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Quality music according to who?? quality music can be different things. Not saying that i enjoyed Britney Spears but for what it was it was done very well, produced very well and marketed extremly well.
with shit like justin beiber and these teen singers and stuff. seems more and more shameless and lower quality. a much easier target audience to hit.or am i just getting old?
Quote from: Matty on December 10, 2010, 06:15:15 PMwith shit like justin beiber and these teen singers and stuff. seems more and more shameless and lower quality. a much easier target audience to hit.or am i just getting old?Bro I believe it's more a reflection of your mind state than anything else. If you never liked pop music then it's likely you never will, Beiber is just a 2010 version of Justin Timberlake, the same market and audience just an updated sound. Having the ability to open your mind and appreciate music through the ages without getting stuck in that one sound that you enjoyed is hard, but can also be the mark of a great musician. Miles Davis had a 30 year career, and he achieved this by changing his back up band every 4 years with young people, thus harnessing their creative energy and insight and helping to maintain his own interest and relavance. Jay Z can be seen as doing something similiar, working with the artists of the time, but still staying true to his original sound and direction, each album a steady evolution from the last. The same music is generally being made, just with an updated sound, if your state of mind is "I'm too old for this" then you'll never have the capacity to grow with the music and appreciate the changes.
It's always been thay way. Michael Jackson. Bobby Brown. Britney. Justin Timberlake. Bow Wow. Aaliyah. Miley Cyrus. Raven. There always has and likely will always be an audience for younger stars. Nickelodeon and Disney have been milking this formula for decades now. It's kind of a common sense approach. Between back to school shopping, Halloween costumes, Christmas... there is so much money in the youth market. There's not as big a window of cross-marketing when it comes to young post-college adults. People from 24-35 are more into higher end stuff. I don't think you outgrow playing with toys, your taste just gets a little more expensive in terms of the toys you're playing with.
I see where youre coming from, but I look at today's situation a little different. I think to myself sometimes what happened to finding a talent and putting them on your album because he or she is talented, not because they sold a buncha copies of their last album or ringtones. I know that since its harder to make money in music, its become more of business first over art first, but making it that way has put a stranglehold on the final product - meaning we get what they think we will buy, not what could be great music aka where has the risk involved gone? (this is sometimes, not ALL the time).I am not in the camp of people, however, who think every bum from the 90s who farted on stage was the best compared to anyone from the 00s or 10s. Theres plenty of talent nowadays, its just in my humble opinion, mainstream rap has experienced a big shift from what it used to be for the reasons I wrote above.
Quote from: Russell Bell on December 11, 2010, 06:45:33 PMI see where youre coming from, but I look at today's situation a little different. I think to myself sometimes what happened to finding a talent and putting them on your album because he or she is talented, not because they sold a buncha copies of their last album or ringtones. I know that since its harder to make money in music, its become more of business first over art first, but making it that way has put a stranglehold on the final product - meaning we get what they think we will buy, not what could be great music aka where has the risk involved gone? (this is sometimes, not ALL the time).I am not in the camp of people, however, who think every bum from the 90s who farted on stage was the best compared to anyone from the 00s or 10s. Theres plenty of talent nowadays, its just in my humble opinion, mainstream rap has experienced a big shift from what it used to be for the reasons I wrote above. Well, the reality is when the studios/labels are not making the money they feel they should, they're gonna throw a lot less around for artists to take chances with. Everyone loves being creative but it's a different story when your career is on the line. The music business has changed so drastically in the last 10 years that of course, the art form was gonna suffer. The film industry is in better shape so they can afford that diversity when it comes to subject matter. Music's having a tougher time.
Among the teens today there is no group like Outkast in the mid 90s or a rapper like Common for the niche market "conscious rap" fan, because in my opinion there aren't enough of those fans to create a rapper like that.
Quote from: Shallow on December 12, 2010, 06:59:34 AMAmong the teens today there is no group like Outkast in the mid 90s or a rapper like Common for the niche market "conscious rap" fan, because in my opinion there aren't enough of those fans to create a rapper like that. Outkast isn't really "conscious rap". Even so, the height of their popularity was in the 00s, not the 90s. Also Common is more mainstream now than he was in the 90s.Actually I hate the term conscious rap because its so meaningless. The rappers labeled that in category aren't necessarily any more socially aware than say an Ice Cube or a 2Pac.Fans will surprise you every now and then. I'm still amazed how Lupe Fiasco got a record deal and was able to sell some records and get his songs played. Same for Kanye West.
shallow, that movie is called rookie of the year, loved that shit when i was young toooh and i need to check out lupe, a lot of people praise him from all aroundit really doesnt concern me what the main stream is, i mean, it exists out there, and i might dabble in it for a second to know that it is not for me, the independent scene is pretty strong, and if those artists all go hungry, ill go back to listening to albums from the last 100 years that i still havent got around to, i dont really blame record companies, they are just trying to get theirs, explain this to me, how does a girl like taylor swift sell (i forget the number, but it was rediculously high for these days) in her first week?