where do you rank LT all time amongst RBs?

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emmit smith played behind the best offensive line ever PLUS with Troy Aikmen and the Playmaker



very over rated as a candidate for GOAT

I hear you about the o line, etc.  Yeah he had a lotta help.

BUT, I don't really agree totally with that knocking him down a peg because look at Jerry Rice.  Did he not have great players around him, and you don't really hear people using that against him when people call him the GOAT.

Yeah. I mean I definitely think emmit benefited from that o-line. He was averaging over 2 yards per carry before even being touched. He was very overrated. But I also hate how people are so quick to crown Jerry Rice the greatest WR ever. WR is the most dependant position on the field and Jerry had Montana and Young throwing the ball to him. He was great. But he SHOULD have been great. Compare that to what a receiver like Tim Brown did with QBs like Todd Marijuanavich and Jay Shraeder throwing him the ball

That was my issue with the 100 greatest. You could argue Ride the greatest WR no doubt. He could do it all, but if had been on the Bucs and had been just as good he would not have had 3 rings, woulkd not have lead the league in yards and TDs 6 times and if let's say Steve Largent or Art Monk had been the #1 in San Fran they may not have reached #1 player all time status but they may have been ranked just as high as where Rice ended up.

Where as Jim Brown was doing what every other back was doing, except he did it so much better he has to be the best.

Yeah, Jim Brown was a beast. I still have Sanders as the best running back ever. He was just insane....playing for a shitty Detroit Lions team. I can only imagine what he would have done with that Cowboy O-line that Emmitt got to run behind.

He would have done worse probably. People would respect the run so much that it would leave 9 in the box at all times, and Aikman would have looked like Marino and Manning combined.

lol not a chance. Youre gonna tell me that he would have done worse running behind one of the most dominant offensive lines of all time, with a great QB and a great passing offense to take pressure off the running game....than he would playing for the lions who absolutely nothing BUT him. Where defenses would DEFINITELY stack the box cus there were no other real threats....AND....where the team wasnt typically playing with leads like the Cowboys were...so the running game could be taken out of the mix by halftime.

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emmit smith played behind the best offensive line ever PLUS with Troy Aikmen and the Playmaker



very over rated as a candidate for GOAT

I hear you about the o line, etc.  Yeah he had a lotta help.

BUT, I don't really agree totally with that knocking him down a peg because look at Jerry Rice.  Did he not have great players around him, and you don't really hear people using that against him when people call him the GOAT.

Yeah. I mean I definitely think emmit benefited from that o-line. He was averaging over 2 yards per carry before even being touched. He was very overrated. But I also hate how people are so quick to crown Jerry Rice the greatest WR ever. WR is the most dependant position on the field and Jerry had Montana and Young throwing the ball to him. He was great. But he SHOULD have been great. Compare that to what a receiver like Tim Brown did with QBs like Todd Marijuanavich and Jay Shraeder throwing him the ball

That was my issue with the 100 greatest. You could argue Ride the greatest WR no doubt. He could do it all, but if had been on the Bucs and had been just as good he would not have had 3 rings, woulkd not have lead the league in yards and TDs 6 times and if let's say Steve Largent or Art Monk had been the #1 in San Fran they may not have reached #1 player all time status but they may have been ranked just as high as where Rice ended up.

Where as Jim Brown was doing what every other back was doing, except he did it so much better he has to be the best.

Yeah, Jim Brown was a beast. I still have Sanders as the best running back ever. He was just insane....playing for a shitty Detroit Lions team. I can only imagine what he would have done with that Cowboy O-line that Emmitt got to run behind.

He would have done worse probably. People would respect the run so much that it would leave 9 in the box at all times, and Aikman would have looked like Marino and Manning combined.

lol not a chance. Youre gonna tell me that he would have done worse running behind one of the most dominant offensive lines of all time, with a great QB and a great passing offense to take pressure off the running game....than he would playing for the lions who absolutely nothing BUT him. Where defenses would DEFINITELY stack the box cus there were no other real threats....AND....where the team wasnt typically playing with leads like the Cowboys were...so the running game could be taken out of the mix by halftime.

Well, I was half joking, but the only thing I think would really get higher would be his TDs, but from what I've seen and I've seen a lot of Emmit games since I was a kid there wasn't much else to do. He was still an amazing runner and while I don't think he would have had Barry numbers on Detroit I don't see how any back really does all that much better than he did on Dallas. I'll say this, Barry may have ended up being the only 2 time 2000 yard RB in those two season Emmit had over 1700.

However he may have been enough better than Emmit for the Cowboys to commit to the run from te start in the NFC championship game against SF and that may have made them 4 straight SB champs.

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emmit smith played behind the best offensive line ever PLUS with Troy Aikmen and the Playmaker



very over rated as a candidate for GOAT

I hear you about the o line, etc.  Yeah he had a lotta help.

