Can't we platnify ourselves?

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

the aftermath album went platinum for one thing. i don't think that was as much of a dissappointment as say the firm (frankly, they acted like it was a nas/dre album and if it was it woulda done multi plat, but fuckin fox brown had more dre production than nas on that bitch. once the streets heard it, there was only the million cats who didn't know that yet/wanted as much dre/nas as they could get anyway that copped it) going only platinum.

anyway, I think dre would have worked with snoop again anyway. he just needed to do other stuff as well. didn't they do 'zoom' like in 96?

but otherwise yeah i feel you.

fuckin' crooked. frankly that was DR's fault.

I think crooked is waiting for detox to shine the light on the west coast again, he was on DR when 2001 came out. 'say dr.dre' implies that crooked may be on detox. if this is so, he can pull a SIAM or a restless or whatever and ride on dre's coattails for a Gold plaque.

-T

IMO the reason the Firm did not sell is because it was too mainstream sounding at the time an it felt more like a compilation with all the guests. Excluding Dre's stuff, they were on that Mafioso shit a little too much. That is why Nas lost so many fans, he went from Nasty Nas to Nas Escobar. Dre's style really did not mesh well with the direction they were going.

Dre cut all ties from anyone connected with Death Row, and it was at the height of DPGC. So yeah the average fan wants to hear Snoop hook back up with Dre on another Chronic. He could not do it any other way than that way. But now the problem is we don't have another Dr. Dre like producer. We have a bunch of dope ones, but people still constantly compare them to Dre. Fred Wreck has gotten some shine and Battlecat as well but not the shine they deserve. So the impression to most is Dre has to be on a west coast album for it to blow up and those expections are unfair. 

I loved that mafioso funk shit, but it is definitely not a poppy sound that alot could get into.

furthermore,what made the chronic/doggystyle/efil4zaggin etc. is that there was a consistent group of people making the music. was common's BE the last major album to come out with one producer and one rapper on every song? Dre and snoop still do classic level songs (buck em, round here, hennessey n buddah all doggystyle quality) but people want a whole record of dopeness.

I guarantee you if DPGC did a whole album with battlecat or fred wreck they'd get some shine. it would give the vocalists and the producers time to really flex, you know? have fun in the studio, fuck around, experiment.  but that's yet to happen. people dismiss the idea of re-doing the chronic/doggystyle because the idea of stagnant sound but what made those albums so dope is that they had diversity within them as well as having some recurring aspects. lodi dodi is miles and miles away from pump pump but there's something underlyingly dre-funky about both tracks.

new albums need to try to have a cohesive consisten team that tries new things within the framework of an album. as tall of an order as that sounds, it's nothing fred wreck or battlecat couldn't do. frankly, i feel it's what they've been waiting to do.

anyway, my original point was this:

a cat like daz, Eiht, Quik etc. would do much better to try to sell his record to a million californians than a million americans.

-T

[Tanjential]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

dude, if those cats would DROP, we'd support them trust.

I've yet to see ya Boy's album physically anywhere. outside of him, who's new that we even CAN support?

-T

[Teddy Roosevelt]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

dude, if those cats would DROP, we'd support them trust.

I've yet to see ya Boy's album physically anywhere. outside of him, who's new that we even CAN support?

-T

He's already dropped one album.

[Tanjential]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

dude, if those cats would DROP, we'd support them trust.

I've yet to see ya Boy's album physically anywhere. outside of him, who's new that we even CAN support?

-T

He's already dropped one album.

I know,I said I haven't physically seen it. I've not been in the position to buy it. and outside of him, there is no new west to support at the record shop.

-T

[d-nice]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

That music was so flawless back then. And with 2pac getting killed it just killed the momentum the coast had. Pac would put his homies on and he helped create a new sound with Johnny J and others after Dre left. It was still west coast but with a fresh new twist. We have that now with new artists and producers but we don't have that superstar like a 2pac pushing they material so that people will notice. That was why I think it is dope a artist like a Bishop Lamont can have 100,000+ downloads of his street album on dubcnn. It shows the interest is there for a new artist to blow up. Hopefully he will because we need even more than Game.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

dude, if those cats would DROP, we'd support them trust.

I've yet to see ya Boy's album physically anywhere. outside of him, who's new that we even CAN support?

-T

He's already dropped one album.

I know,I said I haven't physically seen it. I've not been in the position to buy it. and outside of him, there is no new west to support at the record shop.

