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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: israelihiphop on December 22, 2004, 04:41:46 PM
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http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000741125
since death-18 million
Total- 24.4 million
this means that he sold most of his albums after his death...All Eyez on Me was only at 6 million when he died(was in Death Row's greatest hits CD), now it's like over 10 million...pretty amazing...Pac is definitely the GOAT...
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All Eyez On Me has sold between 4.5 and 5 million copies.
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are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?
"wow" - mase
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This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.
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are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?
"wow" - mase
I don't know who is saying that but Get Rich Or Die Tryin' did sell more copies than All Eyez On Me (6 million to 4.5 million).
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with All Eyez On Me you gotta also factor in the fact that -some- sales figure systems count its sales as double... so it looks like a shit load of people bought it.. when really they didn't.
also... just want to add.. biggies double cd "life after death" also released around his death a year later was the first rap CD to go diamond!.. thats 10x plat
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are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?
"wow" - mase
I don't know who is saying that but Get Rich Or Die Tryin' did sell more copies than All Eyez On Me (6 million to 4.5 million).
It doesnt matter, All Eyez On Me IS still the listed as the higher selling album on ANY professional list of the best selling albums of all time.
The fact AEOM is a Diamond/near Diamond award album and Get Rich or Die Trying is NOT automatically makes AEOM the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.
Sorry, but album sales are measured by the multi-platinum level, not by actual units sold. Thats the way it works, and the way it always will be.
AEOM >>> GRODT, in both quality AND sales. End of story.
Also, keep in mind that when 50's album came out, it was like $9.99 almost everywhere.....AEOM is a $25 double cd. And the fact it is still on the catalog charts more than 8 years after its release and 50's album is NOT also speaks volumes about which album has stood the test of time better.
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This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.
No, what does make him the GOAT is that people are still feelin him more than 8 years after his death, and the fact that almost every living MC names him as the goat or as a major influence at the very least. Today's rappers dont have that kind of impact or lasting ability. People will still be bangin Pac's songs 20 years from now.....for some reason, I cant picture that happening with cats like 50, Em, Chingy, Nelly, etc etc....I think they will all be long gone in a couple years time, and there will be a new "in/popular" rapper. Pac, on the otherhand, has already been cemented as an icon and the biggest legend in hip hop history. He much pretty much had that title even before his death, basically when AEOM came out.
Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now. Also, he was the first artist EVER to have two #1 albums in the same year 1996), a feat that is often mistakenly and wrongly given to DMX.
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are yall sayin that "All Eyez On Me" sold 6 mill, but "Get Rich or Die Tryin" sold 8 mill?
"wow" - mase
I don't know who is saying that but Get Rich Or Die Tryin' did sell more copies than All Eyez On Me (6 million to 4.5 million).
It doesnt matter, All Eyez On Me IS still the listed as the higher selling album on ANY professional list of the best selling albums of all time.
The fact AEOM is a Diamond/near Diamond award album and Get Rich or Die Trying is NOT automatically makes AEOM the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.
Sorry, but album sales are measured by the multi-platinum level, not by actual units sold. Thats the way it works, and the way it always will be.
AEOM >>> GRODT, in both quality AND sales. End of story.
Also, keep in mind that when 50's album came out, it was like $9.99 almost everywhere.....AEOM is a $25 double cd. And the fact it is still on the catalog charts more than 8 years after its release and 50's album is NOT also speaks volumes about which album has stood the test of time better.
um actually grodt has sold more than all eyez on me when you count the actual numbers sold.........and also that's stupid to say because pac's album is still selling 8 years from now and 50's isn't , neither album are contemporary with each other one album is damn near 10 years old and the other is 2! also if you're going to judge an album by how many units it still pushes GRODT is outselling all eyez on me. i love all eyez on me way more than get rich, but facts are facts, 50's debut had, has, and is outselling pac's best work.
and overseer you're wrong about biggie being the first to reach diamond status in hip hop terms, mc hammer was the first.......wether you consider mc hammer a great rapper or not he was still the first last and only real rapper to really sell that many units.
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This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.
Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.
lol bullshit
1. 50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96'
2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol
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This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.
Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.
lol bullshit
1. 50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96'
2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol
Hahahaha, I think your living in a fantasy world. Let me drop some REAL knowledge for you.....learn it, and learn it well.
You obviously werent listening to rap in 96'. Pac was BY FAR the most popular rapper in 96'........there was nobody even close. This aint even up for debate. AEOM was the highest selling rap album of 96', it had 6 singles (including two #1 hits), and the Makaveli album was also a #1 album and again, Pac was the first artist ever to have two #1 albums in the same year. Pac OWNED 96', and had he survived, he woulda owned 97', 98', 99', and beyond as well if he so desired to do so.....he was one album away from shutting down the entire rap game, and there was nobody who could stop him, the game was his for the taking. 96' was just the beginning of his hour.
When 50 makes two #1 albums in the same year, does two movies, records over 300 songs, and is involved in the biggest beef in hip hop history and takes on a whole coast single handedly, then maybe he will have been bigger than Pac......until then, NADA. Also, 50's album didnt have any impact or influence at all, it just sold mad units. AEOM changed the entire rap game and created a new formula for other rappers to follow, including 50 himself. That album is the REAL blueprint, the album every mainstream hardcore rapper today dreams of making. 50 was perhaps bigger than Pac was in 94' or even 95', but nowhere near as big as Pac was in 96'.
And hell no rap wasnt at its commercial peak in 94'-98....it was at its ARTISTIC peak, yes, but not its commercial peak. Back then, there were no such thing as rappers who sold a million in the first week or 8 million overall (Snoop came the closest with Doggystyle's 800,000 and I think Pac sold about 700,000 with Makaveli in their first week respectively). Rap is far more commercially accepted by the general public today then it was 10 years ago....that is most definatly a fact. If 50 and Em came out in 94-96' (if they would have been able to come out at all, since back then you actually had to have TALENT to get signed to a label), they wouldnt push nearly the same units they do today.
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This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.
Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.
lol bullshit
1. 50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96'
2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol
Hahahaha, I think your living in a fantasy world. Let me drop some REAL knowledge for you.....learn it, and learn it well.
You obviously werent listening to rap in 96'. Pac was BY FAR the most popular rapper in 96'........there was nobody even close. This aint even up for debate. AEOM was the highest selling rap album of 96', it had 6 singles (including two #1 hits), and the Makaveli album was also a #1 album and again, Pac was the first artist ever to have two #1 albums in the same year. Pac OWNED 96', and had he survived, he woulda owned 97', 98', 99', and beyond as well if he so desired to do so.....he was one album away from shutting down the entire rap game, and there was nobody who could stop him, the game was his for the taking. 96' was just the beginning of his hour.
When 50 makes two #1 albums in the same year, does two movies, records over 300 songs, and is involved in the biggest beef in hip hop history and takes on a whole coast single handedly, then maybe he will have been bigger than Pac......until then, NADA. Also, 50's album didnt have any impact or influence at all, it just sold mad units. AEOM changed the entire rap game and created a new formula for other rappers to follow, including 50 himself. That album is the REAL blueprint, the album every mainstream hardcore rapper today dreams of making. 50 was perhaps bigger than Pac was in 94' or even 95', but nowhere near as big as Pac was in 96'.
And hell no rap wasnt at its commercial peak in 94'-98....it was at its ARTISTIC peak, yes, but not its commercial peak. Back then, there were no such thing as rappers who sold a million in the first week or 8 million overall (Snoop came the closest with Doggystyle's 800,000 and I think Pac sold about 700,000 with Makaveli in their first week respectively). Rap is far more commercially accepted by the general public today then it was 10 years ago....that is most definatly a fact. If 50 and Em came out in 94-96' (if they would have been able to come out at all, since back then you actually had to have TALENT to get signed to a label), they wouldnt push nearly the same units they do today.