BUT, I don't really agree totally with that knocking him down a peg because look at Jerry Rice.  Did he not have great players around him, and you don't really hear people using that against him when people call him the GOAT.

Yeah. I mean I definitely think emmit benefited from that o-line. He was averaging over 2 yards per carry before even being touched. He was very overrated. But I also hate how people are so quick to crown Jerry Rice the greatest WR ever. WR is the most dependant position on the field and Jerry had Montana and Young throwing the ball to him. He was great. But he SHOULD have been great. Compare that to what a receiver like Tim Brown did with QBs like Todd Marijuanavich and Jay Shraeder throwing him the ball

That was my issue with the 100 greatest. You could argue Ride the greatest WR no doubt. He could do it all, but if had been on the Bucs and had been just as good he would not have had 3 rings, woulkd not have lead the league in yards and TDs 6 times and if let's say Steve Largent or Art Monk had been the #1 in San Fran they may not have reached #1 player all time status but they may have been ranked just as high as where Rice ended up.

Where as Jim Brown was doing what every other back was doing, except he did it so much better he has to be the best.

Yeah, Jim Brown was a beast. I still have Sanders as the best running back ever. He was just insane....playing for a shitty Detroit Lions team. I can only imagine what he would have done with that Cowboy O-line that Emmitt got to run behind.

He would have done worse probably. People would respect the run so much that it would leave 9 in the box at all times, and Aikman would have looked like Marino and Manning combined.

lol not a chance. Youre gonna tell me that he would have done worse running behind one of the most dominant offensive lines of all time, with a great QB and a great passing offense to take pressure off the running game....than he would playing for the lions who absolutely nothing BUT him. Where defenses would DEFINITELY stack the box cus there were no other real threats....AND....where the team wasnt typically playing with leads like the Cowboys were...so the running game could be taken out of the mix by halftime.

Well, I was half joking, but the only thing I think would really get higher would be his TDs, but from what I've seen and I've seen a lot of Emmit games since I was a kid there wasn't much else to do. He was still an amazing runner and while I don't think he would have had Barry numbers on Detroit I don't see how any back really does all that much better than he did on Dallas. I'll say this, Barry may have ended up being the only 2 time 2000 yard RB in those two season Emmit had over 1700.

However he may have been enough better than Emmit for the Cowboys to commit to the run from te start in the NFC championship game against SF and that may have made them 4 straight SB champs.

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That last run against the Patriots alone was better than Emmitt's career lol

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LT is top three.

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emmit smith played behind the best offensive line ever PLUS with Troy Aikmen and the Playmaker



very over rated as a candidate for GOAT

I hear you about the o line, etc.  Yeah he had a lotta help.

BUT, I don't really agree totally with that knocking him down a peg because look at Jerry Rice.  Did he not have great players around him, and you don't really hear people using that against him when people call him the GOAT.

Yeah. I mean I definitely think emmit benefited from that o-line. He was averaging over 2 yards per carry before even being touched. He was very overrated. But I also hate how people are so quick to crown Jerry Rice the greatest WR ever. WR is the most dependant position on the field and Jerry had Montana and Young throwing the ball to him. He was great. But he SHOULD have been great. Compare that to what a receiver like Tim Brown did with QBs like Todd Marijuanavich and Jay Shraeder throwing him the ball

That was my issue with the 100 greatest. You could argue Ride the greatest WR no doubt. He could do it all, but if had been on the Bucs and had been just as good he would not have had 3 rings, woulkd not have lead the league in yards and TDs 6 times and if let's say Steve Largent or Art Monk had been the #1 in San Fran they may not have reached #1 player all time status but they may have been ranked just as high as where Rice ended up.

Where as Jim Brown was doing what every other back was doing, except he did it so much better he has to be the best.

Yeah, Jim Brown was a beast. I still have Sanders as the best running back ever. He was just insane....playing for a shitty Detroit Lions team. I can only imagine what he would have done with that Cowboy O-line that Emmitt got to run behind.

He would have done worse probably. People would respect the run so much that it would leave 9 in the box at all times, and Aikman would have looked like Marino and Manning combined.

lol not a chance. Youre gonna tell me that he would have done worse running behind one of the most dominant offensive lines of all time, with a great QB and a great passing offense to take pressure off the running game....than he would playing for the lions who absolutely nothing BUT him. Where defenses would DEFINITELY stack the box cus there were no other real threats....AND....where the team wasnt typically playing with leads like the Cowboys were...so the running game could be taken out of the mix by halftime.

Well, I was half joking, but the only thing I think would really get higher would be his TDs, but from what I've seen and I've seen a lot of Emmit games since I was a kid there wasn't much else to do. He was still an amazing runner and while I don't think he would have had Barry numbers on Detroit I don't see how any back really does all that much better than he did on Dallas. I'll say this, Barry may have ended up being the only 2 time 2000 yard RB in those two season Emmit had over 1700.

However he may have been enough better than Emmit for the Cowboys to commit to the run from te start in the NFC championship game against SF and that may have made them 4 straight SB champs.

