SPIDER LOC (April 2005) | Interview By:  Nima

      Dubcnn.com once again brings you the best in-depth interviews around. We sat down with G-Unit West's first signee Spider. In this hour long conversation, the South Central rapper told us about his days on Death Row and his relation with Suge, hooking up with 50 Cent & G-Unit, what's up between him and Game, his album "West Kept Secret" and what do expeect from it, what happened between him and Bad Azz and the Las Vegas beatdown, aswell as Daz, DJ Quik, and so much more. We have both the transcript and the audio for you to check and please feel free to send any feedback regarding the interview to: nima@dubcnn.com


Huge thanks to Spider Loc for taking time out to answer the questions fans wanted to know! (Interview was done by phone in April 2005)

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dubcnn.com: We're here with Spider. For those who don't know you, introduce yourself to everybody, let us know who you are, where you're from and what you're about!

Aight I'm from Los Angeles, California, from the Eastside of South Central. As well I'm from G-Unit, at the same time from East Coast Crip. What I'm about is, actually, I'm with this music. When it comes to music, I'm in love with poetry. I got a real powerful gift of poetry, and that's what actually got me involved in rap all my life, it's the poetry side of it.

It just so happens that in 2005, or even before, leading up to 2005, I realized that the rap game is dying to hear the most true street story connected with the best talent when it comes to tellin' it. And even when it comes to history, and making history, that's being reserved to the person with the most talent. And the truest street story. And I'm being convinced and understood, that this person has been myself a long time. So basically, I'm about exposing that to the world.



dubcnn.com: You've got a good buzz going right now, after you became part of G-Unit, but tell us about Spider before G-Unit. You were a Death Row Records artist...

Well, I've never actually been a Death Row artist, but I've been exploited as a Death Row artist, based on me and Suge Knight making an attempt to a deal together, and it turned into a 2 year period of association, based upon me meeting him, spitting 16 bars, him being fresh outta prison for the first time, and telling me basically based on those 16 bars that he's willing to give me a deal and he wanted to make me part of his 2nd Dynasty. So immediately, we pursued, we moved on to "I was a part of his label".

But from Day 1 and to this day, we never actually had a deal together. So it's always something that was supposed to happen or going to happen, and he took the liberty upon hisself to put me in photo shoots, put me in the magazines, and then when the magazines would come out, naturally the editors think Spider Loc is a signed artist. He had me on his website. He only had one production that was actually released during that period of time, which was the Dysfunktional Family Soundtrack, I did quite a bit of work on that. So I was kind of stigmatized as a Death Row artist officially, but it never took place.



dubcnn.com: Tell us a little bit about your time there and your relationship with Suge Knight.

The time over there man, I got good and bad out of it. My relationship with Suge is a relationship I would have with any older Blood from Los Angeles that I came across. There was nothing negative between us, we had a mutual respect and understanding. My relationship stands at the point that at the end of the 2 years, I had realized that I was steady going around when I made network moves or when I did associations with other people. I explained to him my situation that I hadn't signed, and I realized that it wasn't really believed and that my association with Death Row was becoming a negative.

And when I was not making any progress, I was broke over there, I wasn't eating, and so the night of the B.E.T. Awards last year, I bust into Suge in traffic. And I follow him back to the office, the Death Row office, and I got at him on the conversation, I got at him like "Yo, it's becoming a negative for me to be associated with you, and I ain't been eating over here, and as far as my business and my future and my career man, I need to kill that association. So he was like "Oh ok yeah I understand" and he told me he'd take my name off his website, my pictures and shit. He was like "Aight fo sho fo sho I'ma have them do it, I would never try to hold no nigga like you down. Not no real nigga! I woulda been put you on right, but my shit just ain't right over here. I wouldn't sign you to this shit over here, it ain't right. I'll sign these weenies all day and keep them twisted up, and turning the water off and on on them, but not you, you my nigga man. This shit bigger than rap. If you need anything let me know. I don't give a fuck where you eat at man. This rap shit ain't nothin."

So that's the understanding we had, that's what I left with, and shortly there after, I just happened to meet the G-Unit cats! So that declaration has been put to test, and I crossed his path plenty of times, I got G-Unit tattoo'd on the back of my hands, I've popped up at his office quite a few times, to clear certain lil issues, and as we communicated to me, he had nothin' but congratulations, positive thangs, trying to give me advice. He tells me if I need any help to holla at him. There was a certain period of time before I actually got my done deal with G-Unit / Interscope, there was a rumor going around that Suge was making communications with Interscope saying that he had paperwork on me! So after that I popped up at his office quite a few times trying to see what was happening with that! And he repeatedly steadily repeated to me that he never made any statement like that. He said the only time he did speak to somebody at Interscope, he let them know he ain't had no paperwork on me, and he tried to prove it to me in so many different ways.

