SHORTY B (PART 2)
2007) | Interview By:Chad Kiser |
Dubcnn and Shorty B have reconvened
for the Part 2 feature following our
first exclusive interview with him last month.
Although known for his prominent production work for Oakland pioneer Too Short and his Dangerous Crew production squad, Shorty B has been instrumental in the sales of over 85 million records sold for the likes of T.I., MC Breed, Spice 1, Ant Banks, Daz Dillinger, TLC, Brandy, Nelly, Digital Underground, Cee-Lo Green, and Bubba Sparxxx to name a few.
For nearly 30-plus years, the always heard, but seldom seen Shorty B has produced on more gold & multi-platinum projects for several of the music industryís biggest records like the Menace II Society soundtrack, TLCís CrazySexyCool, T.I.ís Urban Legend and King albums; as well as being the go-to guy for the biggest labels like Universal, Atlantic, Interscope, Ruthless, Bad Boy, Priority, Jive and the list continues.
During our Part 2 discussion, Shorty B goes into more detail giving about
the Dangerous Crew, shares his views on why
the Dangerous Crew didnít fully blow up, his relationship with Too $hort, and
much more. He also discusses what else he is currently working on and hints
towards expecting more from this Dubcnn/Dangerous Crew connection.
Interview was done by phone in March 2007
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Dubcnn: Tell us a little bit about
the seminar that your working on...
Right, Right. Actually, I havenít really got all the way full-fledged with
it, cuz Iím actually gettiní my assembly together cuz Iím kinda bringiní to my
homies...my celebrity homies. So what I need to do is actually dialogue with
the homies a lilí bit, and then we gonna set a date and Iíma invite all my
celebrity friends to come up and just get them to talk about what they know
about the industry. Like what would be helpful, whatís the doís and doníts,
and maybe show a few shortcuts.
Dubcnn: You also are working on a cartoon...tell us whatís up with that...
Yeah, my homeboys put it together. We already got a few scenes. He drawiníem
out and then he makesíem all, you know, he do graphics an stuff so he makesíem,
I forgot the word he be usiní, but itís cominí out real good, man, so itís
like when I get a chance, once we finish up a few more scenes, Iíll give you
chance to see what itís lookiní like.
Dubcnn: Cool, man...
Yeah, he draw characters in my likeness with a guitar and basses, and you know
with superpowers and stuff. Itís really fun, man! Itís been really interestiní
watchiní him. Itís gonna be dope, we gonna go ahead and put that out there.
Dubcnn: Alright, that sounds good man. Letís get back into some more of
this music and Dangerous Crew shit. How do you feel about that Hyphy Movement
out there in Oakland?
Well, personally, Iím just sittiní back and seeiní if itís just a fad, you
know what Iím sayin? I donít think itís actually gonna be a movement as far as
a musical movement. I think Hyphy seems to be more of an attitude that just
makes the young cats dance all wild and crazy. I donít think that itís
actually a musical movement, you know what Iím sayiní? Itís like they pick the
songs that have the right tempos for them to dance like the way they want to.
To me, it seems like itís more of a physical movement than a musical movement.
Itís somethiní we gotta keep a eye on with Keak Da Sneak, and see what E-40
and them, Too $hort and see if they gonna contribute any more to that, if
thereís any more of that to go.
I suspect that Keak Da Sneak will be cominí out with a couple more hits. But
itís like, to me, rappers out of the Bay, like Keak Da Sneak is like the
front-runner of that movement. But he better step his game up fast or that
whole movement is gonna pass! And before long, people just gonna remember
Hyphy like, ďI remember that summer.Ē It might turn out to be just that. I
hope it does whatever it can though, cuz itís a way for alotta people and
alotta the young homies out the Bay to get a shot at the title. But to me, it
just seems like itís more of a physical movement than a musical movement.
Dubcnn: Goiní along that line, what do you think of Too $hortís lastest
albums that went to that Crunk/Hyphy sound, versus that funk that yíall was
bringiní back in the day?
Well, me personally, I got split emotions about that. I kinda recognized that
us beiní down here in the South, and the South was haviní itís movement, and
we was here from day one to watch it actually take off. And we was influential
in the whole thing in South too becuz, you gotta realize that we was out here
makiní records before the South really was, as well as we was makiní records
in the West. So you kow, me and $hort moved to Atlanta, and had actually put
it all the way down out here. Cuz I got alotta cats that be hittiní me up on
Myspace askiní me when are me and $hort gonna get back to makin that West
coast shit, you know, what he was known for? And I understand $hortís point of
view becuz it was like business, you know? Cuz it was like he had to get on
where he could cuz he was in Atlanta and all the homies start blowiní up.
Alotta them was up under us, around us or friends to us so he just rode the
rhythm. But to me, honestly, I would say that itís like he damn near sold out.
Cuz alotta people are telliní me that on Myspace like, ďWhatís $hort doin? We
donít wanna hear that. That ainít the $hort we know!Ē But, you know, I know it
was a business move for $hort, so Iím kinda 50/50 cuz I understand why it had
to be what it was or why $hort had to go that route. But then Iím understandiní
that $hort might not be understandiní that heís actually fuckiní up all his
fans in doing so.
So hopefully he be smart enough to, if he can replace those fans with new
onesÖwhich is what you really donít wanna do cuz the fans who got you where
you at now, are the fans that been supportiní us for years. So heís kinda like
some sell-out shit in a way, but with $hort it was business decision to where
it just had to go down like that. And on top of that business, he had to get a
part of this Southern movement, cuz everybody in the Top 10 was cominí outta
Atlanta, and they all our homies. So I understand the situation, you know, get
in where you fit in *laughs*. But I donít think that $hort is actually aware
as much as he should be on what heís really doiní with this southern music and
tryiní to be like, you know, Blow The Whistle and shit like that. You know
cats from the O they ainít really, you know, as far as Iím concerned, you and
$hort both can read it for yourselves, just go over my comments and youíll
hear what peopleís sayiní. But you know, I understand it from $hortís point of
view cuz $hort tryiní to stay close to whatever dollar he can. But I really
think he would better if he just focused.
