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Farrakhan drops ether on Bush, you must hear this...
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 08:05:51 AM ---it's my understanding that the amm simply decided to embrace orthodox islam. the noi had more than a religious message, it had a political message that the amm probably would have stifled. it's hard to maintain a political agenda that revolves around black empowerment and at the same time supporting an all inclusive religious agenda. farrakhan now has allied and tries tomore closely associates the noi with the larger muslim world, but at the same time the noi preserves it's agenda of black empowerment.
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I dunno about political agenda, but by and large, most of the social programs sponsored by the AMM are lifted straight from the NOI (including the use of recruiting ex-cons and gangbangers). Regardless, if Farrakhan has political aspirations, I don't see why he couldn't have done them under the AMM. The AMM preaches self-respect and self-love as well.
Also, I don't see how the NOI associates itself much with other Muslims...aside from some trips to Saudi Arabia, the NOI has remained quite distant from the rest of the Muslim world, as best I can tell.
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 08:05:51 AM ---let's take a step back. the noi message is largely focused on black empowerment, and uplifting the black community. i think we can agree that there is a level of inequality between the black community and the larger american community as a whole. because the noi is focused on empowering the black community, there is that sense of neglecting the larger community as a whole. it's not possible to focus on a sub-group without ignoring the larger community to an extent. additionally, the noi believes that the u.s. government continues to be biased against blacks in many ways, and against the muslim world as well. thus it calls for a rejection of american values & policies in many way. "america is unjust".
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Again, it seems you're trying to tell me that the NOI's separatist doctrine must be interpreted metaphorically and not literally, and I ain't buying it. I grew up with the firm understanding that the NOI operated under a very specific doctrine of black supremacy, and remembering the kinda people I used to know, I won't be convinced otherwise.
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 08:05:51 AM ---do you agree with the noi's assessment of american policies and agenda's? do you agree with the noi's desire for black empowerment?
what black leaders do you feel have a better message and do a better job to realize these goals? i'd say there are few if any with the same level of visibility as farrakhan.
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That's a broad question. I've heard Farrakhan make some outrageous claims before, like saying that one of the levees that failed in New Orleans during Katrina was deliberately damaged to wipe out the black areas. I can't agree with that.
I think I've made pretty clear by now that I believe the AMM should be the future for Black Muslims (and it is at this point, if membership is any indicator).
nibs:
eihtball:
--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 22, 2006, 06:11:18 AM ---universalism...islam certainly accepts christianity and judiasm. the qu'ran does say to fight against oppression and to be wary of the motives of non-believers that don't respect and preserve peace with the believers. so the universalism seems to apply mainly to true believers of other faiths; but not necessarily to oppressed people and their oppressors. the separatism has evolved into this principle of blacks taking responsibility for their community, supporting black businesses...etc. farrakhan has always embraced christianity; he used to be criticized for preaching more from the bible than the qu'ran. he spoke very graciously in this speech here of true judiasm.
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well, upon further research:
sura 49:13
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
so the qu'ran definitely frowns on that sort of racial demagoguery that the noi engaged in.
Eihtball:
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:43:03 PM ---well, upon further research:
sura 49:13
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
so the qu'ran definitely frowns on that sort of racial demagoguery that the noi engaged in.
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Yeah, I've never read the Qur'an in its entirety, but I couldn't imagine how orthodox Muslims could approve of the NOI's racial beliefs. I mean, the NOI claims white people were created through selective breeding and are inherently "devilish"...
AndrE16686:
maybe the minister was too confronting for the white/confused black internet crowd, just check out the PFANAC website:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
its a group consisting of some pretty influential people like Cheney, Wolfowitz among others.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:43:03 PM ---eihtball:
--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 22, 2006, 06:11:18 AM ---universalism...islam certainly accepts christianity and judiasm. the qu'ran does say to fight against oppression and to be wary of the motives of non-believers that don't respect and preserve peace with the believers. so the universalism seems to apply mainly to true believers of other faiths; but not necessarily to oppressed people and their oppressors. the separatism has evolved into this principle of blacks taking responsibility for their community, supporting black businesses...etc. farrakhan has always embraced christianity; he used to be criticized for preaching more from the bible than the qu'ran. he spoke very graciously in this speech here of true judiasm.
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well, upon further research:
sura 49:13
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
so the qu'ran definitely frowns on that sort of racial demagoguery that the noi engaged in.
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Who is the "We" that created us from the single pair?
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