So I'll leave it at that, that it was a rumour, cause were actually able to proceed with any interference. So that was a rumour. So as far as I'm concerned, that's my nigga, that's a nigga I know, a Blood nigga from out here that I got, we don't got no problems, we cool!



dubcnn.com: So your relationship with Suge is not a problem for 50.

No, not at all!



dubcnn.com: When I spoke to 50, he told me he hooked up with you through Young Buck. How did you hook up with Buck?

In Atlanta, Georgia! I was actually in Atlanta taking care of some shit, that wasn't music related. And I had the opportunity to be in the same hotel room as Young Buck based on the fact that my brother Big Spider was kinda associated with some cats that was associated with Buck. And why we were in Atlanta, these cats that my brother knew they came from Tennessee to come hang with me, so subsequently the next day, Buck flew from Chicago into Atlanta to deal with these same cats. And we all hooked up in the same room. So I was able to get at him, and as a matter of fact soon as he walked in the room, he pointed at me like "I remember you from Death Row!" cause Buck himself had spent some time over there dealing with Death Row when Juvenile was over there. And he remembered me from there, I didn't quite remember him but we both talked about some shit we started remembering.

He had never actually heard me perform, as a matter of fact Young Buck appeared on the Dysfunktional Family Soundtrack aswell, which is quite ironic. So I went into an Accapella for him, spitting. Before I could finish he jumped up, starting grabbing me in a headlock, like "MAN! You ain't got no deal? That's bullshit!". He said "I ain't never heard nothin' like that! Them just words! How you move me with words like that! Ain't nobody ever move me wit no words like that!" And shortly after that, he was scheduled to shoot "Shorty Wanna Ride" video in Los Angeles, and he had two days of shooting schedule, which was followed up by the third day, which was our Summer Jam at the Forum in Ingelwood. So I met up with him and I came to the video shoot and I was standing in front of 50,and I did the same thing! I did a Accapella spit, and right after rapping for 50 Accapella, he offered me the deal! I had it that day! He was like "It's on! What you wanna do?"

He was scheduled to go overseas the week after that for shows. We spent some time that day and the day after that, we spent more time conversin'. The third day I saw him at the Summer Jam, I was able to be back stage, watch him and Banks and Buck appearing on stage and do they thang. I was in the back of the stage with Whoo Kid just standing there with alotta other guys from Tennessee, just standing there. And during the most controversial song of the show, "What Up Gangsta!", that the police had adviced him not to perform, otherwise they were in threat of being arrested, based on our gang situation out there, cause we were in a highly gang active area at the Forum. They advised him not to do that song. And right before he did that song, he let the crowd be aware of that threat. During the middle of that song, Young Buck came to the back of the stage, grabbed me, put his arm around me, walked me to the front of the stage, and told me when they get back from overseas, we gone make this right.

While he was overseas, like 40 some days, I musta had like 8 or 9 conversations with him over the phone, and those 8 or 9 probably totaled about 50 hours. In those 50 hours I probably did like a hour of talking. I appreciated that communication so much, just based on the position he was in right now in life, and as arrogant and conceited of a person he is, he is just about as arrogant and conceited as I am. I would never expect him to humble himself down to communicate to me in the matter that he did. So I appreciated his caracter out the gate. When he came back from overseas he did just what he said, he made it right. Before I ever signed a deal, I was able to go on the Straight Outta Cashville tour, with Young Buck, I did 40 shows, I was paid $400 a piece just for standing behind Buck and hype him up to songs I didn't even know the words to! I got paid at the end of the tour so it was a chunk of a check, before I was obligated or nothin!



dubcnn.com: So how do you feel about alotta people calling 50 a snitch, like Yukmouth and all them?

Let me tell you something. A snitch. If you know somebody that snitched, you gotta have some kind of paperwork to prove that he snitched. Somebody went to jail and did some time. The paperwork that I saw, that was supposedly referring to the snitch situation, I know there are two ways it could be looked at. Nobody can show my nigga's signature on no restraining order, or no request of no protection.