To me, his rappiní since he came to the South ainít really been, I ainít
really been feeliní that shit really. You know I love the homie, but that
rappiní shit he been doiní since he done went ďSouthĒ with these south cats, I
ainít really been feeliní $hort as a lyricist as like you would from his past.
I can attest to the shit that he rappiní now, with Lilí Jon and all that, is
anything that I really donít wanna hear again.
Dubcnn: Iíll be honest with you, I donít really check for $hort as much
nowadays, unless Iím seeiní in the credits that thereís Ant Banks there, or
Shorty B there, or somebody like that. Cuz if yíall there, then I know heís
cominí with that real shit again.
Right! I guess if you see one of our names itís got to be some sort of vintage
quality to it. But $hort just really on some other shit out here in the South.
I guess with Lilí Jon beiní the homie and doiní what he was doiní out here, it
was only right for $hort to stay close to him. You know, get what he could.
But even with Lilí Jon doiní beats, he still didnít do nothiní but gold. I
donít wanna sound facecious, but itís like youíre homies, and me beiní one of
those cats, man, we kept you platinum everytime! And Lilí Jon be gettingí all
those record sales himself, and you wonderiní why you ainít gettingí them
salesÖthatís because that ainít you $hort! That wasnít your music, man. You
just jumped on it and rolled with him, but it wasnít you and your record sales
will tell you that. So letís go back over here to our fans and do what we do
best. But I donít think $hort will ever wake up to that. I think $hort got
like a kaleidoscope vision about this shit. But if he would actually just say
ďfuck it, letís go back to the drawiní board and do what we do,Ē weíd probably
get a double-platinum record out of it! If he was just a person that was
focused and would just break bread. $hort donít break no bread, thatís why all
his business just come down to him. It ainít like $hort and everybody else is
makiní $hortís label go up, itís like itís up to $hort cuz $hort ainít gonna
break no bread with you anyway. And $hort donít really know how to be a team
player. Never has. $hort didnít even realize he was a quarterback, and he had
a whole other 10 members on the team on this field, fieldiní in his name, but
$hort donít think like that. And thatís why he will never be an icon as far as
money is concerned, and contributing to and from his past.
I donít think he will ever just go over the top becuz he donít think like
that. Heís got a one-track mind about business. And as long as he got some
money in his pocket thatís all $hort care about. $hort donít know how to make
money with people. $hort just know how to make money. But $hort donít know how
to make money make money. Itís just the truth. I mean if you look at the past,
it is what it is. Iím like címon $hort! See, $hort so happy to have a million
dollars, and to pay what he got to pay and what he got goiní on in his life he
look at it like thatís cool. But when you lookiní at this cat like he a legend
and an icon, and he got all these great ideas and you got all these great
people that be introduced to him, and we can all get millions, $hort ainít on
that. Quincy Jones could call me tomorrow as a friend, ďHey Shorty B, how you
doiní, man? I was just thinkiní about your man Too $hort. Why donít you bring
him over to the house one time?Ē I wouldnít do it. Because I know itíd be a
waste of time. And I know Quincy Jones would be wastiní his muthafuckiní
breath tryiní to talk $hort into some real business. He donít get it like
that. $hort got his money set where he can tear himself off like 30Gís a week
doiní shows or whatever. And heís so content with that. My homie is the
biggest littlest nigga in this industry. The biggest littlest nigga in this
industry cuz $hort wonít think outta the box. He doesnít think outta the box.
And the box that he does think in is only his box.
Dubcnn: He seeís what he wants to see and thatís itÖ.
Yeah, he donít see the big picture. Never did. I said to $hort in like 97-98,
I said, ď$hort, what is goiní on, man?? You was supposed to be Master P, 6
years before we even heard of Master P!Ē You know what Iím sayiní? $hort still
ainít got 10% of Master Pís money! To this day!...if that much. Cuz itís the
way $hort thinks. $hort is not the person that thinks business. Heís not a
business man. Heís a business man for his pocket, but thatís it. And it kinda
makes me look at him like, damn! Cuz he could be so much bigger, if he would
just think a lilí broader.
If $hort would put his ďsuit & tieĒ on 2 days outta the week and go sit down
with these business men with his ďbriefcase.Ē But $hort ainít got no
ďbriefcaseĒ cuz he donít get down like that. Now I ainít hatiní him for it,
Iím just telliní you this cuz this is what I had to accept growiní up around
him in this industry. My niggaís not gonna put it down the way itís supposed
to be. Itís not in him. So it took me a while to accept it, but Iím cool with
$hort now cuz I know not to let myself think that he gonna think big. So now
that I know how he think, we can work within that realm becuz I know not to
expect nothiní out the ordinary. He just donít get down like that. I say to $hort,
ďyou seem to be happy with a million, when you could be happy with a 100
million.Ē But he wonít apply himself as a business man, and conduct himself as
a business man to go get his other zeroís. Heís so content with gettingí
$500,000 a year, or maybe even a millionÖbut my homie to be so big, he really
thinks little. And always has.
Dubcnn: I see. Why do you think that is?
