In light of Snoops poor numbers....wcc discussion

[Myrealname]

"WE" dont wants another doggystyle,stop with this bullshit please!
TOP DOGG is not like doggystyle but is a fuckin tight album,i thought LAST MEAL was a very mediocre album but when i've listen several times to this new one,LAST MEAL is a 5 mics album compared with this album.
AGAIN,the best tracks of this album are from the first advance:

*For real (prod. by meech wells)
*Pimp On (prod.by fred wreck feat.eastsidaz)
*Twenty minutes part II
*Doin it too (feat.soopafòy)
*Its the D.o.g.
*Just cant take it
*Tell Me What U Really Want

And honestly NOBACKTRACKIN (from the last meal prmo) is at least 10 TIMES BETTER than "the one and only".
-The meech wells beat is HUGE
-Snoop comes tighter
-George clinton on the hook is awesome
Is one of the best snoop's songs ever and guess what ? It still unreleased  

[E. J. Rizo]

"if it aint broke dont try and fix it"

snoop is trying to fix somthing that is not broken.....in other words stick to what has been working and plain and simple.........

[size=36]get your ass back in the studio with Dr. Dre[/size]

[js83]

I really hope...before he retires from rap...he should make a doggystyle 2..or some shit...cuz if he continues to release some shit like paid tha cost to be the boss...people will stop buying his shit and lose intrest in him...damn why can't he just release a dope ass westcoast gangsta album..i just don't understand...people don't want to listen to shit like "From The Chuuuch To Da Palace".....

[Don Seer]

this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.

you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops

ok lets look...........

Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says  "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.

so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin

snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.

dre is wayy tooo busy.

you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.

honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.

- remember this -

having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.

they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.

snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.

[Trauma-san]

"WE" dont wants another doggystyle,stop with this bullshit please!
TOP DOGG is not like doggystyle but is a fuckin tight album,i thought LAST MEAL was a very mediocre album but when i've listen several times to this new one,LAST MEAL is a 5 mics album compared with this album.
AGAIN,the best tracks of this album are from the first advance:

*For real (prod. by meech wells)
*Pimp On (prod.by fred wreck feat.eastsidaz)
*Twenty minutes part II
*Doin it too (feat.soopafòy)
*Its the D.o.g.
*Just cant take it
*Tell Me What U Really Want

And honestly NOBACKTRACKIN (from the last meal prmo) is at least 10 TIMES BETTER than "the one and only".
-The meech wells beat is HUGE
-Snoop comes tighter
-George clinton on the hook is awesome
Is one of the best snoop's songs ever and guess what ? It still unreleased  

Slow your roll.  It's an opinion.  I got mine, you got yours, no need to get heated just because it's different, LOL.  That'sRealLame.  

[Trauma-san]

this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.

you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops

ok lets look...........

Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says  "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.

so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin

snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.

dre is wayy tooo busy.

you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.

honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.

- remember this -

having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.

they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.

snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.

Yup, I agree 100%.  Dre just is not gonna work with Snoop like he used to.  

[BL7]

this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.

you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops

ok lets look...........

Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says  "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.

so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin

snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.

dre is wayy tooo busy.

you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.

honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.

- remember this -

having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.

they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.

snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.

Real talk homie.


Peace

[E. J. Rizo]

this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.

you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops

ok lets look...........

Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says  "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.

so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin

snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.

dre is wayy tooo busy.

you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.

honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.

- remember this -

having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.

they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.

snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.

you got some good points....i want to say this....i can care less if dre is rapping with snoop but dre producing for him and helping him with the vocal direction and so forth has proven to be effective and people seem to love it....it just works....i understand that snoop wants to be a "boss" but that dont mean you cant work with dre......put it this way if snoop didnt show up on detox i would be just as mad....because its just proven effective like i said.....so why change it....pretty much seer you are asking "why" and im asking "why not?" you get what im saying....i know he cant hold his hand and all that but im sure he can get atleast one track in there....and another thing is that im not expecting another doggystyle im just expecting a straight banging album...and paid tha cost just doesnt cut it...i just feel that im a big snoop fan and i feel bad because i dont like his album?....and why is that? its because he is trying to change his style...and like i said before...there really is no need for it....do you know what im saying?.....hope i make sense.....but thats just the way i feel....

[Myrealname]

this 'snoop & dre' thing bugs me.

you can't expect Dre to hold snoops hand, snoop is big enough to look after himself.
Actually Snoop features more on Dre's stuff that dre ever has on snoops

ok lets look...........

Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says  "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.

so in total on snoop's solo projects dre has rapped on ONE song - just dippin

snoop is trying to prove that he can stand on his own two, its already been stated that in this project he's trying to stand on his own as a "boss". which also means being out of under dre's shadow.

dre is wayy tooo busy.

you cant expect dre to hold his hand.
you cant expect them to ever touch doggystyle.

honestly. i dont think people are really giving this album a chance and this dre/snoop shit needs to stop.

- remember this -

having the mentality that snoop/dre must work togehter because they did classic stuff in the past is *just as bad( as much moaned about industry habit of fearing different things, or trying to bite/recycle ones that have been successful.

they're out there changing and taking risks, trying not to be stagnant.

snoop has his camp, dre has his. if they collabo - let it be.

