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virtuoso:

 Farrakhan formed a separate group - the Nation of Islam -- which upheld Elijah Muhammad's original beliefs. These beliefs range from the creation of whites by an evil Black scientist to the "The Great Decisive Battle in the Sky," in which a space ship will bomb the earth, destroying white people and bringing in a new world.
Can someone confirm if this is true?, and if it is true then surely you cant believe that such a deep belief of hate, of belief that white people are sub human can suddenly disappear from his mindset

Kassem:
noi and orthodox islam are opposing to each other in every way

nibs:

--- Quote from: Eihtball on February 22, 2006, 07:46:16 PM ---Yeah, I've never read the Qur'an in its entirety, but I couldn't imagine how orthodox Muslims could approve of the NOI's racial beliefs.  I mean, the NOI claims white people were created through selective breeding and are inherently "devilish"...
--- End quote ---

two things.

a) after having read the qu'ran, i find it interesting how many of kam's lyrics were direct adaptations of  scripture.

b) what the noi did was turn the religious struggle in the qu'ran between the believers and non-believers into a racial struggle.  the qu'ran is very harsh on non-believers:

sura 60:1
O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in God your Lord! If ye have come out to strive in My Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love (and friendship) with them: for I know full well all that ye conceal and all that ye reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path.

the qu'ran goes on to state that non-believers are in-fact led by devils (evil jinns):
sura 43:36
If anyone withdraws himself from remembrance of (God) Most Gracious, We appoint for him an evil one, to be an intimate companion to him.

different translation:
sura 43:36
And he whose sight is dim to the remembrance of the Beneficent, We assign unto him a devil who becometh his comrade;

the noi twisted the message of the qu'ran to apply to their racial struggle.  the qu'ran ofcourse allows disbelievers to repent and renounce their ways, and their evil jinn companions can also accordingly renounce those old ways accordingly...the noi is less flexible.

all i'm suggesting is that their message is not as absurd as you claim, they simply twisted islam to apply to their desires.  the twisting was clearly blasphemous.  they've now abandoned those older blasphemous positions.  

nibs:

--- Quote from: Shallow on February 23, 2006, 09:12:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: nibs on February 22, 2006, 07:43:03 PM ---sura 49:13
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
--- End quote ---

Who is the "We" that created us from the single pair?
--- End quote ---

god and the angels most likely.  the qu'ran states in many places that this world cannot withstand god's direct presence; mountains crumble...etc.

sura 7:143
When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." God said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe."

thus it would not be surprising if god's works were carried out through a delegate (the angels).

Shallow:
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So I guess that means means that according to that God would need "partners" to get certain things done. (Infinite will love that theory). I don't get why a being that can do anything and everything wouldn't be able to come to Earth if he wanted to. I don't expect an answer, nor do I have one myself. Like my pal Jesus said; don't worry about figuring out the universe and how it works because that knowledge is out of reach for people that can't even figure out each other. That's the gist of it anyway.

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