I dunno. I sit around so many nights and think about how my homie get down and
how he thinks. $hort got a brother named Wayne Loc. Heís one of my best
friends. His birthday is the day after mine. Thatís my dogg. The thing about
me and Wayne is that Wayne is a lilí older, you know, I grew up around a bunch
of men myself, I was raised by men, bonafied soldiers! $hort the type of
person that was raised by his momma. So he donít really have manly values as
other men do. Like Wayne Loc done went to jail, the penitentiary, been in the
streets, etc. So he know and got some game from both sides, as where $hort
What used to trip me out about Too $hort was that, you know weíd be on the
road and alotta pimps be cominí up to $hort like, ďYo, Too $hort you be puttiní
that pimp game down and shit forever!Ē and $hort might say somethiní like,
ďYeah, you know how we do!Ē But I know for a fact that $hort ainít never
pimped a bitch in his life! If a bitch gave $hort some money, he probably
think the bitch was tryiní to put the police on him. And it used to trip me
out, becuz he was leadiní the world to believe that he was somethiní that he
ainít never been. I watched from first hand. $hort ainít never been a pimp.
Ainít never had no pimp in him! He just seen alotta shit and rapped about it,
and made it sound crafty. And alotta people figured that since the nigga was
rappiní like this, he was liviní this. But he was far from liviní it. He was
just rappiní. And the world used to think that Todd Shaw WAS Too $hort. But
Too $hort and Todd Shaw donít have nothiní in common.
Dubcnn: Yeah, I remember an interview a few years back in the Souce where
he was kinda sayiní that Too $hort was just a character, and not his real
persona, but he was just tryiní to sell that ideaÖ
Right, but $hort go out and live his life like he is, and when he go out he
donít mind people believiní that he is that way. He donít make it a point to
correct them and say, ďHey man, I donít live like that. Itís just rapsĒ and
keepiní it real. But my homie just take all the admiration and all that, but
to me it all be under false pretences. Cuz alotta cats come up at him think
that $hort is a pimp, cuz $hort keep alotta hoes, but cuz it seemed like when
he got his teeth fixed, all he did was fuck. And thatís all he doiní. And none
of this shit is slamminí him. This is all 100% genuine truth. I been there
from day 1, and I watched him. Or day 2 rather. I watched him get his money up
and there was alotta things I said to expect outta him as a man, a business
man, and it just wasnít in him. So after I learned that this dude ainít from
where Iím from and that he ainít gonna get down, itís like my father wouldnít
approve of the conduct cominí form this man. But $hort wasnít raised by a man.
And if you around $hort, eventually you will see that with your own eyes, you
wonít have to hear it from me in a interview or nothiní. - hold on lemme get
this other call...
Yeah, that was the homie Big C-Style from Long Beach. You know, Big Snoop
Doggís big homie. Thatís my dogg, one of my runniní buddies, right there. He
about to head to Atlanta, so he was just giviní me a heads up telliní me he
about to touch down. I told him I was doiní an interview, so I wanna give a
big shout out to DUBCNN from the big homie C-Style thru his Uncle Shorty B
tappiní in, you know send a lilí shout out to your website. But letís pick up
where we left off man..
Dubcnn: Ok, sounds good...
Donít get me wrong, I love $hort. I love his momma, I know his Grandmama...I
used to go down with him to Louisiana and stay, so I know his whole family. I
got love for all them and they seem to have love for me. Itís just that it was
difficult for me, as a street person, to see men not acting like men. It used
to eat me up. Cuz from where Iím from, you get your head taken off for not
acting like men. So it took me a while to figure out why $hort got down the
way he did. He really wasnít raised my his daddy, I donít think, cuz I ainít
never met his daddy, I seen pictures tho. $hort from L.A., and he come from a
good family, but he just missiní some manly values. I think he missed some
shit a man couldíve instilled in him at a young age, and it wasnít there, and
you could see this shit as surely as a man today. Thatís just not how he get
Now donít get me wrong, $hort ainít no weak-ass nigga or nothiní, itís just
that our values are different. And I donít know how else to put that. I was
raised by men, and thereís just certain things you donít do, and thereís
certain things you donít try to pull over on your brothers. Itís just acceptiní
that he come up different, and come up under his mom, who is a beautiful
womanÖDorothy ShawÖI love her to death, so donít get me wrong. But itís just
got to do with beiní a man, so this ainít got nothiní to do with Dorothy no
more, but when you dealiní with $hort on the one-on-one, eventually, you gonna
see that this cat get down a lilí different than the average soldier. And
thatís it. $hortís not a soldier. $hortís a playa, cuz he got all the tools to
play with. But if you take all them tools away, Iím not sure $hort would be
the playa that he is. And me, I donít need a goddamn dime cuz Iíma still be
me. I got the gift of gab. I got the game for life! I been in and out the
streets, behind the penitentiary walls and everything, so I done got it from
everywhere. So thereís alotta shit I doneÖI been shot and everything else.
Itís a part of life that I respect becuz I been thru life. I canít say $hort
really been thru no first-hand shit except for that lilí life he was goiní
thru tryiní to come up in Oakland, but that wasnít nothiní. But I love my
homie, and I accept that we was different becuz we was raised different.
Dubcnn: Well, I...
And what fucks me up about that is that Wayne Loc was raised just like he was,
but Wayne Loc is a straight muthafuckiní gangsta!
Dubcnn: He get down like that...
Yeah! Wayne just like me. We rolled together everyday. Wayne Loc called me
every morning, and I called Wayne Loc every morning. Thatís my nigga! Pisces,
you know what Iím sayiní? You can fuck around if you want to, but I wouldnít
advise it! Fuckiní with me or him, I wouldnít advise it at all! But Iím a
beautiful brother, man. I love everybody! I donít care what color you is, if
you purple. If you actiní like family, then Iím treatiní you like family. If
you actiní like somebodyís other family, then Iím treatiní you like somebodyís
other family. Whoever you are, whatever color you are, whatever race or sex,
if you act like family with Shorty B, then you get treated like family. If you
show respect, Iíll show even more respect. If you show disrespect, then Iíma
show you even more disrespect. I do unto others how I live my life. I live by
the truth. I live by do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Dubcnn: One of the last tracks we saw you and $hort on was the track Pimp
Life, off the Whatís My Favorite Word album a couple years ago. And with
everything that youíre saying now, what is your relationship like with Too $hort?