-T

There's this cool invention called the internet. Matter of fact, you're on it right now.
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6929910/a/Rookie+Of+The+Year.htm
Or just download it.

But your right, nobody is dropping albums these days (fuck a mixtape). Lamont droppped Nigger Noize (which was an album despite being marketed as a mixtape). A side from that, not much else from newer artists.

[Tanjential]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

That music was so flawless back then. And with 2pac getting killed it just killed the momentum the coast had. Pac would put his homies on and he helped create a new sound with Johnny J and others after Dre left. It was still west coast but with a fresh new twist. We have that now with new artists and producers but we don't have that superstar like a 2pac pushing they material so that people will notice. That was why I think it is dope a artist like a Bishop Lamont can have 100,000+ downloads of his street album on dubcnn. It shows the interest is there for a new artist to blow up. Hopefully he will because we need even more than Game.

we do need him more than game, because in retrospect all game did was strengthen the rest of the world's opinion that the only thing the west coast can do well is gangsta rap.

-T

[Tanjential]

West Coast "fans" are stuck in 96. They don't care about new artists. Why do you think a topic about Tha Dogg Pound will get so many posts, but one about any new artist will be lucky to get more then one page? Move on people. Also people are too obsessed with Dr. Dre. Unless a new artist has Dre's name attached to it (The Game, Bishop Lamont etc), no one cares about it.

dude, if those cats would DROP, we'd support them trust.

I've yet to see ya Boy's album physically anywhere. outside of him, who's new that we even CAN support?

-T

He's already dropped one album.

I know,I said I haven't physically seen it. I've not been in the position to buy it. and outside of him, there is no new west to support at the record shop.

-T

There's this cool invention called the internet. Matter of fact, you're on it right now.
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6929910/a/Rookie+Of+The+Year.htm
Or just download it.

But your right, nobody is dropping albums these days (fuck a mixtape). Lamont droppped Nigger Noize (which was an album despite being marketed as a mixtape). A side from that, not much else from newer artists.

i see what you're saying, i wasn't saying I couldn't get the album. I said I hadn't been in a physical position to. Hittman's also selling his album on sickbayrecords.com, are you championing it?

In other words, there are tons and tons of classics that i can easily get at the record store that I don't have yet. why am i gonna go out of my way to order an album from an artist i ain't even sure of? i'm just coming at this from the perspective of a reasonable californian music fan, just being real. if he wants people to give enough of a fuck to buy it, it has to be on the racks next to xzibit and jay z.

-T

[GangstaBoogy]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Lol I used to wonder that myself. If only it was that easy. If we supported our local artist then we could say fuck the rest of the world and just do us. But too many haters. Take Game for example. Before "The Documentary" even dropped he had Yukmouth, Messy Marv, etc etc etc all hatin on him. That causes friction between cities. Right now California is like in a Cival War.

[d-nice]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

the aftermath album went platinum for one thing. i don't think that was as much of a dissappointment as say the firm (frankly, they acted like it was a nas/dre album and if it was it woulda done multi plat, but fuckin fox brown had more dre production than nas on that bitch. once the streets heard it, there was only the million cats who didn't know that yet/wanted as much dre/nas as they could get anyway that copped it) going only platinum.

anyway, I think dre would have worked with snoop again anyway. he just needed to do other stuff as well. didn't they do 'zoom' like in 96?

but otherwise yeah i feel you.

fuckin' crooked. frankly that was DR's fault.

I think crooked is waiting for detox to shine the light on the west coast again, he was on DR when 2001 came out. 'say dr.dre' implies that crooked may be on detox. if this is so, he can pull a SIAM or a restless or whatever and ride on dre's coattails for a Gold plaque.

-T

IMO the reason the Firm did not sell is because it was too mainstream sounding at the time an it felt more like a compilation with all the guests. Excluding Dre's stuff, they were on that Mafioso shit a little too much. That is why Nas lost so many fans, he went from Nasty Nas to Nas Escobar. Dre's style really did not mesh well with the direction they were going.

Dre cut all ties from anyone connected with Death Row, and it was at the height of DPGC. So yeah the average fan wants to hear Snoop hook back up with Dre on another Chronic. He could not do it any other way than that way. But now the problem is we don't have another Dr. Dre like producer. We have a bunch of dope ones, but people still constantly compare them to Dre. Fred Wreck has gotten some shine and Battlecat as well but not the shine they deserve. So the impression to most is Dre has to be on a west coast album for it to blow up and those expections are unfair. 

