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why are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating?
Quote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 05:08:12 PMwhy are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating? LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 14, 2009, 05:32:36 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 05:08:12 PMwhy are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating? LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy.
Quote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 05:41:09 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 14, 2009, 05:32:36 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 05:08:12 PMwhy are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating? LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy. lol, i clearly posted 5 things that show it; but alright whatever.forget it, as long as Budden is shown in a bad light by the end of this thread you guys will be happy & i won't spoil your day. my personal favorite thing about this thread is the pride you guys take to try to expose me or something as a "fanboy" or "groupie", when all you have to do is go to the West Coast Section, click the "Official Internet Groupie Thread" or whatever it's called & it says it right their in black & white, me stating "i am a Joe Budden groupie".but again, you guys just deliberatly miss my point so your right & i am wrong; the main problem with this board is that people decide to stay so narrow minded to what they think is right, not even open to others opinons; i know you're going to try to come back & say "HOW CAN YOU EVEN TALK?", but again, if you actually read posts instead of just skimming through it & getting the point you would know that i am one of the most open minded people on this board, i allow myself to be convinced if their is a reasonable argument.but this guy just comes in & says Joe Budden is bad (basically what you're saying, i don't see how you think someone who is "overrated, lacking emotion; LOL, you even said his best song & your favorite song by him sounded boring and repeatative LMFAO!)somebody with any half of a brain come in here & show me you understand my point lmao; he goes "i even said that i haven't been feeling the music Wu has put out in years"; but i mean all those classics from the 90's were awesome right? so you did like them right?LOL!
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 14, 2009, 05:52:06 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 05:41:09 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 14, 2009, 05:32:36 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 14, 2009, 05:08:12 PMwhy are you bringing me up? I haven't cosigned or agreed with anything he's said about Budden. But as far as you trying to prove he's more biased than you, I'd say you're faling failing.I don't see anyone actually hating on Budden. Most people just don't think he is as good as you make him out to be. Nothing wrong with that. How is that hating? LOL, you clearly don't read enough threads in this section to truly say Budden just "isn't as good as i make out to be".their have been things said like "Budden is trash", "Budden is boring", "Budden is weak", "Budden is wack"; but na, you haven't seen that yet lol.like i also said, you're doing a great job reading what any of us said; i haven't been trying to show he's more biased than me, but he is biased, period. everyone's biased to some degree. It's impossible to not be biased. But nothing he has said makes him "anti-budden". He's even said he bumps a few Budden songs. you going after him just because a few people agree with his post makes you out as a fanboy. lol, i clearly posted 5 things that show it; but alright whatever.forget it, as long as Budden is shown in a bad light by the end of this thread you guys will be happy & i won't spoil your day. my personal favorite thing about this thread is the pride you guys take to try to expose me or something as a "fanboy" or "groupie", when all you have to do is go to the West Coast Section, click the "Official Internet Groupie Thread" or whatever it's called & it says it right their in black & white, me stating "i am a Joe Budden groupie".but again, you guys just deliberatly miss my point so your right & i am wrong; the main problem with this board is that people decide to stay so narrow minded to what they think is right, not even open to others opinons; i know you're going to try to come back & say "HOW CAN YOU EVEN TALK?", but again, if you actually read posts instead of just skimming through it & getting the point you would know that i am one of the most open minded people on this board, i allow myself to be convinced if their is a reasonable argument.but this guy just comes in & says Joe Budden is bad (basically what you're saying, i don't see how you think someone who is "overrated, lacking emotion; LOL, you even said his best song & your favorite song by him sounded boring and repeatative LMFAO!)somebody with any half of a brain come in here & show me you understand my point lmao; he goes "i even said that i haven't been feeling the music Wu has put out in years"; but i mean all those classics from the 90's were awesome right? so you did like them right?LOL!How the hell is Budden shown in a bad light? Because people place him last in a group of extremely talented emcees? Because people don't think he can go up against one of the greatest groups in hip hop? Nigga please.And saying someone is overrated isn't a negative thing. All it means is that he thinks you rate him too high. I think Pac is overrated as well. Yet he'd still make my top 10. Are you going to accuse me of hating Pac as well? I love Pac. I probably have more of his songs in my itunes than any other rapper.As far as him lacking emotion, you obviously didn't understand nuk's comment. He was talking about Budden's voice lacking emotion, not his lyrics. I don't think that's hating as its damn near universally accepted that the guy doesn't have the smoothest voice.I don't forum-stalk you so I wouldn't know who you are a groupie of. But now that you've came out I guess I'll just ignore you.
Quote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon*
Quote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1
Quote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.
Quote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.
How the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on July 13, 2009, 11:37:33 PMQuote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.
