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LOL @ blaming cd burners for the flopevery album gets burned, Cube's album got leaked way before CIA and it destroyed CIA in sales
Quote from: Long Beach Iz Active on July 06, 2006, 06:40:32 PMLOL @ blaming cd burners for the flopevery album gets burned, Cube's album got leaked way before CIA and it destroyed CIA in saleswell...it's not the sole reason why it's been sold 30k...the album itself is wack...that's pure simple.
Quote from: Untouchability on July 06, 2006, 02:51:54 PMgoing through this thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=114140.0), it's humerous at how some people are trying to defend the Cali iz Active album. Saying that "Cali Iz Active" did ok with 30,000 sales is like saying George W Bush has been an ok President. Tha Dogg Pound had articles on MTV.com and in The Source, a mixtape to promote the album, commercials on tv, not to mention the video, and they still couldn't sell shit. Point blank, them opening up at 30,000 is terrible. That number is pathetic and I'm wondering how this is not considered a flop on this board yet Mobb Deep's new album selling 100,000 albums is?By the way, the excuses that Tha Dogg Pound released the album independently and that they released it through Koch Records are NOT VALID EXCUSES. Jim Jones, B.G., DJ Khaled, and D-Block are all on Koch and have sold more, plus Cube sold 140,000 copies of his album independently with virtually no spins (on the east coast) and no video play, plus has not released an album in 6 years. I know that this is targeted at the sales topic in general, although my particular post didn't defend the selling of 30,000. It is an awfully low number, and lower than I personally anticipated. However, I stand by my point where I said that if they push out another single using one of the more mainstream cuts and end up selling 100k, that's an acceptable amount by Koch's standards. Maybe they will, maybe they won't but the commercial potential is there. I've been saying it for a while now - "Cali Iz Active" was never going to blow on a mainstream level, even though I really enjoyed the track as a fan.Cube is distributed by Virgin in the UK (and maybe the rest of Europe) and is, if my memory serves me right, distributed in the US by Interscope, so he has some form of major label help even if Lench Mob itself is independant. Plus, I don't think the Cube comparison is fair at all. With his success in Hollywood, Cube never went anywhere and has always been in the public eye. He's also become a cultural icon, and movie fans (hell, fans in general) are frequently reminded in biographies, interviews, and so on, that he started his career as an exceptional rapper. Add to that all the talk of the work with Dre, the rumoured NWA album, and a classic legacy, and it should come as no surprise that Cube sold so well. There's always been anticipation for Cube to return to music, while movies ensure that he isn't forgotten about. DPG, meanwhile, have been out of the public eye for far too long and, as a result, it's no surprise that their appeal has faded. That's partly their fault, although there are of course other factors, such as bad record deals and the obvious fact that anyone on an independantly funded label such as DPG Recordz is going to struggle to break into the mainstream. The music they've released has also been decidedly hit-and-miss IMO, although nowhere near as bad as some people on here would suggest. I guess this just proves Warren right: the game don't wait for anybody, and DPG were simply out of the game for too long.
going through this thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=114140.0), it's humerous at how some people are trying to defend the Cali iz Active album. Saying that "Cali Iz Active" did ok with 30,000 sales is like saying George W Bush has been an ok President. Tha Dogg Pound had articles on MTV.com and in The Source, a mixtape to promote the album, commercials on tv, not to mention the video, and they still couldn't sell shit. Point blank, them opening up at 30,000 is terrible. That number is pathetic and I'm wondering how this is not considered a flop on this board yet Mobb Deep's new album selling 100,000 albums is?By the way, the excuses that Tha Dogg Pound released the album independently and that they released it through Koch Records are NOT VALID EXCUSES. Jim Jones, B.G., DJ Khaled, and D-Block are all on Koch and have sold more, plus Cube sold 140,000 copies of his album independently with virtually no spins (on the east coast) and no video play, plus has not released an album in 6 years.
