interview SHORTY B (PART 2)  (April 2007) | Interview By:Chad Kiser

Dubcnn and Shorty B have reconvened for the Part 2 feature following our first exclusive interview with him last month.

Although known for his prominent production work for Oakland pioneer Too Short and his Dangerous Crew production squad, Shorty B has been instrumental in the sales of over 85 million records sold for the likes of T.I., MC Breed, Spice 1, Ant Banks, Daz Dillinger, TLC, Brandy, Nelly, Digital Underground, Cee-Lo Green, and Bubba Sparxxx to name a few.

For nearly 30-plus years, the always heard, but seldom seen Shorty B has produced on more gold & multi-platinum projects for several of the music industryís biggest records like the Menace II Society soundtrack, TLCís CrazySexyCool, T.I.ís Urban Legend and King albums; as well as being the go-to guy for the biggest labels like Universal, Atlantic, Interscope, Ruthless, Bad Boy, Priority, Jive and the list continues.

During our Part 2 discussion, Shorty B goes into more detail giving about the Dangerous Crew, shares his views on why the Dangerous Crew didnít fully blow up, his relationship with Too $hort, and much more. He also discusses what else he is currently working on and hints towards expecting more from this Dubcnn/Dangerous Crew connection.

Interview was done by phone in March 2007

Questions Asked By: Chad Kiser

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Dubcnn: Tell us a little bit about the seminar that your working on...

Right, Right. Actually, I havenít really got all the way full-fledged with it, cuz Iím actually gettiní my assembly together cuz Iím kinda bringiní to my homies...my celebrity homies. So what I need to do is actually dialogue with the homies a lilí bit, and then we gonna set a date and Iíma invite all my celebrity friends to come up and just get them to talk about what they know about the industry. Like what would be helpful, whatís the doís and doníts, and maybe show a few shortcuts.

Dubcnn: You also are working on a cartoon...tell us whatís up with that...

Yeah, my homeboys put it together. We already got a few scenes. He drawiníem out and then he makesíem all, you know, he do graphics an stuff so he makesíem, I forgot the word he be usiní, but itís cominí out real good, man, so itís like when I get a chance, once we finish up a few more scenes, Iíll give you chance to see what itís lookiní like.

Dubcnn: Cool, man...

Yeah, he draw characters in my likeness with a guitar and basses, and you know with superpowers and stuff. Itís really fun, man! Itís been really interestiní watchiní him. Itís gonna be dope, we gonna go ahead and put that out there.

Dubcnn: Alright, that sounds good man. Letís get back into some more of this music and Dangerous Crew shit. How do you feel about that Hyphy Movement out there in Oakland?

Well, personally, Iím just sittiní back and seeiní if itís just a fad, you know what Iím sayin? I donít think itís actually gonna be a movement as far as a musical movement. I think Hyphy seems to be more of an attitude that just makes the young cats dance all wild and crazy. I donít think that itís actually a musical movement, you know what Iím sayiní? Itís like they pick the songs that have the right tempos for them to dance like the way they want to. To me, it seems like itís more of a physical movement than a musical movement. Itís somethiní we gotta keep a eye on with Keak Da Sneak, and see what E-40 and them, Too $hort and see if they gonna contribute any more to that, if thereís any more of that to go.

I suspect that Keak Da Sneak will be cominí out with a couple more hits. But itís like, to me, rappers out of the Bay, like Keak Da Sneak is like the front-runner of that movement. But he better step his game up fast or that whole movement is gonna pass! And before long, people just gonna remember Hyphy like, ďI remember that summer.Ē It might turn out to be just that. I hope it does whatever it can though, cuz itís a way for alotta people and alotta the young homies out the Bay to get a shot at the title. But to me, it just seems like itís more of a physical movement than a musical movement.

Dubcnn: Goiní along that line, what do you think of Too $hortís lastest albums that went to that Crunk/Hyphy sound, versus that funk that yíall was bringiní back in the day?

Well, me personally, I got split emotions about that. I kinda recognized that us beiní down here in the South, and the South was haviní itís movement, and we was here from day one to watch it actually take off. And we was influential in the whole thing in South too becuz, you gotta realize that we was out here makiní records before the South really was, as well as we was makiní records in the West. So you kow, me and $hort moved to Atlanta, and had actually put it all the way down out here. Cuz I got alotta cats that be hittiní me up on Myspace askiní me when are me and $hort gonna get back to makin that West coast shit, you know, what he was known for? And I understand $hortís point of view becuz it was like business, you know? Cuz it was like he had to get on where he could cuz he was in Atlanta and all the homies start blowiní up. Alotta them was up under us, around us or friends to us so he just rode the rhythm. But to me, honestly, I would say that itís like he damn near sold out. Cuz alotta people are telliní me that on Myspace like, ďWhatís $hort doin? We donít wanna hear that. That ainít the $hort we know!Ē But, you know, I know it was a business move for $hort, so Iím kinda 50/50 cuz I understand why it had to be what it was or why $hort had to go that route. But then Iím understandiní that $hort might not be understandiní that heís actually fuckiní up all his fans in doing so.

So hopefully he be smart enough to, if he can replace those fans with new onesÖwhich is what you really donít wanna do cuz the fans who got you where you at now, are the fans that been supportiní us for years. So heís kinda like some sell-out shit in a way, but with $hort it was business decision to where it just had to go down like that. And on top of that business, he had to get a part of this Southern movement, cuz everybody in the Top 10 was cominí outta Atlanta, and they all our homies. So I understand the situation, you know, get in where you fit in *laughs*. But I donít think that $hort is actually aware as much as he should be on what heís really doiní with this southern music and tryiní to be like, you know, Blow The Whistle and shit like that. You know cats from the O they ainít really, you know, as far as Iím concerned, you and $hort both can read it for yourselves, just go over my comments and youíll hear what peopleís sayiní. But you know, I understand it from $hortís point of view cuz $hort tryiní to stay close to whatever dollar he can. But I really think he would better if he just focused.

