So Tupac was right all along about the 1994 shooting?

[Blood$]

2Pac is my favorite artist, period.

but what 3rd Coast just said is pure truth

[DeeezNuuuts83]

It's just difficult because Pac moved around a lot and never really had a place that he always claimed as home.  Born in NY, moved to Baltimore, then to the Bay Area, then to NY again for a bit then eventually in LA.  It's hard to find some loyal people when you're always bouncing around like that, regardless of why.  For someone like Snoop, Long Beach will always be his home, just like for someone like Suge, Compton will always be his home.  And they both have homies back there who will have their back.  Pac didn't exactly have that in any of those cities due to him always moving around throughout his life, outside of his family and someone like Big Syke or the Outlawz.  It's like he was always the new kid in school.

[3rd Coast]

It's just difficult because Pac moved around a lot and never really had a place that he always claimed as home.  Born in NY, moved to Baltimore, then to the Bay Area, then to NY again for a bit then eventually in LA.  It's hard to find some loyal people when you're always bouncing around like that, regardless of why.  For someone like Snoop, Long Beach will always be his home, just like for someone like Suge, Compton will always be his home.  And they both have homies back there who will have their back.  Pac didn't exactly have that in any of those cities due to him always moving around throughout his life, outside of his family and someone like Big Syke or the Outlawz.  It's like he was always the new kid in school.

breh, i fuck with pac, everything you said was truth, bout the moving, but pac had niggas on his side that was trustworthy and stand up people

bay he had the marin city cats, pac was cocky in the beginning like all new yorkers are, but he humbled himself, shock g nem took him in, richie rich, e-40 and spice. especially spice, menace 2 society, spice was there, why did pac trip and spice didnt?

east coast, he had biggie and he had treach, treach was the east coast spice 1 to pac, when came to industry niggas, because if u listen to when both of speak on pac its deeper than most people.

everybody that has ever spoke on pac, said he changed after juice.  Hell he could have moved to houston, face took him in down there

Pac talked like he was a leader, but his actions showed he was nothing more than a follower.

niggas talked him into a situation to where he caught a rap charge

niggas talked him into a situation that lead to somebody else telling him to leave his vest, that lead to him gettin killed.

remember this

[In 1992 at the ‘Truce Picnic’ in Cali, Tupac was instrumental in getting rival members of the Crips and Bloods to sign the Code Of THUG LIFE.
 
He and Mutulu Shakur had helped write up the ‘code’ , with help from other ‘og’s’.
 
The Code of THUG LIFE is listed here.It details do’s and don’ts for being a righteous thug and banger.
 
Code OF THUG LIFE:
 1.All new Jacks to the game must know: a) He’s going to get rich. b) He’s going to jail. c) He’s going to die.
 2.Crew Leaders: You are responsible for legal/financial payment commitments to crew members; your word must be your bond.
 3.One crew’s rat is every crew’s rat. Rats are now like a disease; sooner or later we all get it; and they should too.
 4.Crew leader and posse should select a diplomat, and should work ways to settle disputes. In unity, there is strength!
 5.Car jacking in our Hood is against the Code.
 6.Slinging to children is against the Code.
 7.Having children slinging is against the Code.
 8.No slinging in schools.
 9.Since the rat Nicky Barnes opened his mouth; ratting has become accepted by some. We’re not having it.
 10.Snitches is outta here.
 11.The Boys in Blue don’t run nothing; we do. Control the Hood, and make it safe for squares.
 12.No slinging to pregnant Sisters. That’s baby killing; that’s genocide!
 13.Know your target, who’s the real enemy.
 14.Civilians are not a target and should be spared.
 15.Harm to children will not be forgiven.
 16.Attacking someone’s home where their family is known to reside, must be altered or checked.
 17.Senseless brutality and rape must stop.
 18.Our old folks must not be abused.
 19.Respect our Sisters. Respect our Brothers.
 20.Sisters in the Life must be respected if they respect themselves.
 21.Military disputes concerning business areas within the community must be handled professionally and not on the block.
 22.No shooting at parties.
 23.Concerts and parties are neutral territories; no shooting!
 24.Know the Code; it’s for everyone.
 25.Be a real ruff neck. Be down with the code of the Thug Life.
 26.Protect yourself at all times..
 



http://mutulushakur.com/site/1992/08/code-of-thug-life/
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pac broke half of the code
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[Hack Wilson - real]

what did pac run from in the bay?  ryan d?  lmao   that's just inconsistent as hell.


pac didn't even "run from" NY, he had the balls to see Nas there in his own city.

