***Offical E3 2006 Thread*** *update* GTA4 officially coming to 360 and PS3!!!

[Sikotic™]

Fuck Sony. I'm getting the Wii Revolution.

[Just Another Sunny day in California]

yo black smoke, do you know what happened to the halo trailer yet?

[ShadyGuru]

i really want ot get the ps3 and the Wii..... can i borrow some money?

back to playing tourist trophy...

[MANBEARPIG.]

yo black smoke, do you know what happened to the halo trailer yet?

no one knows about that yet, it wont be seen till the microsoft press conference tomorrow.

[Trauma-san]

WOW!!! A MOTION SENSITIVE CONTROLLER!!! Wonder where they got that from?

It's times like this when you gotta go with your heart, and I'm always gonna pick those that are trying to be different and look for new directions and chase new ideas.  Nintendo for 20 years has thought of new ways to make fun exciting games, Sony for 15 years has ripped those ideas off and looked for ways to 1up and copy the competition.  I've never been a follower and I'm not about to start now. 

[Trauma-san]

.. I read some more info from Sony's press conference.  Sony was in such a rush to A. copy the Wii controller, and B. ditch their horrible bat-arang controller, that they just jammed gyroscopes into the traditional DualShock controller.  Since they couldn't figure out how to get the gyroscopes to work with the rumble feature, they cut the rumble out of the controller.

Nintendo's Wii controller is an all new, 1 handed design.  It has gyroscopes, and accelerometers, and it also has a rumble feature (which Sony admitted in their press conference they couldn't get to work). 

The guy playing "Warhawk" in the press conference wrecked the plane trying to land it with the hacked PS2 controller. 

What a fucking steamer. 

[MANBEARPIG.]

.. I read some more info from Sony's press conference.  Sony was in such a rush to A. copy the Wii controller, and B. ditch their horrible bat-arang controller, that they just jammed gyroscopes into the traditional DualShock controller.  Since they couldn't figure out how to get the gyroscopes to work with the rumble feature, they cut the rumble out of the controller.

Nintendo's Wii controller is an all new, 1 handed design.  It has gyroscopes, and accelerometers, and it also has a rumble feature (which Sony admitted in their press conference they couldn't get to work). 

The guy playing "Warhawk" in the press conference wrecked the plane trying to land it with the hacked PS2 controller. 

What a fucking steamer. 

The whole gyroscope thing isnt really that far off from anything Nintendo did.  abotu 6 years ago nintendo came out with "Kirby's tilt and Tumble" a GBColor title that was motion sensitive.  I'll stick to my Gameboy Color before I go to PS3 hacks.

[Black_Smoke]

Microsoft reacts to sonys confrence

After Sony Computer Entertainment America held its news conference today -- a long conference which revealed a $499/$599 pricing structure, a vague online plan, and a variety of games -- Microsoft's top executives offered their comments.

IGN spoke over the phone with Shane Kim, Microsoft Game Studios general manager, and Christ Satchell, general manager of Microsoft's game developer group.

"From a gamer's perspective, I'm pretty disappointed in Sony's lack of innovation," said Satchell. "I mean, they didn't deliver anything terribly new, and at the cost of $600, $200 more than our system, it's hard to get excited about it. The 'new' controller was even disappointing. It's basically the same design. It doesn't seem good for consumers, just good for Sony."

When asked if Microsoft would lower the price to the Xbox 360's two systems, as an online rumor suggested, Kim said that Microsoft did not comment on rumors and speculation. But he did explain why Microsoft's package was more appealing. "Our top-priced premium system is $200 cheaper than theirs. And when you look at the whole package, our innovative online service, our price structure, the high quality of games, and the leadership we have provided, it's really hard justifying the price difference. We're in a real sweet spot with our pricing tier. We're really confident about where we are pricing-wise."

When asked whether Microsoft felt Sony could deliver 6 million units by March 2007, Kim offered this opinion. "We can't speculate on Sony's production capabilities. We're not experts on that. But as you know, getting six million units on the market place by March 2007 is a very challenging task. Based on what we know about launching a sophisticated system with many complicated parts, it's going to be very challenging.

"By June 2006, we project we'll meet our goal of having shipped 5 to 5.5 million Xbox 360s. On the subject of new content and announcements, you'll hear about the great new stuff we have at our conference tomorrow."