When police are called out to an incident when somebody was harmed, then there's gonna be an order of protection placed by the police department, just in case something happens. My nigga's a G homie, who did he snitch on? I'm trying to figure it out!



dubcnn.com: I just know that ever since 50 been out, it's been people calling him a snitch..

Yeah it's alotta people they talked about Jesus Christ, they said he was a million negative things, and not one of them was true. I don't think twice about that snitch shit homie. If a niggas a snitch homie, it's gonna be able to be explained on the way the streets look at it. I do this, I run a whole neighborhood, so I done had plenty situation where this nigga was called a snitch, and that nigga was brought to the table behind snitch, and we got certain codes we go by. I know niggaz right now that walk these streets that everybody call a snitch, but ain't nobody seen no paperwork, so you can call them what you wanna call them.



dubcnn.com: What's your relationship with Game?

Oh.. uhm...


dubcnn.com: Do you have one?

Man... To be honest with you.. It seems like every since I signed with G-Unit, I haven't... We had a relationship up until that point. I don't know if [the signing] has anything to do with it or if it's just ironic, but we are associates. We never had any negative incidents. But it's just like the communication is zero. It's very very little, and I did not initiate that. I knew Game prior to him signing to G-Unit.

I met Game at the Aaliyah "Miss U" video shoot, when the DMX segment was shot in Los Angeles. I was there with an associate of mine that was there with the Ruff Ryder cats, and then Game was there independently, just knowing that that was going down. And DMX had us battle! So we battled and whatever, and after the battle, we exchanged numbers and became partners! So we got the point where we holla'd at each other every now and then, he been to my house in Tragnew Park hood, he slid me beats so I could get on something with him.



dubcnn.com: Yeah you had that song!

We had that song "Woozy" but that was after this period of time, the beats he gave me back then, we never did nothing with. But yeah, before he signed to G-Unit we had that song aswell, that Woozy song. But it was like I'd go over there and shit. One time, I was going some place, and I had a pistol but I didn't have no shells for my pistol! I went through my phonebook callin' a gang of niggaz askin' for shells, Crip niggaz, cause that's who I communicate with on the most regular, my niggaz that run in my same circle. So what happened was, nobody had the shells, or they had the shells and they couldn't put they hand on them, they wasn't at home, or at the spot.

I looked over Game's name quite a few times.. This is like September 2003, September 7th, I know it so well because where I was going to was the Hood Day I'm from 97th Street. Every 9th month, 7th day of the year, every year, so I remember how I was dressed and everything. I had all blue on, blue shoestrings and all that. Eventually I just said fuck it, let me hit Game up. I said "Game, I need some shells, for my 38!" He was like "Nah I ain't got no 38 Shells, but I got a Glock 9 and a 45 in the hood." He's like "I'm in the valley right now, but if you need it, I can send you to it." So he sent me to this place where it was 9 bloods, 9-10 Bloods in one spot, with all red on, between the ages 18 and 30. They flamed up, and they showed me plenty of respect, I got what I came for, and at that point, our relationship became in my mind a solid one! Because we met real casually through a rap battle, we spoke a couple times since then, and I took a chance after hittin' a whole lotta other cats to hit him for that, and in mind he looked out for me!

So we started communicating, and it got to the point where, I knew that I knew alotta people that didn't like him at all. And they was bloods. They had alotta conversations about doin' something to him, or getting at him. And I find myself out here in these L.A. streets defending him alot, just verbally and lettin' niggaz know that if they do somethin' like that in that direction, I got somethin' to do with that too. So alotta pressure was kept up off him based off the fact that I was associated with him. Certain Crip niggaz in this music business that be politickin' on some other shit, was on his line for certain reasons, just trying to see what they could go, and I would always put myself in between that. But he never helped me one time in this music shit to advance my situation. Not one time.

When his homeboy 4Cent died, that morning, he called me on the phone, he told me about it, he told me he needed to speak to me, he needed to breathe on me. So I went to his spot where it was 40 Bloods at, and I was invited to that, and we chopped it up on a level like that, so in my mind, like I'm trying to let you know, I thought that he was my dogg, or I figured we had a tight relationship. As well, I never asked him for nothin', like "Hey, can you take this song here" or anything like that of that nature. And at the same time, he never attempted to do anything of that nature.

