umm West Coast Crown Since 2Pac?

[Don Rizzle]

i don't care what yall say but.......when pac was on deathrow he was more of an image than a rapper

[Trauma-san]

I'm Starting To REALLLLLLY Like Ka Rule.... LOL

[Mr_Loc]

infinite for the last time, IM NOT DISSIN DRE! damn i love that fool dog, just cuz i dont think he is the only person worth listening to doesnt mean im dissin him, shiiiiittt.

you dont seem to get what im saying, im not calling dre a sellout, im calling him a genius for catering to exactly what the market wants. commercial doesnt automatically mean bad, shit we all have a ton of commercial albums, meaning albums that sold well. Dre is a commercial artist now, meaning he caters to large audiences, I DONT MEAN HE IS POP.

damn it is hard as fuck to get my point across to some people. here we go in capitals: I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRE AND SNOOP FANS ON EARTH BUT I LIKE OTHER WEST COAST ARTISTS TOO AND I FEEL THEY SHOULD GET SOME PROPS.

damn even after i tried to end the topic you came back and twisted my words, sheeeesh.

lets see how you turn that into 'mr loc is dissn dre'

[West Coast Veteran]

i dont understand why my question was pathetic? BIGGIE had the EAST but now JAY-Z got it..i was juss wonderin who people think has the WEST on lock??? and 2Pac was seen as the KING...my question was more towards lyrical capability than who is the most commercially succesful THAT IS why i put down ICE CUBE instead of SNOOP n DRE!

[Mr_Loc]

you mean we had that big ass discussion over the wrong topic LOL.

shit if you just want the best lyricists on the west, look to techniec, crooked i, and short khop. them young cats have got heat.

[West Coast Veteran]

hehe i guess i didnt specifically describe what i was lookin for...LOL...i was askin who yall think has the west coast crown after pac by lyrical skills and to who has it on lock...DRE does not count to me cuz he aint a MC...Cube n SNoop would be my first choices because they have lyrical SKILLS and so called POWER in the west....techniec n short kop n all them juss got skill and dont got nuttin on lock...well it doesnt matter i juss wanted to know yallz opinions ONE!

[NobodyButMe]

what the fuck are you guys talking about, "pac never had the west crown." now that's plain ignorance (or just hatin') if i ever heard it. don't even try to tell me that pac wasn't all over the lips of every hip hop head across the country in '96, when most of the rest of the world couldn't even tell you who dr dre was.

and as for that shit "dre produced and was featured in pac's greatest song"....give me a fuckin break. as if anyone will ever name that song as pac's biggest hit. ask anyone, even anyone who doesn't like hip hop and they'd never say that 'california love' was pac's greatest song.

and ya'll are trying to say that pac was more of an image than a rapper? that is the wackest shit i ever heard. dre and snoop even ADMIT that the shit they spit is made up, make believe.....they ADMIT that they're studio gangsters. come on with that shit. if anyone EVER lived out his words it was pac.

regardless of whether you hated him (ka rule) or loved him, he was on top of the rap game as a whole before he died. he's a fucking legend. the first rapper EVER to do a double disc and go 7x platinum....you can't say that his biggest hit was because of dre.

[West Coast Veteran]

what the fuck are you guys talking about, "pac never had the west crown." now that's plain ignorance (or just hatin') if i ever heard it. don't even try to tell me that pac wasn't all over the lips of every hip hop head across the country in '96, when most of the rest of the world couldn't even tell you who dr dre was.

and as for that shit "dre produced and was featured in pac's greatest song"....give me a fuckin break. as if anyone will ever name that song as pac's biggest hit. ask anyone, even anyone who doesn't like hip hop and they'd never say that 'california love' was pac's greatest song.

and ya'll are trying to say that pac was more of an image than a rapper? that is the wackest shit i ever heard. dre and snoop even ADMIT that the shit they spit is made up, make believe.....they ADMIT that they're studio gangsters. come on with that shit. if anyone EVER lived out his words it was pac.

regardless of whether you hated him (ka rule) or loved him, he was on top of the rap game as a whole before he died. he's a fucking legend. the first rapper EVER to do a double disc and go 7x platinum....you can't say that his biggest hit was because of dre.

WORD! N.W.A. Had It First - Dre Had The Crown When Chronic Came Out -SNoop Had it when Doggystyle came out - And 2PAC HAD IT FROM WHEN HE JOINED DEATHROW Til HIS DEATH AND TO SOME EXTENT EVEN AFTER THROUGH HIS POSTHUOMOUS RELEASES!

[King of tha Coast (Guest)]

Pac was just an image, if anyone was commercial then it without a doubt was Pac with Deathrow.

he would always be sayin West this west that, while in the reality he was from the eastcoast, he wasn't even that hardcore as people think, just cause he got killed, or got shot once or twice doesn't make him hard, it makes him stupid enough to hang with the wrong people after havin blown up and being rich, offcourse everyone shoots a rich motherfucker with money.

Dre stood up to Suge, he was hard
Snoop stood up to Suge, he was hard
Pac got killed with Suge sittin next to him, you figure out the conclusion

I am not hatin on Pac, just lettin y'all know that we all don't think that Pac was the greatest while everone else are soft bitches

and yes Dre produced Pac greatest hit, it was tht song that made him blow up, without Cali Love Pac would've never reached out to the west.

peace

[Jay ay Beee]

That's true
JTPlatinum : Tupac rapper who turns into a gangster
Snoop gangster who turns into a rapper

We all know who lived the life before talking about it
It wasn't Pac

If u like seeing six year olds get shot then idolize Pac

But if u can look up to someone who changed their ways through rap then it's Snoop

[West Coast Veteran]

Pac did the same shit Snoop did when he was young...they both sold dope and scrapped and got into shit..they both have never killed anyone...so i dont see what the difference between them is other than Snoop became positive while Pac remained negative?

[Jay ay Beee]

Pac was involved in the killing of a 6 yr old

JT claimed that Snoop was fake
NO

[infinite59]

How do you know Snoop never killed anyone?

He was a Rolling 20 Cript from Long Beach, there's a good chance he might have killed someone.  And he was driving the car when Phillip Waldemarian got shot.  But anyway...

I'm not saying it was 2pac's best song, but California Love is the only 2pac song that always makes those countdowns they did at the end of the millenium for greatest songs of the 90's.  And it is the one I still hear today on radio and still see occasionally on video.

And Mr. Loc.....  I get what your saying.

[Jay ay Beee]

Who's Phillip Waldemarian?
Is that the guy that got killed when Snoop got charged with murder or sum1 else?

[West Coast Veteran]

not all gang members are killers...Ice T said that only about 10% off all gang bangers are killers the rest just wanna slang or belong to a group to be cool...i dunno theres always a possibility that Snoop killed someone but in my opinion i think he hasnt...they killed Phillip in self defense