Please Convince Me That Daz Dillinger is a Good Producer (THETRUTHUG)

[Hancock]

Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.


That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.

To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.


After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.

I like your argument about Daz has his own group of producers and everything and you can compare this situation to Dr. Dre.

Dr. Dre left Deathrow and worked with others and did his sound change? Yes, it certainly did, but when you hear a Dr. Dre production, you know it's Dr. Dre because he has a signature sound. He is sonically above anyone in rap, period. He has an identity. Now, could you say the same about Daz? I just can't admit it because it wouldn't be a fact. It's not true.

I never said Daz is fake. I said he gets too much credit for his past work on Deathrow and I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Daz can't claim Dr. Dre took all of the credit for the Chronic and Doggstyle and then claim he did the work on AEOM. That is not resounding with me. It makes no sense. It sounds hypocritical to me.  

I also said he's overrated. I sound like a retarded echo repeating my stance here. I have no problems with Daz. Putting words in my cyber mouth again...Him not producing the sound he had on AEOM since 1996 is a legitimate argument. If he's so great like THETRUTHUG and others have said for years then my argument is legitimate and it's not idiotic.

[bouli77]

sounds like an angry dj quik fan, chill out, it's only music.

soopafly confirmed on this very board that he & daz produced I ain't mad at cha. i believe that most of the greatness associated with daz's productions comes from his co-producers and musicians : soopafly, mike dean, etc. imo daz makes the basic drum loop / structure. still we don't know for sure, it's only educated guesses. and daz has a nice catalogue. so we know for sure that daz has a catalogue of classic songs, but we don't know his involvement.

Oh please and don't tell me to chill out. I will rip your ass to shreds. Don't even go there.

Anyway, I am not a DJ Quik stan. I listen to all regions of hip hop, which is why my OP mentions east coast rappers. I found what THETRUTHUG said in his thread to be absolutely ludicrous. He must have been high on something.

I don't hate Daz. I like some of Daz's solo stuff and I love Dogg Food and many of DPG's songs. Did I ever say I didn't like Daz? I said he was OVERRATED. I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Don't put words in my cyber mouth, boy. Daz is a good producer, not great, but good. There are many producers that are better than him. and DJ Quik is far and away better. DJ Quik is in this conversation because of that ridiculous thread about DJ Quik not being a genius and then it is mentioned Daz is the greatest rapper/producer ever and that rubbed me the wrong way. It's just not true. It's straight trolling.

well you seem to have gotten your feathers ruffled by the fact that some people may have a different opinion than yours, hence my saying chill out. your threatening me to rip my ass to shreds (terrifying threat btw) seems to validate my advice. you said it yourself, an internet thread rubbed you the wrong way.

I didn't say you hated Daz, if anything, you're the one putting words in my mouth, boy. If you read my post, I'm more or less agreeing with you, I just think it's a bit sad to catch feelings over different opinions when it's the fundamental basis of a forum.

the person who said Daz was the greatest rapper/producer ever was I believe indeed trolling. Infinite is a master at the art of trolling, those who've been on the forum long enough know this.

[bouli77]

Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.


That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.

To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.


After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.

I like your argument about Daz has his own group of producers and everything and you can compare this situation to Dr. Dre.

Dr. Dre left Deathrow and worked with others and did his sound change? Yes, it certainly did, but when you hear a Dr. Dre production, you know it's Dr. Dre because he has a signature sound. He is sonically above anyone in rap, period. He has an identity. Now, could you say the same about Daz? I just can't admit it because it wouldn't be a fact. It's not true.

I never said Daz is fake. I said he gets too much credit for his past work on Deathrow and I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Daz can't claim Dr. Dre took all of the credit for the Chronic and Doggstyle and then claim he did the work on AEOM. That is not resounding with me. It makes no sense. It sounds hypocritical to me.  

I also said he's overrated. I sound like a retarded echo repeating my stance here. I have no problems with Daz. Putting words in my cyber mouth again...Him not producing the sound he had on AEOM since 1996 is a legitimate argument. If he's so great like THETRUTHUG and others have said for years then my argument is legitimate and it's not idiotic.

that we can agree on : daz is overrated and has a reputation as a producer he doesn't deserve (he's still a pioneer/legend though). i'm still a fan though. however, there's a lot of music he produced after AEOM that I liked better (his AEOM beats are really not my favorite beats of his), but that's just a matter of taste, I guess.

[Will_B]

Daz's Death Row sound was his version of the house style.


That means a of team people including Daz himself, made up of producers, musicians, writers, singers, arrangers, mixers and engineers (and anyone else with an idea) came up with and established a Death Row sound, then Daz got a shot at moving them towards his idea of what they should make, and created his own version of the style.

To say Daz couldn't have done it without them is true. To ask why he hasn't made a track like it since leaving Death Row, like it will somehow prove he's a fake is just idiotic.