I watched him go from bein' on Aftermath and his situation. He kind of felt the same way about bein' on Aftermath as I felt about bein' at Death Row at that time. Both frustrated, quite frustrated. Only thing was he was signed and committed, and I wasn't. But he was making statements like "I don't care if I get dropped tomorrow, Puffy gone sign me." So I knew that he had been around on that industry level more than me, cause he'd say those names so familiarly. He had been and did certain things outside of rap, I believe like in the modeling field that had kinda got him associated in that.. He knew a couple of basketball cats, and I realized that he was circulating on a certain level, and he would always make statements like he was frustrated with the Aftermath situation "I don't care if I get dropped tomorrow, Puffy would sign me." So I was aware of the situation from a distance, before I really became aware of it.

I remember the moment he signed to G-Unit, I remember how happy he was, for a certain period of time. I remember that change in him, very quickly. I didn't know why or whatever. But, then it became one day, I was sittin' in a room with Young Buck, 50, Banks. And he walked in and saw me in that room, he didn't know I was going to be there. That's how little bit of involvement he had in my situation gettin' [the deal], and I always got the impression from him, without ever making any effort to try to get him to help me with my situation, just in general, he would give me the impression that that wasn't no place I was gonna be... or I'm not the type of guy they would want to have over there... And when his situation pops he would be able to do this, or do that... Although I never sought after this type of conversation with him, he would just naturally bring it up. So when I actually met these cats, it makes me wonder why we've never been just walked in! Specially when him and me met battlin'! So you could actually talk to DMX about how that went, I'm not gonna say nothin' about that, talk to him about it. I just don't understand why he'd act like that. But even then, I didn't act like there was somethin' between us.

And until the last time he was on 106&Park, where he said my name, show me where you saw any type of promotion of Spider, from Game. We had just so happened spoke that morning, while he was at 106 & Park about to take the stage, and I had actually spoke to him about what was happening with the G-Unit, cause he had named everybody's name except mine. So first some of my homegirls made communications with him about it, at a autograph signing, and the way he communicated back to them caused me to go to the autograph signing on Rosecrans and Century, in Westside Piru Hood. I went up there trying to holla at him, just trying to figure out why the communication came back in the fashion it did. So I guess the next time he appeared on 106 & Park, I was actually in Miami, he was in New York at the set, he called me. He said there was gonna be a difference this time. So he went on stage, and he said my name, and he didn't say nobody else's name.

So actually when all the shit hit the fan with him and the homie Fif', he gave me a phone call, and attempted to separate me from them, with his energy, the way he felt about them. You know, I understand the pressure that was on him, I just pray for the kid and hope for all the best for him. I just hope that the negative shit that was going on around his career right now, I hope he advances from that stage and ends up doing well, as well as he started off doing.



dubcnn.com: When do you think we're going to see Spiders record on G-Unit?

If not before the end of the year, I'ma kick the next year off, first quarter no doubt. Trying to get it out 4th Quarter, but realistically, 1st Quarter might be more probable.



dubcnn.com: Do you have a title for it yet?

"West Kept Secret".


dubcnn.com: Are you going to go with the club lead single with the big name features or are you gonna keep it gutter on your record?

To be honest with you, the features is gonna be my niggaz: G-Unit. That's all. I might outside do features for hooks, outside of rappers, I've been fucking with Kokane quite a bit lately.


dubcnn.com: Oh for real?

Yeah, as a matter of fact, he made Tony Yayo's album!


dubcnn.com: Kokane did?

I don't know if I'm even supposed to tell you that. They flew him out to New York, he got down. I haven't heard the song yet, but I talked to Yayo and Sha Money, Banks and Fif' and they lovin' it, they said he got down hard.


dubcnn.com: What can we expect from your record lyrically and musically?

You can expect the best of lyrics. You can expect... It's the West Kept Secret man, I don't wanna tell you the scenery before it's time. It's gonna be whatever you can imagine that title can embody. Whatever the West Kept Secret can be. Better than anything that done came on this side, no doubt. We gone keep it regional with the claim to fame, but I'm gonna let the world tell you how good it really is. I'ma tell you, over here, you ain't heard nothin' like it. I promise you this. It's divine, I ain't got no control over it, it's been wanting to come out for a long time. It was saved for a time like this, to be dealt with by the best man in the game. Cause ain't nobody out there that done did it, doin' it. No nigga, no black nigga from the ghetto fuckin' wit rap, put it down like 50. So couldn't nobody but 50 handle me. And my situation. It had to be the boss of bosses.


dubcnn.com: What kinda producers can we expect you to work with?

