Why LeBron Will NEVER Be Kobe...Cleveland is FINISHED.

[Chamillitary Click]

there is no difference between the regular season & the post season except for additional pressure; the Cavs ran the same scheme they ran to get 60 wins, but they didn't show up, missed shots & lost.

exactly..and lebron is known for folding under pressure, while kobe's known for steppin it up. point proven

one man can only do some much when the opposing team KNOWS that he is touching the ball, setting up the play & taking it himself on 90% of the possessions.

it's easy to play with All-Stars & take some pressure off yourself.

Hey Cham, I just want to point out that you defending Lebron sounds a lot like me defending a certain quarter back all these years. I agree with you by the way on Lebron. I'm just saying.

 

[Sccit]

so you're telling me the years Kobe didn't win, when he had no help, no Shaq, that you groupies didn't still call him the best player in the world?

you're logics are are fucked up; face it, you're just going to turn it which ever way you have to so Kobe looks like the best & LeBron looks like overrated trash.

LeBron doesn't show up once & his career is over.

those Kobe teams weren't expected to win it all...this LeBron team was a heavy favorite to go all the way. you see the difference?

So you're telling me that after the second straight Championship those Shaq Lakers weren't expected to win? And why are you so down on Shaq? The guy was far and away the best player in the league those three years and then some. Imagine the rings on Jordan's hands if he got to play in the 80s with Kareem then did what he did in the 90s?

Kobe may be the most valuable player in the league until James shows he can win it all, but at the very least even you have to admit that between Shaq was the most dominant big man in basketball and a worthy MVP. The difference between Kobe and Jordan was the only time Jordan got to play with another MVP caliber baller was at the Olympics or at night on the road when he was lonely and porn was available.

thats besides the point.. many argue that those Bulls team were much deeper and better than the Laker 3peat teams. regardless, Lakers did win after they won the 2nd straight, so what are you talking about?

The 90s Bulls teams were. The 80s Bulls teams had Jordan and me, and they still made huge runs. Imagine Jordan and Kareem in the 80s. The 90s Bulls look a lot more like the current Lakers; an all around deep team with one major star. The 3 peat Lakers were two major stars with one being the far and away best big man in the league those 3 years.

And I know they did win the third one. You said the Lakers teams that Kobe was on when he won his rings and you said it in plural weren't expected to win. When in truth they were expected to win it all the second Shaq was signed.

I meant when they lost

[Javier]

There is no such thing as clutch, players don't magically become better in the last minute or last quarter.  

That is honestly about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some players do get more nervous when a shot/series/play means more...they don't play as loose, becuase their is more pressure on them. Some players play better in those circumstances, because they become even looser when they have more to prove. The latter is far rarer than the former...and this applies to any profession (not just sports).

Of course of course it's the "dumbest" thing you've heard.  I mean that's why Alex Rodriguez was seen as the biggest choke job in the playoffs, yet somehow he magically produced the way he does in the regular season in the playoffs last year leading the Yankees to a World Series.  Did A-Rod get balls before the 2009 playoffs?  Did he get medication to play more loose?  Did he get laid right before a game?  ZOMG the possibilities!  The answer is, well he just happened to perform like his normal self in the playoffs.  This type of shit happens!  It's called streaks, sometimes they happen in the playoffs sometimes they happen in the regular season.

[Javier]

There is no such thing as clutch, players don't magically become better in the last minute or last quarter. 

That is honestly about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some players do get more nervous when a shot/series/play means more...they don't play as loose, becuase there is more pressure on them, resulting in lackluster performace. Some players play better in those circumstances, because the pressure causes them to bring even more intensity when they have more to prove. The latter is far rarer than the former...and this applies to any profession (not just sports).

i remember Tim Duncan hit a game winning or game tying three in the playoffs last year or maybe the year before; anybody can hit any shot at any given time lol.

Imagine if a player can turn it on when the game is the on the line, then wouldn't he turn it on before it got to the point where a clutch moment can happen? 

[Sccit]

skip bayless/van gundy and other people said the cavs are deeper then the lakers and are tougher and now that queen james loss he has no help...hahahah.....he just doesnt make teammates better when it counts..kobe does, ariza was huge n the playoffs, lamar made 50% of his 3's, pau made howard look like shawn bradley, and fisher hitting big shots

exactly, Ariza stepped it up; the players on the Cavs stepped down under pressure.

like 7even said, you're all biased as fuck; it's like trying to convince a Tupac groupie that there are better rappers than him lol.

so you're telling me the years Kobe didn't win, when he had no help, no Shaq, that you groupies didn't still call him the best player in the world?

you're logics are are fucked up; face it, you're just going to turn it which ever way you have to so Kobe looks like the best & LeBron looks like overrated trash.