Quote from: Jrome Sparks Mad Izm on July 06, 2006, 05:47:24 PMGood Points. I'll attribute the "flop" to half assed music. How many people on this forum would say "Daz, Kurupt, and Snoop have all steadily improved musically and creatively expanded in the last several years"? or "Compare their work from the first 7 years in the game to the last 7 years in the game. Their shit in the last 7 years DESTROY's the first 7!" LOL, NOBODY. To me, anybody that would say that is in complete and utter denial. For instance, I'd say the single was average at best. And you know what? That's actually BETTER than I thought it would be. These guys have lowered expectations so much, that now if I don't think it's COMPLETELY wack, that they've actually impressed me. How twisted is that shit? If this type of single were released on their initial albums, it would have been the wackest shit on the album. But DPG 2006, this ain't too bad. They've half assed it for so long, talked out their ass so much, and it's really catching up to them. It's like each album from these guys either together or solo has shown a decline in effort and quality. In the 90's through 2000/2001 I'd cop their shit sight unseen (unheard) because I still had faith that they were gonna bring the heat. However, 6 years later I've eaten enough of their bullshit that they have to prove themselves to me again. LOL, and I was a HUGE fan. Imagine what some BG thinks of this half assed shit. Of course he's not gonna buy it.Their flop is not due to their age nor is it due to illegal downloading. If it's their age, why is Dre still the most sought after producer in the game? If it's cuz of downloading, why are artists still going 5x platinum? Take a look at artists like Three 6 Mafia and Twista...those cats have been in the game for years and never really saw mainstream success up until recently. You know why? Cuz "Stay Fly" and "Slow Jamz" were dope fuckin songs. If those songs are wack, those artists would not have seen that type of success in this stage of their respective careers. Bottom line, they're catching bricks cuz the music is half assed - fuck that QUARTER ASSED.You can sit here and tell me that Rappers INCLUDING Daz and Kurupt dont sell less because of CD BURNERS all you want. But thats The stupidest thing i ever heard. I know that Cali Iz Active wouldnt have sold a million copies if not for Cd burners, but they would have sold closer to at least 50 K. Think about if you couldnt preview tracks on the net, and therfore burn Cd's> people would go in buying cd's with no prior knowledge..And would buy the Album becuz they are tha DOGG POUND. But why buy the Cd when you can burn it. Anybody that says Burners dont affect sales, get in reality.
Good Points. I'll attribute the "flop" to half assed music. How many people on this forum would say "Daz, Kurupt, and Snoop have all steadily improved musically and creatively expanded in the last several years"? or "Compare their work from the first 7 years in the game to the last 7 years in the game. Their shit in the last 7 years DESTROY's the first 7!" LOL, NOBODY. To me, anybody that would say that is in complete and utter denial. For instance, I'd say the single was average at best. And you know what? That's actually BETTER than I thought it would be. These guys have lowered expectations so much, that now if I don't think it's COMPLETELY wack, that they've actually impressed me. How twisted is that shit? If this type of single were released on their initial albums, it would have been the wackest shit on the album. But DPG 2006, this ain't too bad. They've half assed it for so long, talked out their ass so much, and it's really catching up to them. It's like each album from these guys either together or solo has shown a decline in effort and quality. In the 90's through 2000/2001 I'd cop their shit sight unseen (unheard) because I still had faith that they were gonna bring the heat. However, 6 years later I've eaten enough of their bullshit that they have to prove themselves to me again. LOL, and I was a HUGE fan. Imagine what some BG thinks of this half assed shit. Of course he's not gonna buy it.Their flop is not due to their age nor is it due to illegal downloading. If it's their age, why is Dre still the most sought after producer in the game? If it's cuz of downloading, why are artists still going 5x platinum? Take a look at artists like Three 6 Mafia and Twista...those cats have been in the game for years and never really saw mainstream success up until recently. You know why? Cuz "Stay Fly" and "Slow Jamz" were dope fuckin songs. If those songs are wack, those artists would not have seen that type of success in this stage of their respective careers. Bottom line, they're catching bricks cuz the music is half assed - fuck that QUARTER ASSED.
Quote from: PLANT on July 06, 2006, 03:30:36 PMBTW, Ice Cubes videos have been played much more than Cali Iz Active, and Cube had sick promotion for LNCL.....Ice Cube is HUGE right now...But then again, he DID release a bangin album.Cube had more magazine and press hype than Tha Dogg Pound, but I've seen Cali iz active more times on tv than "Why we thugs". However I haven't heard either song on Philly radio. Shit, I don't even know the last time I heard either act on Philly radio for that matter
BTW, Ice Cubes videos have been played much more than Cali Iz Active, and Cube had sick promotion for LNCL.....Ice Cube is HUGE right now...But then again, he DID release a bangin album.
I don't think a daz or kurupt album has ever sold 30,000 copies in the first week, for the past 5 years. and combined those 2 have dropped a shitload of albums in the last 5 years. so 30,000 ain't too bad.
Quote from: pc8381 on July 06, 2006, 06:44:30 PMQuote from: Long Beach Iz Active on July 06, 2006, 06:40:32 PMLOL @ blaming cd burners for the flopevery album gets burned, Cube's album got leaked way before CIA and it destroyed CIA in saleswell...it's not the sole reason why it's been sold 30k...the album itself is wack...that's pure simple. exactly
Its sad, but I guess nobody is checking for Tha Doggpound anymore......
Let's wait 2 more and see how many they'll sell. You can help, go out and buy it With another video (maybe with diddy or banner) they'll push it to 100k - 150k I hope. Do you how much Dillinger & Young Gotti II sold?
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