You know... I'm dealin' with all the typical producers that the G-Unit camp is familiar with. Everybody you're used to hear from Hi-Tek, in-house cats, you know who we got over there in the cut. But just subsequently so you know, I turned in 26 songs before I could get any type of help from 50 or anybody. I turned in one song without a hook, and 50 jumped on that immediately, so we got a banger together. Me and Buck was in the studio together, so he ended up on like 3 hooks for me. So we got 26 songs right now, and we just still recording, doin' whatever, doin' what we do, havin' a ball with this shit. This shit is just too easy.


dubcnn.com: Will we see you fuckin' wit people like Battlecat, DJ Quik and them?

You won't see me fuckin' wit DJ Quik. I'ma let it be known man. The same Summer Jam I was tellin' you about where Buck walked me to the front of the stage and all that. All my life growing up, I had respect for Quik, even on the underground mixtapes where he was dissin', because as a MC, I always heard the clever side of what he was sayin'. I grew up on his music, always gave him his props. When I was out of town and Id be asked who's really from the streets, he's a nigga I'd always include, just because of the fact that I got first cousins that's Bloods and I know what kinda corners he came from. Whether he was a hard ra-ra nigga or not, that's irrelevant. But for the fact that his association really was where he was bloodin', before he got a record deal, that's the truth.

So I always was straight when I spoke on the nigga. Ain't no nigga out here claimin' the West Coast or L.A. I couldn't tell you about, what it is, if it's really there or not, I don't care who it is. Anybody who's from Los Angeles, they know Spider, or they know somebody that know Spider. I promise you. You either know me or you know somebody that knows me. That's just how it is, before the deal, before any rap publicity, that's just how my name is out here.

So anyway, back to what I was talkin' about. What was I sayin'?



dubcnn.com: DJ Quik...

Yeah! DJ Quik, you won't hear me with Quik, because of that Summer Jam shit. I always liked his shit, but we was backstage, right before you get in. I already had my wristband on to let me go in, V.I.P. And we was kinda deep, we would get the wristbands, and pass them to homies at the gate so they could get in. Subsequently, Kam, West Coast Kam, Watts Up Kam, Peace Treaty Kam, he was at the gate. And they wouldn't let Kam in! They were like "Ain't nobody named Kam on the list".



dubcnn.com: You talkin' about the Summer Jam in L.A. this year?

Yeah.


dubcnn.com: I was there! I was there with Squeak Ru.

Yeah, I was there, you didn't see G-Unit perform?


dubcnn.com: I saw it real quick I missed most of the performance though, I was backstage I didn't really get to see too much of the show.

You walked in from the back though?


dubcnn.com: Yeah.

Okay well you know exactly what I'm talkin' about then, what scene I'm trying to paint. Quik was walkin' in that line, and Kam was out there on that side street behind the other gate. And I see Quik goin' in I tell him like, real respectful, "Whatup Quik? They won't let Kam in! They won't let Kam in!" He's like "Kam Kam?" I'm like "Yeah!" So he looks, he sees where Kam is at, he's like "Oh", you know you gotta zig zag in the line to get there. So he went down where I couldn't really talk to him, and when he came back up again, I'm like "Quik! What's up? They won't let Kam in!" He like "Oh man, I gotta see about gettin' me in.." So I was like "Oh, that's how we do it on the West? Kam a legend my nigga! He legend like you! You ain't gone holla out for Kam" and he seemed like he didn't give a fuck.

So I started bangin' on him real hard, cuzzin' him a whole lot, sayin' my name, I was talkin' to him face to face, makin' sure spit was comin' out when I said my T's and my P's, I let him know he was a hoe ass mark ass nigga, cause he wouldn't speak up for Kam. And I know about some lil weird shit he did with Kam back when they did a song together with Erick Sermon. I knew the direction the song was going in, the way he called Kam to come get on the song, and then once the shit hit the fan, the way he played it like Kam came and did that on his own, and he was independent of it, and he unified with the person that was upset about the song, and left Kam out there in the wind... But I wasn't trippin' at it cause Kam wasn't trippin'. But then when I witnessed how he shitted on Kam outside the Summer Jam, nahhhh you won't hear him on my record!



dubcnn.com: Oh okay.. What about other West Coast producers?