I loved that mafioso funk shit, but it is definitely not a poppy sound that alot could get into.

furthermore,what made the chronic/doggystyle/efil4zaggin etc. is that there was a consistent group of people making the music. was common's BE the last major album to come out with one producer and one rapper on every song? Dre and snoop still do classic level songs (buck em, round here, hennessey n buddah all doggystyle quality) but people want a whole record of dopeness.

I guarantee you if DPGC did a whole album with battlecat or fred wreck they'd get some shine. it would give the vocalists and the producers time to really flex, you know? have fun in the studio, fuck around, experiment.  but that's yet to happen. people dismiss the idea of re-doing the chronic/doggystyle because the idea of stagnant sound but what made those albums so dope is that they had diversity within them as well as having some recurring aspects. lodi dodi is miles and miles away from pump pump but there's something underlyingly dre-funky about both tracks.

new albums need to try to have a cohesive consisten team that tries new things within the framework of an album. as tall of an order as that sounds, it's nothing fred wreck or battlecat couldn't do. frankly, i feel it's what they've been waiting to do.

anyway, my original point was this:

a cat like daz, Eiht, Quik etc. would do much better to try to sell his record to a million californians than a million americans.

-T

True, but a million californians don't know what they want from their artists. Half don't even like the Bay or support it and vice versa. Houston goes to bat for their artists man. They damn near go gold in Houston alone. Our artists try new shit because when they were doing west coast shit, people out there said they live in the past. So they think they need a more universal sound and we say they sellouts. So you tell me how are you going to sell to a coast that can't make they mind up what they want. G-Funk or new shit?

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

the aftermath album went platinum for one thing. i don't think that was as much of a dissappointment as say the firm (frankly, they acted like it was a nas/dre album and if it was it woulda done multi plat, but fuckin fox brown had more dre production than nas on that bitch. once the streets heard it, there was only the million cats who didn't know that yet/wanted as much dre/nas as they could get anyway that copped it) going only platinum.

anyway, I think dre would have worked with snoop again anyway. he just needed to do other stuff as well. didn't they do 'zoom' like in 96?

but otherwise yeah i feel you.

fuckin' crooked. frankly that was DR's fault.

I think crooked is waiting for detox to shine the light on the west coast again, he was on DR when 2001 came out. 'say dr.dre' implies that crooked may be on detox. if this is so, he can pull a SIAM or a restless or whatever and ride on dre's coattails for a Gold plaque.

-T

IMO the reason the Firm did not sell is because it was too mainstream sounding at the time an it felt more like a compilation with all the guests. Excluding Dre's stuff, they were on that Mafioso shit a little too much. That is why Nas lost so many fans, he went from Nasty Nas to Nas Escobar. Dre's style really did not mesh well with the direction they were going.

Dre cut all ties from anyone connected with Death Row, and it was at the height of DPGC. So yeah the average fan wants to hear Snoop hook back up with Dre on another Chronic. He could not do it any other way than that way. But now the problem is we don't have another Dr. Dre like producer. We have a bunch of dope ones, but people still constantly compare them to Dre. Fred Wreck has gotten some shine and Battlecat as well but not the shine they deserve. So the impression to most is Dre has to be on a west coast album for it to blow up and those expections are unfair. 

I loved that mafioso funk shit, but it is definitely not a poppy sound that alot could get into.

furthermore,what made the chronic/doggystyle/efil4zaggin etc. is that there was a consistent group of people making the music. was common's BE the last major album to come out with one producer and one rapper on every song? Dre and snoop still do classic level songs (buck em, round here, hennessey n buddah all doggystyle quality) but people want a whole record of dopeness.

I guarantee you if DPGC did a whole album with battlecat or fred wreck they'd get some shine. it would give the vocalists and the producers time to really flex, you know? have fun in the studio, fuck around, experiment.  but that's yet to happen. people dismiss the idea of re-doing the chronic/doggystyle because the idea of stagnant sound but what made those albums so dope is that they had diversity within them as well as having some recurring aspects. lodi dodi is miles and miles away from pump pump but there's something underlyingly dre-funky about both tracks.

new albums need to try to have a cohesive consisten team that tries new things within the framework of an album. as tall of an order as that sounds, it's nothing fred wreck or battlecat couldn't do. frankly, i feel it's what they've been waiting to do.

anyway, my original point was this:

a cat like daz, Eiht, Quik etc. would do much better to try to sell his record to a million californians than a million americans.

