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U kno what I hate more than black people who still complain about slavery today?
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: Turf Hitta on May 27, 2009, 09:47:00 PM ---yeah i dont see the big deal. 400 years of captivity , rapes, beatings, mutilations and forced labor while being fed endtrails to eat is peanuts and defitely does not have a direct effect on the black condition today. besides, those reparations they promised but never issued really leveled the playing field for blacks and now everything is equal and racism doesn't exist and no more blacks suffer because of it. thank god the police love us.
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BTW, real spit!
virtuoso:
Were the scots not slaves?
Were the Russians not slaves under Serfdom
Were the Ukranians slaves to the Bolsheviks?
What about the whites who worked to death in the sugar mills of the Caribbean prior to the arrival of black slaves?
What about the white children sold into being slaves in the work houses
What about the hundreds of thousands of white slaves who died on the ships to America? (not voluntary workers, I am talking about those who had no choice).
What about in England the 5 year old boys whipped and beaten, whose only purpose to clean the chimneys of their masters?
No rights, no protections, no respect, no health care, no hope and yet I have to read pathetic spineless white people bitch about how evil whites are and read the thoughts of self righteous black people who seem to care not about any of these facts.
Oh but these people didn't wear chains....!!!! you think if these poor people were deemed to be answering back or getting out of line that they wouldn't be chained up and beaten?!
Then it hits me, this IS about racism, racism towards white people, a loathing which has been programmed in, a belittling towards both the plight that white people have endured, and a loathing when the actions of evil are inflicted by white people.
Do I read passionate threads from these people about the REAL and actual and fairly open practice of slavery still practiced in Africa, you know black people making other blacks their slaves, NOPE
My stance is quite clear FUCK YOU to all racism and to the pathetic grovelling whites I say get a grip and stop placing one race as lesser or superior to another.
Blood of Abraham:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 08, 2013, 12:56:04 PM ---Were the scots not slaves?
Were the Russians not slaves under Serfdom
Were the Ukranians slaves to the Bolsheviks?
What about the whites who worked to death in the sugar mills of the Caribbean prior to the arrival of black slaves?
What about the white children sold into being slaves in the work houses
What about the hundreds of thousands of white slaves who died on the ships to America? (not voluntary workers, I am talking about those who had no choice).
What about in England the 5 year old boys whipped and beaten, whose only purpose to clean the chimneys of their masters?
No rights, no protections, no respect, no health care, no hope and yet I have to read pathetic spineless white people bitch about how evil whites are and read the thoughts of self righteous black people who seem to care not about any of these facts.
Oh but these people didn't wear chains....!!!! you think if these poor people were deemed to be answering back or getting out of line that they wouldn't be chained up and beaten?!
Then it hits me, this IS about racism, racism towards white people, a loathing which has been programmed in, a belittling towards both the plight that white people have endured, and a loathing when the actions of evil are inflicted by white people.
Do I read passionate threads from these people about the REAL and actual and fairly open practice of slavery still practiced in Africa, you know black people making other blacks their slaves, NOPE
My stance is quite clear FUCK YOU to all racism and to the pathetic grovelling whites I say get a grip and stop placing one race as lesser or superior to another.
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i tend to agree with most of what you are saying here.
fight the power.
KrazySumwhat:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 08, 2013, 12:56:04 PM ---Were the scots not slaves?
Were the Russians not slaves under Serfdom
Were the Ukranians slaves to the Bolsheviks?
What about the whites who worked to death in the sugar mills of the Caribbean prior to the arrival of black slaves?
What about the white children sold into being slaves in the work houses
What about the hundreds of thousands of white slaves who died on the ships to America? (not voluntary workers, I am talking about those who had no choice).
What about in England the 5 year old boys whipped and beaten, whose only purpose to clean the chimneys of their masters?
No rights, no protections, no respect, no health care, no hope and yet I have to read pathetic spineless white people bitch about how evil whites are and read the thoughts of self righteous black people who seem to care not about any of these facts.
Oh but these people didn't wear chains....!!!! you think if these poor people were deemed to be answering back or getting out of line that they wouldn't be chained up and beaten?!