Oh well I met with Battlecat about a week ago, and he supposed to be gettin' some shit together for me. I lost my phone about two days ago, and my phonebook went from 400 and somethin' numbers to 20. So I got a message on my voice mail to let people know, I don't know who is who so you gotta leave a message, so hopefully it'll start buildin' back up. But I met with 'Cat the other day, he's a likely suspect. But the only West Coast producer I got right now fo sho, is a young unheard cat named Cotee, he got that undeniable shit that you just can't deny.

But really, I'm not trying to produce a West Coast album. I'm a world wide type of individual. My character is too round to try to fit in into a West Coast spot. That's what makes me the West Kept Secret. So we got some shit over here... I actually prefer to find producers that are not from out here, cause I don't wanna be put into no box of roll & skate Crip Walk music, cause that's not the type of poetry that I produce. I produce world wide poetry, so I need my music to have worldwide sound. I can't hide I'm from West Coast! You hear it in my voice, and my demeanor, you gone get that out the gate! I want you to see what else comes with it, that's what I push. The shit you don't expect.



dubcnn.com: I know you had an altercation in the past with Bad Azz... Now that the Dogg Pound are putting their problems aside and are getting together again, could you see yourself hooking up with Bad in future?

You know... I ain't no nigga that's hating on nothin' positive.. But like, I ain't seeking or looking to hook up with none of them niggaz. The shit with Bad Azz, it's kinda like where he took the loss. It was bad for him. I ain't goin' around lookin' for no revenge. I ain't lookin' to bump into Bad Azz or do nothin' to him.



dubcnn.com: Did you have a personal beef with Bad or was it just because of the Death Row beef?

I had a personal beef with him.


dubcnn.com: From what he told me, a friend of his introduced you to him, and you were trying to get put on, and he didn't put you on and that's why you were mad or something...

Okay, it's something similar to that. It was more to it than just a friend of his. It was like more of a family associate of his, that I promised a automobile to. And the dude came and got at him and said "Fuck that trunk, if you just get my nigga the time and a listen" and he was trying to pull some strings. And that was outside of me even being present or being aware that this was takin' place. This was these two niggaz communicating on they own. At the time, imagine a nigga ready to trade a truck for me to get a shot! This is a nigga I was real close to. He's the godfather of my daughter and I'm likewise to his, this is a nigga I really fuck wit.

So he was doin' all this communication with dude [Bad Azz], before he even let me know that that was in the air. This is a nigga who would tell me about Bad Azz before Bad Azz ever got a deal. That's how close they was. We was in prison, he was trying to let me know who Bad Azz was. Anyway, by the time I finally got a chance to get out and he told Bad Azz that bullshit, he got at me like "I told Bad this and he was like "cool" he respect that, whoo whoo he wanna see you". So by the time I finally got a chance to meet the dude, it just so happened to be in the middle of the night, the nigga who introduced us gave me a phone call like "Dude said for you to come through right now!" I was elsewhere, way on the Westside, I didn't have a chance to go grab no music, so what I did was, try to respect dude, he's established, so I shot to wherever he lived, met him in the middle of the street late night.

Now this nigga tells me, he don't wanna hear me rap accapella! Because he can't tell if I'm worth fuckin' with if he don't know if I can make a song! And it turned up to this nigga givin' me a hour of muthafuckin' lecture on the industry, where he told me "Ain't no such thing as Bad Azz", he is Jamarr, Bad Azz is somebody he created, and he wakes him up every morning, kick him in the ass and make him go get his money. He explains to me how niggaz in this game don't do nothin' for niggaz, Snoop don't got nothin' for me, Snoop don't give me nothin', what I did was create a situation where niggaz fuck wit you. He told me all this old Hollywood ass shit, and wouldn't listen to me rap cause I didn't have any material to play! I was about to just start rappin' out the blue, but I kinda felt right then that the dude couldn't be of no help to me. So I felt that he didn't even deserve to be blessed with hearin' my poetry. So I sat there and let him get his whole hour of spill off, about the industry, and I never wanted to talk to dude again.

But what put the icing on the cake was, some months later, I'm reading a Source Magazine, and I know plenty of people probably read this before, and it won't be hard to research, he was givin' a interview to the Source Magazine and they asked him how did he get in the game, and he said, he bumped into Snoop outside of a Barbershop..



dubcnn.com: And he rapped for him accapella...

Yeah! He rapped for him accapella! And that's how he got on!!!! So right then and there I was MAD! He really was a hoe ass nigga in my opinion. I called the nigga that introduced us, tell him, show him. His response was "Fuck that nigga when I see him, I'ma knock him out." That's the page me and my nigga was on. I just ride with my niggaz like that, so if you feel about it like that, if I see him first then it's gonna go down. Even though he was doin' it in defense of me, he was just mad because the nigga playin me that way. That's the page we was on with Bad Azz.

