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Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
nibs:
--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 22, 2006, 06:11:18 AM ---As I've said in other threads, I've been down that road before in my life, thinking of Farrakhan as a personal hero and thinking of white people as "devils". That was when I was an angry and rebellious young brother, but I done changed since.
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what about farrakhan's message of self-reliance and self-discipline? if you look at the speech originally linked, he's saying alot of good, positive things that i think you would agree with. it's only the history of the noi that you are disagreeing with, not what he is saying now.
--- Quote ---As an orthodox Muslim, you should be deeply disturbed and offended by the NOI's separatist doctrine, which undermines the very prospect of universalism on which Islam was founded.
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universalism...islam certainly accepts christianity and judiasm. the qu'ran does say to fight against oppression and to be wary of the motives of non-believers that don't respect and preserve peace with the believers. so the universalism seems to apply mainly to true believers of other faiths; but not necessarily to oppressed people and their oppressors. the separatism has evolved into this principle of blacks taking responsibility for their community, supporting black businesses...etc. farrakhan has always embraced christianity; he used to be criticized for preaching more from the bible than the qu'ran. he spoke very graciously in this speech here of true judiasm.
you are criticizing old doctrine.
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:06:42 AM ---malcolm x left the noi. it was easy for him to completely renounce those beliefs. louis farrakhan restarted the noi to get back to the teachings of elijah mohammad. although he has toned down the message, it would be difficult for him to completely abandon the original message; it would be abandoning the very reason he restarted the noi. thus his statements have to be more calculated.
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The fact that he even restarted the NOI in the first place seems wrong. Why not just follow W.D. Mohammed and support the AMM?
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:06:42 AM ---without question there is a history of anti-semitism within the noi. all i'm saying is farrakhan has tried to abandon that message.
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Doesn't mean he's sincere necesarily.
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:36:27 AM ---what about farrakhan's message of self-reliance and self-discipline? if you look at the speech originally linked, he's saying alot of good, positive things that i think you would agree with. it's only the history of the noi that you are disagreeing with, not what he is saying now.
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Like I have said, I can admire that the NOI has done good, but I don't like the way they're doing it.
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:36:27 AM ---you are criticizing old doctrine.
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I simply don't believe that doctrine isn't heavily instilled in NOI members to this day. Every muh'fucka I've ever met who's NOI is still very much anti-white/anti-Semitic/separatist in the most literal way imaginable, not in a metaphorical context as you and Infinite are trying to place it.
nibs:
--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 22, 2006, 07:42:29 AM ---The fact that he even restarted the NOI in the first place seems wrong. Why not just follow W.D. Mohammed and support the AMM?
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it's my understanding that the amm simply decided to embrace orthodox islam. the noi had more than a religious message, it had a political message that the amm probably would have stifled. it's hard to maintain a political agenda that revolves around black empowerment and at the same time supporting an all inclusive religious agenda. farrakhan now has allied and tries tomore closely associates the noi with the larger muslim world, but at the same time the noi preserves it's agenda of black empowerment.
--- Quote ---I simply don't believe that doctrine isn't heavily instilled in NOI members to this day. Every muh'fucka I've ever met who's NOI is still very much anti-white/anti-Semitic/separatist in the most literal way imaginable, not in a metaphorical context as you and Infinite are trying to place it.
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let's take a step back. the noi message is largely focused on black empowerment, and uplifting the black community. i think we can agree that there is a level of inequality between the black community and the larger american community as a whole. because the noi is focused on empowering the black community, there is that sense of neglecting the larger community as a whole. it's not possible to focus on a sub-group without ignoring the larger community to an extent. additionally, the noi believes that the u.s. government continues to be biased against blacks in many ways, and against the muslim world as well. thus it calls for a rejection of american values & policies in many way. "america is unjust".
do you agree with the noi's assessment of american policies and agenda's? do you agree with the noi's desire for black empowerment?
what black leaders do you feel have a better message and do a better job to realize these goals? i'd say there are few if any with the same level of visibility as farrakhan.
virtuoso:
Always good to read the views of you people, Nibs I didnt realise that Kambau wasnt a part of the NOI, so I will take your word on that one and renounce what I said. I agree with eighball though he seems to be just playing a game of window dressing, reveal the veil and there is a monster that lurks beneath. I would like to be proved wrong though because like I have already mentioned on many issues he does seem to be on the ball, but I liken his message to that of wild berries looks good smells good but the taste can kill you. Its his idealogy which I find disturbing perhaps not disturbing in the sense that he can orchestrate a genocide, as I believe most black people at least those with some kind of sense realise they are in a melting pot along with many whites and as such its the government and its bankrollers who are the enemy.
Teddy Roosevelt:
--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on February 22, 2006, 12:59:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dat Nigga Ted aka The 10th Nazgûl on February 22, 2006, 12:26:40 AM ---
So your gonna play games with the less advantaged by playing on their waeknesses so they'll beilive your religon/views of life? Either way you shouldn't say " white people were created by an evil scientist" unless you mean it, beacuse that's the same attitude behind the rascism African-Americans have encoutered over the the past 400 years.
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You can sit here and second guess the teachings of Fard Muhammad if you like, but the bottom line is, you ain't out on the front lines, deep in the city trying to raise up a people who had been seperated from their continent, culture, way of life, and forced into slavery.
What I was trying to explain is that I believe Fard Muhammad also didn't believe that white people were created by an evil scientist, but I think that out of his concern for black people living in oppression, he said certain things to reach them and get through to them, and then later they have steered the focus away from such teachings.
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Don't even sit there and act like you were. So you can;t even make that arguement. Like Eihtball said he's "preying on their ignorance" and just taking advanage of there unfortunate situation to recruit members to the NOI.
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