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Quote from: dexter on October 14, 2006, 08:37:17 AMQuote from: virtuoso on October 13, 2006, 02:05:29 PMThat article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?Why invade in the FIRST Place? Lots of reasons. They have lots of oil, for 1. We didn't like the guy that ran the place, so we went in and arrested him and killed his children, for 2. They're muslim, we're christians, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to invade a country, you're losing the argument before you even begin.You would have been much better off, instead of saying there's no reason to invade, saying that we're invading for an unjust reason. For instance, if you argued that we hate muslims, you could find facts or statements to support that, and then make America look bad or whatever you intend to do with your argument. If, however, you take your approach, and act like there's no reason to invade... then you miss a great opportunity. If there is absolutely no reason to invade, all you can do is accuse Bush of being an idiot. If you instead would have assigned some other motive to his reasons for invading, you could truly demonize him (or cheney, rumsfield, whoever you prefer) and your argument would be much, much stronger. In other words, you're playing with the big boys and you didn't do your homework. Bow down to a brother stronger than you.
Quote from: virtuoso on October 13, 2006, 02:05:29 PMThat article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?Why invade in the FIRST Place?
That article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?
Quote from: Ellsworth "Bumpy" Johnson on October 13, 2006, 05:33:26 PMQuote from: Bow Down To The King Of Kings on October 13, 2006, 02:21:20 PMthere will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course. The difference is that the Japanese and Germans aren't killing our troops there on a regular basis.They were 50 years ago. Think about it, you narrow minded shortsighted motherfucker.
Quote from: Bow Down To The King Of Kings on October 13, 2006, 02:21:20 PMthere will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course. The difference is that the Japanese and Germans aren't killing our troops there on a regular basis.
there will always be troops in Iraq, I would estimate for at least the next 40 years. We're still in Japan and Germany, of course.
Quote from: Trauma-san on October 18, 2006, 09:32:12 PMQuote from: dexter on October 14, 2006, 08:37:17 AMQuote from: virtuoso on October 13, 2006, 02:05:29 PMThat article is ab absolute joke, its a complete mind fuck as we both know, many times before they have made noises that would soon pull out of Iraq but it never happens. They will be there for many decades if I was going to put a guesstimate on how long I would say at least 30 years, what do you reckon?Why invade in the FIRST Place? Lots of reasons. They have lots of oil, for 1. We didn't like the guy that ran the place, so we went in and arrested him and killed his children, for 2. They're muslim, we're christians, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to invade a country, you're losing the argument before you even begin.You would have been much better off, instead of saying there's no reason to invade, saying that we're invading for an unjust reason. For instance, if you argued that we hate muslims, you could find facts or statements to support that, and then make America look bad or whatever you intend to do with your argument. If, however, you take your approach, and act like there's no reason to invade... then you miss a great opportunity. If there is absolutely no reason to invade, all you can do is accuse Bush of being an idiot. If you instead would have assigned some other motive to his reasons for invading, you could truly demonize him (or cheney, rumsfield, whoever you prefer) and your argument would be much, much stronger. In other words, you're playing with the big boys and you didn't do your homework. Bow down to a brother stronger than you. When he asks a question like this, he implies that there is no good reason to invade. By "good reason" I don't mean good in the sense of lucrative, but in the plain sense of good.So, all the 3 reasons you mentioned are reasons only assholes would consider as reasons before they do something. It's like, when somebody rapes the 5 year old daughter of someone, and in court the mother shouts in tears "why would you do those unbelieveable things to a little innocent girl?" and the rapist answers calmly: "Lots of reasons. Because it's cheaper than taking a prostitude, for 1. I didn't like her daddy because he had some beef with my father, so I went and raped his child, for 2. She's black, I'm white, for 3. I could give you several reasons, don't play stupid. Let me explain something to you. When you hypothetically state there is no reason to rape and molest an innocent little girl, you're losing the argument before you even begin."See how stupid you look now? Now, of course back in the day, let's say 3 and a half years ago, you wouldn't have replied with such an answer to that question. You probably would've been like "because they are connected to al quaeda, and because they have WMD and are a threat to the whole western hemisphere you stupid idiot"But as we all know now, that was straight up bullshit fed to the American public to make you sleep better at night.
They were 50 years ago. Think about it, you narrow minded shortsighted motherfucker.