To me, his rappiní since he came to the South ainít really been, I ainít really been feeliní that shit really. You know I love the homie, but that rappiní shit he been doiní since he done went ďSouthĒ with these south cats, I ainít really been feeliní $hort as a lyricist as like you would from his past. I can attest to the shit that he rappiní now, with Lilí Jon and all that, is anything that I really donít wanna hear again.

Dubcnn: Iíll be honest with you, I donít really check for $hort as much nowadays, unless Iím seeiní in the credits that thereís Ant Banks there, or Shorty B there, or somebody like that. Cuz if yíall there, then I know heís cominí with that real shit again.

Right! I guess if you see one of our names itís got to be some sort of vintage quality to it. But $hort just really on some other shit out here in the South. I guess with Lilí Jon beiní the homie and doiní what he was doiní out here, it was only right for $hort to stay close to him. You know, get what he could. But even with Lilí Jon doiní beats, he still didnít do nothiní but gold. I donít wanna sound facecious, but itís like youíre homies, and me beiní one of those cats, man, we kept you platinum everytime! And Lilí Jon be gettingí all those record sales himself, and you wonderiní why you ainít gettingí them salesÖthatís because that ainít you $hort! That wasnít your music, man. You just jumped on it and rolled with him, but it wasnít you and your record sales will tell you that. So letís go back over here to our fans and do what we do best. But I donít think $hort will ever wake up to that. I think $hort got like a kaleidoscope vision about this shit. But if he would actually just say ďfuck it, letís go back to the drawiní board and do what we do,Ē weíd probably get a double-platinum record out of it! If he was just a person that was focused and would just break bread. $hort donít break no bread, thatís why all his business just come down to him. It ainít like $hort and everybody else is makiní $hortís label go up, itís like itís up to $hort cuz $hort ainít gonna break no bread with you anyway. And $hort donít really know how to be a team player. Never has. $hort didnít even realize he was a quarterback, and he had a whole other 10 members on the team on this field, fieldiní in his name, but $hort donít think like that. And thatís why he will never be an icon as far as money is concerned, and contributing to and from his past.

I donít think he will ever just go over the top becuz he donít think like that. Heís got a one-track mind about business. And as long as he got some money in his pocket thatís all $hort care about. $hort donít know how to make money with people. $hort just know how to make money. But $hort donít know how to make money make money. Itís just the truth. I mean if you look at the past, it is what it is. Iím like címon $hort! See, $hort so happy to have a million dollars, and to pay what he got to pay and what he got goiní on in his life he look at it like thatís cool. But when you lookiní at this cat like he a legend and an icon, and he got all these great ideas and you got all these great people that be introduced to him, and we can all get millions, $hort ainít on that. Quincy Jones could call me tomorrow as a friend, ďHey Shorty B, how you doiní, man? I was just thinkiní about your man Too $hort. Why donít you bring him over to the house one time?Ē I wouldnít do it. Because I know itíd be a waste of time. And I know Quincy Jones would be wastiní his muthafuckiní breath tryiní to talk $hort into some real business. He donít get it like that. $hort got his money set where he can tear himself off like 30Gís a week doiní shows or whatever. And heís so content with that. My homie is the biggest littlest nigga in this industry. The biggest littlest nigga in this industry cuz $hort wonít think outta the box. He doesnít think outta the box. And the box that he does think in is only his box.

Dubcnn: He seeís what he wants to see and thatís itÖ.

Yeah, he donít see the big picture. Never did. I said to $hort in like 97-98, I said, ď$hort, what is goiní on, man?? You was supposed to be Master P, 6 years before we even heard of Master P!Ē You know what Iím sayiní? $hort still ainít got 10% of Master Pís money! To this day!...if that much. Cuz itís the way $hort thinks. $hort is not the person that thinks business. Heís not a business man. Heís a business man for his pocket, but thatís it. And it kinda makes me look at him like, damn! Cuz he could be so much bigger, if he would just think a lilí broader.

If $hort would put his ďsuit & tieĒ on 2 days outta the week and go sit down with these business men with his ďbriefcase.Ē But $hort ainít got no ďbriefcaseĒ cuz he donít get down like that. Now I ainít hatiní him for it, Iím just telliní you this cuz this is what I had to accept growiní up around him in this industry. My niggaís not gonna put it down the way itís supposed to be. Itís not in him. So it took me a while to accept it, but Iím cool with $hort now cuz I know not to let myself think that he gonna think big. So now that I know how he think, we can work within that realm becuz I know not to expect nothiní out the ordinary. He just donít get down like that. I say to $hort, ďyou seem to be happy with a million, when you could be happy with a 100 million.Ē But he wonít apply himself as a business man, and conduct himself as a business man to go get his other zeroís. Heís so content with gettingí $500,000 a year, or maybe even a millionÖbut my homie to be so big, he really thinks little. And always has.

Dubcnn: I see. Why do you think that is?

I dunno. I sit around so many nights and think about how my homie get down and how he thinks. $hort got a brother named Wayne Loc. Heís one of my best friends. His birthday is the day after mine. Thatís my dogg. The thing about me and Wayne is that Wayne is a lilí older, you know, I grew up around a bunch of men myself, I was raised by men, bonafied soldiers! $hort the type of person that was raised by his momma. So he donít really have manly values as other men do. Like Wayne Loc done went to jail, the penitentiary, been in the streets, etc. So he know and got some game from both sides, as where $hort really didnít.