On the subject of online service, Satchell explained: "They provided no real commitment to actually delivering on their online service. They provided no innovation and leadership in that respect. They gave little time and effort to their online space."

Kim added, "We've sunk many years of investment into Xbox Live, and we have a lot of innovation there."

On the subject of Sony's potential medium superiority with Blue Ray technology, Satchell commented: "I think customers will want the best games and the best services. And the differences between 1080i and 1080p are miniscule; the differences are too hard to determine for most consumers; 1080p is a niche market. The sweet spot is 720p. But you know what? the real question is will your TV be able to run 1080p?"

Microsoft's E3 new conference is held at 11:30 PST, Tuesday, May. IGN will be there with a full report.

[Black_Smoke]

and yea the nintendo wii is suppose to be really cheap,ive been hearing various ppl say that it will launch for $249 ,will find out tmrw for sure if thats true or not

[Black_Smoke]

Nintendo's Wii controller is an all new, 1 handed design.  It has gyroscopes, and accelerometers, and it also has a rumble feature (which Sony admitted in their press conference they couldn't get to work). 

lol @ sony stating "rumble was last generation, movement is this generation." just cuz they cant get the rumble to work 


also theres suppose to be a playstation logo in the middle of the controller which is said to work like the xbox 360 guide button,lol sonys basically jacking nintendo and microsoft for their ideas,not that its a bad thing for us though,but definitely not original..

[Just Another Sunny day in California]

Nintendo's Wii controller is an all new, 1 handed design.  It has gyroscopes, and accelerometers, and it also has a rumble feature (which Sony admitted in their press conference they couldn't get to work). 

lol @ sony stating "rumble was last generation, movement is this generation." just cuz they cant get the rumble to work 


also theres suppose to be a playstation logo in the middle of the controller which is said to work like the xbox 360 guide button,lol sonys basically jacking nintendo and microsoft for their ideas,not that its a bad thing for us though,but definitely not original..

the xbox360 controller is a fuckin amazing design.  not only does it have a great feel to it when you're playing but being able to turn on the console from your bed and turn it off as well is fuckin genius.  I also love the lights around the 360 symbol on the controller which identifies what player you are and how many players are connected.  simple stuff like that made me fall in love with my 360.  with that said i "will" probably get ps3 but wait for the price to fall, i don't see the point in spending another 600 on another console that i believe is inferior to my 360

[Just Another Sunny day in California]

Microsoft reacts to sonys confrence

After Sony Computer Entertainment America held its news conference today -- a long conference which revealed a $499/$599 pricing structure, a vague online plan, and a variety of games -- Microsoft's top executives offered their comments.

IGN spoke over the phone with Shane Kim, Microsoft Game Studios general manager, and Christ Satchell, general manager of Microsoft's game developer group.

"From a gamer's perspective, I'm pretty disappointed in Sony's lack of innovation," said Satchell. "I mean, they didn't deliver anything terribly new, and at the cost of $600, $200 more than our system, it's hard to get excited about it. The 'new' controller was even disappointing. It's basically the same design. It doesn't seem good for consumers, just good for Sony."

When asked if Microsoft would lower the price to the Xbox 360's two systems, as an online rumor suggested, Kim said that Microsoft did not comment on rumors and speculation. But he did explain why Microsoft's package was more appealing. "Our top-priced premium system is $200 cheaper than theirs. And when you look at the whole package, our innovative online service, our price structure, the high quality of games, and the leadership we have provided, it's really hard justifying the price difference. We're in a real sweet spot with our pricing tier. We're really confident about where we are pricing-wise."

When asked whether Microsoft felt Sony could deliver 6 million units by March 2007, Kim offered this opinion. "We can't speculate on Sony's production capabilities. We're not experts on that. But as you know, getting six million units on the market place by March 2007 is a very challenging task. Based on what we know about launching a sophisticated system with many complicated parts, it's going to be very challenging.

"By June 2006, we project we'll meet our goal of having shipped 5 to 5.5 million Xbox 360s. On the subject of new content and announcements, you'll hear about the great new stuff we have at our conference tomorrow."

On the subject of online service, Satchell explained: "They provided no real commitment to actually delivering on their online service. They provided no innovation and leadership in that respect. They gave little time and effort to their online space."