Do you two keep in touch?
Me and $hort, man, we respect each other. We are men. We are black men. Ainít
no room for disrespect on my part; ainít no room for disrespect on his part.
Ainít neither one of us fools for that shit. I shoí ainít, and Iíma be quick
to let a muthafucka know that it is unhealthy to be disrespectiní me cuz I
love everybody and I show everybody love and respect, but if the truth hurt,
nigga go to church cuz ainít nothiní else cominí up out my mouth but the
Dubcnn: Letís switch gears just a lilí bit. I was just goiní thru some of
my CDís and tracks that I got from The Dangerous Crew era. I got a gang of
shit. Just about everything that was released. Even the song you produced with
Damn, now I forgot about that. Whatís the name of it? Boy, I forgot all about
that. I woulda never ever remembered that unless you had said that just now.
Dubcnn: Yeah, itís MC Thick and the song was called ďItís Gettiní Hard.Ē
Itís Gettiní Hard! Yeah! I forgot about it. I donít even remember what it
sound like, but I remember doiní it.
Dubcnn: Thatís what Iím sayiní. I tried to get my hands on any and
everything that yíall done, cuz I just love everything that yíall done. And
Iím a big fan.
Right! Right! Thatís cool, cuz I support guys like you cuz you supportiní us
to the fullest, you know what Iím sayiní?
Dubcnn: Iím just tryiní to do my thing, you know? This is what I grew up
on. And they got me up on DUBCNN as the President of the Dangerous Crew
Movement, you know what Iím sayiní?
Yeah, Yeah! Well, let it be what it is!
Dubcnn: Iím just tryiní to do my part to get yíall the recognition I feel
you deserve, and get it out to the masses. But, so any way, I was goiní thru
my stuff, and Iím goiní thru the Bad N-Fluenz credits in the booklet. And I
saw where Pee-Wee did alotta the keyboards on there...
Thatís why I brought Pee-Wee over to $hort. Pee-Wee, you know, was with
Digital Underground. Pee-Wee, thatís my dogg! Thatís another cat that, when we
wasnít in the studio, we used to run the streetsÖwe was ugly. Real niggaz,
man. Real cats. Never will a fake word come out of Pee-Weeís mouth. I love
Pee-Wee with all my heart. Mr. Ramone Goode! Thatís my dogg! And to me,
Pee-Wee was like a Bernie Worrel from the Funkadelic, type of keyboard player.
He was a fuckiní beast man! Thatís my dogg for life! And I actually hope you
can get in touch with him, and let him put a lilí light on the subject. Cuz
see, my perspective is a lilí bit more in-depth cuz I was involved before all
them other cats. Me & $hort was runniní buddies, just runniní together
everyday. Alotta them cats came in after I set it off and hookedíem up.
The one thing I notice about, and I wanna give props to the Dangerous Crew,
even before I was in the Dangerous crew, becuz the Dangerous Crew was known
for theyíre rappers and all theyíre artistsí talent. And so when I became the
4th quarter in the Dangerous Crew, I made Dangerous Crew known for as well as
for theyíre artists, and then theyíre beats and music.
Dubcnn: Yeah, yíall took it to another level...
Right! And alotta cats that deny what I be sayiní about this music shit and
who was creatiní and all that, as you know, ya boy still be doiní this shit,
still got that same sound, still eatiní off of itÖainít nobody else eatiní off
that sound cuz they ainít got it.
Dubcnn: Ok, well letís go with that becuz in the last interview you
mentioned that you played more of a production role than most of us was aware
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Ant Banks was good at those drums. He would come up
with some drum patterns, and I would just turníem into songs, or do my own
drum patterns and turníem into songs. It was like nobody really could ďcreateĒ
music with their hands like I did. This is the one thing I be tryiní to get my
homie Banks to realize becuz this is the reason he didnít last in the game.
Banks had mastered this one sound that he was gettingí outta the JD-800
keyboard. He got nice drums, but Banks used the same drums, the same keyboard
sound on every song he done. I been tryiní to tellíem that he gotta mix his
sound up, cuz after a while, as talented as Banks is, it got to the point
where if you heard one of Banksí songs you heardíem all. He had a signature
sound, but it was overwhelming. I just wish he woulda changed up his sound
along the way more, but he got kinda like stuck in a sound that he liked a
lot. In the end, it kinda hindered him cuz it didnít show no growth in his
Dubcnn: Cuz there was definitely a distinct difference between when I would
see Shorty B/Dangerous Crew produced this and then I see Ant Banks produced
this, you had more of that live funk sound, where as Banks had that Mob-style
Yeah, my sound prevailed cuz thatís what Iím liviní on to this day, cuz I do
all kinda shit. But, I know the sound when people ask me for some of that
ďShorty B shit.Ē And Iím finna hit you over the head everytime you ask for it.
And whatís funny is that Jive Records had noticed that sound too, but they
just thought it was Banks. Cuz Banks had a couple good songs here and there,
but I know what they was lookiní forÖit was that shit! And it was me and
Pee-Wee cuz we was the ďliveĒ niggaz. Pee-Wee played everything too!
You know, let me straighten that shit out right now. Pee-Wee played everything
too, but I had already been there doiní it all. I brought Pee-Wee in, so I
look at Pee-Wee as a part of me and what I did with the Dangerous Crew, you
know what Iím sayiní? I look at Pee-Wee as a quarter in that dollar of what I
brought in to the Dangerous Crew, not to mention what I was doiní before then.