After Daz went independent all he really had to cook up a new sound with was Soopafly (later came Mike Dean, then Ivan Johnson etc) and his sound changed each time.

I like your argument about Daz has his own group of producers and everything and you can compare this situation to Dr. Dre.

Dr. Dre left Deathrow and worked with others and did his sound change? Yes, it certainly did, but when you hear a Dr. Dre production, you know it's Dr. Dre because he has a signature sound. He is sonically above anyone in rap, period. He has an identity. Now, could you say the same about Daz? I just can't admit it because it wouldn't be a fact. It's not true.

I never said Daz is fake. I said he gets too much credit for his past work on Deathrow and I said he has a reputation he doesn't deserve. Daz can't claim Dr. Dre took all of the credit for the Chronic and Doggstyle and then claim he did the work on AEOM. That is not resounding with me. It makes no sense. It sounds hypocritical to me.  

I also said he's overrated. I sound like a retarded echo repeating my stance here. I have no problems with Daz. Putting words in my cyber mouth again...Him not producing the sound he had on AEOM since 1996 is a legitimate argument. If he's so great like THETRUTHUG and others have said for years then my argument is legitimate and it's not idiotic.

My arguments not directly with you or true thug.


Just illustrating how a label sound is built (with progression of projects, outside trends, changes in equipment/studio facilities, and the chemistry and shared mindset of the players involved) and developed (over time) and how anyone with the right attitude can graduate to a be pilot of that sound and create something of their own.

Remember the Death Row sound was in part an evolution of Dre's earlier sound. Just like the early Aftermath sound was another evolution for Dre, but with a new set of musicians and $$$ studio facilities (something Daz could never do when he left Death Row).

Going back to the AEOM sessions, I believe the musical style changed yet again in line Pac's established sound, and Daz using more of Johnny J's team. And working within the albums overall sound which would develop throughout the sessions.

[Soopafly DPGC]

I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...

Now, where am I going? Listen, I like some of Daz's work, but you have to be out of your fucking mind if you think this guy produced Ambitonz az a Ridah, I Ain't Mad at Cha, etc.

There's no evidence so far in the past that I have seen that says Daz produced the classic songs on Deathrow especially the 2Pac songs. I Ain't Mad at Cha is beautifully constructed and it sounds like something DJ Quik would have done, not fucking Daz. I am not buying it. Show me some physical evidence or some interviews of Daz. Shit, even Daz can speak for himself. I know he posts on this forum from time to time. Daz has a false reputation since forever. He is overrated as fuck. Kurupt has always been a better rapper. Kurupt produced Tattoo Tearz (OG) for 2Pac and that beat is insane. Has Daz done anything like this??

lmfao, get the fuck outta here!

Thing is, to have this sort of debate, you have to believe that any song that has Daz's name in the liner notes as a producer means that he actually produced that song.  If your argument is "he never produced any good songs, and the good songs that he did supposedly produce were not really him"...that's not much of an argument.  You can't have it both ways.  If you believe Daz stole credit for other producer's work, then you must also believe that Daz got some of his work stolen by Dre for the Chronic and Doggystyle, etc. 

Basically you've set it up so there's no way you can lose the argument.  If people rebuke your stance with examples of great songs that Daz produced, you will just say "i don't believe he actually produced it", thus, there's no way to win the argument.  If you are going to take the stance that all sorts of producers at Death Row stole production work from all different sorts of producers and never gave them proper credit (J.Flexx, Sam Sneed, Soopafly, etc.) then the argument is a moot point because none of us were there so nobody knows for sure.

I would think for the sake of this debate, any liner notes that has Daz's name on it as a producer means he produced the song (for this discussion only).  And i know Soopafly helped Daz with a bunch of songs and he never got credit, but there's no way to know for sure which songs those were and to what extent he helped him.

[doublee313]

I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...

Now, where am I going? Listen, I like some of Daz's work, but you have to be out of your fucking mind if you think this guy produced Ambitonz az a Ridah, I Ain't Mad at Cha, etc.

There's no evidence so far in the past that I have seen that says Daz produced the classic songs on Deathrow especially the 2Pac songs. I Ain't Mad at Cha is beautifully constructed and it sounds like something DJ Quik would have done, not fucking Daz. I am not buying it. Show me some physical evidence or some interviews of Daz. Shit, even Daz can speak for himself. I know he posts on this forum from time to time. Daz has a false reputation since forever. He is overrated as fuck. Kurupt has always been a better rapper. Kurupt produced Tattoo Tearz (OG) for 2Pac and that beat is insane. Has Daz done anything like this??

lmfao, get the fuck outta here!

Thing is, to have this sort of debate, you have to believe that any song that has Daz's name in the liner notes as a producer means that he actually produced that song.  If your argument is "he never produced any good songs, and the good songs that he did supposedly produce were not really him"...that's not much of an argument.  You can't have it both ways.  If you believe Daz stole credit for other producer's work, then you must also believe that Daz got some of his work stolen by Dre for the Chronic and Doggystyle, etc. 