LeBron doesn't show up once & his career is over.

those Kobe teams weren't expected to win it all...this LeBron team was a heavy favorite to go all the way. you see the difference?

neither was LeBron's team when he lost in the Finals vs. the Spurs & scored 29 of the Cavs final 30 points to beat the Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals; i guess everybody just forgot about that after they started making the Kobe comparisons LMFAO.

you Laker stans are so quick to just look at one game & say "see, how the fuck can you compare him to Kobe?", like Kobe has never had an off game.

LeBron was alone last year too & won 60 games; you can try to convince me Big Z is a top 10 center & stuff, but let's be real.

he's done some ridiculous shit & you bitch about other people "discrediting Kobe".

dont you get it, muthafucka? in the nba, nothing matters until you win a ring. that is what everyones playing for ....so until LeBron wins a ring, anything he does will seem like NOTHING in comparison ...to Laker fans, at least (who are used to being spoiled with championship caliber teams)

i guess i don't get it because you're so quick to knock down other players with rings; anything that will make Kobe look like the best player ever lol.

unless you admit Bill Russell is the greatest player ever, i can't listen to it lol.

people have no problem saying Karl Malone was one of the greats, but now LeBron can't win one (& his career is far from over) & you're ready to sign him off as some "average" player lol.

it's easily, by far, the most RETARDED logic i've ever heard to compare individual players & make the standards something that is 110% team related.

basically, going by your logic, i can just say, look at when they don't have major support, like Kobe those two Shaq-less/Pau-less years & how he couldn't do shit & LeBron's been running shit since '07 by himself.

LeBron James is better than D-Wade, Dirk is better than Pau & Kidd, CP3, Nash & Deron Williams are better than Tony Parker & Chauncey Billups; that's basically non-debatable; but rings don't come into play there, it's just common sense; but you don't care about that argument anyway, because it's unrelated to your boy & his legacy.

you Laker stans just jump on the ring bandwagon because it's your only valid argument to say "LeBron & Kobe shouldn't even be put in the same sentence"; it's alright, you need something, right?

first of all, I never said LeBron is an "average" player...As of now, he's a great player who doesn't have the killer instinct to win a championship as the leader of a team. That's all there is to it. You're giving examples of players who won championships not being as good as players who didn't...that's dandy and all, but you're naming SUPPORTING players, not team LEADERS. Huge difference.

[Sccit]

Argueing with elior about kobe and lebron is pointlesss why even bother.Dont you get that whatever benefits his arguement he switches to?When kobe loses its because his team let him down,when lebron loses its because he let his team down.Elior is a joke and his obsession with kobe is creepy.

if lebron had actually won something in his career, maybe then you'd actually sound like you know what you're talking about and not just like a nutrider more obsessed with my nuts than the topic actually being discussed.

LOL.Coming from the guy who would suck kobes dick if given the chance.your so biased you cant have a real arguement you just twist whatever makes kobe sounds better.

right...only in this instance, i have the upperhand, because Kobe actually is on the verge of possibly winning another champion, while LeBron's team just got knocked out in embarrasing fashion. Go do your NIK-dick-sucking in the Gspot, son.

[Jaydc]

So let me ask this elior,where was kobes killer instinct after shaq left and before pau gasol got to the team?

[Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It]

i understand you're use to NBA All-Stars coming off the bench

name the all stars that are coming off the bench for the lakers

you exaggerate the talent on this team to discredit kobe...kobe didnt have as much help as the other champions like shaq, jordan and magic

[Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It]

So let me ask this elior,where was kobes killer instinct after shaq left and before pau gasol got to the team?

they were rebuilding you fucking retard.....dont you know how sports work?

[Jaydc]

I realize this,but elior paints kobe as a godly basketball figure who is heads and toes above every other in the player in the league.Surely then this kobe god who makes all his teamates better and has this killer instinct it doesnt matter who he plays with because hes such a fearless leader who can make anybody look like an all star.

[Shallow]

so you're telling me the years Kobe didn't win, when he had no help, no Shaq, that you groupies didn't still call him the best player in the world?

you're logics are are fucked up; face it, you're just going to turn it which ever way you have to so Kobe looks like the best & LeBron looks like overrated trash.

LeBron doesn't show up once & his career is over.

those Kobe teams weren't expected to win it all...this LeBron team was a heavy favorite to go all the way. you see the difference?

