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Elevz

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2007, 10:10:02 AM »
if you still fail to recognise the pathetic loser in yourself, you might want to see a psychologist.

lol, you obviously don't have the slightest clue of what a psychologist does. And you call yourself smart?

You really are good at proving me right once again. Psychologists are simply people who are expert in the field of psychology (usually people with a scientific degree in psychology). You're probably confused with a psychiatric, who is a doctor specialized in treating mentally ill people.
Psychologists are interested in mental processes and behaviour. They work all over the spectrum of labour economics. They might be able to help you do something about your megalomania.
Do your homework before falsely trying to discredit me again. Hit that diss button again, that'll surely make you a man.

And just for a small ironic side note... I'm becoming (however interdisciplinary) an academic psychologist myself. You wouldn't think I'm totally ignorant about the field of science I'm operating in now, would you?
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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2007, 10:11:44 AM »
P.S.: I wouldn't call myself smart. I'm just careful, accurate and articulate.

P.P.S.: Have you read the newspapers today? "Studie economie is slechte keus" (De Volkskrant 28-11-2007, Economie p.7) And I quote:
"Het tekort aan personeel zal de komende jaren groter worden. Nu al geldt dat het vinden van hoogopgeleid personeel lastig is. Komende tijd zal ook de vraag naar personeel met lagere opleidingen stijgen. Een uitzondering vormen banen waarvoor een economische of een zorgopleiding [...] voor nodig is. Op deze gebieden worden - op alle opleidingsniveaus - juist personeelsoverschotten verwacht, omdat te veel studenten kiezen voor een dergelijke opleiding."

There you go, being a freshman in an economical education (accountancy?) at the HAN in Arnhem. Oh yeah, you'll be richer than anyone on the planet. Megalomania? What's that?
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2007, 11:35:51 AM »
if you still fail to recognise the pathetic loser in yourself, you might want to see a psychologist.

lol, you obviously don't have the slightest clue of what a psychologist does. And you call yourself smart?

You really are good at proving me right once again. Psychologists are simply people who are expert in the field of psychology (usually people with a scientific degree in psychology). You're probably confused with a psychiatric, who is a doctor specialized in treating mentally ill people.
Psychologists are interested in mental processes and behaviour. They work all over the spectrum of labour economics. They might be able to help you do something about your megalomania.
Do your homework before falsely trying to discredit me again. Hit that diss button again, that'll surely make you a man.

And just for a small ironic side note... I'm becoming (however interdisciplinary) an academic psychologist myself. You wouldn't think I'm totally ignorant about the field of science I'm operating in now, would you?

lol, like i said before; you dont have a clue what a psychologist acually does. It's like saying "a singer is good in singing". But you dont know what a psychologist really does. And megalomania hasn't been classified as an official mental disorder, so stop using terms that are only used in populair media. And finally, what makes you think I study economics?
 

Elevz

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2007, 12:26:37 PM »
lol, like i said before; you dont have a clue what a psychologist acually does. It's like saying "a singer is good in singing". But you dont know what a psychologist really does. And megalomania hasn't been classified as an official mental disorder, so stop using terms that are only used in populair media. And finally, what makes you think I study economics?

Okay, so now all of a sudden, according to you, I do not have a clue of my own field of science. That explains why I'm headed for a nomination for a honours master. ::)

Anyone with a voice can sing and can thus be a singer, but not everyone can be a good singer. But now you're implying everyone can get a university degree in psychology?

"psy·chol·o·gist (sī-kŏl'ə-jĭst) pronunciation
noun
An individual who has completed a programme of study in psychology and is engaged in research, clinical treatment, teaching, or other applications of psychology."

Source: www.answers.com

Now tell me again I don't have a clue and neither does the dictionary. Huh?

And megalomania hasn't been classified as an official mental disorder, so stop using terms that are only used in populair media.

I don't know who told you that, but it actually is an official psychosis. It's a personality disorder, and yes, personality disorders are officially mental disorders (whatever 'officially' in science means). I guess that's why there's heaps of official papers and studies on megalomania to be found in academic libraries; because it's something that's only mentioned in popular media... ::)  I'm sorry to bust your bubble once again, but your blank statements make very little sense.

And finally, what makes you think I study economics?

Your refusing to tell. Wouldn't you love to rub it in, were my guessing totally off?
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2007, 03:45:57 AM »
I don't know who told you that, but it actually is an official psychosis. It's a personality disorder, and yes, personality disorders are officially mental disorders (whatever 'officially' in science means). I guess that's why there's heaps of official papers and studies on megalomania to be found in academic libraries; because it's something that's only mentioned in popular media... ::)  I'm sorry to bust your bubble once again, but your blank statements make very little sense.