uhh actually all i listened to was rap back in 96' and 96' is my favorite year in music
1. 2pac sold a lot in 96' but the fugees and bone sold more. 2pac didn't REALLY start selling albums until after his death, AEOM and me against the world shot up the charts after he died in october of 96' and pac started getting REALLY popular in 97' and through out the years. Pac didn't own 96' check any award show MTV, Billboard, American Music, Grammy, ect. if you own that year you are all over those......the biggest thing pac did on these shows was introduce Kiss and give metallica an award for best hard rock video. compare that shit to 50 cent selling more in one month than both aeom and makaveli did put together in one month......i love pac and don't really like 50 but 50 is more popular now than pac was in 96 AND 97' , pac Definately had a better album(s) and was a better rapper i'm not debateing that but there is NOoooooooooooo way he is more popular......50's got his own shoes, clothing line, ect. this argument isn't about who's album is more influencial or who's a better rapper or how hard pac worked , the title is units, and MR. G units best selling album has outsold pac's best selling album....PLAIN AND SIMPLE
2. and yes rap sold more back in the day , everyone who came out with an album that was on mtv had at LEAST a triple platnum album............now a days the only rappers who move big units are Em Nelly 50 and Outkast
back in the day you had snoop going 6 mil , bone going 5 -6 mil coolio going 3-4 mil pac selling 5 mil and every other rapper in between going 2 -3 million look at the charts in the mid 90's and see how many multi platnum awards that were given out then look at the charts now......
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All I know is, "All Eyez On Me" went Diamond, "Get Rich or Die Trying" did NOT go Diamond......On ANY professional list Pac's album will be listed as the better selling album.
I couldnt care less about award shows and who has their own clothing line and what not......none of that means anything to me. Im talking about THE MUSIC here, and the impact it had. Musically speaking, Pac was HUGE in 96'.....again, AEOM was the best selling rap album of 96', and it was an album that changed up the entire rap game. It sold almost 7 million BEFORE his death, and then another 2-3 million afterward. 50's album had absolutly no impact or influence on the game whatsoever. It just sold alot. He didnt create any new formulas or trends for other rappers to follow, nor did he change the rap game in any way, shape or form as Pac did in 96'. 50's album was quite forgettable and was not used as a blueprint for making other albums, whereareas All Eyez On Me was/still is.
Also, somebody has yet to come up with a refutation that Pac was the first artist in ANY genre to have two #1 albums in the same year.
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Word at Hellrazor...guy knows the facts
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Str8 from the RIAA:
2 PAC ALL EYEZ ON ME 06/18/98 DEATH ROW/POLYGRAM M (9) ALBUM SOLO Std
50 CENT GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN' 12/09/03 AFTERMATH / INTERSCOPE M (6) ALBUM SOLO Std
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It doesnt matter, All Eyez On Me IS still the listed as the higher selling album on ANY professional list of the best selling albums of all time.
You are making that up to make 2Pac look better, that is pathetic. That statement is competely wrong.
The fact AEOM is a Diamond/near Diamond award album and Get Rich or Die Trying is NOT automatically makes AEOM the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.
So more people can buy 50 Cent's album but 2Pac's can still be the higher selling album? Now that's the logic of a dickrider.
Sorry, but album sales are measured by the multi-platinum level, not by actual units sold. Thats the way it works, and the way it always will be.
Only if it makes 2Pac look better, right? Sales aren't measured by actual units sold? That's comedy.
Word at Hellrazor...guy knows the facts
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biggie went diamond.. pac didn't... end of. :D
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biggie went diamond.. pac didn't... end of. :D
true, Pac only sold 9 million(really 4.5 million)copies of AEOM, while Biggie sold 10 million(5 million)of LAD...
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It doesnt matter, All Eyez On Me IS still the listed as the higher selling album on ANY professional list of the best selling albums of all time.
You are making that up to make 2Pac look better, that is pathetic. That statement is competely wrong.
The fact AEOM is a Diamond/near Diamond award album and Get Rich or Die Trying is NOT automatically makes AEOM the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.
So more people can buy 50 Cent's album but 2Pac's can still be the higher selling album? Now that's the logic of a dickrider.
Sorry, but album sales are measured by the multi-platinum level, not by actual units sold. Thats the way it works, and the way it always will be.
Only if it makes 2Pac look better, right? Sales aren't measured by actual units sold? That's comedy.
Word at Hellrazor...guy knows the facts
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All Eyez On Me sold more than Get Rich or Die Trying. This is a FACT. There is NO disputing it whatsoever.
Pac shits all over 50, musically, lyrically, and conceptually. Pac has SOLD MORE records than 50. Pac will always be a higher selling artist than 50.