[3rd Coast]

what did pac run from in the bay?  ryan d?  lmao   that's just inconsistent as hell.


pac didn't even "run from" NY, he had the balls to see Nas there in his own city.

when lil qa'id got killed from a gun that was registered to pac, niggas was ready to kill pac, it was a lil riot, same police pac was dissin on wax, saved his ass from gettin killed. multiple documentaries about pac has stated it got bad for pac, in marin city, his own potnas said it was like 3-5 yrs before they even saw him again,just from that incident


Breh u do know pac met nas twice, 1nce in vegas at the house of blues, pac caught nas out of pocket and pac was deep then and nas was by himself


and he hugged nas, and told em he was strictly goin at bad boy,

pac bein out of touch with the beefs in new york, heard the message from it was written, and thought it was about him, when nas n biggie was goin back n forth sublimnally since pac got out of jail, pac jumped the gun again and started dissin nas

pac met nas with over 100 jersey cats and a bunch of death row niggas, nas showed up with  some cats  fuck what snoop was talkin bout, he lie so much he sleep standin up, in fatals story he never mention snoop not 1nce.

fatal said pac was more mad the niggas fatal had than he was at nas, because pac couldnt get a word in, and it pissed pac off, they eventually chop it up alone, and that was that. and pac had planned on taking all nas disses off his albums, and nas was suppose to fly out to the west and fuck with pac, but jimmy iovine and steve stoute called nas and told em, pac had just got shot n might not make it.

wasnt no checkin or runnin up, nas didnt run or nothing,

remember pac said u aint shit without ya homeboys, everytime death row came to new york they came deep u got a entourage 200deep of course u gone have balls

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

I remember a lot of people on the internet used to think that Pac was a bit crazy and delusional in accusing Biggie/Puffy of setting him up in 1994. But it seems that he was right all along: I was just reading up on Pac news from the last few years and noticed that this dude Dexter Isaacs confessed to shooting Pac in 94, in a letter where he implies that Puff was involved and he calls Biggie his friend. Can there really be any doubt, then, that Pac was justified in riding on Biggie?

Here's the link: http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blog/show?id=784568%3ABlogPost%3A25660551&commentId=784568%3AComment%3A25670863&xg_source=activity

The best that could be said for Biggie and Puffy is that they might not have ordered the hit. But they knew the guys who did it, that much is certain. As Pac said in interviews, Biggie should have at least let Pac know who robbed him. And if you're the king of New York, you should know about a crime taking place in the building you're recording at.

So, after all this time, the truth is out, Pac was justified as a motherfucker in riding on Biggie and Bad Boy. And these bitch ass niggas are going to be dissed for centuries, as long as Pac's music is played.

Nice thread...  will comment later

[PhunkyDoob]

Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.

Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.

They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.

Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.

Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.

What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.

[Black Excellence]

Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.

Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.

They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.

Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.

Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.

What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.

truth.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Kanye?  Seriously?  Not quite a good analogy.  Kanye throws tantrums about not winning MTV awards (even though at the time he had a comfortable eight-figure fortune) and was stealing the mic and jacking the stage from a little white girl country singer while thinking he's the savior of music.

[Blood$]

Kanye?  Seriously?  Not quite a good analogy.

[mastdark81]

Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.

Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.

They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.

Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.

Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.

What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.

On some real shit fuck them lame niggaz who you think are "heavy" in the game.  Cause at the end of the day they all turn out to be snitches (Haitian Jack, Rosemond).  To me if you are not trying to give back to your community you really ain't shit to me.  Niggaz profiting off poisoning the hoods and flash a few jewels and niggaz always trying to put them on a pedastal.  Thats that young shit.  Truth be told, I don't think anyone in this thread knew 2pac to label him whatever but he definitely had the mindset to be much more positive at the end of the day to our people then the average person out here in the streets and I think people respect 2pac for that, his knowledge not because they think he's a "gangsta".  He died young and had the POTENTIAL to be revolutionary and thats all you can ask for in a person.  Who know's if he would have ever got into politics or died another death.

The positives about him where also reason for his demise.  As usually it always is.   He was always willing to put it on the line for the next nigga and seemed stand up in the actions that I've heard of.  One thing I didn't like was him pulling Biggie into the situation and using that thang for leverage to sell records....now that was some HOE shit. 