At the time, I happened to be around Suge, we fuckin' around with each other, doin' whatever whatever, and we bump into Bad Azz, while we together, in Las Vegas! Because I had the upper hand, I wasn't gonna trip. I was gonna get at Bad Azz and smash on him, Kurupt got in my ear "Nah man, not Bad, Bad is my people, Spider, not Bad!" So I left it alone. A hour later, he over in the parking lot, poppin' his mouth! I walked past him, he said somethin' smart, I swing on him! Just so happened, when I hit him, I'm with a bunch of gangbangers! Gangbangers, we rat pack, ain't no fair fight! Even though they was Bloods, we was together. I swung, I'ma tell you. I'ma keep it real with you. When I hit the nigga, I barely hit him. Because of the way I was standin', and the way the nigga was standin' close to me. The way I swung, I skipped him on the chin, and I really socked Suge's main security in the jaw, hard as a muthafucka!

So while Bad Azz was gettin' his ass whooped, the whole time, I was tusslin' with Suge's security guard, cause this goofy ass nigga didn't realize how real shit is, and he was mad cause he got hit! *laughs* It was a accident, and I'm trying to explain to him and a couple of the homies is trying to explain to him like "YOU TRIPPING!" so we here tussling wrestling I'm trying to calm him down, explain to him man "what the fuck is wrong with you don't you see that shit was a accident!" He's square, ex-police, don't really know... I've been in riots in the County Jail where my own peoples would sock me on accident hard, but as soon as I turn around, I look at him, and I don't think twice! And now this nigga saw me swingin' on [Bad Azz], but anyway... The whole time Bad Azz gettin' his ass whooped, or the majority of the time, I was tusslin' with dude. I run around with a bunch of niggaz that's lookin' for any chance to do anythang. I was out there, in they eyes I'm Suge's artist. Plus the homie, we smoke weed together, chill, shit. I swung on the nigga, what else they gone do? Bad Azz, Donald Trump, anybody woulda got the same shit.



dubcnn.com: That's a fucked up story though... I've seen people rap for Bad like that, maybe he had a bad day or something.

He was on so much cocaine the boy wouldn't even fall. If you woulda seen the ass whooping he got! How big his eyes was. I ain't sayin' this as no speculation, the nigga was gettin' high when we was in the club with a nigga that was with me, from the 60's, I ain't gone say his name. He was with us, his relationship with Kurupt and Bad Azz had him in the middle of all that maylay, trying to pull him out into safety. So that's who he was with the whole night, that's my homeboy, and how [Bad] was gettin' down ain't no secret to him. Bad won't be able to give you an accurate account of what took place that night.



dubcnn.com: It's too bad the relationship between ya'll is fucked up over that shit.

I'm a gang banger homie, you know how me and my homeboys will beat up.. To this day we get loaded and kick it. These niggaz jump on these mics and talk this shit, they sag, braid they hair, walk around, look like me, and then when I treat the situations like they like me... If I knew they was some hoe ass niggaz, I would deal with them differently. I would never get into no physical confrontation. When a nigga talk tough, act tough.. I had to learn to treat the industry like an industry. Too many niggaz runnin' around talkin' about they from here they from there, cuzz this, fuck this nigga, fuck that nigga. And they runnin' around with a few real niggaz. So you look at them like they really with this!

But now I realize these niggaz is really actors, he told me he wakes Bad Azz up everyday, and kicks him in the ass, and that he's Jamarr. I'm Spider Loc cuzz. I live this, daily. I'm on 97th Street right now, with like 8 young gangbangers with me, but I got a notepad and a pen on my lap, and I got instrumentals on a CD. I've been doin' this before anybody ever gave me a deal. That's why they can't fuck wit me on the rap, but they can't fuck wit me on this G shit. Cause I hit the penitentiary at 18 dogg, California Department of Correction. You do the math. I ain't never been no follower, I lead in everything I do. I do the most. I got A+ on my G Report card out here. All A+!



dubcnn.com: Back to the music... What do you feel separates yourself from other artists and makes you worth checking out?

