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Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 07:42:06 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:56:21 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 06:15:52 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:04:02 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:47:56 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.this isn't about who's right or wrong.but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Drehe may be overrated, but that's another story.I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.the truth is, you can't.you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.we could also go on off course, that's fine too.i was just trying to help you realise somethingWow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more. you just proved that you don't know shit about producing.i'm not able to gain knowledge for you, you need to do that yourself before running your mouth.also, you can stick with your thick headed version of the truth, but as i said, the reality is that you're still trying to beat around the bush.that's not an assumption: it's just how you act.by the way, you got it wrong if you think that this is about Dre: i hate bias & i especially hate it when someone denies it and covers it. so don't blame me for confronting you with it; don't do the crime, if you can't do the timeso Dre doesn't need to do anything, as you made a mistake, not Dr.Dre. you're stuck with a misconception.it's you that needs to change.you need to have the balls to shallow your pride.so don't even bother contacting me about this, unless you've finally realised that you were wrong.LMAO!! You're rather amusing. Thanks for my lesson. I'm highly enlightened now, massa! Appreciate it, Dre-Day.
Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:56:21 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 06:15:52 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:04:02 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:47:56 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.this isn't about who's right or wrong.but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Drehe may be overrated, but that's another story.I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.the truth is, you can't.you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.we could also go on off course, that's fine too.i was just trying to help you realise somethingWow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more. you just proved that you don't know shit about producing.i'm not able to gain knowledge for you, you need to do that yourself before running your mouth.also, you can stick with your thick headed version of the truth, but as i said, the reality is that you're still trying to beat around the bush.that's not an assumption: it's just how you act.by the way, you got it wrong if you think that this is about Dre: i hate bias & i especially hate it when someone denies it and covers it. so don't blame me for confronting you with it; don't do the crime, if you can't do the timeso Dre doesn't need to do anything, as you made a mistake, not Dr.Dre. you're stuck with a misconception.it's you that needs to change.you need to have the balls to shallow your pride.so don't even bother contacting me about this, unless you've finally realised that you were wrong.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 06:15:52 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:04:02 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:47:56 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.this isn't about who's right or wrong.but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Drehe may be overrated, but that's another story.I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.the truth is, you can't.you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.we could also go on off course, that's fine too.i was just trying to help you realise somethingWow. We went off topic from the thread so I will respond one last time and then take it to the PM if need be. I'm not assuming that DRE does little by himself...the proof is in his discography. He doesn't write, doesn't play any instruments, needs co-producers, needs engineers, needs his slave master Jimmie, needs his idiot Eminem and so forth. I think he would actually release more if he didn't have all these people around him...so that needs to happen IMO. But if you're so omniscient then please reveal what it is that DRE actually does do besides pressing some buttons and coming up with some melody in his head. IMO, it takes a whole hell of a lot more to be considered the greatest producer ever in hip hop.Secondly, The truth is I'm not trying to "get away" with anything. That is an assumption. My wordplay is the way I write...take it or leave it. Everything I've said has been relevant to the conversation with emphasis on the Paris example and the other producers who assiduously release really solid music without a plethora of individuals doing the majority for them. I have no idea why you are fervently defending DRE when, in fact, there is not a whole lot to defend. When he starts dropping records on a regular basis without a dream team by his side I'll be glad to admit that I was wrong and will probably enjoy the music that much more.
Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 06:04:02 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:47:56 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.this isn't about who's right or wrong.but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Drehe may be overrated, but that's another story.I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. again, it's not a fact that Dre does very little by himself, you just assume.no i'm not kidding: you're trying to get away with it.the truth is, you can't.you can use funny wordplay, switch the subject, deny that you're being biased,but this radical defending strategy won't make a difference.you can be mature about it & and actually be honest, by admitting that you were biased.that's what i tried to tell you in my last post.we could also go on off course, that's fine too.i was just trying to help you realise something
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:47:56 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.this isn't about who's right or wrong.but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Drehe may be overrated, but that's another story.I'm discrediting Dre because he does very little himself and yet he gets all the recognition when, in fact, he has a good number of people who make him who he is. And I'm discrediting his fans who only give recognition to Dre himself. And the Paris example is perfect for what I originally said in my 1st post.LOL@ trying to save face. You've got to be kidding me!! I'm one of the few on here who uses logic when I write. And I'm not biased towards Dre. I'm honest. I love some of his work and the guy has an incredible ear for music but that's it. I know of many who have an incredible ear for music though. And it doesn't take them 10 years to produce a record. Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.
Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 05:18:10 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss you know you can be a critic & still enjoy a track.Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:30:51 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.stop looking so deep into the example; you were discrediting Dr.Dre for the fact that he doesn't do everything by himself.i used Paris as an example, just to point out that there's nothing wrong with not doing everything by yourself.also, lol at the sarcasm. why are switching the subject & taking my word out of context?by the way, there's no point in trying to save your face in this conversation.this isn't about who's right or wrong.but i would appreciate it if you just admitted that you're biased about Dr.Drehe may be overrated, but that's another story.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:07:37 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss It's neither I know that if I analyse the beat too much I'll find something I don't like - and now I'll be bitching about the drums everytime I hear it...thanks Also the reason why I've not really been reading all the replies in this thread; I'm enjoying Relapse at the moment, ignorance is bliss
Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:53:33 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it loli hope that this is a compliment, and not a diss
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 04:41:11 AMQuote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask MattyMaybe they were, but it bangs on my big speakers so I haven't bothered to dissect and critique the beat.Of course, now you've mentioned this I'll be checking for cheap drum sounds every time I listen to it lol
Quote from: Digital Pimpin' on May 08, 2009, 04:37:58 AMMark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer. you've got to admit that the drumsounds were cheap as hell.ask Matty
Mark Batson co-produced "Goriila Pimpin 5008" off Bishop's Confessional with Che Vicious...that was one of my favourite tracks last summer.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 05:17:25 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3amParis doesn't have an entire squad of people around him. He writes, produces, arranges, performs and mixes almost everything he releases. He also does the photography, cover designs, layout and graphics. However, he has an engineer, Bruce, who also does some guitar work. That's one hell of a difference between the 2.Locomotive? Is that why he never gets anywhere (aka releases anything?) I would say yes. If Dre wasn't such a perfectionist, a lovely euphemism BTW, then he would release something every year. These excuses need to kick rocks.
Quote from: Laconic on May 08, 2009, 05:11:01 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact. it is bias because you take a subjective argument as a fact.it is a fact that Dre doesn't do everything by himself, but that doesn't mean that he's not the locomotive.you might as well discredit Paris & other producers that work similar as DreQuote from: Okka on May 08, 2009, 05:09:41 AMAye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?it has a cool vibe, but it's a bit repetitive to me like 3am
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 08, 2009, 02:41:17 AMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 03:10:24 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity. i thought we were discussing Dre's work, not the actual person cause i can write pages about that too but the statement that Dre needs other people to make his stuff hot is just bullshit.that's bias right thereHow is that bias? Dre has a whole team with him almost every time he drops something. Co-producers, key players, guitar players, mixers, engineers and so forth. That's a fact.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 03:00:26 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years nowKhalil does Dre beats better than Dre does them IMO. And apparently he's not afraid to actually release product to be dissected. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dre did all of Em's new record minus the 1 but we're talking 10 years now since he's done that. And again, he needs others to make his shit as hot as it is. Just like his lyrics, almost everything is co-written/produced. I personally feel like it's a kick in the balls to Rakim, Joell Ortiz, Bishop and many others, including and, especially the fans, out there who could be doing some thing AMAZING with the production that is supplied. This shit kills me. At the end of the day like so many others, DRE is concerned with making money instead of integrity.
Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:54:43 PMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc. i can't speak on most of them, but DJ Khalil? lol.his sound is sometimes experimental, but that doesn't necessarily make the final product better.i find it funny that you mention him though, cause he imitates Dre from time to time to me there's no one as consistent as Dre: he's been dropping quality for several years now
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 07, 2009, 02:47:22 PMQuote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?Kno of Cunninlynguists, Ant from Atmosphere, Sabzi from Blue Scholars/Common Market, Dj Khalil, etc.