CLOSE THREAD.
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biggie went diamond.. pac didn't... end of. :D
true, Pac only sold 9 million(really 4.5 million)copies of AEOM, while Biggie sold 10 million(5 million)of LAD...
AEOM was certified 9 x platinum almost 7 years ago, and has been a steady catalog seller since. You mean to tell me it hasnt gone up since that time?? ::) Its probably already passed up LAD a long time ago, and if it hasnt yet, it will soon enough......Pac's double cd has been a much more consistant back catalog seller than Biggie's double cd.
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Str8 from the RIAA:
2 PAC ALL EYEZ ON ME 06/18/98 DEATH ROW/POLYGRAM M (9) ALBUM SOLO Std
50 CENT GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN' 12/09/03 AFTERMATH / INTERSCOPE M (6) ALBUM SOLO Std
couldnt have said it better myself.....last I checked, 9 was greater than 6.
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gotta love these pac groupies
last I checked the artist who sold more is the one who.. hmm sold more.
[..] the higher selling album, regardless of how many people bought 50's album.
the word 'retard' comes to mind
and please don't tell me Pac is the goat cuz artists dickride him, he's the most well known legend in hiphop and dead.. there's nothin else to expect
as for the impact, I'll prefer no impact at all over the negative influence pac had (even if it ain't his fault) any day
there is no goat and sucess doesn't have shit to do with quality, Pac had some RnB hooks, posed for pcis like this one (http://2pacfans.de/gallery/pictures/2Pac484.jpg) and was backed up by the biggest label of it's time, with who's rise he had nothin to do with plus a beef that gave him a shitload of publicity just like the Ja beef did for 50.. --> a shitload of sold albums but he wasn't yet bigger than the DPG, his death made him the biggest
props to Pac for being a talented artist but you kids make him a god which he ain't, please get of his nuts
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these topics are so controversial. regardless of whether or not pac is the GOAT, record sales don't tell the whole story.
you can't compare albums and artists from different times. just like you can't compare athletes or writers or actors from different times.
people have different resources available at different times and you can't base their sales on anything. pac sold 6 million albums (or whatever the fuck it was) in a time when rap was being attacked by everyone. in 1996, rap was not an accepted form of music nor an acceptable form of art. back then, a big part of the presidential campaign had to do with bringing down rappers. back then, the only commercials pac was allowed on was radio commercials sellin malt liquor.
nowadays, rap is on commercials and tv and all over the pop culture scene. it's all over tv. 50 cent has his own clothing and shoe line. back when pac sold those albums, it was part of people's presidential campaign to hold him down. mtv didn't have 48 million tv shows or specials about him and they didn't even have a solid rap show at that time.
today, 50 makes rakim sound like a nursery school rhymer. if someone spit "i came in the door, i said it before, i never let the mic magnetize me no more" today as a new rhyme, people would clown him because that shit isn't nearly as complex as anything coming out nowadays. but back then, that shit was fresh. it was raw. it was unheard of back then. just like pac. pac was the biggest thing to hit rap and most definately paved the way for 50 to sell so many goddam records.
people don't realize that you can't take different people from different times and cultures and compare them. it's just not plausible and it doesn't respect either of the time periods that the people are from.
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This doesn't make Pac the greatest of all time, it just makes him the most hyped of all time. Why didn't Pac sell this much when he was still alive? It's mainly the hype that sold. Don't get me wrong, Pac might as well be the GOAT, but it wouldn't come to my mind concluding that from his posthumous record sales.
Where you listening to hip hop in 96', when Pac was on top of the rap game?? I dont know if you were or if you werent, but In any case, I was there to see it, and he was HUGE.....bigger than 50 is now. When AEOM came out, the impact it had on the rap game was almost incalcuable, and it sold over 5 million in the first two months of its release alone....at a time when rap was far less popular/commercially acceptable than it is now.
lol bullshit
1. 50 is so much more popular now than pac was back in 96'.......pac wasn't even the most popular rapper back in 96'
2. rap was JUST as accepted as it is now, maybe even more so , because rap is clouded or dilluded more with pop than ever, hip hop was at it's pinacle back in 94-98 as far as comercial success....during this time you had average rappers going 3 time platnum...there were more big numbers going up in the mid 90's than now, that's fact dude lol
Hahahaha, I think your living in a fantasy world. Let me drop some REAL knowledge for you.....learn it, and learn it well.