-T

True, but a million californians don't know what they want from their artists. Half don't even like the Bay or support it and vice versa. Houston goes to bat for their artists man. They damn near go gold in Houston alone. Our artists try new shit because when they were doing west coast shit, people out there said they live in the past. So they think they need a more universal sound and we say they sellouts. So you tell me how are you going to sell to a coast that can't make they mind up what they want. G-Funk or new shit?

seriously, we need g funk production(west coast strongest point) with backpack/NONGANGSTA raps(west coast weakest point).

restless was a HALF assed attempt at that. dre or people on dre's level should have done the whole record.

-T

[Tanjential]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Lol I used to wonder that myself. If only it was that easy. If we supported our local artist then we could say fuck the rest of the world and just do us. But too many haters. Take Game for example. Before "The Documentary" even dropped he had Yukmouth, Messy Marv, etc etc etc all hatin on him. That causes friction between cities. Right now California is like in a Cival War.

beef sells though, i and other people I know, have bought albums of rappers dissing each other to get the whole story. i know of few people that won't get one rappers album because the other dissed 'em.  almost the opposite really, you'll buy both cause you wanna know what's going on.

-T

[Furor Teutonicus]

^ although I like g-funk productions, we need to realize it's over... I don't think it's enough to change the topics/Gangsta lyrics
we need a new sound/vibe which sounds as melodic/smooth as g-funk, but still something different

[d-nice]

Aren't there millions of people in CA? Wouldn't west coast artists do better to market to other californians rather than trying to keep up with some national trend? Don't alot of east coast cats go gold and plat just from the east coast? Cats i've never heard of come up with platinum numbers sometimes man. what would the flaw in such a strategy be?

-T

Because most of the artists still doing it have put out such classic material (Snoop, DPG, Cube, etc) we being west coast fans do not allow our artists to grow and expand to make different music. It always has to sound like Doggystyle or AMW or something else.

what's AMW?

anyway....I think we're all find with artists doing new shit. but there's a HUGE difference between doing new shit and working with the hottest producers to mirror the hottest new sounds.

"I chose to work Storch, Just Blaze, Pharrell and Timbo cause it's never been done before...wanted to bring some new style to the game etc." who is believing such statements? Nobody. the fans ain't dumb. where's johnny j in this motherfucker? his shit was hot.

-T

Amerikkas Most Wanted. It ain't even about beats hardly anymore. We critize flow, beats, guests, everything. You can't win with some "supposed" west coast fans. If it sounds like some old stuff, there is no growth, if it is new, the artists abandoning his roots. Think I'm lying? Check out the forum. Got these artists so confused they don't know what in the fuck to put out.

that's true.

i think what it is is that we want to see the artist collab with the people that they have before(most of us like it when DPGC do shit together) but we want them to progress at the same time...in other words...we'd like to see a new style album with the same participants which is just not likely to happen. which is a shame and that's where they let us down. with shit like the chronic and doggystyle, we were led to believe this group of artists could grow together, could do anything. it's just disappointing to see them go with pharrell and timbo to do something new as opposed to doing something new with the old crew.

-T

For example, people complain every Snoop album about guests appearances. Do people really realize how many people Snoop has worked with? If he worked with everyone we want he might as well put out a compilation instead. We don't allow growth and we don't allow change. It's a lose lose with most people.

But you come back in a few months and the same people actually listen to the album and love it. Dre did not want to work with Snoop until his Aftermath album flopped. Once he realized people still liked their music together did he do it. Snoop it the meantime ain't gonna wait hand and foot on Dre so he found new producers. And that is why Snoop is not afraid to try new things, whether people like it or not. He ain't waiting on Dre to get shit done, you see what waiting has done for the career of many artists on Aftermath. Try to have a open ear to some new shit. That is what people need to try to do.

the aftermath album went platinum for one thing. i don't think that was as much of a dissappointment as say the firm (frankly, they acted like it was a nas/dre album and if it was it woulda done multi plat, but fuckin fox brown had more dre production than nas on that bitch. once the streets heard it, there was only the million cats who didn't know that yet/wanted as much dre/nas as they could get anyway that copped it) going only platinum.

anyway, I think dre would have worked with snoop again anyway. he just needed to do other stuff as well. didn't they do 'zoom' like in 96?

but otherwise yeah i feel you.

fuckin' crooked. frankly that was DR's fault.

I think crooked is waiting for detox to shine the light on the west coast again, he was on DR when 2001 came out. 'say dr.dre' implies that crooked may be on detox. if this is so, he can pull a SIAM or a restless or whatever and ride on dre's coattails for a Gold plaque.