Cause I can do 300 songs, and they'll turn around and call me the most G-est rapper. I have very little cussin' and you'll never hear me say the word "gangsta" or "thug". I make poetry to where East Coast heads say "Yo, he's nice kid!" You gotta check it out dogg. Without compromisin' myself to sound like anything else. I'm all West, when you hear it. But at the same time, it's just worldwide.



dubcnn.com: I've heard the stuff on Dysfunktional Family, and 2 songs that the webmaster of the Death Row Website... I think his name was Nate? He sent me two songs, Head Hancho and Cicc Cacc and Be Bool I think..

The Head Hancho, recorded in 1999, written way before that.. Just first bein' able to get on a mic and get in the studio. Just so you know. That's the Head Hancho. And Cicc Cacc and Be Bool, it was a hook I head in my head for a long time, I just wanted to get a nigga to do the song with me. And when we got a chance to do the song, the verses I just took some verses I had on the subject. The hook I'm quite proud of, and the concept.



dubcnn.com: What's funny is, he had sent those songs to me to put on this compilation I was puttin' together called West Coast Unified, which had Bad Azz on cover... However I lost contact with Nate and didn't use the songs.

That's crazy! You were supposed to have me on there man!! Don't get me wrong man, I'll be the first to understand that gang banging was some stupid shit, it was a mistake.


dubcnn.com: Are you working on a mixtape too?

Yeah, I have one I'm puttin' together with Whoo Kid right now, called Rappin-phobia, I think it's gonna be G-Unit Radio Part 12, don't quote me on the number, I think Yayo might be 11. It's comin' in that series.

Also I got a couple of independent albums, one was called Brainless, that was my demo. I had 40 something songs, I broke em down in 3 different albums, titled one Brainless, one Bang-A-Docious, which is the name of my publishing company, and one is Easy, the word that describes me the best. I'ma try to drop these independent this summer, in mom n pop stores around the nation.



dubcnn.com: I think we just went through everything concerning Spider, from the past to the future, is there anything else you would like to say or let everybody know?

I'm rich now! You know what I'm sayin? I love my daughters, my little brother.. Let these niggaz know to be about they money at all costs. Get your money at all costs. A nigga can't change the type of nigga he is, but really that gang banging shit is over with. It's the stupidest shit we done did, and that's one thing I wanted to say. I know, very well, and I'm promoting positivety more so than anybody. But, my mentality, is this street shit, to the point where, the structure and the firmness is not going nowhere. And then, when you're a nigga that makes so called Crip music... I don't even make gang bang music dude, I don't even believe in callin' myself a gangsta rapper, I ain't no gangsta rapper. I'm a nigga that really done gang banged for real, but I'm a poet.

So when I tell, it's gonna be some shit that reminds you of gangsta shit in my music probably a whole lot of it, but I'm not a gangsta rapper. I can rap about more than that, I can rap about Immaculacy, I started rappin' in the church, for black history programs and I was always the best back then, so I ain't no gangsta rapper. But I will find a better term, I'ma find a new term, don't throw everybody in that big ol' bucket of gangsta rap. Gangsta rappers can't fuck with me!

But my shit is this. Like the shit that me and Daz got between us, it's like this dogg. I wanna squash it as bad as you do Nima, but if we done did all of that talkin' and all that hard shit, if you a Crip like I'm a Crip, even though we ain't really gang banging no more, you know we gotta squab before we squash it. That ain't really no big thang between no rough niggaz! So if we have that much of a problem between us and we put that much energy, let's just go on knuckle up real quick, soon as we finish knucklin' up we get loaded, do a song, chill, and that makes us family then! That's how we get down!

I got a line on my album that says "Please let the truth about the turf be taught, cause yeah we was family, but first we fought/On the East all the riders had thirsty thoughts, this Gang Bangin' is just a crucial curse we caught" Just keep it real my nigga! It could be all over with! He could be right here on the set with me chillin'! We could do it big! So if you really with it like that, any nigga who wanna take another route than that, he surprises, and I really don't wanna be around that type nigga.

Everything that we said, if it can go away without squabbling, then you ain't really the typa nigga you telling the world you is. This shit has been bubbling, he done put a pen on it, he been on the internet trying to convince people in Dakota and all this of certain things, and whether you wanna admit it or not, our whole careers is based on convincin' people in Dakota and other places of something else! If you wanna try to change the perception of pepople who have no idea what's going on other than what they trust us to tell them, if you wanna chance that perception of myself, before they even get a chance to understand the real, then, let's just, play it out before them. Let's keep it real before them, so they can understand the whole thang. Don't let nobody get no misconceptions.