What used to trip me out about Too $hort was that, you know weíd be on the road and alotta pimps be cominí up to $hort like, ďYo, Too $hort you be puttiní that pimp game down and shit forever!Ē and $hort might say somethiní like, ďYeah, you know how we do!Ē But I know for a fact that $hort ainít never pimped a bitch in his life! If a bitch gave $hort some money, he probably think the bitch was tryiní to put the police on him. And it used to trip me out, becuz he was leadiní the world to believe that he was somethiní that he ainít never been. I watched from first hand. $hort ainít never been a pimp. Ainít never had no pimp in him! He just seen alotta shit and rapped about it, and made it sound crafty. And alotta people figured that since the nigga was rappiní like this, he was liviní this. But he was far from liviní it. He was just rappiní. And the world used to think that Todd Shaw WAS Too $hort. But Too $hort and Todd Shaw donít have nothiní in common.

Dubcnn: Yeah, I remember an interview a few years back in the Souce where he was kinda sayiní that Too $hort was just a character, and not his real persona, but he was just tryiní to sell that ideaÖ

Right, but $hort go out and live his life like he is, and when he go out he donít mind people believiní that he is that way. He donít make it a point to correct them and say, ďHey man, I donít live like that. Itís just rapsĒ and keepiní it real. But my homie just take all the admiration and all that, but to me it all be under false pretences. Cuz alotta cats come up at him think that $hort is a pimp, cuz $hort keep alotta hoes, but cuz it seemed like when he got his teeth fixed, all he did was fuck. And thatís all he doiní. And none of this shit is slamminí him. This is all 100% genuine truth. I been there from day 1, and I watched him. Or day 2 rather. I watched him get his money up and there was alotta things I said to expect outta him as a man, a business man, and it just wasnít in him. So after I learned that this dude ainít from where Iím from and that he ainít gonna get down, itís like my father wouldnít approve of the conduct cominí form this man. But $hort wasnít raised by a man. And if you around $hort, eventually you will see that with your own eyes, you wonít have to hear it from me in a interview or nothiní. - hold on lemme get this other call...

Dubcnn: Aight

Yeah, that was the homie Big C-Style from Long Beach. You know, Big Snoop Doggís big homie. Thatís my dogg, one of my runniní buddies, right there. He about to head to Atlanta, so he was just giviní me a heads up telliní me he about to touch down. I told him I was doiní an interview, so I wanna give a big shout out to DUBCNN from the big homie C-Style thru his Uncle Shorty B tappiní in, you know send a lilí shout out to your website. But letís pick up where we left off man..

Dubcnn: Ok, sounds good...

Donít get me wrong, I love $hort. I love his momma, I know his Grandmama...I used to go down with him to Louisiana and stay, so I know his whole family. I got love for all them and they seem to have love for me. Itís just that it was difficult for me, as a street person, to see men not acting like men. It used to eat me up. Cuz from where Iím from, you get your head taken off for not acting like men. So it took me a while to figure out why $hort got down the way he did. He really wasnít raised my his daddy, I donít think, cuz I ainít never met his daddy, I seen pictures tho. $hort from L.A., and he come from a good family, but he just missiní some manly values. I think he missed some shit a man couldíve instilled in him at a young age, and it wasnít there, and you could see this shit as surely as a man today. Thatís just not how he get down.

Now donít get me wrong, $hort ainít no weak-ass nigga or nothiní, itís just that our values are different. And I donít know how else to put that. I was raised by men, and thereís just certain things you donít do, and thereís certain things you donít try to pull over on your brothers. Itís just acceptiní that he come up different, and come up under his mom, who is a beautiful womanÖDorothy ShawÖI love her to death, so donít get me wrong. But itís just got to do with beiní a man, so this ainít got nothiní to do with Dorothy no more, but when you dealiní with $hort on the one-on-one, eventually, you gonna see that this cat get down a lilí different than the average soldier. And thatís it. $hortís not a soldier. $hortís a playa, cuz he got all the tools to play with. But if you take all them tools away, Iím not sure $hort would be the playa that he is. And me, I donít need a goddamn dime cuz Iíma still be me. I got the gift of gab. I got the game for life! I been in and out the streets, behind the penitentiary walls and everything, so I done got it from everywhere. So thereís alotta shit I doneÖI been shot and everything else. Itís a part of life that I respect becuz I been thru life. I canít say $hort really been thru no first-hand shit except for that lilí life he was goiní thru tryiní to come up in Oakland, but that wasnít nothiní. But I love my homie, and I accept that we was different becuz we was raised different.

Dubcnn: Well, I...

And what fucks me up about that is that Wayne Loc was raised just like he was, but Wayne Loc is a straight muthafuckiní gangsta!

Dubcnn: He get down like that...

Yeah! Wayne just like me. We rolled together everyday. Wayne Loc called me every morning, and I called Wayne Loc every morning. Thatís my nigga! Pisces, you know what Iím sayiní? You can fuck around if you want to, but I wouldnít advise it! Fuckiní with me or him, I wouldnít advise it at all! But Iím a beautiful brother, man. I love everybody! I donít care what color you is, if you purple. If you actiní like family, then Iím treatiní you like family. If you actiní like somebodyís other family, then Iím treatiní you like somebodyís other family. Whoever you are, whatever color you are, whatever race or sex, if you act like family with Shorty B, then you get treated like family. If you show respect, Iíll show even more respect. If you show disrespect, then Iíma show you even more disrespect. I do unto others how I live my life. I live by the truth. I live by do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Dubcnn: One of the last tracks we saw you and $hort on was the track Pimp Life, off the Whatís My Favorite Word album a couple years ago. And with everything that youíre saying now, what is your relationship like with Too $hort? Do you two keep in touch?