To me, after goiní out an playiní, doiní productions and bringiní the music,
and then goiní and gettiní my homie who do just what I do and add him to what
we was doin! Man, that was all me, man, I did that.
Dubcnn: You was the orchestrator.
Yeah! Exactly!.....And the ambassador!! *laughs*
Dubcnn: Let me ask you this. When you were workiní back then as the
collective, The Dangerous Crew, what was the process like when you would get
in the studio? How would things come together?
It was like this. $hort needed Banks cuz Banks knew how to ďengineer.Ē
Dubcnn: How to mix everything downÖ
Riiight! So $hort and Banks had built a certain relationship. Banks can mix
his ass off! Let me just tell you, I wanna say that. That shit was hurtiní me
cuz I love Banks, but I had came to $hort with songs like Cocktales and I
didnít even want Banksí name on my record. I wanted somebody else to mix it
just becuz of Banksí name. Cuz he had the name and I had the sound, but when
you see his name they would try to give him my sound. It would say ďmixedĒ by
Banks, and you would think Banks did that song becuz you saw his name. But it
wasnít Banks. As much as I love Banks, his presence was as much as a help to
me as it was hurting me. They had signed Banks to a 3 album deal, and none of
that shit even went copper. And I didnít want Banks to think it was some
personal shit, but I couldnít help him but so much cuz I knew what was
happeniní. And I was not finna to let you run off with this sound. Cuz I seen
what was happeniní with his albums so I had to really let him do his own shit,
so they would know thatís Banks. This me. So if you got me all over Banksí
shit, Banks gonna ride with that. But Banks ainít telliní these muthafuckaz
this ainít him, it ainít his sound. He ainít gonna tell muthafuckaz that ďthis
ainít really my sound that you heariní. This over here is me, but this right
here, this ainít me.Ē
Just like that song on Ant Banks Album, 4 Tha Hustlaz with 2Pac on it thatís
basically all Shorty B. And the funny this about it, is that they was goiní
back and snatchiní old tracks that they had of me, put it together, and put
that shit out. I didnít get paid for that song. And Iím all over that
muthafucka. I ainít trippiní, but just to let you know that thatís the
situation that was developiní. It was stagnatiní. The love I have for my
homies, but the business we had within our love was really fuckiní me off. For
real! So on alotta Banksí albums I had to kinda, you know, Banks would call,
and if he need me I would go over there, cuz I was there for him. But I tried
to give him 5 feet becuz I knew Jive thought he was somethiní else. I knew why
they had signed him becuz we was hot as hell at that time and it was that
sound we had. I give props where props is due cuz Banks had some nice drum
patterns and Iíd eat those muthafuckaz up! At first I didnít know how to work
a drum machine, but once I got down on one, I didnít need Banks no more. All
need Banks for is the mix as far as the shit I was produciní. Itís like I had
to find a way to get Banks out my pocket. As much as he was helpful to me, he
was hurtiní me at the same time becuz they was tryiní to combine some shit.
What really shoulda happened is that me and Banks shoulda went off and did a
duet album between me and him and set the record straight.
Dubcnn: That woulda been tight!
And I told you that Banks called me a few months ago, and Iím williní to do
that right now! Just to let it be known. I think that shoulda happened. Me and
Banks shoulda did an album, and then we coulda set the record straight and the
world woulda known where the sound was cominí from and who it was attributed
Dubcnn: And thatís a good idea..
Yeah, and Iím more than willing to do that with the homie. Just to do an OG
album, and set the record straight. Cuz Iím a beast, Banks is a beast and
Pee-Wee is a beast. The only reason why Banks couldnít compete with me and
Pee-Wee is becuz we could do everything that he could do, except maybe
engineer. But as far as creatively, we could do evertything Banks could do,
but he couldnít do nothiní. Feel me?
Couldnít do nothiní. He could do the drums, but me & Pee-Wee could play drums,
keyboards and all that other stuff too. And then kill it with whatever ideas
or creativity we wanted to put on it from there. So I think thatís what me and
Banks need to do is go in there and do an album between the 2 of us, me, him
and Pee-Wee would be nice! And then everybody would really understand the
chemistry of it all. Why it worked. You know, Banks got the fat drums, Pee-Wee
funkiní with the keyboard, and I got all that other shit. That would actually
be nice if me, Banks and Pee-Wee could get in the studio and bang one out.
Just let it be known. And call the album, This Is For The Record! *laughs*
Dubcnn: So did you do stuff on Banksí albums Sittiní On Somethiní Phat &
The Big Badass?
You know, you couldnít...donít get me wrong, but couldnít nobody in our crew
do nothiní and not have me on it. Cuz when I came in, my sound is known to the
world for what we do. So if I ainít on it, somethiní gonna be missiní. I canít
remember exactly what I was onÖIím sure Iím on a few songs, but I tried to be
on as less as I possibly could just for the fact that Banks get his shine and
let the world know that thatís his sound right there. That sound.
Dubcnn: So did yíall just get in the studio and start vibiní off each other
and songs would just develop or...
Oh yeah, all the time! We would do that, and sometimes we would just do that
or like I would come in, like I did with Gettiní It I already knew what I was
gonna do. Iím A Player, I already knew it cuz all that Funkadelic shit was
basically the chemistry between Too $hort and $horty B. Cuz we used to ride
around in his Benz and play Funkadeli songs all day long. So I got to give
props to my nigga $hort cuz he definitely funkafied-minded, and I was
funkafied cuz I could bring what he liked, I could play it cuz I already knew
the song. Any song of Funkadelic I could play. I knew the songs. So me $hort
be ridiní around listeniní, and he Ďd say we gonna do this one over. Like we
did with Iím A Player. Me & $hort did that. Thatís one part of the chemistry
that I miss with Too $hort, the fact that we used to ride, sit around smoke
weed and listen to shit to get ideas.