You obviously werent listening to rap in 96'. Pac was BY FAR the most popular rapper in 96'........there was nobody even close. This aint even up for debate. AEOM was the highest selling rap album of 96', it had 6 singles (including two #1 hits), and the Makaveli album was also a #1 album and again, Pac was the first artist ever to have two #1 albums in the same year. Pac OWNED 96', and had he survived, he woulda owned 97', 98', 99', and beyond as well if he so desired to do so.....he was one album away from shutting down the entire rap game, and there was nobody who could stop him, the game was his for the taking. 96' was just the beginning of his hour.
When 50 makes two #1 albums in the same year, does two movies, records over 300 songs, and is involved in the biggest beef in hip hop history and takes on a whole coast single handedly, then maybe he will have been bigger than Pac......until then, NADA. Also, 50's album didnt have any impact or influence at all, it just sold mad units. AEOM changed the entire rap game and created a new formula for other rappers to follow, including 50 himself. That album is the REAL blueprint, the album every mainstream hardcore rapper today dreams of making. 50 was perhaps bigger than Pac was in 94' or even 95', but nowhere near as big as Pac was in 96'.
And hell no rap wasnt at its commercial peak in 94'-98....it was at its ARTISTIC peak, yes, but not its commercial peak. Back then, there were no such thing as rappers who sold a million in the first week or 8 million overall (Snoop came the closest with Doggystyle's 800,000 and I think Pac sold about 700,000 with Makaveli in their first week respectively). Rap is far more commercially accepted by the general public today then it was 10 years ago....that is most definatly a fact. If 50 and Em came out in 94-96' (if they would have been able to come out at all, since back then you actually had to have TALENT to get signed to a label), they wouldnt push nearly the same units they do today.
i agree with you
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You all are crazy, lol.
In 1996 alone, Pac was been certified 7x platinum with AEOM (December 9, 1996) and 2x platinum (January 10, 1997) with Makaveli. That's 9 fucking millions just in 11 months, from feb 1996 to jan 1997.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, PLEASE!!!
And i quoted RIAA's certifications, so that means ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES.
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These anti-Pac heads are a chuckle a minute. Fuck outta here.
FACT (not opinion): Pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist of all time, according to the RIAA, Billboard, and the Guiness Book of World Records. Id say that makes it pretty much OFFICIAL. If anyone even attempts to argue this, you are one thick-headed motherfucker that cant admit he's wrong.
If you anti-Pac heads dont like it, I dont know what to tell you, but those are the facts. Either accept them, or go cry like a bitch about it somewhere else. Now, close this piece of shit thread.
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You all are crazy, lol.
In 1996 alone, Pac was been certified 7x platinum with AEOM (December 9, 1996) and 2x platinum (January 10, 1997) with Makaveli. That's 9 fucking millions just in 11 months, from feb 1996 to jan 1997.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, PLEASE!!!
And i quoted RIAA's certifications, so that means ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES.
And those were the numbers waaaaay back then. Now, the numbers (for both albums combined) is closer to like 15-16 million, and they're still going strong. AEOM has been on the charts for over 450 consecutive weeks I believe.
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man u guys are all fuckin crazy i say we all just STFU!!! and enjoy the music these artists have created for us to listen to
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These anti-Pac heads are a chuckle a minute. Fuck outta here.
FACT (not opinion): Pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist of all time, according to the RIAA, Billboard, and the Guiness Book of World Records. Id say that makes it pretty much OFFICIAL. If anyone even attempts to argue this, you are one thick-headed motherfucker that cant admit he's wrong.
