Weis signs onto the Chiefs (Crennel's coming too)

[Shallow]

^but my argument is that if Peyton came up in New England, he would be running the offense that actually works to win Super Bowls & you wouldn't see his amazing arm.

it doesn't work in all ways that just happen to fit your argument lmao.

if they switched, maybe Tom Brady would be trash in Indy; but Peyton would be throwing screens in New England & you would be shitting on Peyton Manning...for winning lol.

I'd question him more than I do now, and of it was only 3 SBs yeah, but if it was 5 or 6 in one decade and I saw the tough throws when they were needed I can't imagine any other QB, this decade, I'd bring to the argument. I'm not a big Jordan fan, and I raise questions about his 80s record when he played against legends, but in the 90s he was the bewst with out question and there isn't another 90s ball player I can put with him. Same for Tiger in his era. You may be right that I wouldn't be the same fan of Peyton I am today, but I wouldn't dare question his greatness or him being the best of the decade.

[Shallow]

It's great to see that Shallow has made such lofty predictions for the Chiefs and Matt Cassell.  Hey, I'm on board with you because the Chiefs are my team, sounds like you've made some pretty accurate predictions so I hope your right again.

I also thought it was interesting that Cassel went 11-5 last year, and Brady only went 10-6 this year with basically all the same team. 

And Shallow, you predicted that Cassel would crumble, which is technically true because he had a rough year.  But I saw every game the Chiefs played this year, and it was NOT Cassel's fault.  THE CHIEFS LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES AND IN SACKS GIVEN UP.  So how can a quarterback operate when your team is leading in such categories?  Also, Larry Johnson was still the Chiefs started running back for the first half of the season, and the GUY ONLY AVERAGED 2.7 YARDS A CARRY!!  So no threat of a running game for most of the season, all the recievers and tightends except Dwayne Bowe were cut from other teams and picked up by the Chiefs over the course of the season, scrubs like Bobby Wade, Mark Bradley and Lance Long were starters for the Chiefs at different points in the season.  Also, two of the starting linemen were also brought in off the streets after being cut from their respective teams during the season.

So when you consider what Matt Cassel had to contend with I would say he did great last season.  And don't worry about Croyle being a threat at starter because that guy has never been any good and is like 0-9 as a starter.

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Also, on defense, YES THE CHIEFS GOT CRENNELL.  This is a great move.  But are you predicting the Chiefs to be in the playoffs?  That's a little too ambitious, I think 8-8 is a more practical expectation.

Cassel wasn't any worse a QB this year than last. That was my point. He's a solid QB. My main thesis this whole time was that the Pats can take any solid QB and excel. But just because a QB excels with the Pats doesn't make him elite. So when he went to a shitty Chiefs team I predicted he'd do shitty in the the numbers, both wins and stats. Yeah the run game sucked and the passes were dropped, but lets say instead of Cassel KC got Peyton Manning. I'd say the Cheifs this year would have strongly improved in dropped passes and the run game just because the passing got better.

I'll tell you a story I heard from Joseph Addai his first year as a starter. It was from a magazine. It was past mid-night on a week night and he texted Manning a question a about play with regards to which way he runs after the fake hand off. He wasn't sure if Manning was awake and expected that an answer in the morning would be likely. 20 minutes later there was a knock at his door. It was Peyton. He took Addai to the parking lot of Addai's building and for the next two hours ran every play Addai wasn't sure of until her was sure of it. They finished just before 3 AM. Indy won the SB that year and Addai was a big part of it.

That's what you get with Peyton Manning, a true leader and general. A single man that can change an offense, and how well they play. Cassel isn't that kind of man. But I believe Wies is. And on defense I believe Crennel is. Now if egos clash or the head coach really isn't cut for the job then you may have problems. I don't predict playoffs in year one, but I predict huge improvement with playoffs being possible for most of the season. By year two I predict playoffs, unless something falls apart.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Cassel wasn't any worse a QB this year than last. That was my point. He's a solid QB. My main thesis this whole time was that the Pats can take any solid QB and excel. But just because a QB excels with the Pats doesn't make him elite. So when he went to a shitty Chiefs team I predicted he'd do shitty in the the numbers, both wins and stats. Yeah the run game sucked and the passes were dropped, but lets say instead of Cassel KC got Peyton Manning. I'd say the Cheifs this year would have strongly improved in dropped passes and the run game just because the passing got better.

