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I already posted links to both videos. Neither explain a how falling right jab off the left foot could knock out a man who is known for taking pinches. The same man who got up like a boly of lightning at 10 and walked out of the ring with no complaints or injuries. It was fixed, plain and simple.
Quote from: Shallow on July 04, 2006, 07:24:41 PMI already posted links to both videos. Neither explain a how falling right jab off the left foot could knock out a man who is known for taking pinches. The same man who got up like a boly of lightning at 10 and walked out of the ring with no complaints or injuries. It was fixed, plain and simple.so who do you think is better, Ali or Tyson then. And did you see my post of Tyson knocking out Seldon. check the 5 minute
Quote from: Ðøšïå on July 03, 2006, 03:56:14 PMlooks like a dive to me but ali was still the best.I don't think we can ever really know who the best was. If that fight was fixed then any of the big fights by any top name fighter could be fixed. Now if you're asking who the best fighter for the sport was then Ali is certainly up there, along side Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and Mike Tyson. De La Hoya gets mentioned too.
looks like a dive to me but ali was still the best.
^ but isnt ali a hella devoted muslim? and in the muslim religion they cant keep any secerets that decieve other people or something like that. so i dont think he was in a fight that was set up.
i would rather be in the ring with tyson, because ali was fast so if i took off running ali would catch up but tyson wouldnt.
Everybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out.
Quote from: Bow Down To The King Of Kings on July 05, 2006, 06:59:50 AMEverybody ignoring George Foreman? Help me understand it, not one person has commented on it. You say Tyson because he was so bad, Foreman was badder and Ali knocked him out. Too much contraversey around the fight. Be it the supposed voodoo curse on Foreman, the uncharacteristic sluggish weak punches by him in the early part of the fight, the fact that Foreman immediately after said he wanted a rematch then said in '84 that he felt something wasn't right that night with his corner only to later say in the late 90s that he never asked for a rematch (Sports Illustrated has the quote) and that even today with his parkinsons Ali would be too tough to beat, or the account by Norman Mailer that Ali's corner loosed the ropes so the rope a dope would be more effective, an account that is disputed by odd claims that Dundee actually tightened the ropes with a knife; it's just too much of a weird fight for me to look at as legit. Why wouldn't the boxing commission push for a rematch? There was plenty of money to be made.Even with out all that contraversey and if it were legit, no one has ever said it was Ali's punching power that KOed Foreman. They all give claim to the rope a dope that tired out Foreman causing him to fall in exhaustion, and the purpose of your post was to highlight Ali's big punch. Let's say the rope a dope was a real and no shady business was present, Cus and Whitey would see through that juvenile rope a dope by round 2 and restrategize Tyson to sit and wait for Ali to come to him. It could never hve been the same fight. Tyson is like Frazier while Foreman beat Frazier and Ali beat Foreman, Frazier had also beaten Ali and of the three fights the one that Frazier had won was hte only clear cut victory. The second was a close 12 round decision that could have went either way (since Ali played a stick and back off match the whole way) and the Thrilla in Manilla was a throw in the towel by his corner when it was apparent Ali wasn't able to return for the final round. If they hadn't thrown in the towel many analysts and men in Ali's corner question whether Ali could have even started the last round.