Then it hits me, this IS about racism, racism towards white people, a loathing which has been programmed in, a belittling towards both the plight that white people have endured, and a loathing when the actions of evil are inflicted by white people.
Do I read passionate threads from these people about the REAL and actual and fairly open practice of slavery still practiced in Africa, you know black people making other blacks their slaves, NOPE
My stance is quite clear FUCK YOU to all racism and to the pathetic grovelling whites I say get a grip and stop placing one race as lesser or superior to another.
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Yeah some good points actually. I've discussed some of the stuff that i have read here and opinions of racist blacks or blacks that wont get out of the past with co workers, you see i work in a very multicultural environment.
Some Serbian guys mentioned what its like there, told me about their history and about war, slavery, dictatorship(well communism), etc and how if you ever lived here you have experienced war yet you dont hear any of them crying about it and using it as an excuse to expect sympathy or hand outs or to blindly hate everyone who isn't one of them.
And iam pretty sure Middle eastern slave traders sold black slaves back in tha day too, to the whites and etc but i could do some more homework on that.
Anyway, again, its 2013! I dont know what America is like but in Australia is multicultural as fuck. Theres not really any point being truely racist anymore, my country has been taken over just as the English took it from the Aborigines!
Just like how the Pakistanis have taken the UK and the Latinos will take America! :P
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on April 08, 2013, 12:56:04 PM ---Were the scots not slaves?
Were the Russians not slaves under Serfdom
Were the Ukranians slaves to the Bolsheviks?
What about the whites who worked to death in the sugar mills of the Caribbean prior to the arrival of black slaves?
What about the white children sold into being slaves in the work houses
What about the hundreds of thousands of white slaves who died on the ships to America? (not voluntary workers, I am talking about those who had no choice).
What about in England the 5 year old boys whipped and beaten, whose only purpose to clean the chimneys of their masters?
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I'm a little surprised that you can't see differences from case to case.
Sure, the Scots endured oppression for many centuries. But in Scotland they remained as a people, with a shared heritage and a cultural identity.
Many Russians were serfs. But firstly has Russia also a long and proud tradition of being intellectuals, scientists and artists and shared heritage and a cultural identity. Secondly, don't act as if Russia as a whole had a functional society. You can very well blame that on serfdom and what came with it and I can't see a reason to not bring it up as an explanation, as well as black slavery regarding African-Americans.
Yeah, indeed, what about the white slaves in the Carribbean? I mean, I'd never denigrate their individual suffering but I can't see the 40 million whites in the Carribbean that, by skin color, had been totally disenfranchised and disconnected from everything that could work as a basis for a shared identity. Well, except for that skin color.
The hundreds of thousands of whites that died on the ships are dead. There's no need for an explanation for them underachieving. Just like the blacks that died on the ships don't need such reasons.
The stories of those white slaves are as sad as the ones of the black slaves and it should be taught as well. For the sake of a better understanding of the world, to realise that things are never only black or white (no pun intended).
But you can hardly hold black Americans responsible for the failures of our educational systems and it also doesn't strip them from their right to point out slavery as a damn good explanation for a good portion of their problems in the American society.
What about the enslaved children? I don't know, can you single them out? Maybe their descendants are underachieving, too, who knows? But it damn sure hasn't been only 50 years since they all were practically considered sub-human.
I know, there are way too many uneducated people that parrot the things they were taught and they are told and it doesn't do reality justice. You can condemn white guilt and black self-righteousness, sure. After all, people are ignorant and lazy, readjusting your views and opinions can be hard and painful. So too many people simply don't.
But that all doesn't take away from the fact that black slaves in the U.S. experienced the destruction of every aspect of their lifes and identity. No language, no history, no culture, no family structures, no value as humans, for hundreds of years, and to an extent that situation prevailed til the mid of the 20th century.
Personally, I don't understand white guilt, it's ridiculous to me. But at the same time I can't see what's so difficult about acknowledging the exceptional dimension of what happened to African-Americans and that it still affects many of them gravely.
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