Kim added, "We've sunk many years of investment into Xbox Live, and we have a lot of innovation there."

On the subject of Sony's potential medium superiority with Blue Ray technology, Satchell commented: "I think customers will want the best games and the best services. And the differences between 1080i and 1080p are miniscule; the differences are too hard to determine for most consumers; 1080p is a niche market. The sweet spot is 720p. But you know what? the real question is will your TV be able to run 1080p?"

Microsoft's E3 new conference is held at 11:30 PST, Tuesday, May. IGN will be there with a full report.

nice read, he raised some important facts and questions IMO.

[Digital Pimpin']

Whatever happens, above all, it's all about the games.

Fuck the technical details. After a year or two, you won't be able to tell the difference between PS3 and XBox360 versions of a game like Pro Evo or GTA.

[MIC]

Some thoughts:

1. Cheaper version will have no HDMI, meaning you want be able to play HD movies, they'll all be probably scaled down to 480p. What's worse, they didn't even say anything about a possible upgrade, so if you buy a cheaper console, you're stuck with it. If you buy a core 360, you at least can upgrade. Oh yeah, anyone remember how they promised to HDMIs?

2. Double speed Blu-ray drive. It's around 20% slower than the dvd drive installed in 360, so say hello to long ass loading times. Let's hope they can make use of the hard disk drive.

3. Controller - NO VIBRATION? WTF? That's a HUGE step backwards for me. I don't give a fuck about the fucking gyroscope, the guy playing Warhawk at the conference looked like an idiot, it'll haunt him for many years to come And yeah, it's nowhere near Nintendo's Wii, cause Wii's controller is a loooot more advanced - it knows exactly where the controller is located, how it's positioned - you get full control. Sony's got a simple motion sensor, just like the one in the GBC Kirby game a few years ago, it's a really poor cousin of Nintendo's idea. Well, actually IT IS Nintendo's idea, just an old one

4. Games:
- Gran Turismo HD - what was the point of showing this? So that people could see PS3 can generate HD signal? Guess what Sony, there's nothing revolutionary about it at this point
- Genji 2 - hack n slash game in feudal Japan, I think. Looked ok, nothing more. Tragic animation. Slow as hell, seemed to me they played it at 75% normal speed. Unreleasable at this point, unless they speed it up.
- Heavenly Sword - great looking God of War clone, I hate it when you can't move the camera, though.
- Resistance - FPP shooter, nice, but not shocking after you've seen Black. And Black is a PS2 game.
- Warhawk - thought it looked great until I realized there were literally three ships on the screen - the one player controls and two big enemy ships which weren't even moving. And a few clouds & an island in the background. Where are the hundreds ships simultaneously battling in the air like they promised?

The rest were rendered trailers, some of them trying to look like they were "gameplay movies" LOL
There were some glimpses of gameplay, but they were mixed with renders so it's hard to say. FFXIII kicked ass. Too bad I'm not psyched about japan rpgs. EA people bored me to death, Fuck EA

Hard disk with every console is a great idea, but we knew about it for some time now. Free online is great too, but I have a feeling they'll be charging for every piece of downloadable content, including additional levels for games - I think they mentioned it at the conference. MS also does it sometimes, but most of the time DLC is free.

Overall, I'm pretty dissapointed with the conference. People at the conference hall must have been too - Harrison had to constantly ask them for applause cause they were quiet all the time Seems to me Sony people don't have a clear vision of the console, they copied this, they copied that, only unique thing is blu-ray which you can't use to watch hd movies if you buy the cheaper sku. And a fucking gyroscope instead of vibration? WTF IS THIS? Do they really think more PS3 users will prefer the fucking gyroscope than the pad vibration? I hope it'll be possible to buy a standard controller. As far as games go, nothing groundbreaking so far.

And yes, I'm buying it. But I buy every console.

A small update: a friend just explained to me that if you buy the cheaper PS3, you won't be able to play neither hd movies NOR games in hd.

Also: no slots for memory cards, SDs or compact flash in the cheaper version. When you buy x360 core, you can upgrade it so that it's no different than premium. You buy core PS3 and you're stuck with it. Ridiculous.

[Digital Pimpin']

^^ They removed the vibration due to the lawsuit about Sony copying the Dual Shock controller from Immersion Technologies.

Begs the question; where's the 'Shock' in the new 'Dual Shock'?