11z, as much as I hate Xander's attitube, as a clinial psychologist I'm afraid I have to disagree on you with this. I think your confusing symptoms and syndromes here. A psychosis is a symptom and can result in megalomania. It just depends on the way a psychosis is being expressed; A psychosis can also make a person hostile, anxious, etc. Thereofre, a megalomanic psychosis is not a symdrome. It can be a symptom of a variety of disorders, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Because of that, it is not included in the DSM IV, the "official" handbook of mental disorders (I think that's what Xander was talking about).
A mechalomanic personality disorder, like you describes, does not exist in the current version of the DSM. Again, megalomania can be a symptom of personality disorders like a histrionic, or a narcissistic personality disorder. However, this type of megalomia differs completely from the psychotic type, cause now it's part of the persons personality and not due to a psychosis/hallucination.

So Xander's either hallucinating, or he's suffering from a personality disorder. And have a prop for putting so much effort into proving Xander wrong!  
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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2007, 04:22:54 AM »
now this dude knows what he's talking about^^ unlike you eleven. Psychologist my ass!!
 

Elevz

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2007, 04:56:42 AM »
I don't know who told you that, but it actually is an official psychosis. It's a personality disorder, and yes, personality disorders are officially mental disorders (whatever 'officially' in science means). I guess that's why there's heaps of official papers and studies on megalomania to be found in academic libraries; because it's something that's only mentioned in popular media... ::)  I'm sorry to bust your bubble once again, but your blank statements make very little sense.

11z, as much as I hate Xander's attitube, as a clinial psychologist I'm afraid I have to disagree on you with this. I think your confusing symptoms and syndromes here. A psychosis is a symptom and can result in megalomania. It just depends on the way a psychosis is being expressed; A psychosis can also make a person hostile, anxious, etc. Thereofre, a megalomanic psychosis is not a symdrome. It can be a symptom of a variety of disorders, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Because of that, it is not included in the DSM IV, the "official" handbook of mental disorders (I think that's what Xander was talking about).
A mechalomanic personality disorder, like you describes, does not exist in the current version of the DSM. Again, megalomania can be a symptom of personality disorders like a histrionic, or a narcissistic personality disorder. However, this type of megalomia differs completely from the psychotic type, cause now it's part of the persons personality and not due to a psychosis/hallucination.

So Xander's either hallucinating, or he's suffering from a personality disorder. And have a prop for putting so much effort into proving Xander wrong! 

Good job on pointing out the flaws; you're perhaps right about me being inaccurate there. What I meant to say is that megalomania actually is a condition which is officially recognised in psychology; not just in popular media. There's no denying that. Question to you: are psychosises always necessarily syndromes? Because I'm well aware of megalomania not being a syndrome; I may have erred in calling it a psychosis while it's 'just a condition'. However:
"Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a 'loss of contact with reality.'" Stedman's Medical Dictionary

It says mental state, not mental disorder / syndrome. I think I'm getting even more confused now...

By the way, lmao @ you actually drawing the conclusion that Xander is an interesting subject for a psychological case study. Either hallucinating or suffering from a personality disorder (I say the latter)... In your face!

Besides, I wasn't aware that you already graduated! I was already wondering why I don't see you on the faculty of social sciences in Utrecht... So what's it you're doing these days?
 

Elevz

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2007, 05:00:21 AM »
now this dude knows what he's talking about^^ unlike you eleven. Psychologist my ass!!

He said you're hallucinating or having a personality disorder. Go tell your mother.

I didn't say I'm a psychologist, but psychology plays an important role in my (interdisciplinary) discipline, which I by a long shot haven't graduated for yet. Nor have I ever claimed I was, or will be (edit: a psychologist, that is).
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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2007, 05:43:57 AM »
Question to you: are psychosises always necessarily syndromes?

I suppose you mean symptomes  :P ? I re-checked my DSM, and you were right too (guess it's still confusing for me aswell). A psychosis alone can more or less be a disorder by itself too. One example is a delusional disorder, which has a couple of subtypes. One of those subtypes is the grandiose type (=megalomania I think), which is characterized by excessive feelings of power, welth and knowledge. Lol, sounds very much like Xander. So here's the overview:

Schizophrenia&psychotic disorder -> Delusional disorder -> Grandiose Type aka. Xander Niks

Lol @ how this topic has turned out! Yeah I graduated and I'm currently doing a research on Borderline personality disorder in Hilversum. It's a preparation for the real work as a practical psychologist. Looks like I have my first cliënt with Xander! So how's your study going these days?

BTW do you consider rap in the 90's better than present day rap?   :raisetheroof:
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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2007, 07:05:17 AM »
All this overlap and the use of subcategories is damned confusing, but I believe we've pretty much come to a consensus, haven't we?

Question to you: are psychosises always necessarily syndromes?

