It's June 07, 2024, 09:47:06 PM
No one is denying that the rich white west is a key factor in the poverty of the 3rd world. But the problem for a lot of whites in the west is that they are taught to feel like they are responsible for it. The truth is the vast majority of them are just pawns that couldn't do anything to stop it, and had very little if anything at all to do with it ever.
The basic thought that the difference between a poor white man and a rich white man in the USA 200 years ago was how many slaves they had is absolutely ridiculous
In the United States the poverty rate of blacks may double that of whites, but 80% of blacks are above the poverty line, and there are triple the number of poor whites than poor blacks, and more than double more poor whites than poor blacks and latinos combined.
There may not be a level playing field
Of course as Nibs mentioned that negative affect is nothing next to the problems of the third world and maybe if people here remembered that there wouldn't be as much white suburban suicide or black ghetto homicide. It's funny because such a small portion of each group is affected by either.
this is not true as it was regular people that took part in facilitating the slave trade and the managing of slaves as well as supporting the infrastructure of society itself. if a vile crime is being committed in your community, and you support and reap the benefits of this crime indirectly...then you should share in on the blame.
the poor white man with nothing by and large looked up to and wanted to be the rich white man with slaves. the supported the principle of slavery even if they didn't own slaves themselves.
there are ~6 times as many whites as blacks yet using your numbers ony 3 times as many poor whites as poor blacks. that is the problem. if you get the rates the same across races; then blacks will stop complaining. the goal is for race to be an uninteresting demographic category.
are you suggesting that the playing field is level enough, or do you think there is more to do. i can't speak for these people that think blacks have it worse than sex slaves in the philipians. you are making this "not too bad" argument when the statistics are not only not good enough, but the trends are declining for blacks in terms of metrics like wealth, spending power, property ownership. the recent trends have been towards a broadening gap and not a closing gap.
i agree 100% with that and what's more interesting is that people now have more power and influence and information than at any other previous time, and yet they fall prey to these manipulations and squander their power.if people in the west, whether it be in europe or in america took a greater interest in the world and their politics, they could influence great change. the reins that the elite hold on power are more flimsy than ever, and the mechanisms used to maintain power more devious...
So if one sixth of the whites worked in the slave trade (which is a stretch), then at least five sixths didn't.
Now you insult the intelligence of the common man. They may have gone along with the idea that blacks were inferior, or at least pretended to in order to not cause trouble, but if you think that for a second a family of small farmers that came from a family of small farmers thought they could one day own a plantation when all the good land was taken by the rich, and given the number of slaves the rich had, the man power heavily outweighed small farmer's then you are kidding yourself. They knew what was out of reach.
The get rich quick schemes, and rags to riches stories are a new thing in society as far as common examples go. There were no big sports leagues to become a star in, or Hollywood, or some great invention you could make millions with. Today those pipe dreams plague the people into thinking they have shot.
I think it's a chicken and the egg scenario mixed in with the head start the whites had.
Blacks are more likely to feel victimized and are conditioned to consider themselves in a lower class (by blacks as well as whites) and in turn you get more blacks say "fuck it" than you do whites, but you still have more blacks that don't say that, and yet everyone still focuses on the minority that do.
Why is it that a Jamaican in Toronto was more likely to run out on his pregnant girlfriend than any of the other races? Why was a Jamaican more likely to try their hand at drugs?I've concluded (my answer could change one day), that it's the lack discipline that goes with seeing the white society as your enemy and putting your issues with whites ahead of your responsibility to your own family (usually unknowingly), and the idea that you can't live as well as the whites in terms of self worth and happiness.
When my grandfather was young and he impregnated my grandmother, he refused to marry. Do you know what happened to him? He was thrown in jail and wasn't let out until agreed to marry her. This was the mentality many of the Greeks who came here had. They saw the whites as different, as the enemy, but they were going to strive despite that. That's the mentality I grew up with.
We were taught to see the whites as oppressors but we were never allowed to go against our values oir give these whites a reason to think we are any less than them. That is a mentality that does not exist in the black community here and probably not in any major US city. You ask a Greek what hardships feel upon Greece and he'll tell you all about what the Greeks "overcame", you ask a Jamaican and they'll tell you all about what the Jamaicans "suffered".
I don't think there was a time in history where the have-nots weren't too many and the people in power probably like it that way. I don't think it can be changed in this World. I guess that's why I have faith in a better one.
1.) If the ratio of white to black is 6 to 1 and plantation owners had many slaves then it is mathematically impossible for many common folks to have any slaves. I'm not saying no one did, but there is no way the majority could have slaves.
2.) That bullshit myth that people were leaving their countries because they wanted to get rich is just that; a myth. My family was more or less forced out of Greece since the area they lived had been war torn and the same goes a lot of Europeans. The well to do came over to do better, the poor came over because they were forced, one way or another, and the well to do need forces to make sure the slaves couldn't revolt.
4) Every Jamaican I know has a strong bond to other Jamaicans and the country and culture of Jamaica. The thugs fight each other more than anyone else but the Italian Mobsters fought each other more that anyone else too.
5) Why is it that the Greeks can be ruled and oppressed by Muslims for 400 years, be forced to learn Islam and the way or Turkish life and still secretly hold on to Christianity and Greek culture, but the black slaves couldn't hold on to their culture.
Firstly the high courts of Zimbabwe ruled the seizures illegal and were subsequently forced to flee for their leaves after being told they would be killed if they didnt leave immediately.
However what I would like to comment on is your idea that it was badly planned and executed, no it was not badly planned and executed it was deliberately done. The land has been given to the closest associates of his and policemen secret service of his to name but a few.
He couldnt keep the white farmers in operational control
Zimbabweans are being held down by their own brutal government more than any whites. Yet despite this farrakhan was the man praising this strong leader.
As for the point about slavery in general, whats done is done it happened and yet some black people still feel like whitey owes them.
I also think its nonsense when you said you can put food on the table house over your head etc, how can someone be fortunate in that respect when the only way they can do that is live in financial impisonment, in other words always being in debt.
Yet instead of realising that most whites in this country are in the same damn position as them they want to continue with this mentality of being held down.