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Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 06:57:26 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 06:17:47 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 06:07:55 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.his a hip hop producer. Your main beef with him is that. I am someone who listens to hip-hop and all music and takes it for what it is. I think Dre is a great producer, and he came up with most the sounds, and how he wanted them, yet you are someone who likes to credit the player for playing his guitar, so you credit Scott Storch over Dr. Dre, even if Dre came up with the melody.
Quote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 06:17:47 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 06:07:55 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.
Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 06:07:55 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.
Quote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.
Quote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.
Quote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.
On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.
Quote from: Suga Foot on April 17, 2006, 05:15:49 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs. I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.7 outta how many. name them
Quote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 05:09:49 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 17, 2006, 03:41:10 PMQuote from: M Dogg on April 17, 2006, 01:56:38 PMOn 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs. I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.
I don't understand, I doubt Dre WROTE anything, he doesn't know notes like that, I'm assuming. He could have done some digging and found the samples and had Elizondo or somebody re-play them, Dre has the last say which makes him the producer, the ear.