Nas let a bitch run him (Kelis) and everybody I ever heard challenge the lil nigga so it wouldn't surprise me if 2pac did punk him.  That shit don't even matter though.

Comparing 2pac to Kanye is crazy!  For one when 2pac died niggaz was still fucking with him and the only peeps that were tired of his antics were alot of weak ass New York rappers cause he was dissing them niggaz and they was never replying.   Biggie dissed him after he died on some HOE shit but didn't say nothing while he was living.

At the end of the day 2pac had a lil bit of everything in him but the fact that everybody still keeping his name alive good or bad HE made an impact on society...this all with being raised with NO FATHER and a mama who was on crack at a portion on his life. 

[DeeezNuuuts83]

For one when 2pac died niggaz was still fucking with him and the only peeps that were tired of his antics were alot of weak ass New York rappers cause he was dissing them niggaz and they was never replying.   Biggie dissed him after he died on some HOE shit but didn't say nothing while he was living.

I'd say out of everyone Pac dissed, Jay-Z kept it the most real though.  Not saying he was the most thorough, but he was a man about it and didn't throw any disses at Pac, unlike a lot of the others (as I don't really count that one line he said in I Love the Dough about "Watching Tyson/ Same night, same fight/ But one of us cats ain't playing right").

[PhunkyDoob]

Lol @ this thread, like it's some news. This been known since forever, 2pac knew it himself. Smh @ some of you clueless "live-by-entertainment" cats. They robbed him cuz THEY bought his shit. The problem
was that he tried to reach for his gun & then either it popped & they got him, or either or. They was gonna rob him. We're not talking "take-your-shirt-off-with-millions-of-tattoos-screaming-gangsta" here, we talking about real cats who move heavy.

Again, 2pac was never a thug or a gangsta. Period. They used to call him out for that at that time too. After he died it became different, in you people's eyes.

They used to sport the shit they took from 2pac in Brooklyn & all that all the time. Everybody knew. Biggie did warn him, but 2pac didnt listen.

Lol @ "running up on Nas" like that means something. Nas is a rapper. If he really wanted them they'd get him. Stop listening to stories. You niggas really think it was a full blown out war & Death Row were just walking like that? It was neither. Same when Biggie came out to LA.

Another gem, the reason Nas, 2pac & Biggie met is really because of the same people that eventually robbed him..which is also why he immediately thought Nas dissed him after his issues with those cats. This is real life. Like his music, but 2pac was an entertainer, nothing more nothing less. Not a revolutionary (came after he died for some reason with the mix of his family background, so that would make Kanye revolutionary too then no?) & nothing more.

What's funny is when 2pac was alive he was basically today's Kanye West..people was so tired of his "antics", news stories & callled him everything from "attention whore", to fake, to sell-out (for going from Brenda's Got A Baby (black conciousness was IN at that time too dont forget!) to gangsta shit, following Death Row) to dumb & all that back then too. Different when you die tho, in guys from Europe, Africa, Middle East eyes after the media coverage post death.

On some real shit fuck them lame niggaz who you think are "heavy" in the game.  Cause at the end of the day they all turn out to be snitches (Haitian Jack, Rosemond).  To me if you are not trying to give back to your community you really ain't shit to me.  Niggaz profiting off poisoning the hoods and flash a few jewels and niggaz always trying to put them on a pedastal.  Thats that young shit.  Truth be told, I don't think anyone in this thread knew 2pac to label him whatever but he definitely had the mindset to be much more positive at the end of the day to our people then the average person out here in the streets and I think people respect 2pac for that, his knowledge not because they think he's a "gangsta".  He died young and had the POTENTIAL to be revolutionary and thats all you can ask for in a person.  Who know's if he would have ever got into politics or died another death.

The positives about him where also reason for his demise.  As usually it always is.   He was always willing to put it on the line for the next nigga and seemed stand up in the actions that I've heard of.  One thing I didn't like was him pulling Biggie into the situation and using that thang for leverage to sell records....now that was some HOE shit.  

Nas let a bitch run him (Kelis) and everybody I ever heard challenge the lil nigga so it wouldn't surprise me if 2pac did punk him.  That shit don't even matter though.

Comparing 2pac to Kanye is crazy!  For one when 2pac died niggaz was still fucking with him and the only peeps that were tired of his antics were alot of weak ass New York rappers cause he was dissing them niggaz and they was never replying.   Biggie dissed him after he died on some HOE shit but didn't say nothing while he was living.