If you anti-Pac heads dont like it, I dont know what to tell you, but those are the facts. Either accept them, or go cry like a bitch about it somewhere else. Now, close this piece of shit thread.
lol @"anti pac heads" who in this thread hated on pac ? sales don't tell shit about quality so doubting that pac sold as much as he did is not hatin, if the peeps who said 50 sold more are wrong then they are simply mistaking. Pac could be the biggest selling music artist ever and it still wouldn't mean a thing about the quality of his work. The only peeps who can sell that kinda numbers are peeps who are supported by the pop crowd who will buy whatever is on top. That goes for Pac, Em, 50 and all of em. Ice Cube is a legend and a vet who did way more for HipHop than Pac (talkin bout positive things) and he never did those kinda numbers. That's cause the mtv kids don't feel his shit as they do Pac's, Em's or 50's cause he's not commercialized the way they are, not runnig around with his shirt of whenever the camera is on as 50 and Pac do / did, ect.
nobody said 50 was better than Pac
how can you possibly be such a dickrider to get mad about someone doubting your hero's sales ? sales ain't shit when it comes to quality.. and that's the reason you are crying for and callin everyone an "anti Pac head" for ? ..dizzamn his nuts are deeply anchored in your mouth, that's for sure
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Also, somebody has yet to come up with a refutation that Pac was the first artist in ANY genre to have two #1 albums in the same year.
Elvis did it in '57. The Beatles did it in '67 I think, '65 and '63, if you count outside the US. Elvis definately had it in '57 in the US though.
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^^ but you gotta admit, 2pac up in the same category as Elvis and The Beatles?
that's gangsta.
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I wasn't putting down Pac. I was just clearing up a false claim. Howver in all honesty, if any big name pop stars dropped two albums in one year they'd get two number ! albums. You think if Eminem dropped album the same year as MMLP it wouldn't have went to 1. He dropped 8 mile right after EM Show and that hit number 1. If Britany dropped two albums in 2000 they'd both go to #1. Same goes for N' Synch. Chart position doesn't mean that much.
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These anti-Pac heads are a chuckle a minute. Fuck outta here.
FACT (not opinion): Pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist of all time, according to the RIAA, Billboard, and the Guiness Book of World Records. Id say that makes it pretty much OFFICIAL. If anyone even attempts to argue this, you are one thick-headed motherfucker that cant admit he's wrong.
If you anti-Pac heads dont like it, I dont know what to tell you, but those are the facts. Either accept them, or go cry like a bitch about it somewhere else. Now, close this piece of shit thread.
lol @"anti pac heads" who in this thread hated on pac ? sales don't tell shit about quality so doubting that pac sold as much as he did is not hatin, if the peeps who said 50 sold more are wrong then they are simply mistaking. Pac could be the biggest selling music artist ever and it still wouldn't mean a thing about the quality of his work. The only peeps who can sell that kinda numbers are peeps who are supported by the pop crowd who will buy whatever is on top. That goes for Pac, Em, 50 and all of em. Ice Cube is a legend and a vet who did way more for HipHop than Pac (talkin bout positive things) and he never did those kinda numbers. That's cause the mtv kids don't feel his shit as they do Pac's, Em's or 50's cause he's not commercialized the way they are, not runnig around with his shirt of whenever the camera is on as 50 and Pac do / did, ect.
nobody said 50 was better than Pac
how can you possibly be such a dickrider to get mad about someone doubting your hero's sales ? sales ain't shit when it comes to quality.. and that's the reason you are crying for and callin everyone an "anti Pac head" for ? ..dizzamn his nuts are deeply anchored in your mouth, that's for sure
Cube had more positive ish to say than Pac?? Lol, thats a joke. Cube never made a "Keep Ya Head Up" or "Brendas Got a Baby", or even a "White Mans World"......Pac was THE king at making socially concious/uplifting songs. Cube didnt have half the impact on hip hop culture that Pac did, that isnt even really up for debate but if you want to go there, id be more than happy to son you in front of this entire board. Lets not go there homie.
And please, for your own credibility, dont compare Eminem and 50 to 2Pac.......Pac is a real poet and songwriter, Em and 50 are syrupy pop garbage whos music will be forgotten about in a few years.
also, just because someone sells mad units doesnt mean only the pop TRL crowd likes them......those are definatly the words of a true hater right there. Dont hate cause your fav MC doesnt sell as much or have as much success. Pac sold that many records because he's an icon and simply made music that people could feel, simple as that. There's a reason why Pac's records still go platinum and debut at the top of the charts years after his death while todays rappers are only hot for a minute then there gone......its quite simple: Pac made BETTER and more timeless music. End of story.
