John Wayne is no hero, Flava Flav was right

[Shallow]

If you really think that no innocent people had to die in all those battles Muhammed and his army were in then you are dilusional.

When did I say that?  I never said that.  Read my statement again.  I said that I didn't know of any innocent people that were killed by Muhammad (pbuh) when he fought to reclaim Mekkah.  I didn't say that there weren't any innocent people who died in war.  I just said that I didn't know of any.

Your obviously just trying to pick a fight.  Your the one that is delusional, you want to hate me, and you want to dislike me so bad, because if what I say has truth, then the implications of that would be vast, and if you are forced to think too long and too hard, then you may even be forced to act[/i], and maybe even change[/i], and the devil has made you fear that.

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I mistook your statement. When you said you didn't know of any, I thought you were implying that they didn't exist. It's figure of speech people often use. I don't care to further any moere of this religious argument because it will only lead to my reasons for not accepting Islam as an adavancement of Christianty, and I don't want to offend any Muslims for being Muslim.

[Trauma-san]

another funny thing about infinite is he never has an original idea himself... he always reads or hears something....then reports straight to dubcc to preach "his" new opinion

Yes.  It would have taken me 6 paragraphs to say what you just said in one fucked up sentence.  That's the worst of it, you're not talking to Infinite.  You're talking to a weak, weak little white boy, who hates everything he was born into, and has made seriously BAD choices in his life, till he's in a point today where he's a little puppet, gulliable and impressionable to a fault.  You're looking at the type of guy who would fly a plane into a building. 

[Trauma-san]

Oh! ...and by the way, John Wayne was the shit! My favorite movie of his was that one where he was an air force pilot, got drunk, and actually crashed a plane into the swimming pool at some party.  Pretty funny. 

[Doggystylin]

another funny thing about infinite is he never has an original idea himself... he always reads or hears something....then reports straight to dubcc to preach "his" new opinion

Yes.  It would have taken me 6 paragraphs to say what you just said in one fucked up sentence.  That's the worst of it, you're not talking to Infinite.  You're talking to a weak, weak little white boy, who hates everything he was born into, and has made seriously BAD choices in his life, till he's in a point today where he's a little puppet, gulliable and impressionable to a fault.  You're looking at the type of guy who would fly a plane into a building. 

This is coming from a guy who said he doesn't like to post here beacause theres too much negativity and he doesn't want to contribute to it, oh how ironic.

[Trauma-san]

God Bless John Wayne!!! A True American Hero!

[King Tech Quadafi]

Are you guys that desperate to dis credit me that you make up shit?

Overseer, i want you to stand by your statement that Muslims brutalized Spain durng their conquest.

And to that no name poster who started rambling about Armenians and Greece, I dont give a fuck what the Turks did to your ancestors, we're talkin about Spain here, and the Cordova caliphate


now if youll excuse me kids......

[Shallow]

And to that no name poster who started rambling about Armenians and Greece, I dont give a fuck what the Turks did to your ancestors, we're talkin about Spain here, and the Cordova caliphate

Actually, we're talking about John Wayne. You however decided to imply that Europeans are somehow more brutal than Muslims. I wasn't sure exactly what happened in Spain, but I was sure what happened in Greece and Armenia, so I brought it up to show you that not only Europeans are responsible for evil like all the fuck heads like you seem to think. This has nothing to with my personal feelings on the matter. I could care less what happened to my ancestors. It has nothing to do with me right now. What does have to do with is your implication that Europeans are more evil when it comes to taking over countries, and that is why I brought it up.

I'll give you props for the no name poster remark. That was well done. You still got slaughtered in this debate, but I'll props you for being clever.

[eS El Duque]

yup.. americans can only blame america and FRANCE who backed the americans.. not the english.

the english also pressured the americans to abolish slavery.. it was outlawed by the english WAY before the states did.

Canada kicks ass

[Lincoln]

yup.. americans can only blame america and FRANCE who backed the americans.. not the english.

the english also pressured the americans to abolish slavery.. it was outlawed by the english WAY before the states did.

Canada kicks ass

Co sign.

[Trauma-san]

Has Canada ever kicked ANY ass? 