Basically you've set it up so there's no way you can lose the argument.  If people rebuke your stance with examples of great songs that Daz produced, you will just say "i don't believe he actually produced it", thus, there's no way to win the argument.  If you are going to take the stance that all sorts of producers at Death Row stole production work from all different sorts of producers and never gave them proper credit (J.Flexx, Sam Sneed, Soopafly, etc.) then the argument is a moot point because none of us were there so nobody knows for sure.

I would think for the sake of this debate, any liner notes that has Daz's name on it as a producer means he produced the song (for this discussion only).  And i know Soopafly helped Daz with a bunch of songs and he never got credit, but there's no way to know for sure which songs those were and to what extent he helped him.

It's been said by Snoop and others that Daz would lay out the foundation of the beat.  Then the others took it and made it into a solid beat.  Daz lacks final production.  Just listen to his albums now.  So, he has talent, but needs someone to put the finishing touches on his shit.  It's very obvious when you compare his new shit vs. someone else cleaning the shit up.

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^^^^ ALOT of beat-makerz have that problem.




Daz's real problem is that he doesn't generate enuff interest

[Sikotic™]

Daz was only good when Dre was polishing his turds.

[MOBNigga06]

I don't believe for one second that Daz produced any of 2Pac's work on All Eyez on Me. I have never thought he did the work. Daz complained that he didn't get credit for the Chronic or Doggystyle, which I don't believe he did any work on those albums either...

Do you remember the thread I made about this topic? I still think my point seems basically correct. It defies credibility to assign five of the greatest beats from the 90s to a producer who went on to produce nothing even remotely as good. It's like one of the engineers said in an interview: Daz turned on the machine and dropped the bassline, the entire rest of the beat is by other people.

Nobody's talent declines so sharply. Either Daz acquired a mental illness or he didn't really produce the AEOM beats.

No, I don't remember your thread. Could you give me the link to it, please?

I agree with you 100% about Daz. Either he has production amnesia or he never made those AEOM beats. Something isn't right about this shit. I am sure you, me and others know this too.

Here you go, homie, peep this link: http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=305312.0

You will see that I made a pretty strong case for the AEOM beats not being Daz Dillinger beats. Many people agreed with me, but Daz himself came into the thread and claimed the beats were entirely made by him, lol.

[GangstaBoogy]

I must admit it is ironic that Daz's production on All Eyez On Me was better than everything he produced before and after it. I'm guessing Quik tweaked the shit out of some of those songs.

Not saying Daz hasn't produced some great shit but he's usually just a dope drum programmer.

[Hancock]

MobNigga06, thanks for the link to your thread!

I apologize to the poster that I got into a fight with. I am sorry. Shit like this fires me up because I know it's trolling, but it got to me for some strange reason. I won't flame anyone anymore. I will be a man about this.

Now, Soopafly DPG, no, that's not my argument whatsoever. I don't know why you said if someone showed me proof Daz did the AEOM beats then I would write it off as bullshit is not what I am going to do.

I decided to bang Retaliation, Revenge and Get Back last night. It was a good album. I liked 8 songs out of 16. I haven't head the album since 1999, so I was disappointed that it didn't have that classic feel to it. Funny how I was listening to DJ Quik's whole discography 2 weekends ago and his first 4 albums have the classic feel.

I'm not trying to discredit Daz. If he did the beats on AEOM then show some proof like interviews or something. Saying "oh, Daz's name is on the credits, so he made the production" isn't proof. Many people on here have said Dogg Food sounds like Dr. Dre beats and I agree. You know Deathrow credit was shady back in the day.

Oh yeah, you will come back and say how do I know Dre made the production he made? Listen to the NWA albums, D.O.C.'s debut, etc. It's his sound at the time. The production on RRG is not spectacular to me.

I will look at the thread MOBNigga06 gave me.

Merry Christmas to everyone!

[Hancock]

For those saying I am hating on Daz, I just got through hearing Dogg Food and Daz's production on Nate Dog's G-Funk Classics, and the beats are bananas. Dogg Food is a 5 star album and still sounds amazing til this day. I've never heard Nate Dogg's first album, so this was new to me. I did hear Nobody Does it Better before, which was my favorite song in middle school, but never heard his first album. It's nice shit.

[b.laden]

a lot of bullshit in this thread ...

[THETRUTHUG]

Lol. Take it easy buddy

Go and read rhe thread again. I did not say anything about daz ..

[MOBNigga06]

Lol. Take it easy buddy

Go and read rhe thread again. I did not say anything about daz ..

Yeah, he confused you with Infinite, Daz's biggest fan and defender on this forum. But the mistake is understandable, cuz you were trying to deprive a genius of the title of genius...lol. I ain't mad at cha.