At the end of the day 2pac had a lil bit of everything in him but the fact that everybody still keeping his name alive good or bad HE made an impact on society...this all with being raised with NO FATHER and a mama who was on crack at a portion on his life.  

Yada yada yada..you sound so delusional with the shit you're saying though. Clearly you're seeing what you wanna see. So the only people tired of his antics were "weak ass NY"? And again, you clearly missed my point about the Kanye comparison. And you call yourself a rap fan but cant even take things in context? lmao, okay buddy.

Listen, im not spending my time reading your post trying to justify or make excuses just cuz you believe what you believe. 2pac is a myth nowadays. 2pac is a religion. Even if you tell people the truth or give them facts they still gonna believe what they gonna believe cuz thats the only thing youve seen or know. I never glorified that lifestyle nor does it impress me, but cats cant be out here screaming like 2pac was a thug or the lifestyle they think he lived & glorify & immate it then cry foul when criminal things happened to him by actual real life criminals. Snitches this, snitches that - my point was that they were heavy in the game compared to 2pac & that's a fact, Jack especially compared to Henchman. 2pac was NOT "a little bit of everything", 2pac was a smart dude who grew up like many people, especially minorities, in the world. Alot of pain, alot of suffering but he was never a thug.

That's my point. 2pac was an entertainer, period point plank. Not a revolutionary or anything. Im black & im saying this. Im sure he was a good hearted dude, but you can say the same about everybody else yet you guys are quick to judge & do the same things to artists nowadays that they used to do to 2pac or anybody else when they were alive. Keep it music.

[PhunkyDoob]

Kanye?  Seriously?  Not quite a good analogy.  Kanye throws tantrums about not winning MTV awards (even though at the time he had a comfortable eight-figure fortune) and was stealing the mic and jacking the stage from a little white girl country singer while thinking he's the savior of music.

No matter what you say people get emotional before they get the point.

Did i compare their situation?

I meant in terms of the backlash they got for media attention. What do you mean? The backlash for 2pac was WORSE cuz he was in  FIGHTS, ACCUSED of rape and all that..fuck you mean? They shitted on 2pac every week! That doesnt make 2pac "better" just cuz he was in the media for worse shit nor does it make him more "revolutionary". My point was that he wasnt this "beloved" figure he came after. My other point was that Kanye comes from a Panther lineage too.

Stop getting so damn emotional and get the context.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

No one's getting emotional.  But saying Pac then was like Kanye today is some cornball shit.  Again, it was a terrible analogy that wasn't applicable at all.  Like I said, Kanye was just being an attention whore because he wants recognition, since to him, tens of millions of dollars isn't enough... he needs a plastic trophy from a TV channel to solidify his status.  That's what women do.  They can spend days at the gym to be fit, be in a nice dress and have their hair and makeup all perfect, but unless they hear it from someone else that they look pretty, they're going to start crying and be mad.  That's Kanye.

No excuses -- Pac was wrong to target Biggie the way he did (though like I said, he changed his stance and stopped dissing Biggie but stayed on Puff and then talked about the street figures involved in his shooting), but it was just to bring attention to his cause (as Biggie still did have SOME connection with the incident since he was there -- it's not like Pac was dissing Heavy D or someone random with nothing to do with his predicament), and not because he was sad about not being on top of the rap game... though of course it resulted in a lot of media attention that without a doubt helped fuel sales.  But really, how is it any different from any other hip-hop beef/battle?  You could say that Nas used Jay-Z to jump start his career and sell Stillmatic with that buzz.  But again, neither of them saw each other in the streets over that supposed beef, especially when Jigga was on Hot 97 basically crying because Ether was such a hard ass diss ("Did I deserve that?") and saying how Nas broke some rules of the street or whatever by telling Jigga to suck his dick... crying ass mothafuckas, mad because they got one-upped.

If anything, maybe you could've said Pac then was like 50 Cent when he was on his dissing shit... from dissing all the industry heads in How to Rob, to dissing Ja Rule and Murder Inc. all over GRODT (even though they weren't directly involved in him getting shot, though there were some associations with the people involved), to dissing Lil Wayne, frankly because Lil Wayne had taken over around that time (though he was right about Lil Wayne being a clown).  50 didn't really have beef with any of them, none of them were his actual shooters, yet he profited from it and propelled himself into the limelight.  VERY similar situation, more so than fuckin Kanye.  Fuck outta here with that haha.