Lets be real about 2pac for a minute

[3rd Coast]

i aint reading 8 pages but let me just say this straight up, pac was and is and will always be one of the greatest to ever step on the mic. These white kids jumping off walls over an eminem track just dunno, 2pac>>>>>>>>>>>eminem.

opinion..puttin emotions in it yea...

face n cube got pac

and i hate face...

[K.Dub]

I thought Tupac was a thug way before DR?

[blcxm]

I like how everybody always claims 2pac was the best westcoast rapper. But they forget he's from the eastcoast. He even used MC New York as a rapname.

[Tutlock]

If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.

so this is why they call you infant, you get emotional and can´t discuss the topic at hand but start stomping your e-feet and crying  . and stop talking about mommas couch since you´re the one who´s a spoiled little brat worshipping west coast rappers and keeping them as your role models .


this thread is good in exposing these wiggers who worship their lord and savior Tupac Amaru Shakur and still refuse to believe he was a normal human being doing a lot of dumb shit.

[bouli77]

I like how everybody always claims 2pac was the best westcoast rapper. But they forget he's from the eastcoast. He even used MC New York as a rapname.

true but during his professional career his delivery and style was more westcoast than eastcoast. he admitted that when he arrived in Marin City he had to switch from a lyrical/poetic type of rap to a more raw/gangsta perspective cause people were not feeling him. there are several "westcoast" mc's that were born in NYC... AMG, Shock G, Killa Tay just to name a few

plus Pac repped the west in his lyrics "to these punk police, they don't know me, you're fucking with a Oakland O.G., hey yo it's true I wasn't raised here, but rhyme pays so now a nigga stays here" (from The Gov's "Gaffled Like That" (feat. 2pac & Richie Rich))

but i couldn't care less, i'm a euro so i'm just interested in the music lol

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

I like how everybody always claims 2pac was the best westcoast rapper. But they forget he's from the eastcoast. He even used MC New York as a rapname.

true but during his professional career his delivery and style was more westcoast than eastcoast.

lol, no

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

i feel like the real issue here is if Dogg Pound called out Bone Thugs N Harmony on Dogg Pound Gangsta's.....

"Hoes in harmony..?"

[bouli77]

i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?

I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).

Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"

Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"

so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.

[bouli77]

i feel like the real issue here is if Dogg Pound called out Bone Thugs N Harmony on Dogg Pound Gangsta's.....

"Hoes in harmony..?"

yeah they did lol, and Bone Thugs answered on E. 1999 Eternal on both "shotz to the double glock" & "Mo Murder"

[Okka]

i feel like the real issue here is if Dogg Pound called out Bone Thugs N Harmony on Dogg Pound Gangsta's.....

"Hoes in harmony..?"

yeah they did lol, and Bone Thugs answered on E. 1999 Eternal on both "East 1999" & "Mo Murder"

"Shotz To Tha Double Glock" was a diss to Tha Dogg Pound. I didn't know that "East 99" and "Mo' Murder" were disses though.

[bouli77]

yeah my bad i meant Shotz To The Double Glock not East 1999. On "mo Murda" Krayzie talks about "finding these Row Hoez", i think he was especially talking about the pound.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?

I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).

Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"

Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"

so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.

1) What does it mean to have a westcoast style and delivery?

2) What does his musical influence have to do with the producers who made his beats? Whether most of his producers were from the west coast or not has nothing to do with his style or delivery.

3) You claim his first 4 albums were half westcoast/west coast without defining what either term means. I don't know what a "west coast type of flow/topic matter" is, nor do I hear that in the song Trapped or I Don't Give a Fuck. For sure he sounds nothing like Snoop or Dre.

4) His crew Thug Life definitely wasn't 100% "west coast". Mopreme for one was from New York, like Pac himself. Regardless what would the origin of his associates have to do with Pac himself? Also I don't hear these "typical west coast gangsta songs"

5) Me Against the World was half west coast? I don't hear it, you'll have to explain further.

6) Since when do talking about death, reincarnation or making uplifting tracks say anything about which coast a rapper's music is like?

In conclusion you've yet to come up with anything that would show his style and delivery were considered "west coast", much less even define what that would mean.

[LooN3y]

Man you guys talk about the real, the fake. how long are your homies or relavtives gonna mourn for you, after your dead or locked up, they think about you but your in the bpast.


Tupac was an artist, a poet, an entrepreneur. dude was hip hop, not only the west coast

[Will_B]

Lol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?

You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

Lol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?

You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.

lol, it's a "forum", einstein - what do u expect?