Fall back son. You dont want it with Razor, ill take you to school in front on this whole forum.
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I wasn't putting down Pac. I was just clearing up a false claim. Howver in all honesty, if any big name pop stars dropped two albums in one year they'd get two number ! albums. You think if Eminem dropped album the same year as MMLP it wouldn't have went to 1. He dropped 8 mile right after EM Show and that hit number 1. If Britany dropped two albums in 2000 they'd both go to #1. Same goes for N' Synch. Chart position doesn't mean that much.
Yea, but Pac's music was made in a different era than today's music. Today, it would be much easier to have two #1 albums in the same year. In 1990's or before, this was almost unheard of and impossible to accomplish, especially in hip hop. If Eminem came out in the 90's, he wouldnt sell half the units or debut number one as easily as he does today. In the 90's, you actually had to have something called TALENT to be able to sell alot of records and stay around. Look at MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.....they sold mad records, but were only around for a year or two then they were forgotten about. Pac was really the first hip hop artist that could sell 7 million records AND STILL maintain hip hop respect.
Even if Elvis did have the two #1 albums in 57', the fact Pac was the first artist (and the fact he was a hip hop artist at that) to do it in almost 40 years is staggering. Truly, Pac is the only hip hip artist that is worthy of being mentioned alongside names like Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, etc etc....
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These anti-Pac heads are a chuckle a minute. Fuck outta here.
FACT (not opinion): Pac is the biggest selling hip hop artist of all time, according to the RIAA, Billboard, and the Guiness Book of World Records. Id say that makes it pretty much OFFICIAL. If anyone even attempts to argue this, you are one thick-headed motherfucker that cant admit he's wrong.
If you anti-Pac heads dont like it, I dont know what to tell you, but those are the facts. Either accept them, or go cry like a bitch about it somewhere else. Now, close this piece of shit thread.
lol @"anti pac heads" who in this thread hated on pac ? sales don't tell shit about quality so doubting that pac sold as much as he did is not hatin, if the peeps who said 50 sold more are wrong then they are simply mistaking. Pac could be the biggest selling music artist ever and it still wouldn't mean a thing about the quality of his work. The only peeps who can sell that kinda numbers are peeps who are supported by the pop crowd who will buy whatever is on top. That goes for Pac, Em, 50 and all of em. Ice Cube is a legend and a vet who did way more for HipHop than Pac (talkin bout positive things) and he never did those kinda numbers. That's cause the mtv kids don't feel his shit as they do Pac's, Em's or 50's cause he's not commercialized the way they are, not runnig around with his shirt of whenever the camera is on as 50 and Pac do / did, ect.
nobody said 50 was better than Pac
how can you possibly be such a dickrider to get mad about someone doubting your hero's sales ? sales ain't shit when it comes to quality.. and that's the reason you are crying for and callin everyone an "anti Pac head" for ? ..dizzamn his nuts are deeply anchored in your mouth, that's for sure
Cube had more positive ish to say than Pac?? Lol, thats a joke. Cube never made a "Keep Ya Head Up" or "Brendas Got a Baby", or even a "White Mans World"......Pac was THE king at making socially concious/uplifting songs. Cube didnt have half the impact on hip hop culture that Pac did, that isnt even really up for debate but if you want to go there, id be more than happy to son you in front of this entire board. Lets not go there homie.
"more positive to say" is undefined and therefore pointless. Don't try to put words in my mouth kid, I said he had more positive influence on HipHop. Being good at something doesn't necessarily influence others to bee good too, in Pac's case, way more people tried to imitate him (poorly)by claiming to be thugs than by coming up with good conscious lyricism themselves. Pac had a shitload of impact, but most of it was negative for the reason I just explained. Cube helped establishing political quality lyricism and made gangsta rap big with NWA. His positive impact on a whole nother level than Pac's, even though Pac is of course bigger. If you define "sonning" as putting words in my mouth, bringing up irrelevant aspects and making a fool of yourself, then congrats, u did it
And please, for your own credibility, dont compare Eminem and 50 to 2Pac.......Pac is a real poet and songwriter, Em and 50 are syrupy pop garbage whos music will be forgotten about in a few years.