Quote from: HipHopISalive on July 14, 2009, 07:31:50 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on July 13, 2009, 11:37:33 PMQuote from: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 13, 2009, 10:53:05 PMQuote from: nuk23 on July 13, 2009, 07:42:09 PMQuote from: rapsodie on July 13, 2009, 06:36:05 PMQuote from: Invincible on July 13, 2009, 06:31:17 PMHow the hell do you get worse lyrically with age? You don't. I'm pretty sure the Wu coud still bring it. Stop over rating Budden's arse.tell em.Everybody has thier own opinions, but theres too much fan boys in here. Half the people on this thread love Joe Buddens and think he's the best rapper alive, and the other half still think Wu-Tang is still dropping classics like it was the mid-late 90's. I guess I'm more of a nuetral opinion, cuz while I've never been the biggest Joe Budden fan, I used to be into Wu-Tang alot, but I'll be the first to admit that they've fallen off since thier peak many years ago. I'm looking foward to hear what Slaughterhouse album sounds like, and I'm also waiting on the Cuban Links 2 album. I see it like this.. Joe Budden is prob the most over-rated underground rapper. IMO he's the worst dude on Slaughterhouse. Every song I've heard from them, he's had either the worst verse or the 2nd worse verse. He's the one who started all this, by running his mouth.. Yeah, people may say it was taken outta context, but he still called out another rapper out by name. And Method man responded. Maybe he didn't quite understand what Joey was tryna say, but regardless, nobody can tell another man how he should respond when being called out in public. Now this thing maybe spiraling outta control. I'm thinking when its all said and done there will be a few good disses on each side, theres already been one (I like the Inspectah Deck track). But nothing worthy enough be considered a classic. Because ultimately, this beef won't mean anything in hip hop history. Maybe it woulda worked out for Budden if Wu was still relevant, but overall only true fan bases are even checking for this.People keep talking about how Wu fell off and how they haven't been relevent, bringing up sales and all that.. But Joe Budden has never been relevant. If Wu-Tang and most of their solo artists never sell another copy, or even release an album.. They can still make more money than Budden can the rest of his career. Wu-Tang has a crazy fan base.. Somebody said that if u go to a Wu show, u'll see a bunch of hip hop heads, u'll see rock/ heavy metal dudes, skaters whatever.. they can just go on tour and run thru their classics and sell out big shows. Joe Buddens, has some clever lines and pretty good lyrics but He'll never be a big name in rap. From what I've seen, only people who are just into rap, especially underground rap can get into Joey. He's only had one hit that the average hip hop fan can identify. Pump it up, the same song which he gets clowned on today for. His fans probably hate that song, I'm sure he hates it too, kinda like Eminem hates, Hi My name is. I dunno, its something about his delivery or voice that makes me not interested, I've seen people who love his shit, post lyrics, and I'll read em.. And I'll be like oh shit, this is dope.. Then when I go listen to the actual song, It sounds pretty boring. Even if he had the best lyrics in the game, he hasn't learned how to make it great songs that will be considered classics. Cuz at the end of the day, he's in the music game. I used to be one of those guys that were just all about lyrics.. but as I got older, I realized in music its just as important what u say, as how u say it. Does it give u certain emotion or feeling, does it make u move? dance, get mad, whatever. As I started listening to other genres of music, I realized how weak rap has gotten. Theres not enough flow and voice and emotion anymore. Alotta hip hop heads argue all day, who has the best lyrics.. They'll throw out names like Nas, Imortal Technique, Jay-z, Joe Budden, Talib ... etc.. The truth is, if ur just into lyrics theres plenty of Spoken Word Poets out there that will shit on any of these rappers. So while Joe probably has better lyrics, he loses to Method Man, cuz Method Man got him on flow and voice. And 10 years from now, Method Man will still be remembered for his classic songs like The 1st Wu Album, All I need w/ Mary J. Blige and his feature on Biggies first album.. And Joe Budden will probably be underground rapper that never made it, like Canibus or AZ.much posting props,....even heads who disagree (shit, even i didnt agree wit everything posted) gotta respect the logic and rational in your post....well thought out and put, +1honestly, i respect your opinon in respecting his opinon & views, but i read about 2 sentences of what he said & realized it wasn't going anywhere.he showed he is clearly anti-Joe Budden by saying he was "the most overrated" & "the worst in Slaughterhouse", say it's "his opinon", but no force on earth will convince me anything he has to say isn't biased to begin with.but i continued to go on reading to make sure i wasn't missing something that you guys are propping him for & i realized, nope he didn't say anything that hasn't already been said lol.although he did bring up the point "Joe Budden isn't relevant", which doesn't mean shit because Big L > 98% of any other rappers & i can gaurentee you that the "average" hip-hop fan couldn't tell me who he was; the name might ring bells, but they couldn't name you more than 5 songs.so obviously your relativness doesn't reflect your skill in the slightest & same goes for sales; i don't know if he was commenting on my points, but i never said anything about "being relative", i said Wu hasn't been dropping classics for 10 years; but also like i said, it's not Wu, it's Deck.he said Joe Budden gives no emotion into his music, easily the deepest rapper in hip hop & you're saying he has no emotion. then he wrapped it up by saying "he loses to Method Man" when Meth hasn't even been in the discussion for a good month; but let's bring him back & the only reason he thinks Meth is better is because he isn't a Joe Budden fan to being with!so maybe i should start writing 500 word essays on my feelings towards things & you guys will just be like "real talk +1". i appreciate the fact Nuk23 took the time out to write that, but i can't just be like "you're right, because you took your time on it", if you guys actually read it, you would see that it's mostly biased, hating on Joe Budden, brings up points already examined & you guys are being fooled, although maybe you're not because most of you just shit on Joe Budden anyway. finally, i do give you props because you didn't really show any "Pro-Wu-Tang" views, but you clearly showed a dislike for Budden & his music five or six times throughout.*lets karma drop from die heart Wu fans, for having my own opinon* if your actually saying 98% of average hip hop fans wouldn't be able 5+ songs of Big L's then these people clearly are not HIP HOP fans.. Big L is one of the greatest of all time whoever cannot name 5+ songs of Big L's work should not even be allowed to express their opinion on hip hop issues let alone consider themselves hip hop fans.Well, you must consider this - most known "hip hop" fans these days like "pop hop" - so they get lumped in.