When me & $hort friendship fell off, where that was lackin and we wasnít doiní
that no more, cuz that was the most important part of the Dangerous Crew
career. The fact that Shorty B & Too $hort would, címon now I brought Michael
Hampton from Funkadelic, I mean everybody. 2Pac! I introduced everybody to the
Dangerous Crew. Eddie Hazel, George Clinton, I been fuckiní with George
Clinton for 30 years! They didnít come becuz $hort set it up. They was cominí
cuz they was fuckiní with the homie Shorty B. None them Dangerous Crew cats
knew them Funkadelic cats. They just came through me cuz I was funky. I was a
Funkadelic and I was just a funky-ass nigga that knew everybody that you liked
on the radio! Personally. They was my friends. And wish man, I swear to God, I
think that me & $hort got tight again we could really, especially if $hort
break some bread with meÖnothiní crazy, you know, just break me off like
$300,000 to make it half-way comfortableÖ.and we could ride around and listen
to the songs like we used to do, man. Cuz me & $hort are the Dangerous Crew.
We would just sit around and ride, and then we would bring it to Ant Banks.
And then whatever the idea was, me, Banks and Pee-Wee would take over from
there and bring it to life. But me & $hort would come up with the ideas.
We would just ride for days. $hort would bring cdís and I would bring cdís of
live Funkadelic sessions or whatever, and we would just hear somethiní, and
either we was gonna over play it, or loop it like we did on Sample The Funk
with the Funky Worm from the Cocktales album. Pee-Wee tore the keyboard up on
that one! The reason why songs like that came about, like songs like (sings I
wanna be free..!) from the Ohio Players, thatís becuz Shorty B & Too $hort was
ridiní around vibiní on music and cominí up with ideas. I think that if me and
$hort could get tight like that again, we could probably knock out a 5-million
Dubcnn: Damn, thatíd be nice!
The only thing is that Iím never gonna get $hort to bow down to the chemistry
cuz he got money. So heí like ďfuck it, Iím already cool.Ē But he donít
realize that we are icons in this shit cuz we done did some major shit. Niggaz
is calliní me legendary, you know? I was already the shit, right, before I
even met $hort. I knew I could play. I had been playiní with everybody like
Brent Jones, EU, and lilí bit of everybody . I would really, really, really,
be interested. I wish we could get the Dangerous Crew back together. All of us
cool. And then have all the homies go in on a big olí house with a studio, and
me & $hort go ridiní for Ďbout 4-5 hours just kickiní it and listen to this
shit. And then come back with the ideas . Lilí Jon and all them gotta bow the
fuck down. But it ainít never gonna happen cuz $hort ainít never gonna be man
enough to realize the chemistry and the level of what he had. I donít even
think $hort know what he had to this day. $hort had every bad muthfucka in
Oakland, and all the baddest producers in the whole Bay area up under him. He
didnít know he was a General.
Actually, Iíll take that back. I guess he knew he wasnít a General, but we
kept treatiní him like one. But the whole time he knew he couldnít lead the
pack. He knew he couldnít lead us in the war against the industry. He didnít
know nothiní. He didnít know how. But we thought he did! But fuck it, I know
what did work, and that was me & $hort! Just vibiní on music. We used to spend
alotta time together and throwiní together a great-ass Too $hort album. Could
you imagine if $hort came out with that shit? A good-ass album of about 18
songs with just a bumpiní-ass vintage feel? New flavor! A newness thatís
updated, but itís still that shit that you like! That shit that made you knew
who I was, you know what Iím sayiní Chad? If me & $hort could just sit down
and actually vibe , man. And break some bread, you know, make sure Iím just
comfortable with mine. Make sure I donít need nothiní and I donít wanna put
nothiní in the studio. Every muthafuckiní piece is already in there. And then,
we could actually take over the world. And it breaks my heart cuz I know the
man that $hort is, and I know the man $hort ainít. And I donít think that the
man that $hort is is ever gonna recognize that if he would just bow down and
come off his horse just a lilí bit, all of us actually could get back
together. Itís just that me & $hort got to pick out the right songs. Itís that
stop takiní beats from niggaz thing. We donít need beats from niggaz. We need
to go in there and make them records like we used to do, and sayiní that was
You know, Chad, and I want you to put this shit out there and let the world
read it. Iím gettiní alotta comments from that first interview and ainít
nobody got at me sayiní nothiní bad about it. They liked it. They really
acknowledged it. You just wanna give it toíem man cuz it donít look like none
of the other homies is gonna give it to you. Alotta homies that was in this
Dangerous Crew shit probably ainít giviní a fuck about the Dangerous Crew cuz
it was just a fad to them in their life. But to me, itís some vintage shit
that we created. Me, $hort, Ant Banks and Pee-Wee. Just vintage, you know? And
I wish that the 4 of us could actually come together, split up a million
dollars, like $250,000 a piece or somethiní. Itís funny that I gotta keep
mentioniní money, but thatís the only way these cats is really gonna make it
happen. Cuz ainít none of us goiní in no studio fuckiní with $hort on some
love no more. We not gonna do that. We love you, but we already know ainít
nobody gonna eat showiní much love to you. From us just loviní you $hort,
niggaz canít eat from that. And you donít show love back, homie, from the
money side period. So if we had some money and could go in there and divide up
a million dollars, man, we could go in there and knock out about 5 albums,
dog. And I guarantee all 5 ofíem would do 2-3 a piece! Maybe 5 when we catch
on one. And that is somethiní I would really, really give my all to contribute
to. I would love to see that happen.
