointed because how good Warren's first album was, over the years it has become a personal classic to me. From 97 to 99 the other regions were taking over from the west & there was a lot albums from the west that were overlooked.
Over the years I have found gems that I originally over looked from this time period & came to appreciate them instead of comparing an artist second album to their classic debut.
yeah that's exactly what Infinite was getting at
I guess different parts of the world have different recollections on that time period
looks like you from Australia had similar thoughts on it like us in the US
damn I see everybody was born in '82 I might be the oldest dude on here being born in '81 ;D
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oh dear god ::)....
There was just one small difference. In 93-96 2pac was alive. In 1998 2pac was dead.
Still the only rap song from 1998 you still hear on the radio today.
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I think the message must have been lost in translation because I was born in 82 & from Australia & get what Infinite is saying.
For me, I had such a high expectation for Take a Look Over Your Shoulder & remember being disappointed because how good Warren's first album was, over the years it has become a personal classic to me. From 97 to 99 the other regions were taking over from the west & there was a lot albums from the west that were overlooked.
Over the years I have found gems that I originally over looked from this time period & came to appreciate them instead of comparing an artist second album to their classic debut.
Yeah man you got it exactly. It was obvious what I was saying, and that's dope you were born around the same rhyme (time) as myself and HighEyeCue so you experienced it all first hand I don't have to explain anything to you.
now for my RANT...
And yeah, the EURO dude that was complaining first—I was just trying to make excuses for that cat by saying "well maybe it's because you are from Europe so it was different there" but of course I knew he was just being a fuccin idiot, but I wanted to be nice, but he just became more of a dickhead like as if EURO is a perjorative like nicca or cracka or kik or some shit like that. EURO is not a pejorative or bad word. His name on here is DOGGFATHER so if I call him DOGGFATHER in this thread—then people would get even more confused cause they'd think I was talking about the album, lol. So I guess I got to type out, "that poster who is from Europe who goes by the nickname Doggfather but I don't mean the Doggfather album" I guess I got to post that whole thing out each time. He just wanted to try to disparage me like I don't know shit about music and only focus on Death Row artists or some shit like that, which is fine, but that's a totally separate discussion.