Me and $hort, man, we respect each other. We are men. We are black men. Ainít no room for disrespect on my part; ainít no room for disrespect on his part. Ainít neither one of us fools for that shit. I shoí ainít, and Iíma be quick to let a muthafucka know that it is unhealthy to be disrespectiní me cuz I love everybody and I show everybody love and respect, but if the truth hurt, nigga go to church cuz ainít nothiní else cominí up out my mouth but the truth.

Dubcnn: Letís switch gears just a lilí bit. I was just goiní thru some of my CDís and tracks that I got from The Dangerous Crew era. I got a gang of shit. Just about everything that was released. Even the song you produced with MC Thick!

Damn, now I forgot about that. Whatís the name of it? Boy, I forgot all about that. I woulda never ever remembered that unless you had said that just now.

Dubcnn: Yeah, itís MC Thick and the song was called ďItís Gettiní Hard.Ē

Itís Gettiní Hard! Yeah! I forgot about it. I donít even remember what it sound like, but I remember doiní it.

Dubcnn: Thatís what Iím sayiní. I tried to get my hands on any and everything that yíall done, cuz I just love everything that yíall done. And Iím a big fan.

Right! Right! Thatís cool, cuz I support guys like you cuz you supportiní us to the fullest, you know what Iím sayiní?

Dubcnn: Iím just tryiní to do my thing, you know? This is what I grew up on. And they got me up on DUBCNN as the President of the Dangerous Crew Movement, you know what Iím sayiní?

Yeah, Yeah! Well, let it be what it is!

Dubcnn: Iím just tryiní to do my part to get yíall the recognition I feel you deserve, and get it out to the masses. But, so any way, I was goiní thru my stuff, and Iím goiní thru the Bad N-Fluenz credits in the booklet. And I saw where Pee-Wee did alotta the keyboards on there...

Thatís why I brought Pee-Wee over to $hort. Pee-Wee, you know, was with Digital Underground. Pee-Wee, thatís my dogg! Thatís another cat that, when we wasnít in the studio, we used to run the streetsÖwe was ugly. Real niggaz, man. Real cats. Never will a fake word come out of Pee-Weeís mouth. I love Pee-Wee with all my heart. Mr. Ramone Goode! Thatís my dogg! And to me, Pee-Wee was like a Bernie Worrel from the Funkadelic, type of keyboard player. He was a fuckiní beast man! Thatís my dogg for life! And I actually hope you can get in touch with him, and let him put a lilí light on the subject. Cuz see, my perspective is a lilí bit more in-depth cuz I was involved before all them other cats. Me & $hort was runniní buddies, just runniní together everyday. Alotta them cats came in after I set it off and hookedíem up.

The one thing I notice about, and I wanna give props to the Dangerous Crew, even before I was in the Dangerous crew, becuz the Dangerous Crew was known for theyíre rappers and all theyíre artistsí talent. And so when I became the 4th quarter in the Dangerous Crew, I made Dangerous Crew known for as well as for theyíre artists, and then theyíre beats and music.

Dubcnn: Yeah, yíall took it to another level...

Right! And alotta cats that deny what I be sayiní about this music shit and who was creatiní and all that, as you know, ya boy still be doiní this shit, still got that same sound, still eatiní off of itÖainít nobody else eatiní off that sound cuz they ainít got it.

Dubcnn: Ok, well letís go with that becuz in the last interview you mentioned that you played more of a production role than most of us was aware ofÖ

Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Ant Banks was good at those drums. He would come up with some drum patterns, and I would just turníem into songs, or do my own drum patterns and turníem into songs. It was like nobody really could ďcreateĒ music with their hands like I did. This is the one thing I be tryiní to get my homie Banks to realize becuz this is the reason he didnít last in the game. Banks had mastered this one sound that he was gettingí outta the JD-800 keyboard. He got nice drums, but Banks used the same drums, the same keyboard sound on every song he done. I been tryiní to tellíem that he gotta mix his sound up, cuz after a while, as talented as Banks is, it got to the point where if you heard one of Banksí songs you heardíem all. He had a signature sound, but it was overwhelming. I just wish he woulda changed up his sound along the way more, but he got kinda like stuck in a sound that he liked a lot. In the end, it kinda hindered him cuz it didnít show no growth in his production.

Dubcnn: Cuz there was definitely a distinct difference between when I would see Shorty B/Dangerous Crew produced this and then I see Ant Banks produced this, you had more of that live funk sound, where as Banks had that Mob-style soundÖ

Yeah, my sound prevailed cuz thatís what Iím liviní on to this day, cuz I do all kinda shit. But, I know the sound when people ask me for some of that ďShorty B shit.Ē And Iím finna hit you over the head everytime you ask for it. And whatís funny is that Jive Records had noticed that sound too, but they just thought it was Banks. Cuz Banks had a couple good songs here and there, but I know what they was lookiní forÖit was that shit! And it was me and Pee-Wee cuz we was the ďliveĒ niggaz. Pee-Wee played everything too!