I suppose you mean symptomes  :P ?

Actually, no. Symptomes (can) indicate syndromes, I know that. But does the word psychosis refer to a state of mind, or to the behaviour it results in? I thought it was the first, thus psychosises are related to syndromes (and only indirectly to symptomes). I was only wondering if this is a rule, or even in how much this applies.

Lol @ how this topic has turned out! Yeah I graduated and I'm currently doing a research on Borderline personality disorder in Hilversum. It's a preparation for the real work as a practical psychologist. Looks like I have my first cliënt with Xander!

That's funny, we were actually discussing the core of your work here! But hell, borderline personality disorder - you sure have gotten yourself into a tough subject there. Are you planning on working with such patients all your life? Because damn, you need a strong personality to be able to cope with that in the long run... I know I couldn't (and wouldn't want to, for that matter). Props though, that's some really interesting work you do.

So how's your study going these days?

You probably already noticed, I'm an ASW'er now. It felt like coming home when I finally started in Utrecht! People hadn't expected someone with Havo and a HBO diploma to be able to compete with the best out there, but they were proven wrong. ;) A combination of writing skills and an endless will to learn everything there is to learn about the fields of science (sociology, psychology and cultural anthropology) has helped me really find my way there. It's still a long way to go, but I'm planning on specialising in ethics, getting me minors and/or masters in the fields of politicology and/or philosophy and maybe, if possible, a research master. That's just me daydreaming though. We'll see how things develop... Plus, living in Amsterdam Oud-Zuid with Thomas as my roommate - life is good man, I'm telling you!
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2007, 07:11:37 AM »
BTW do you consider rap in the 90's better than present day rap?   :raisetheroof:

lmao. erm... Rappers actually used to rhyme back then. Good raps are rare these days. It's just that listening to rap music on a whole pretty much bores me now.
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2007, 09:03:59 AM »
whatever y'all. You need to take a close look on yourselves and stop drinking that haterade.
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2007, 09:38:14 AM »
whatever y'all. You need to take a close look on yourselves and stop drinking that haterade.

lol, +1
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2007, 09:18:32 AM »
All this overlap and the use of subcategories is damned confusing, but I believe we've pretty much come to a consensus, haven't we?

Question to you: are psychosises always necessarily syndromes?

I suppose you mean symptomes  :P ?

Actually, no. Symptomes (can) indicate syndromes, I know that. But does the word psychosis refer to a state of mind, or to the behaviour it results in? I thought it was the first, thus psychosises are related to syndromes (and only indirectly to symptomes). I was only wondering if this is a rule, or even in how much this applies.

Lol @ how this topic has turned out! Yeah I graduated and I'm currently doing a research on Borderline personality disorder in Hilversum. It's a preparation for the real work as a practical psychologist. Looks like I have my first cliënt with Xander!

That's funny, we were actually discussing the core of your work here! But hell, borderline personality disorder - you sure have gotten yourself into a tough subject there. Are you planning on working with such patients all your life? Because damn, you need a strong personality to be able to cope with that in the long run... I know I couldn't (and wouldn't want to, for that matter). Props though, that's some really interesting work you do.

So how's your study going these days?

You probably already noticed, I'm an ASW'er now. It felt like coming home when I finally started in Utrecht! People hadn't expected someone with Havo and a HBO diploma to be able to compete with the best out there, but they were proven wrong. ;) A combination of writing skills and an endless will to learn everything there is to learn about the fields of science (sociology, psychology and cultural anthropology) has helped me really find my way there. It's still a long way to go, but I'm planning on specialising in ethics, getting me minors and/or masters in the fields of politicology and/or philosophy and maybe, if possible, a research master. That's just me daydreaming though. We'll see how things develop... Plus, living in Amsterdam Oud-Zuid with Thomas as my roommate - life is good man, I'm telling you!

Ehm, I believe a psychosis refers to the state of mind. The disorder is the behaviour that results from that state of mind. But psychosises can be both symptomes and syndromes. It's a symptom of schizophrenia. Other symptomes are emotional numbness and lack of energy for example. But psychosises only can also indicate a psychotic disorder, whereby the psychosis is the only sympton, what automatically makes it the symdrom. 
As far as the Borderline research; I'm not in actual contact with the cliënts. I'm doing a research on a specific borderline treatment program (DGT). Shortly, I measure pre- and posttreatment differences and then hope to find a treatment effect. In order to do so, I have to dig through cliënt's personal files, and often bump into some pretty shocking things (child abuse, automutulation, suïcide).
Nice to hear you live in Amsterdam now! How did you manage to find a house there? And how's the musical career going?
 

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Re: was rap in the 90's better than present day rap
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2007, 03:18:14 AM »
^I think you suffer from borderline