-T

IMO the reason the Firm did not sell is because it was too mainstream sounding at the time an it felt more like a compilation with all the guests. Excluding Dre's stuff, they were on that Mafioso shit a little too much. That is why Nas lost so many fans, he went from Nasty Nas to Nas Escobar. Dre's style really did not mesh well with the direction they were going.

Dre cut all ties from anyone connected with Death Row, and it was at the height of DPGC. So yeah the average fan wants to hear Snoop hook back up with Dre on another Chronic. He could not do it any other way than that way. But now the problem is we don't have another Dr. Dre like producer. We have a bunch of dope ones, but people still constantly compare them to Dre. Fred Wreck has gotten some shine and Battlecat as well but not the shine they deserve. So the impression to most is Dre has to be on a west coast album for it to blow up and those expections are unfair. 

I loved that mafioso funk shit, but it is definitely not a poppy sound that alot could get into.

furthermore,what made the chronic/doggystyle/efil4zaggin etc. is that there was a consistent group of people making the music. was common's BE the last major album to come out with one producer and one rapper on every song? Dre and snoop still do classic level songs (buck em, round here, hennessey n buddah all doggystyle quality) but people want a whole record of dopeness.

I guarantee you if DPGC did a whole album with battlecat or fred wreck they'd get some shine. it would give the vocalists and the producers time to really flex, you know? have fun in the studio, fuck around, experiment.  but that's yet to happen. people dismiss the idea of re-doing the chronic/doggystyle because the idea of stagnant sound but what made those albums so dope is that they had diversity within them as well as having some recurring aspects. lodi dodi is miles and miles away from pump pump but there's something underlyingly dre-funky about both tracks.

new albums need to try to have a cohesive consisten team that tries new things within the framework of an album. as tall of an order as that sounds, it's nothing fred wreck or battlecat couldn't do. frankly, i feel it's what they've been waiting to do.

anyway, my original point was this:

a cat like daz, Eiht, Quik etc. would do much better to try to sell his record to a million californians than a million americans.

-T

True, but a million californians don't know what they want from their artists. Half don't even like the Bay or support it and vice versa. Houston goes to bat for their artists man. They damn near go gold in Houston alone. Our artists try new shit because when they were doing west coast shit, people out there said they live in the past. So they think they need a more universal sound and we say they sellouts. So you tell me how are you going to sell to a coast that can't make they mind up what they want. G-Funk or new shit?

seriously, we need g funk production(west coast strongest point) with backpack/NONGANGSTA raps(west coast weakest point).

restless was a HALF assed attempt at that. dre or people on dre's level should have done the whole record.

-T

See to me the west got that backpack rap on lock too. Evidence's album is crazy tight, the problem is fans won't broaden they taste and give it a shot. Xzibit was a perfect example of bridging the gap. But after him no other artists were able to pick up on that success. Golden State Warriors? Perfect time to drop that album would have been after Restless.  

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^ although I like g-funk productions, we need to realize it's over... I don't think it's enough to change the topics/Gangsta lyrics
we need a new sound/vibe which sounds as melodic/smooth as g-funk, but still something different

what else could be melodic/smooth? jazz rap? premier/guru did that
rock rap? In all honesty, I like the more rock-ish stuff daz was doing with mike dean alot, shit is fresh. also, tracks like 'real niggaz don't die' that dre/nwa did to me is the way rock should infuse rap, mad energy and melody. that riff is still unstoppable.
blues rap? people hate on everlast, but blues is just as black and street and real of a music as rap is. and if eminem would have shut the fuck up, some cool motherfuckers could have done some cool shit with it.

and don't tell me rap can make a new melodic/smooth sound without borrowing from another genre
a)if rap people could, they would have by now
b)rap is one of the least musical musics out there. it is an art that is half music half poetry. shit is only 50% music alot of the time.
c)rap is built on borrowing from other genres.
d)look at what happens when rap tries to make a new sound: shit like "in da club" "hustlers", "get low" and "trouble" from dre are all very unique sounding and worthwhile experiments BUT the synth strings have GOT to go. shit is horribly midi-sounding.

Live motherfucking bands, that shit always sounds good. anyway....I'm down for a non g-funk production sound..i just can't imagine what. one thing is certain though: it must be smooth and melodic.

and dnice, the west does have some sick backpackers BUT theyare rarely well produced.

-T