You know, let me straighten that shit out right now. Pee-Wee played everything too, but I had already been there doiní it all. I brought Pee-Wee in, so I look at Pee-Wee as a part of me and what I did with the Dangerous Crew, you know what Iím sayiní? I look at Pee-Wee as a quarter in that dollar of what I brought in to the Dangerous Crew, not to mention what I was doiní before then. To me, after goiní out an playiní, doiní productions and bringiní the music, and then goiní and gettiní my homie who do just what I do and add him to what we was doin! Man, that was all me, man, I did that.

Dubcnn: You was the orchestrator.

Yeah! Exactly!.....And the ambassador!! *laughs*

Dubcnn: Let me ask you this. When you were workiní back then as the collective, The Dangerous Crew, what was the process like when you would get in the studio? How would things come together?

It was like this. $hort needed Banks cuz Banks knew how to ďengineer.Ē

Dubcnn: How to mix everything downÖ

Riiight! So $hort and Banks had built a certain relationship. Banks can mix his ass off! Let me just tell you, I wanna say that. That shit was hurtiní me cuz I love Banks, but I had came to $hort with songs like Cocktales and I didnít even want Banksí name on my record. I wanted somebody else to mix it just becuz of Banksí name. Cuz he had the name and I had the sound, but when you see his name they would try to give him my sound. It would say ďmixedĒ by Banks, and you would think Banks did that song becuz you saw his name. But it wasnít Banks. As much as I love Banks, his presence was as much as a help to me as it was hurting me. They had signed Banks to a 3 album deal, and none of that shit even went copper. And I didnít want Banks to think it was some personal shit, but I couldnít help him but so much cuz I knew what was happeniní. And I was not finna to let you run off with this sound. Cuz I seen what was happeniní with his albums so I had to really let him do his own shit, so they would know thatís Banks. This me. So if you got me all over Banksí shit, Banks gonna ride with that. But Banks ainít telliní these muthafuckaz this ainít him, it ainít his sound. He ainít gonna tell muthafuckaz that ďthis ainít really my sound that you heariní. This over here is me, but this right here, this ainít me.Ē

Just like that song on Ant Banks Album, 4 Tha Hustlaz with 2Pac on it thatís basically all Shorty B. And the funny this about it, is that they was goiní back and snatchiní old tracks that they had of me, put it together, and put that shit out. I didnít get paid for that song. And Iím all over that muthafucka. I ainít trippiní, but just to let you know that thatís the situation that was developiní. It was stagnatiní. The love I have for my homies, but the business we had within our love was really fuckiní me off. For real! So on alotta Banksí albums I had to kinda, you know, Banks would call, and if he need me I would go over there, cuz I was there for him. But I tried to give him 5 feet becuz I knew Jive thought he was somethiní else. I knew why they had signed him becuz we was hot as hell at that time and it was that sound we had. I give props where props is due cuz Banks had some nice drum patterns and Iíd eat those muthafuckaz up! At first I didnít know how to work a drum machine, but once I got down on one, I didnít need Banks no more. All need Banks for is the mix as far as the shit I was produciní. Itís like I had to find a way to get Banks out my pocket. As much as he was helpful to me, he was hurtiní me at the same time becuz they was tryiní to combine some shit. What really shoulda happened is that me and Banks shoulda went off and did a duet album between me and him and set the record straight.

Dubcnn: That woulda been tight!

And I told you that Banks called me a few months ago, and Iím williní to do that right now! Just to let it be known. I think that shoulda happened. Me and Banks shoulda did an album, and then we coulda set the record straight and the world woulda known where the sound was cominí from and who it was attributed to.

Dubcnn: And thatís a good idea..

Yeah, and Iím more than willing to do that with the homie. Just to do an OG album, and set the record straight. Cuz Iím a beast, Banks is a beast and Pee-Wee is a beast. The only reason why Banks couldnít compete with me and Pee-Wee is becuz we could do everything that he could do, except maybe engineer. But as far as creatively, we could do evertything Banks could do, but he couldnít do nothiní. Feel me?

Dubcnn: Yeah...

Couldnít do nothiní. He could do the drums, but me & Pee-Wee could play drums, keyboards and all that other stuff too. And then kill it with whatever ideas or creativity we wanted to put on it from there. So I think thatís what me and Banks need to do is go in there and do an album between the 2 of us, me, him and Pee-Wee would be nice! And then everybody would really understand the chemistry of it all. Why it worked. You know, Banks got the fat drums, Pee-Wee funkiní with the keyboard, and I got all that other shit. That would actually be nice if me, Banks and Pee-Wee could get in the studio and bang one out. Just let it be known. And call the album, This Is For The Record! *laughs*

Dubcnn: So did you do stuff on Banksí albums Sittiní On Somethiní Phat & The Big Badass?

You know, you couldnít...donít get me wrong, but couldnít nobody in our crew do nothiní and not have me on it. Cuz when I came in, my sound is known to the world for what we do. So if I ainít on it, somethiní gonna be missiní. I canít remember exactly what I was onÖIím sure Iím on a few songs, but I tried to be on as less as I possibly could just for the fact that Banks get his shine and let the world know that thatís his sound right there. That sound.

Dubcnn: So did yíall just get in the studio and start vibiní off each other and songs would just develop or...

Oh yeah, all the time! We would do that, and sometimes we would just do that or like I would come in, like I did with Gettiní It I already knew what I was gonna do. Iím A Player, I already knew it cuz all that Funkadelic shit was basically the chemistry between Too $hort and $horty B. Cuz we used to ride around in his Benz and play Funkadeli songs all day long. So I got to give props to my nigga $hort cuz he definitely funkafied-minded, and I was funkafied cuz I could bring what he liked, I could play it cuz I already knew the song. Any song of Funkadelic I could play. I knew the songs. So me $hort be ridiní around listeniní, and he Ďd say we gonna do this one over. Like we did with Iím A Player. Me & $hort did that. Thatís one part of the chemistry that I miss with Too $hort, the fact that we used to ride, sit around smoke weed and listen to shit to get ideas.