I'll tell you a story I heard from Joseph Addai his first year as a starter. It was from a magazine. It was past mid-night on a week night and he texted Manning a question a about play with regards to which way he runs after the fake hand off. He wasn't sure if Manning was awake and expected that an answer in the morning would be likely. 20 minutes later there was a knock at his door. It was Peyton. He took Addai to the parking lot of Addai's building and for the next two hours ran every play Addai wasn't sure of until her was sure of it. They finished just before 3 AM. Indy won the SB that year and Addai was a big part of it.

That's what you get with Peyton Manning, a true leader and general. A single man that can change an offense, and how well they play. Cassel isn't that kind of man. But I believe Wies is. And on defense I believe Crennel is. Now if egos clash or the head coach really isn't cut for the job then you may have problems. I don't predict playoffs in year one, but I predict huge improvement with playoffs being possible for most of the season. By year two I predict playoffs, unless something falls apart.

Nice story about Addia and Manning, surprised I've never heard it before.

Yeah it sounds like your pretty much on point.  And that most average to above-average quarterbacks could have probably stepped into that Wiess system and had success.  

As for Cassel not being a leader.  I still think that he is a leader, and I think that Brady is a leader.  But definitely not on the level of Peyton Manning.  I mean, nobody I can think of is on the level of Peyton Manning, as your story shows.  

So let me ask you, what QB's that have played over the last decade do you consider to be better leaders than Brady and Cassel??  Because obviously, nobody compares to Peyton Manning, but I think after Peyton Manning- Cassel and Brady are up there in the leadership category.  Because Cassel showed great composure with all that was surrounding him this year, you saw the way Brady crumbled in the Ravens game; Cassell dealt with shit worse than that every game this year, and he handled it like a man.

[Shallow]

So let me ask you, what QB's that have played over the last decade do you consider to be better leaders than Brady and Cassel??  Because obviously, nobody compares to Peyton Manning, but I think after Peyton Manning- Cassel and Brady are up there in the leadership category.  Because Cassel showed great composure with all that was surrounding him this year, you saw the way Brady crumbled in the Ravens game; Cassell dealt with shit worse than that every game this year, and he handled it like a man.

Personally speaking, and just QBs in the last decade; Drew Brees, the very recent Donovan McNabb (he used to be the worst), Bret Favre before the retirement games, Kurt Warner, Ben is really getting there (his taking fault for his actions is key), McNair in Tennessee, Flutie (yes he did play this decade for a bit), I feel Aaron Rodgers will get there very soon the way he's going, Jake Plummer in Arizona, Chad Pennington in Miami.

That's just off the top of my head. I thinking of QBs that the players will not only rally around and follow, but guys that command the kind of respect from the team that means you worry a bit as a player when he comes an has a word with you. Matt needs time to grow, he may get there. Brady, and it's one of the reasons I turned on him, and not because I'm against him already, still comes off as an arrogant prick that takes too much credit. And I think it'll show itself in his later years when he will get forced out rather than allowed to leave when he wants. Bret asked for the boot but if he never teased retirement he'd still be in Green Bay. Marino was allowed to stay until he felt it was time and out of respect they'd never tell him to go. It's just my opinion.

Now if we extend it to non-QBs, I put Ray Lewis neck and neck with Manning. Ed Reed is way up there too. Bruschi and Seymour as well.

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^but my argument is that if Peyton came up in New England, he would be running the offense that actually works to win Super Bowls & you wouldn't see his amazing arm.

it doesn't work in all ways that just happen to fit your argument lmao.

if they switched, maybe Tom Brady would be trash in Indy; but Peyton would be throwing screens in New England & you would be shitting on Peyton Manning...for winning lol.

I'd question him more than I do now, and of it was only 3 SBs yeah, but if it was 5 or 6 in one decade and I saw the tough throws when they were needed I can't imagine any other QB, this decade, I'd bring to the argument. I'm not a big Jordan fan, and I raise questions about his 80s record when he played against legends, but in the 90s he was the bewst with out question and there isn't another 90s ball player I can put with him. Same for Tiger in his era. You may be right that I wouldn't be the same fan of Peyton I am today, but I wouldn't dare question his greatness or him being the best of the decade.

well if he was throwing screens, you wouldn't think he's good at all lol.

you still need players to win.

Have you seen Jamal Charles?

i've seen Chris Johnson & his lack of playoff stats this season lol.