So you're telling me that after the second straight Championship those Shaq Lakers weren't expected to win? And why are you so down on Shaq? The guy was far and away the best player in the league those three years and then some. Imagine the rings on Jordan's hands if he got to play in the 80s with Kareem then did what he did in the 90s?

Kobe may be the most valuable player in the league until James shows he can win it all, but at the very least even you have to admit that between Shaq was the most dominant big man in basketball and a worthy MVP. The difference between Kobe and Jordan was the only time Jordan got to play with another MVP caliber baller was at the Olympics or at night on the road when he was lonely and porn was available.

thats besides the point.. many argue that those Bulls team were much deeper and better than the Laker 3peat teams. regardless, Lakers did win after they won the 2nd straight, so what are you talking about?

The 90s Bulls teams were. The 80s Bulls teams had Jordan and me, and they still made huge runs. Imagine Jordan and Kareem in the 80s. The 90s Bulls look a lot more like the current Lakers; an all around deep team with one major star. The 3 peat Lakers were two major stars with one being the far and away best big man in the league those 3 years.

And I know they did win the third one. You said the Lakers teams that Kobe was on when he won his rings and you said it in plural weren't expected to win. When in truth they were expected to win it all the second Shaq was signed.

I meant when they lost

They weren't supposed to be at least championship contenders in 02/03? In 03/04 Kobe had Shaq, Malone, and Payton all with him and Kobe couldn't finish off the lowly Pistons.

All I know after watching tonight's game is a 1982-88 Larry Bird would have made Cleveland win. There I said it.

[Sccit]

There is no such thing as clutch, players don't magically become better in the last minute or last quarter.  

That is honestly about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some players do get more nervous when a shot/series/play means more...they don't play as loose, becuase their is more pressure on them. Some players play better in those circumstances, because they become even looser when they have more to prove. The latter is far rarer than the former...and this applies to any profession (not just sports).

Of course of course it's the "dumbest" thing you've heard.  I mean that's why Alex Rodriguez was seen as the biggest choke job in the playoffs, yet somehow he magically produced the way he does in the regular season in the playoffs last year leading the Yankees to a World Series.  Did A-Rod get balls before the 2009 playoffs?  Did he get medication to play more loose?  Did he get laid right before a game?  ZOMG the possibilities!  The answer is, well he just happened to perform like his normal self in the playoffs.  This type of shit happens!  It's called streaks, sometimes they happen in the playoffs sometimes they happen in the regular season.

To say there's no such thing as "clutch" is just dumb, man, and you gotta understand where i'm coming from. Of course, some players who usually fold under pressure might face the pressure calmly at some point. Or it could also be that there are some players who don't always fold under pressure..maybe it depends on the mood they're in as they're facing the pressure. But, really, there's no doubt about it, some players are clearly more prone to folding under pressure, while some are more prone to intensifying their game under that same pressure, and performing at higher levels when there's more at stake. It's really not debatable...PeACe

[U.N.T.O.U.C.H.A.B.L.E.]

I realize this,but elior paints kobe as a godly basketball figure who is heads and toes above every other in the player in the league.Surely then this kobe god who makes all his teamates better and has this killer instinct it doesnt matter who he plays with because hes such a fearless leader who can make anybody look like an all star.

you finally got the message   it is what it is homie...dont hate the player hate the game

[Jaydc]

So then why did it take kobe having to have shaq and pau gasol to win championships if hes the best player on the planet who is heads and toes above everyone?

[Sccit]

There is no such thing as clutch, players don't magically become better in the last minute or last quarter. 

That is honestly about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some players do get more nervous when a shot/series/play means more...they don't play as loose, becuase there is more pressure on them, resulting in lackluster performace. Some players play better in those circumstances, because the pressure causes them to bring even more intensity when they have more to prove. The latter is far rarer than the former...and this applies to any profession (not just sports).

i remember Tim Duncan hit a game winning or game tying three in the playoffs last year or maybe the year before; anybody can hit any shot at any given time lol.

Imagine if a player can turn it on when the game is the on the line, then wouldn't he turn it on before it got to the point where a clutch moment can happen? 

LOL...thats like saying "imagine if a girl could orgasm, then wouldn't she orgasm before it got to the point of climax so she could enjoy the sex just as much throughout the act?"



you're making no sense...certain players peak at different moments. some players play good when they're mad, some play bad. some players play good under pressure, some play worse...you're not taking human emotion into this.. we don't have robots out there playing for us LOL