[Shallow]

Has Canada ever kicked ANY ass? 

We kicked your US Ass right out of our country when you tried invading.

[*Jamal*]

Has Canada ever kicked ANY ass? 

Have you personally ever kicked any ass, or do you just slash people's tires? You fuckin pussy.

[OpTiCaL]

sorry if im repeatin but tired and havent read all the posts...


...but i thought everyone knew john wayne is no hero ?>


he is seen or was made to be the typical all american action hero...hailed to this day by media, forces etc


but he was a draft dodger...simple as that..he didnt have "beliefs" that caused others not to go to war ie Ali


...he just didnt want to get hurt and didnt feel fighting for his coutry was for him...now im not getting onto all that war good/evil topic,  but just because he was famous he got off easier than all the poor people who couldnt make that choice

[Shallow]

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What the hell are yo talking about? What War? Wayne is like 10 years old during WWI and in his mid 30s with 3 or 4 children during WWII. He didn't dodge, he just didn't enlist. He instead made a lot of movies during the War. You make it sound like he was 21 and ran to Canada. He had children that needed him more than his country at that moment so he chose them. Most soldiers that are supposed to enlist are young men, not 35 year old family men.

[Woodrow]

John Wayne, draft dodger? Oh, what delicious (if cheap) irony! But that judgment is a little harsh. As Garry Wills tells the story in his book John Wayne's America: The Politics of Celebrity (1997), the Duke faced a tough choice at the outset of World War II. If he wimped out, don't be so sure a lot of us wouldn't have done the same.

At the time of Pearl Harbor, Wayne was 34 years old. His marriage was on the rocks but he still had four kids to support. His career was taking off, in large part on the strength of his work in the classic western Stagecoach (1939). But he wasn't rich. Should he chuck it all and enlist? Many of Hollywood's big names, such as Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable, did just that. (Fonda, Wills points out, was 37 at the time and had a wife and three kids.) But these were established stars. Wayne knew that if he took a few years off for military service, there was a good chance that by the time he got back he'd be over the hill.

Besides, he specialized in the kind of movies a nation at war wanted to see, in which a rugged American hero overcame great odds. Recognizing that Hollywood was an important part of the war effort, Washington had told California draft boards to go easy on actors. Perhaps rationalizing that he could do more good at home, Wayne obtained 3-A status, "deferred for [family] dependency reasons." He told friends he'd enlist after he made just one or two more movies.

The real question is why he never did so. Wayne cranked out thirteen movies during the war, many with war-related themes. Most of the films were enormously successful and within a short time the Duke was one of America's most popular stars. His bankability now firmly established, he could have joined the military, secure in the knowledge that Hollywood would welcome him back later. He even made a half-hearted effort to sign up, sending in the paperwork to enlist in the naval photography unit commanded by a good friend, director John Ford.

But he didn't follow through. Nobody really knows why; Wayne didn't like to talk about it. A guy who prided himself on doing his own stunts, he doesn't seem to have lacked physical courage. One suspects he just found it was a lot more fun being a Hollywood hero than the real kind. Many movie star-soldiers had enlisted in the first flush of patriotism after Pearl Harbor. As the war ground on, slogging it out in the trenches seemed a lot less exciting. The movies, on the other hand, had put Wayne well on the way to becoming a legend. "Wayne increasingly came to embody the American fighting man," Wills writes. In late 1943 and early 1944 he entertained the troops in the Pacific theater as part of a USO tour. An intelligence bigshot asked him to give his impression of Douglas MacArthur. He was fawned over by the press when he got back. Meanwhile, he was having a torrid affair with a beautiful Mexican woman. How could military service compare with that?

In 1944, Wayne received a 2-A classification, "deferred in support of [the] national . . . interest." A month later the Selective Service decided to revoke many previous deferments and reclassified him 1-A. But Wayne's studio appealed and got his 2-A status reinstated until after the war ended.

People who knew Wayne say he felt bad about not having served. (During the war he'd gotten into a few fights with servicemen who wondered why he wasn't in uniform.) Some think his guilty conscience was one reason he became such a superpatriot later. The fact remains that the man who came to symbolize American patriotism and pride had a chance to do more than just act the part, and he let it pass.

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