I compare their sales and the reason they can sell that much, I never said 50 was on Pac's level. Em is capable of lyricism Pac is not capable of so you're really just proving how much of a dickrider you are and how little your knowledge on hiphop, especially lyricism is by making an ignorant statement like the one above. Eminem is not a songwroter ? biatch please
also, just because someone sells mad units doesnt mean only the pop TRL crowd likes them......those are definatly the words of a true hater right there.
those are words that a true nutlicker (yet again) put in the mouth of a unbiased, realistically thinkin hiphoper.
Lies can't help you here kid, everything I said is still in this thread to be quoted of needed, so what's the point ? I never said Pac had only these kinda fans, what I said is you can't sell that much if these peeps do not buy your shit, of course there are also real (hiphop) fans who liked him, alot actually, but there's also the pop crowd, lil ass girls like my lil sister who don't know shit about hiphop or good music but simply like what the media tells em to like. Wihouth them Pac and all the other artists who sell that much couldn't have done it.
Dont hate cause your fav MC doesnt sell as much or have as much success. Pac sold that many records because he's an icon and simply made music that people could feel, simple as that. There's a reason why Pac's records still go platinum and debut at the top of the charts years after his death while todays rappers are only hot for a minute then there gone......its quite simple: Pac made BETTER and more timeless music. End of story.
Em's hot for a minute and then gone ? yeah right
you try to make Pac's death look like a disadvantage for the sales of the albums he released, that's a joke kid, even you should be able to admit it.
It's his death that made him the most famous legend of hiphop, just look at his sales.
Peeps like KRS built hiphop, Pac didn't build shit, not conscious rap, not gangsta rap, not any of the styles he was kicking. the media is the reason peeps like KRS could never be as famous as Pac, if 'legend' was based on how much they dd for HipHop Pac wouldn't even be one. He was a great artist but eversince his prime HipHop has become weaker, not better. peeps like KRS established conscious rap, peeps like Cube established gangsta rap and helped establishing political rap. Pac did neither, simple as. No we got pricks like Ja Rule tryna be thugs and come off "deep" at the same time cause Pac was sucessfull with it, Pac's influence on hiphop, without it being his fault, was NOT good.
Fall back son. You dont want it with Razor, ill take you to school in front on this whole forum.
lol.. that statement's funny and sad at the same time
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I wasn't putting down Pac. I was just clearing up a false claim. Howver in all honesty, if any big name pop stars dropped two albums in one year they'd get two number ! albums. You think if Eminem dropped album the same year as MMLP it wouldn't have went to 1. He dropped 8 mile right after EM Show and that hit number 1. If Britany dropped two albums in 2000 they'd both go to #1. Same goes for N' Synch. Chart position doesn't mean that much.
Yea, but Pac's music was made in a different era than today's music. Today, it would be much easier to have two #1 albums in the same year. In 1990's or before, this was almost unheard of and impossible to accomplish, especially in hip hop. If Eminem came out in the 90's, he wouldnt sell half the units or debut number one as easily as he does today. In the 90's, you actually had to have something called TALENT to be able to sell alot of records and stay around. Look at MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice.....they sold mad records, but were only around for a year or two then they were forgotten about. Pac was really the first hip hop artist that could sell 7 million records AND STILL maintain hip hop respect.
Even if Elvis did have the two #1 albums in 57', the fact Pac was the first artist (and the fact he was a hip hop artist at that) to do it in almost 40 years is staggering. Truly, Pac is the only hip hip artist that is worthy of being mentioned alongside names like Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, etc etc....
But you have to understand that any number #1 selling artist that decided to release two albums in one year would do so. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Garth Brooks, Smashing Pumpkins, Mariah Carey etc. The difference is that when these atrists is when they release an album they go on tour afterwards for more than a year so they don't take time to record a new album but when the next when came it would hit number 1. 2pac never did any big tours. The guy would perform at clubs and small venues, while guys like Bruce Springsteen can do Giant Stadium 10 nights in a row at 50,000 tickets sold a night. 2pac could never have done that. I still love his music and still think he's the best rapper but I'm realistic enough to know that two #1 albums didn't put thim in the next level of entertainers as far as popularity goes.