I was glad to hear Ant Banks called me a couple months ago. I would love to do
anything to make that happen, but I know that if it come down to beiní on $hort
itís gonna end up beiní fucked up. Ainít nobody gonna wanna fuck with him cuz
$hort big, be canít generate no money for nobody else. I wish it would happen,
but me knowiní the real and knowiní these cats when they donít know their
self, it ainít never gonna happen, dog. So, I guess I wanna send out a R.I.P.
to the Dangerous Crew. Itís gonna lay dead cuz the homie ainít gonna do what
heís supposed to do. Wonít bow down to the chemistry, and then he canít
generate the money to give us the inspiration to just go in there and knock it
out. $hort ainít really gotta be there. All me and $hort gotta do is go vibe
on some music. Then let me take it back to the studio and create it, let Ant
Banks put a nice 808 on it. He ainít even gotta do that cuz I can put some
drums on it. But that ainít the Dangerous Crew without Ant Banksí sound. Ant
Banksí sound lethal! You know, we want all that. Pee-Wee, Ant Banks and for it
to just say us! Not Shorty B, not Pee-Wee, not Banks, not $hort. THE DANGEROUS
CREW! A collaborational effort amongst the 4 of us. We were the Dangerous
Crew, 2nd generation. That actually became bigger than the first generation.
But it wouldnít have done that if the first generation hadnít done what it
done. Much respect due to them. Much respect to, um, my boy, you know I just
got through telliní you that Ant Diddley Dog served him and I forgot to save
his number in my phone, but heíll probably be calliní me again in a day or two
cuz I told him about you and have you interview him. But I think Ant Diddley
can probably tell you about a certain era because he didnít live it. He didnít
last long enough with what we did and what we accomplished over the years. But
for the period he was in, it was a great period! And it would probably be
exciting to hear what he got to say.
Dubcnn: It would awesome! As a matter of fact, the next time you talk to
Yeah, I was telliní him about you and actually, he brought the interview up to
me. He had read it, or somebody had told him about it, or something like that.
Thereís one thing Iíma tell you, Chad. Some cats would rather the truth be
hidden forever so they can go on with their life. And then some cats have a
problem with it. I donít give a fuck about neither one of them cuz thatís how
I live. Iím gonna tell the truth cuz I canít live but by the truth. So when
you hear some shit come outta my mouth you can be sure, homie, that itís 100%
Dubcnn: Yeah, and the next time you talk to Ant Diddley, man, give him my
number and tell him to give me a holla and weíll set somethiní up! Cuz I know
thereís alotta cats out here that would like to hear from Ant Diddley cuz we
ainít heard from him in years!
Right! And itís funny that you mention all these names like Dangerous Dame,
Pooh-Man, Mr. ILL and so on. Did you know that all them cats out there came to
Myrtle Street, where we was recordiní, tryiní to get on? From Pooh to Del the
Funky Homosapien, all of them used to come by and holla at us, man. And if $hort
just had that business mind he coulda had the whole city signed to him.
Everybody wanted to fuck with him. But after you met $hort, you kinda realized
and had that ďI donít knowĒ sense about him. There was gonna be no business
jumpiní off, no real solid business. But $hort woulda just had that
ďbig-businessĒ mind he coulda been bigger than Hammer! He lasted longer than
Hammer, but he wasnít bigger.
Dubcnn: Going back to Ant Diddley, did you have much involvement with
Rappiní Ron and Ant Diddley Dogís music?
Yeah, I just canít remember the songs. Any thing that came outta Dangerous
Crew, me, Banks & Pee-Wee basically put it together. Solo projects, I gaveíem
5 feet. But anything Dangerous Crew I was involved with. You know, cuz I was
the music, you feel me? I gotta actually get that album cuz Iím sure that Iím
on a few songs, but itís just been so long that I donít remember which ones.
As a matter of fact, I wish I could get that album cuz I would love to have
it. That Rappiní Ron and Ant Diddley.
Dubcnn: Well check this out then. This is what we gonna do, Shorty B...
Dubcnn: Iím gonna come down to Atlanta one dayÖ
Dubcnn: And Iím gonna bring ALL my shit with meÖ
Dubcnn: And Iím gonna let you listen to it and go through it, and vibe,
reminisce or whatever you wanna do, and Iím gonna do a LIVE interview with
Sounds good, dog. That sounds real good. As a matter of fact, you can put at
the end of this one, cuz itís Part 2 and I gotta lotta shit Iím saviní so Iíma
do one more interview with you and Iím gonna put it all the way on the front
line. Itís gonna be so cold. And itís gonna be about the transformation from
the end of Dangerous Crew to what Shorty Bís doiní now. So you can tellíem the
next and final episode is gonna be live! You gonna see it come out Shorty Bís
Dubcnn: Ok, Ok. Thatís gonna be tight! Now, you brought up Pooh-man. And I
gotta ask, cuz everybody wanna know, what happened between Dangerous Crew and
Yeah, yeah, yeah...my man kinda fell out with $hort, you know what Iím sayiní?
Just kinda rubbed $hort the wrong way. He had a lilí mouth on him. I had a
lilí incident with Pooh-man myself. He was pretty cool though, even after that
incident. We worked that shit out, it was cool. Pooh-Man was like a
east-Oakland mascot youngster *laughs*. So he was wild, and didnít really
think before he spoke, or none of that shit. But he had a good side on the
other side, but it was more of complications of men. Some not as manly as
others. It just came down to some cats just ainít gonna get along. Like Fatha
Dom. I remember one time we was gettiní off the plane, Fatha Dom punched $hort
in the back of his head, tryiní to tear his jaw off. I ainít gonna get into
too much of it, but it was just lilí shit like that, man. But see, I was 10
years older than all these cats, so I was on some other mature shit. Itís like
some shit I wouldnít do, like I couldnít get involved in a peanut fight on the
airplane with you. Iím too old for that and itís actually embarassiní that
yíall asses is doiní it but thatís how the homies would get down sometimes.