Quote from: Laconic on May 07, 2009, 02:35:58 PMNot feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.like who?
Not feeling Em's subject matter at all regardless of the "concept." However, his flow is crazy and you can definitely tell he's been hittin the treadmill with that type of breath control.The beats are pretty good for the most part. Still don't completely understand the Dre dickriding though. There are better producers out there who don't take years to release product.
Aye yo Dre-Day, what you think about the beat on "Stay Wide Awake" ?
Quote from: Bez on May 08, 2009, 09:44:26 AMWhen you think about it, We Made You is actually one of the best tracks on the album, now thats saying something.wtf? FAIL
i love how there is so much defensiveness against any negative opinions. discounting the trolls and general stupidity, it's obvious that people are literally STARVED for some good music.i won't front - from an instrumental viewpoint this isn't a complete fuck up (although personally i'm not that impressed) but that is a terrible argument for the album being good. dre is supposed to be a PRODUCER, not a beat maker and lets face it, more than half of this album is unlistenable due to eminem fucking it up. that seems to be the concensus too.will relapse 2 be encore part 3? i wouldn't bet against it.and that 'same song and dance' track is really terrible, a bad look for dawaun parker.
hey Action! chill out. sounds like your digging this record without being swept up in the intiial hype, so good on you. im in the starved for good music camp myself and this doesn't hit the spot. i think the lack of quality releases is a big factor for people dropping their standards and thinking records like that are better than they actually are. i'm not an eminem fan but i expected better results with dre producing the whole thing.you didn't think encore was terrible...well thats good! and i'm being straight, i'm glad somebody liked it cause it was wasted on my ears.having said that, anyone feeling this is definitely starved for good music cause RELAPSE IS A PILE OF CRAP!!! nah i'm joking. or maybe im HATING
fuck you
Quoteeminems lyrics are fucking garbage.loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
eminems lyrics are fucking garbage.
Sixty sluts all of ‘em dying from mass asphyxiaAfter they sip piss through a Christopher Reeves sippy cupdixy cups toxins boxes of oxy padsenough oxycotin to send a ****ing ox to rehabjacking off to a hockey mask at a boxing match****s about to get extra messy especially whenI flex again and throw a ****ing lesbian in wet cementSo ******* ******* ******* raggedy Ann and AndyNO raggedy Andy and Andy no it can't be, it can't beYes it can be the ****ing anti christ is back Dannyits Satan in black satin pantiesthis is Amityville calamity got damnit insanity pillsfanny pack filled with xanaxthrough every nook and crannylookin for trannys milk and cookies spilt on my silk negligee lookyRazor balades wit me to make you bleedcases of mabeline make up lay on the table of weedslim shady **** sounds like a fable to meuntil he jumps out the ****ing toilet when you're taking a peeSix seman samples Seventeen strands of hairFound in the back of a van after the shoot at Vanity FairHannah Montana prepare to elope with a can openerAnd be cut open like cantaloupe with canopy bedsWith glad bags, yeah glad to be backBitin’ into a ****ing Vicodin like I ‘am vikingOh, lightning strike it might be a ****ing sign I need a psychicEvaluation, **** Jason it’s Friday the nineteenthThat means it’s just a regular dayAnd this is the kind of **** I think of regularly****ing Lesbians shouldn’t of had her legs in the wayNow she’s pregnant and gayMissing both legs and begging to stay.Hit a fag with onionsThen split a bag of FunionsCannibal shooting animalOut of a cannon and have him catapult at an adultTo turn Halloween back to a Trick of Treat holidayHave Micheal Myers looking like a liarSwipe his powers replace his knife with flowers and a stack of flyers/Hit Jason Vorheys with a fortyStuck a repository up his assAnd made him tell me a storyGave Hannibal Elector a ****ing nectarineAnd sat him in the ****ing fruit and vegetable section and gave him a lectureWalked up elm street with a ****ing whiffle bat drewFought Freddy Krougar and Edward Scissor hands tooAnd came out with a little scratch owwLooking like I got into a ****ing pillow fight with a triple fat goose/