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Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
Crown:
--- Quote from: Allah's Slave: Abdul-Infinite on February 21, 2006, 08:19:42 PM ---Many comments were said, I think it's been a beneficial discussion on both ends, props to Nibs for actually listening to the audio and also for providing us with useful insight and info. I can't copy and paste everything so let me just comment on a few things that immediately come to mind.
-I wouldn't look at it so much as virtuoso said, as Farakhan "changing". Rather, I think he is a man who is sincerely and deeply concerned with the plight of black people. He is sincerely motivated towards uplifting oppressed people all over the world, and he is clearly very angry at imperialist perpetrated by America, Isreal, and Britian. With that being said, he has many followers, he is looked upon as a spiritual leader of thousands of black men. He takes this job very seriously. He cares deeply for his followers. It has been reported in different accounts, that when presented with the orthodox Islam question, Fard, Elijah, and Farakhan have held the mindset that their people "weren't quite ready for it yet" or that "they needed to be cleaned up" first, or that "there first has to be black unity before their can be any black/white unity."
...in other words, to make a long story short. I don't think that Fard, Elijah, or Farakhan have changed their beliefs, I think it is more that they tend to give their followers what they are ready and prepared for. As Elijah said once, "feed the babies milk, not meat." In other words, what he is saying is these men just came into Islam from lives that many times have been very rough, and they are trying to feed their followers knowledge; piecemeal, slowly but surely developing their minds and their spirits. Somehow, deep down I do believe that the ultimate goal and intent is for them to be unified with Muslims all over the world.
-Also, somebody on here tried to claim that Farakhan wanted to commit genocide against white people or something like that. This is totally false. He has told his followers that when they (non-white people) come to power, they don't want to be like the Jews and do the same thing to somebody else that they had done to them (meaning Jews persecuted by Hitler then persecuting the Palestinians.)
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Peace!
nibs:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on February 22, 2006, 09:52:43 AM ---most black people at least those with some kind of sense realise they are in a melting pot along with many whites and as such its the government and its bankrollers who are the enemy.
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the noi message has been around since the 30's and 40's. it predates the civil rights movement. it's dealing with segregation/jim crow/lynchings. segregation in the u.s., germany trying to create a master race in europe, apartheid in south africa...it was a doctrine born in that environment.
white people no longer openly claim to be superior to blacks. you and eihtball suggest that farrakhan is secretly a racist that is looking for an opportunity to espouse those views. i suggest that the noi used black superiority as a tool for expanding their message in the environment of the times. a tool which is no longer necessary and farrakhan has abandoned.
--- Quote ---I believe most black people at least those with some kind of sense realise they are in a melting pot along with many whites and as such its the government and its bankrollers who are the enemy.
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the problem with that notion is that america is supposed to be a democracy; so the government must reflect the majority of the population to some extent. when looked at in context not only did the legislative branch of the government fail the black community during the civil rights era and earlier, but when the courts stepped in to right some of the wrongs you had protests & riots. federal troops needing to be called in to stop the rioting. in the context of of the period when that doctrine was developed, i don't think it's fair to only blame the government and not the people themselves.
virtuoso:
This was taken from a 1997 interview he held with meet the press, this is a major public u turn by him
TR: Elijah Muhammad also said that whites are blue-eyed devils. Do you believe that?
MLF: Well, you have not been saints in the way you have acted toward the darker peoples of the world and toward even your own people. But, in truth, Mr. Russert, any human being who gives themself over to the doing of evil could be considered a devil. In the Bible, in the Book of Revelation, it talks about the fall of Babylon. It says Babylon is fallen because she has become the habitation of devils. We believe that that ancient Babylon is a symbol of a modern Babylon which is America. America has become a land of people who want to do their own thing, and their own thing is in direct contravention and rebellion against the will of God, which makes any rebel against God an agent of Satan.
I am reading a much more recent interview with him and they are trying o ridicule him for saying jews control the media and the entertainment industry, lol jesus how dumb is anyone who would actually disagree that this isnt true ::)
The country, as you know, is riveted this weekend by the extraordinary spectacle of Tiger Woods, this 21-year-old Black man, who is s
setting a course on a once-segregated golf course in Georgia; that has won the admiration, apparently, of all of his fellow professionals, most of them white, of course. Do you think that he is somehow in the control of a group of Jews or other people, or what does that represent to you? I am laughing at the desperation of that question.
Btw I hear what you are saying Nibs but I dont know about that I mean I can only go on what I hear him say and what I have read him say but I will acknowledge that a lot of his public views at least in the last decadeish have been geared towards despising america being controlled by jews, he hasnt spouted pure hate for jews per sa in that time or at least i dont think he has.
virtuoso:
Another thing which I should have mentioned before which once again highlights so called pro black agenda is his unwavering support for the dictatorship in zimbabwe. Its amazing that if a black government is so called anti west then he embraces them despite their sickening crimes. He supports land being stolen from white zimbabweans, now however you try and paint this firstly a lot of white zimbabweans are third or fourth generation and have as much right to call themselves zimbabwean as anyone else, the farmers bought and paid for the land and now are told that you must leave this land or we will come and kill you, and in fact these so called war veterians who in actuality are mostly hired government thugs are doing just that. White people can't get jobs there anymore with the letters under the advertisements reading AA. Then there is the so called radio of zimbabwe which consists of regular bulletins which can only be described as hate speeches where mugabe is telling the white people to leave this land, they are being ethnically cleansed from a land which as I said is theirs.
Now history and the makeup of Zimbabwe tells us that the ruling party the Zanu PF are zulu, now its fact that Zulus arent the indigenous population of zimbabwe, the indigenous bushmen are in fact extremely marginalised, and live a very squalid life and yet still the propoganda is pushed that your white you dont belong here. So I think this underlines the racism that Farrakhan posesses. Then lets look at the aftermath of this land grabbing policy, the crops have all but stopped being produced and the reason? the land far from being given to poor black people is actually being divided into a cronyist policy whereby the police get their plots of land ministers theirs secret police theirs of course, these people have no intention of growing crops the land is to them just a status symbol. Keep in mind that this isnt some revelation and that farrakhan must therefore know all about what is going down after all as the conference and speech has underlined he is a very knowledgeable person, yet despite knowing he chooses to praise the government because its attacking white people.
This is a man who sees Thabo Mbeki as a great person even though the ANC was and always will be a communist party, there is nothing friendly honest or decent about these people. I remember reading an interview with an ANC politician who said they have no intention of tainting mandelas legacy but once he passes the white man is going to get it. I see television interviews where the ANC are fervently defending affirmative action and described the situation in which large swathes of the white population there that now cant get a job as necessary to readdress the balance. Seriously anyone who thinks this policy is ever going to change must also believe the moon is made from cheese, they are going to ethnically white people from that land whether they drive them out through degridation intimidation or massacre them.
So we have a man (farrakhan) who is all about his people empowering black people, even in the speech he refers to americans and our people as seperate, a man who embraces corrupt and wicked black leadership when those leaders oppress white people.
Dubz:
i only listend to like 7 minutes, and Farr. was dropping bombs. thanks for the video.
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