Dubcnn: Now, we talkiní about 12-15 years ago now. What about any
unreleased Dangerous Crew material? Is there any of that out there?
$hort got tons of it. We did so many songs, man, between me, Pee-Wee, and
Banks, that I would imagine $hort got enough material for about 4 or 5 more
Dangerous Crew albums.
Dubcnn: Well, damn! So, when you gonna get me some of that unreleased shit?
Actually, what I need to do, cuz I know I got plenty of it, and I got about 5
shoe boxes full of cassettes with tons of shit oníem. And I just bought a
cassette-to-CD burner, and as a matter of fact I just made a CD of about 30
songs on it with some old vintage shit on it, and itís gonna take me about 2
weeks to a month to go through these tapes and find it and put it on cd. I
know I got some shit with 2Pac, $hort and all kind of shit. So, I dunno how
long itís gonna be before you come up, but Iíll trade off some shit to you
that like, you need to have, and I just made a CD of a bunch of vintage shit.
And itís a coincidence that you brought that up, cuz Iím already on it. I was
thinkiní about actually puttiní some of this shit out, cuz nobody got it but
me. Cuz some of these masters, I know $hort donít have any idea what some of
this shit is. And I wouldnít be surprised if Pee-Wee got alotta shit too.
Dubcnn: Well, we gonna keep in touch on this, and schedule it out and
figure it out and Iíma get down there with all my shit, and you gonna get all
your shit, and we gonna trade back and forth. Thatís how we gonna do it.
Yeah! We just gonna sit down and give each other what the other donít have. As
a matter of fact, what me and you need to do is get together and put out some
muthafuckiní vintage Dangerous crew, vintage Shorty B CDís!
Dubcnn: We can do that!
Cuz I donít care how anybody feels about it cuz none of this shit woulda never
got heard if we donít do what we do. And alotta this shit is still big, and
got big fans that would love to hear this shit. Not only that, but it would be
some great shit for producers to sample from.
Dubcnn: Iíll tell you what, man. Within about a week to 2 weeks of that we
did that first interview, there was close to 500 hits of people readiní that
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Damn, ainít that somethiní?!
Dubcnn: So, the demand is out there. We just ainít got the supply.
Thatís what Iím sayiní. We got enough material to actually get some of these
cdís out there where it reminds people and strikes up their interest in the
crew to where it might even wake $hort up to be like, Ďwe need to do another
record!í cuz theyíll go crazy.
Dubcnn: Thatís why Iím doiní this and reachiní out. Cuz, I know Iím just a
lilí guy, a fan in all this, but Dangerous Crew music is what I love, and I
donít know nobody in the industry, but I been wantiní to find out about itÖ
I know just about everybody in the industry pretty much, so me and you just
got to get together and put what we got and mix it down a lilí bit and start
creatiní some CD covers for Volume 1, Volume 2, Volume 3 and whatever and put
it out, man! Cuz ainít nobody got this shit but us, and ainít nobody thinkiní
about the Dangerous Crew, if any Dangerous Crew, but us!
Dubcnn: Exactly! Exactly! We gonna do that then!
And I wanna say this before I close. Watch all my niggaz come out the wood
work when this shit blow up. Actiní like they was a part of it. But they
didnít give a fuck about the Dangerous Crew. I got the tattoo of the Dangerous
Crew on my arm, the Donít Try This At Home album cover on my arm. Iím the one
that got it when I came back from L.A., and showed it to Banks, and Banks was
like, ĎIím finna to get one of those!í Ainít nobody get no Dangerous Crew
tattoo, but Shorty B! Read between the lines.
Well it was good talkiní with you again, man
Yeah it was good talkiní with you, man. I wanna say a shout out to all my
fans, and I got your response from the first interview and it was all positive
cuz the truth always is. I wanna thank everybody for tappiní in with you, and
I hope you like the 2nd edition of the interview, and the 3rd edition which
will be the last and final part of this interview will be in person, live on
video, with me and the big homie Chad, you know, so stay tuned cuz I got
alotta shit that needs to be, like whatís up?
Dubcnn: Cool, man I appreciate that. Go ahead and throw a shout out to
DUBCNN on there too!
Yeah! I wanna send a shout out to my folks DUBCNN and the big homie Chad, you
know what Iím sayiní, for tappiní in with the homie Shorty B, OG, you know the
status, multi-platinum as I can be, you know what Iím sayiní? Still doiní my
thing. Iím still doiní it! Iím actually in the process of workiní with Kane,
of the Ying Yang Twins. Iím actually prepariní his solo album right now. I did
3 songs again with Gipp. I already did 3 songs last week and he tookíem all
and got Nelly rappiní on 2 ofíem. I may have the single and I know I got quite
a few songs on Gippís, and maybe The Lunatics. Iím tryiní to make Nelly reach
out to me, so keep your head up and Iím about to holla at Too $hort and see
where his head at. Maybe we can smoke one and come to an agreement about some
sort of paper and try to catch our vibe back, man. You know what Iím sayiní,
this shit is legendary, you know? I wanna think everybody for tuniní in to
DUBCNN, the OG Shorty B, and tune in for the last episode of this interview
cuz you gonna love it! One Love.
Dubcnn: Cool, man, I appreciate it, again. And I look forward to the 3rd
edition live with you down in Atlanta.
Yes sir, done deal! Call me, Iím just a phone call away.
Dubcnn: Aight...later man
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