When me & $hort friendship fell off, where that was lackin and we wasnít doiní that no more, cuz that was the most important part of the Dangerous Crew career. The fact that Shorty B & Too $hort would, címon now I brought Michael Hampton from Funkadelic, I mean everybody. 2Pac! I introduced everybody to the Dangerous Crew. Eddie Hazel, George Clinton, I been fuckiní with George Clinton for 30 years! They didnít come becuz $hort set it up. They was cominí cuz they was fuckiní with the homie Shorty B. None them Dangerous Crew cats knew them Funkadelic cats. They just came through me cuz I was funky. I was a Funkadelic and I was just a funky-ass nigga that knew everybody that you liked on the radio! Personally. They was my friends. And wish man, I swear to God, I think that me & $hort got tight again we could really, especially if $hort break some bread with meÖnothiní crazy, you know, just break me off like $300,000 to make it half-way comfortableÖ.and we could ride around and listen to the songs like we used to do, man. Cuz me & $hort are the Dangerous Crew. We would just sit around and ride, and then we would bring it to Ant Banks. And then whatever the idea was, me, Banks and Pee-Wee would take over from there and bring it to life. But me & $hort would come up with the ideas.

We would just ride for days. $hort would bring cdís and I would bring cdís of live Funkadelic sessions or whatever, and we would just hear somethiní, and either we was gonna over play it, or loop it like we did on Sample The Funk with the Funky Worm from the Cocktales album. Pee-Wee tore the keyboard up on that one! The reason why songs like that came about, like songs like (sings I wanna be free..!) from the Ohio Players, thatís becuz Shorty B & Too $hort was ridiní around vibiní on music and cominí up with ideas. I think that if me and $hort could get tight like that again, we could probably knock out a 5-million seller.

Dubcnn: Damn, thatíd be nice!

The only thing is that Iím never gonna get $hort to bow down to the chemistry cuz he got money. So heí like ďfuck it, Iím already cool.Ē But he donít realize that we are icons in this shit cuz we done did some major shit. Niggaz is calliní me legendary, you know? I was already the shit, right, before I even met $hort. I knew I could play. I had been playiní with everybody like Brent Jones, EU, and lilí bit of everybody . I would really, really, really, be interested. I wish we could get the Dangerous Crew back together. All of us cool. And then have all the homies go in on a big olí house with a studio, and me & $hort go ridiní for Ďbout 4-5 hours just kickiní it and listen to this shit. And then come back with the ideas . Lilí Jon and all them gotta bow the fuck down. But it ainít never gonna happen cuz $hort ainít never gonna be man enough to realize the chemistry and the level of what he had. I donít even think $hort know what he had to this day. $hort had every bad muthfucka in Oakland, and all the baddest producers in the whole Bay area up under him. He didnít know he was a General.

Actually, Iíll take that back. I guess he knew he wasnít a General, but we kept treatiní him like one. But the whole time he knew he couldnít lead the pack. He knew he couldnít lead us in the war against the industry. He didnít know nothiní. He didnít know how. But we thought he did! But fuck it, I know what did work, and that was me & $hort! Just vibiní on music. We used to spend alotta time together and throwiní together a great-ass Too $hort album. Could you imagine if $hort came out with that shit? A good-ass album of about 18 songs with just a bumpiní-ass vintage feel? New flavor! A newness thatís updated, but itís still that shit that you like! That shit that made you knew who I was, you know what Iím sayiní Chad? If me & $hort could just sit down and actually vibe , man. And break some bread, you know, make sure Iím just comfortable with mine. Make sure I donít need nothiní and I donít wanna put nothiní in the studio. Every muthafuckiní piece is already in there. And then, we could actually take over the world. And it breaks my heart cuz I know the man that $hort is, and I know the man $hort ainít. And I donít think that the man that $hort is is ever gonna recognize that if he would just bow down and come off his horse just a lilí bit, all of us actually could get back together. Itís just that me & $hort got to pick out the right songs. Itís that stop takiní beats from niggaz thing. We donít need beats from niggaz. We need to go in there and make them records like we used to do, and sayiní that was us!

You know, Chad, and I want you to put this shit out there and let the world read it. Iím gettiní alotta comments from that first interview and ainít nobody got at me sayiní nothiní bad about it. They liked it. They really acknowledged it. You just wanna give it toíem man cuz it donít look like none of the other homies is gonna give it to you. Alotta homies that was in this Dangerous Crew shit probably ainít giviní a fuck about the Dangerous Crew cuz it was just a fad to them in their life. But to me, itís some vintage shit that we created. Me, $hort, Ant Banks and Pee-Wee. Just vintage, you know? And I wish that the 4 of us could actually come together, split up a million dollars, like $250,000 a piece or somethiní. Itís funny that I gotta keep mentioniní money, but thatís the only way these cats is really gonna make it happen. Cuz ainít none of us goiní in no studio fuckiní with $hort on some love no more. We not gonna do that. We love you, but we already know ainít nobody gonna eat showiní much love to you. From us just loviní you $hort, niggaz canít eat from that. And you donít show love back, homie, from the money side period. So if we had some money and could go in there and divide up a million dollars, man, we could go in there and knock out about 5 albums, dog. And I guarantee all 5 ofíem would do 2-3 a piece! Maybe 5 when we catch on one. And that is somethiní I would really, really give my all to contribute to. I would love to see that happen.