[Shallow]

Looks like Crennel is on board now too. My Patriots theory of victory will now be put to the ultimate test. Chiefs make the playoffs and Cassel performs the whole way and I want a lot of "you were right"s from all that questioned me. They win an SB and I will whip out my cock for all you to suck for the rest of my days on dubcc.

How about that? Almost a year ago I predicted it. And thanks to the Bengals I'm "so far so go good". And yes my fingers are on my fly. You boys don't need to get in position just yet, but I'd at least take a look at prices for knee pads.

[Chamillitary Click]

Looks like Crennel is on board now too. My Patriots theory of victory will now be put to the ultimate test. Chiefs make the playoffs and Cassel performs the whole way and I want a lot of "you were right"s from all that questioned me. They win an SB and I will whip out my cock for all you to suck for the rest of my days on dubcc.

How about that? Almost a year ago I predicted it. And thanks to the Bengals I'm "so far so go good". And yes my fingers are on my fly. You boys don't need to get in position just yet, but I'd at least take a look at prices for knee pads.

Yeah, toughest division in the NFL too.

Matt Cassell must be a good QB.

[Shallow]

Looks like Crennel is on board now too. My Patriots theory of victory will now be put to the ultimate test. Chiefs make the playoffs and Cassel performs the whole way and I want a lot of "you were right"s from all that questioned me. They win an SB and I will whip out my cock for all you to suck for the rest of my days on dubcc.

How about that? Almost a year ago I predicted it. And thanks to the Bengals I'm "so far so go good". And yes my fingers are on my fly. You boys don't need to get in position just yet, but I'd at least take a look at prices for knee pads.

Yeah, toughest division in the NFL too.

Matt Cassell must be a good QB.

This isn't about who the good QB is. This is about who the prophetic genius is; ME!!!!!!!!

I was right. And that's all that matters here.

[Chamillitary Click]

Looks like Crennel is on board now too. My Patriots theory of victory will now be put to the ultimate test. Chiefs make the playoffs and Cassel performs the whole way and I want a lot of "you were right"s from all that questioned me. They win an SB and I will whip out my cock for all you to suck for the rest of my days on dubcc.

How about that? Almost a year ago I predicted it. And thanks to the Bengals I'm "so far so go good". And yes my fingers are on my fly. You boys don't need to get in position just yet, but I'd at least take a look at prices for knee pads.

Yeah, toughest division in the NFL too.

Matt Cassell must be a good QB.

This isn't about who the good QB is. This is about who the prophetic genius is; ME!!!!!!!!

I was right. And that's all that matters here.

Oh. Well in that case, good call; besides the whole "winning the Superbowl" thing.

[Shallow]

Looks like Crennel is on board now too. My Patriots theory of victory will now be put to the ultimate test. Chiefs make the playoffs and Cassel performs the whole way and I want a lot of "you were right"s from all that questioned me. They win an SB and I will whip out my cock for all you to suck for the rest of my days on dubcc.

How about that? Almost a year ago I predicted it. And thanks to the Bengals I'm "so far so go good". And yes my fingers are on my fly. You boys don't need to get in position just yet, but I'd at least take a look at prices for knee pads.

Yeah, toughest division in the NFL too.

Matt Cassell must be a good QB.

This isn't about who the good QB is. This is about who the prophetic genius is; ME!!!!!!!!

I was right. And that's all that matters here.

Oh. Well in that case, good call; besides the whole "winning the Superbowl" thing.

If they win it, I want you to prop me every time to enter the forum.

[Chamillitary Click]

Looks like Crennel is on board now too. My Patriots theory of victory will now be put to the ultimate test. Chiefs make the playoffs and Cassel performs the whole way and I want a lot of "you were right"s from all that questioned me. They win an SB and I will whip out my cock for all you to suck for the rest of my days on dubcc.

How about that? Almost a year ago I predicted it. And thanks to the Bengals I'm "so far so go good". And yes my fingers are on my fly. You boys don't need to get in position just yet, but I'd at least take a look at prices for knee pads.

Yeah, toughest division in the NFL too.

Matt Cassell must be a good QB.

This isn't about who the good QB is. This is about who the prophetic genius is; ME!!!!!!!!

I was right. And that's all that matters here.

Oh. Well in that case, good call; besides the whole "winning the Superbowl" thing.

If they win it, I want you to prop me every time to enter the forum.

Will do.