We all know how tight they are together,personally i hoped in a few dre tracks on this new snoop's album but the "problem" is not dre.....once again the best songs still leftovers.
With these songs the album would have been great:

*For real (prod. by meech wells)
*Pimp On (prod.by fred wreck feat.eastsidaz)
*Twenty minutes part II
*Doin it too (feat.soopafòy)
*Its the D.o.g.
*Just cant take it
*Tell Me What U Really Want

AND THESE TRACKS ARE NOT PRODUCED BY DR.DRE
So the problem is not dr.dre,but snoop's mind.
Why the best songs are the leftovers ?

[T-Dogg]

Snoop just needs to go back to the West Coast sound, str8 up. Whenever he's on a distinctive West Coast track his shit is tight. It might not be any more special compared to his "wider audience" stuff lyrics wise (save for Doggystyle), but it's that sound that he needs to make a dope track.

WC's Streets: Ever since I heard the first steps of the beat & Nate goin' "Na, na, naah. Na, na naah..." I was thinking: "Now this is some shit you can throw up the W to". (There's not much of that shit around nowadays is there?) Snoop was mad tight on that song. He just needs to make tracks with Dre, Warren, Quik & other West Coast producers to come with the tightest shit. I got mad love for Primo's beats, but they're not really Snoop's stuff, no matter how dope "The One And Only" was. But it would've been doper with Dre or Warren (or some other West Coast cat) behind the boards, I'm 100% sure of that. Now, I can't say if them unreleased tracks are these kinds of West Coast tracks, since I ain't heard 'em, but they're still only a few tracks compared to the stuff that's out there.

Now sayin' that Dre & Snoop should collaborate 'cause they had that dope shit in the past isn't a bad idea at all, it's not "just as bad". 'Cause you know, Dre produced The Chronic & Doggystyle, Snoop's classic material. Then sumthin' like 6 years after Doggystyle's release these niggaz hook up again when Dre was makin' his 2001. Even though Snoop wasn't all over it like before, there's nobody that can say that Snoops stuff wasn't off tha hook on 2001. His verse on Fuck You, his chorus on Still D.R.E., his verse on Next episode - dope dope dope. They did classic material then, even though Doggystyle & The Chronic were in the past. The Dre & Snoop chemistry worked again on Hennessy & Buddah, even though The Chronic and all that was in the past. So it's insane to say that their chemistry couldn't work again just 'cause the classics are in the past.

[Trauma-san]

you got some good points....i want to say this....i can care less if dre is rapping with snoop but dre producing for him and helping him with the vocal direction and so forth has proven to be effective and people seem to love it....it just works....i understand that snoop wants to be a "boss" but that dont mean you cant work with dre......put it this way if snoop didnt show up on detox i would be just as mad....because its just proven effective like i said.....so why change it....pretty much seer you are asking "why" and im asking "why not?" you get what im saying....i know he cant hold his hand and all that but im sure he can get atleast one track in there....and another thing is that im not expecting another doggystyle im just expecting a straight banging album...and paid tha cost just doesnt cut it...i just feel that im a big snoop fan and i feel bad because i dont like his album?....and why is that? its because he is trying to change his style...and like i said before...there really is no need for it....do you know what im saying?.....hope i make sense.....but thats just the way i feel....

Why Snoop?  It's dre that won't work with people, I'm sure snoop woulda loved to have him on the album.  Dre's too busy making stuff for other people, though.  

[E. J. Rizo]

i really doubt that dre told snoop "no".....i bet if he did say something it ws probrably something like i got alot of people im working with at the moment if you would like to wait in line i will be sure to hook you up with a couple of beats...and if dre was a bitch about it than damn dre why?  and another thing is that it just dont got to be Dre as long as its gangsta westcoast shit...like the streets and that aint no dre beat

[Jome]

ok lets look...........

Deep Cover... Dre brought Snoop in the game
Chronic - snoop all over it
Doggystyle - dre produced it yes, but rapping... says "rat tat tat tat" on one song and is on a skit ohh wee
Doggfather - no dre
TGITBSNTBT - no dre, snoop says  "dre get at me" on still a g thang.
no limit top dogg - dre laces 3 nice beats Buck 'em/b-please/just dippin (my fave) and dre actually raps on just dippin
2001 - snoop features heavily
last meal - dre laces a few more nice ones
eastsidaz - dre only feats on the intro skit to the album
the wash - a few collabo's
ptctbtb.... no dre.

Funny looking at the list..
All tracks Dre has done for Snoop is considered classic/near classic, so I can't see why they shouldn't continue to work together?
And there's 2 places that says "no dre", and it looks like most people consider "Tha Game is" & "Paid the cost" as his worst efforts yet...

[_That_Cracka_J]

I agree that Dre is too busy to produce a lot of tracks for Snoop, but a few is possible.  Also, there were only a couple of songs with the "west coast feel" to them on PTC.  Dre only did what 2 tracks for Tha Last Meal?  Fuck, damn near every song on there was a banger.  He doesn't necessarily need Dre, just better production than what was on PTC....fa shizzle

[Quadruple OG]

the one thing SNoop needs is consistancy.  Instead of having 7-10 producers, he should pick 3 producers (Soopafly, Warren G, and Fred Wreck can all experiment with beats,no need for a dozen producers on an album) and have them split ALL the tracks on the album, then LIMIT the guest appearances so it doesn't turn into a compilation like "Paid Tha Cost..." (warren G, Nate Dogg, Daz, Tha Twinz, Sooapfly, and E-white drop some verses here and there).  He brings consistency to the table, and he has another tight album