I was glad to hear Ant Banks called me a couple months ago. I would love to do anything to make that happen, but I know that if it come down to beiní on $hort itís gonna end up beiní fucked up. Ainít nobody gonna wanna fuck with him cuz $hort big, be canít generate no money for nobody else. I wish it would happen, but me knowiní the real and knowiní these cats when they donít know their self, it ainít never gonna happen, dog. So, I guess I wanna send out a R.I.P. to the Dangerous Crew. Itís gonna lay dead cuz the homie ainít gonna do what heís supposed to do. Wonít bow down to the chemistry, and then he canít generate the money to give us the inspiration to just go in there and knock it out. $hort ainít really gotta be there. All me and $hort gotta do is go vibe on some music. Then let me take it back to the studio and create it, let Ant Banks put a nice 808 on it. He ainít even gotta do that cuz I can put some drums on it. But that ainít the Dangerous Crew without Ant Banksí sound. Ant Banksí sound lethal! You know, we want all that. Pee-Wee, Ant Banks and for it to just say us! Not Shorty B, not Pee-Wee, not Banks, not $hort. THE DANGEROUS CREW! A collaborational effort amongst the 4 of us. We were the Dangerous Crew, 2nd generation. That actually became bigger than the first generation. But it wouldnít have done that if the first generation hadnít done what it done. Much respect due to them. Much respect to, um, my boy, you know I just got through telliní you that Ant Diddley Dog served him and I forgot to save his number in my phone, but heíll probably be calliní me again in a day or two cuz I told him about you and have you interview him. But I think Ant Diddley can probably tell you about a certain era because he didnít live it. He didnít last long enough with what we did and what we accomplished over the years. But for the period he was in, it was a great period! And it would probably be exciting to hear what he got to say.

Dubcnn: It would awesome! As a matter of fact, the next time you talk to him...

Yeah, I was telliní him about you and actually, he brought the interview up to me. He had read it, or somebody had told him about it, or something like that. Thereís one thing Iíma tell you, Chad. Some cats would rather the truth be hidden forever so they can go on with their life. And then some cats have a problem with it. I donít give a fuck about neither one of them cuz thatís how I live. Iím gonna tell the truth cuz I canít live but by the truth. So when you hear some shit come outta my mouth you can be sure, homie, that itís 100% !

Dubcnn: Yeah, and the next time you talk to Ant Diddley, man, give him my number and tell him to give me a holla and weíll set somethiní up! Cuz I know thereís alotta cats out here that would like to hear from Ant Diddley cuz we ainít heard from him in years!

Right! And itís funny that you mention all these names like Dangerous Dame, Pooh-Man, Mr. ILL and so on. Did you know that all them cats out there came to Myrtle Street, where we was recordiní, tryiní to get on? From Pooh to Del the Funky Homosapien, all of them used to come by and holla at us, man. And if $hort just had that business mind he coulda had the whole city signed to him. Everybody wanted to fuck with him. But after you met $hort, you kinda realized and had that ďI donít knowĒ sense about him. There was gonna be no business jumpiní off, no real solid business. But $hort woulda just had that ďbig-businessĒ mind he coulda been bigger than Hammer! He lasted longer than Hammer, but he wasnít bigger.

Dubcnn: Going back to Ant Diddley, did you have much involvement with Rappiní Ron and Ant Diddley Dogís music?

Yeah, I just canít remember the songs. Any thing that came outta Dangerous Crew, me, Banks & Pee-Wee basically put it together. Solo projects, I gaveíem 5 feet. But anything Dangerous Crew I was involved with. You know, cuz I was the music, you feel me? I gotta actually get that album cuz Iím sure that Iím on a few songs, but itís just been so long that I donít remember which ones. As a matter of fact, I wish I could get that album cuz I would love to have it. That Rappiní Ron and Ant Diddley.

Dubcnn: Well check this out then. This is what we gonna do, Shorty B...

Yes sirÖ

Dubcnn: Iím gonna come down to Atlanta one dayÖ


Dubcnn: And Iím gonna bring ALL my shit with meÖ

Done deal!

Dubcnn: And Iím gonna let you listen to it and go through it, and vibe, reminisce or whatever you wanna do, and Iím gonna do a LIVE interview with you.

Sounds good, dog. That sounds real good. As a matter of fact, you can put at the end of this one, cuz itís Part 2 and I gotta lotta shit Iím saviní so Iíma do one more interview with you and Iím gonna put it all the way on the front line. Itís gonna be so cold. And itís gonna be about the transformation from the end of Dangerous Crew to what Shorty Bís doiní now. So you can tellíem the next and final episode is gonna be live! You gonna see it come out Shorty Bís mouth.

Dubcnn: Ok, Ok. Thatís gonna be tight! Now, you brought up Pooh-man. And I gotta ask, cuz everybody wanna know, what happened between Dangerous Crew and Pooh-man?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...my man kinda fell out with $hort, you know what Iím sayiní? Just kinda rubbed $hort the wrong way. He had a lilí mouth on him. I had a lilí incident with Pooh-man myself. He was pretty cool though, even after that incident. We worked that shit out, it was cool. Pooh-Man was like a east-Oakland mascot youngster *laughs*. So he was wild, and didnít really think before he spoke, or none of that shit. But he had a good side on the other side, but it was more of complications of men. Some not as manly as others. It just came down to some cats just ainít gonna get along. Like Fatha Dom. I remember one time we was gettiní off the plane, Fatha Dom punched $hort in the back of his head, tryiní to tear his jaw off. I ainít gonna get into too much of it, but it was just lilí shit like that, man. But see, I was 10 years older than all these cats, so I was on some other mature shit. Itís like some shit I wouldnít do, like I couldnít get involved in a peanut fight on the airplane with you. Iím too old for that and itís actually embarassiní that yíall asses is doiní it but thatís how the homies would get down sometimes.

Dubcnn: Now, we talkiní about 12-15 years ago now. What about any unreleased Dangerous Crew material? Is there any of that out there?

$hort got tons of it. We did so many songs, man, between me, Pee-Wee, and Banks, that I would imagine $hort got enough material for about 4 or 5 more Dangerous Crew albums.

Dubcnn: Well, damn! So, when you gonna get me some of that unreleased shit?

Actually, what I need to do, cuz I know I got plenty of it, and I got about 5 shoe boxes full of cassettes with tons of shit oníem. And I just bought a cassette-to-CD burner, and as a matter of fact I just made a CD of about 30 songs on it with some old vintage shit on it, and itís gonna take me about 2 weeks to a month to go through these tapes and find it and put it on cd. I know I got some shit with 2Pac, $hort and all kind of shit. So, I dunno how long itís gonna be before you come up, but Iíll trade off some shit to you that like, you need to have, and I just made a CD of a bunch of vintage shit. And itís a coincidence that you brought that up, cuz Iím already on it. I was thinkiní about actually puttiní some of this shit out, cuz nobody got it but me. Cuz some of these masters, I know $hort donít have any idea what some of this shit is. And I wouldnít be surprised if Pee-Wee got alotta shit too.

Dubcnn: Well, we gonna keep in touch on this, and schedule it out and figure it out and Iíma get down there with all my shit, and you gonna get all your shit, and we gonna trade back and forth. Thatís how we gonna do it.

Yeah! We just gonna sit down and give each other what the other donít have. As a matter of fact, what me and you need to do is get together and put out some muthafuckiní vintage Dangerous crew, vintage Shorty B CDís!

Dubcnn: We can do that!

Cuz I donít care how anybody feels about it cuz none of this shit woulda never got heard if we donít do what we do. And alotta this shit is still big, and got big fans that would love to hear this shit. Not only that, but it would be some great shit for producers to sample from.

Dubcnn: Iíll tell you what, man. Within about a week to 2 weeks of that we did that first interview, there was close to 500 hits of people readiní that interview. *Forum Figures; Dubcnn Page Views: Over 45,000.*

Damn, ainít that somethiní?!

Dubcnn: So, the demand is out there. We just ainít got the supply.

Thatís what Iím sayiní. We got enough material to actually get some of these cdís out there where it reminds people and strikes up their interest in the crew to where it might even wake $hort up to be like, Ďwe need to do another record!í cuz theyíll go crazy.

Dubcnn: Thatís why Iím doiní this and reachiní out. Cuz, I know Iím just a lilí guy, a fan in all this, but Dangerous Crew music is what I love, and I donít know nobody in the industry, but I been wantiní to find out about itÖ

I know just about everybody in the industry pretty much, so me and you just got to get together and put what we got and mix it down a lilí bit and start creatiní some CD covers for Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 and whatever and put it out, man! Cuz ainít nobody got this shit but us, and ainít nobody thinkiní about the Dangerous Crew, if any Dangerous Crew, but us!

Dubcnn: Exactly! Exactly! We gonna do that then!

And I wanna say this before I close. Watch all my niggaz come out the wood work when this shit blow up. Actiní like they was a part of it. But they didnít give a fuck about the Dangerous Crew. I got the tattoo of the Dangerous Crew on my arm, the Donít Try This At Home album cover on my arm. Iím the one that got it when I came back from L.A., and showed it to Banks, and Banks was like, ĎIím finna to get one of those!í Ainít nobody get no Dangerous Crew tattoo, but Shorty B! Read between the lines.

Dubcnn: Well it was good talkiní with you again, man

Yeah it was good talkiní with you, man. I wanna say a shout out to all my fans, and I got your response from the first interview and it was all positive cuz the truth always is. I wanna thank everybody for tappiní in with you, and I hope you like the 2nd edition of the interview, and the 3rd edition which will be the last and final part of this interview will be in person, live on video, with me and the big homie Chad, you know, so stay tuned cuz I got alotta shit that needs to be, like whatís up?

Dubcnn: Cool, man I appreciate that. Go ahead and throw a shout out to DUBCNN on there too!

Yeah! I wanna send a shout out to my folks DUBCNN and the big homie Chad, you know what Iím sayiní, for tappiní in with the homie Shorty B, OG, you know the status, multi-platinum as I can be, you know what Iím sayiní? Still doiní my thing. Iím still doiní it! Iím actually in the process of workiní with Kane, of the Ying Yang Twins. Iím actually prepariní his solo album right now. I did 3 songs again with Gipp. I already did 3 songs last week and he tookíem all and got Nelly rappiní on 2 ofíem. I may have the single and I know I got quite a few songs on Gippís, and maybe The Lunatics. Iím tryiní to make Nelly reach out to me, so keep your head up and Iím about to holla at Too $hort and see where his head at. Maybe we can smoke one and come to an agreement about some sort of paper and try to catch our vibe back, man. You know what Iím sayiní, this shit is legendary, you know? I wanna think everybody for tuniní in to DUBCNN, the OG Shorty B, and tune in for the last episode of this interview cuz you gonna love it! One Love.

Dubcnn: Cool, man, I appreciate it, again. And I look forward to the 3rd edition live with you down in Atlanta.

Yes sir, done deal! Call me, Iím just a phone call away.

Dubcnn: Aight...later man




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