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That last run against the Patriots alone was better than Emmitt's career lol

I do not want to make it seem like I'm an Emmit guy at all. I don't even think he was as good as Thurman (Emmit). I'm just saying the way the Cowboys were built there was nothing more that could be done. Like if Peyton played on NE all these years he wouldn't have to show off his needle threading ability to quick decision making like he does on Indy. So a lot of these circus runs that Barry did on Detroit wouldn't be there in Dallas. Just like a lot of Peyton's 35 yard in coverage bullets wouldn't exist.

But in both cases Peyton and Barry would contribute to more rings.

[Russell Bell]

We could play the guessing game and woulda coulda shoulda with Barry (we could argue who is more "skilled" all day and it wouldnt make a real difference) and any other RB and about the Cowboys and their superior O Line, but, the fact is in the most important statistical category for RBs, Emmitt is the best.  We should give praise and thanks.



In this day in age of overanalysis of every and any stat 29 hours a day on ESPN, I would think Emmitt's superiority in the stat categories would hold more water with folks. 

[OG Hack Wilson]

Jerry Rice is up there in ever yreocrd


-most yards in a season (1800 something)

-second most TDs in a year (22 in a 12 game year...randy moss has 23 in a 16 game year)

-most yards all time

-most TD all time

etc

There is no doubt he was great. But there have been a lot of great receivers that just happened to play with shit QB's or in systems that werent as receiver friendly as the Niners was.

rice had 1000 yard seasons with 4 diff QBs    granted his best years were with montana

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Cmon Hack, your a knowledgable sports fan. Where the hell is Jim Brown!?!

Walter Peyton, Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers are the only rb's that have ever been on the same level of Jim
Brown. Brown is definitely the goat rb, I don't really see how it can be debated.

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We could play the guessing game and woulda coulda shoulda with Barry (we could argue who is more "skilled" all day and it wouldnt make a real difference) and any other RB and about the Cowboys and their superior O Line, but, the fact is in the most important statistical category for RBs, Emmitt is the best.  We should give praise and thanks.



In this day in age of overanalysis of every and any stat 29 hours a day on ESPN, I would think Emmitt's superiority in the stat categories would hold more water with folks. 

I give him credit for the NUMBERS he put up. But looking at him purely as a running back, he was very unimpressive. He played in a system where all he had to do is hit he huge hole that was created by the o-line. He wasnt very elusive, not very quick...just strait ahead. He wasnt bad obviously. But clearly if you took him out of that offense and let him run for the lions all those years.....he would have been an average to below average back statistically. Where Barry would still excel for the Cowboys. Thats relevant cus the only arguing point there is for Emmitt is his stats.

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Jerry Rice is up there in ever yreocrd


-most yards in a season (1800 something)

-second most TDs in a year (22 in a 12 game year...randy moss has 23 in a 16 game year)

-most yards all time

-most TD all time

etc

There is no doubt he was great. But there have been a lot of great receivers that just happened to play with shit QB's or in systems that werent as receiver friendly as the Niners was.

rice had 1000 yard seasons with 4 diff QBs    granted his best years were with montana

lol cmon...youre arguing just to argue.

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[Russell Bell]

We could play the guessing game and woulda coulda shoulda with Barry (we could argue who is more "skilled" all day and it wouldnt make a real difference) and any other RB and about the Cowboys and their superior O Line, but, the fact is in the most important statistical category for RBs, Emmitt is the best.  We should give praise and thanks.



In this day in age of overanalysis of every and any stat 29 hours a day on ESPN, I would think Emmitt's superiority in the stat categories would hold more water with folks. 

I give him credit for the NUMBERS he put up. But looking at him purely as a running back, he was very unimpressive. He played in a system where all he had to do is hit he huge hole that was created by the o-line. He wasnt very elusive, not very quick...just strait ahead. He wasnt bad obviously. But clearly if you took him out of that offense and let him run for the lions all those years.....he would have been an average to below average back statistically. Where Barry would still excel for the Cowboys. Thats relevant cus the only arguing point there is for Emmitt is his stats.

It wasnt like the offensive line parted the red sea and emmitt waltzed on through to score easy yards and tds tho.  People forget his durability (which is a huge issue for RBs at the pro level) and his leg strength (which led to yards after being hit).  I mean, if you look at denver, how many rb's in a row had 1000 yards or damn close to it because of the oline and system?  But where are those guys now, or how long did they last?  Not anywhere close to Emmitt.  Barry had the flash, Emmitt had the quiet substance.  If you wanna argue Barry was the better back, cool, but I think Emmitt gets shortsighted because of his oline which is total BS.

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We could play the guessing game and woulda coulda shoulda with Barry (we could argue who is more "skilled" all day and it wouldnt make a real difference) and any other RB and about the Cowboys and their superior O Line, but, the fact is in the most important statistical category for RBs, Emmitt is the best.  We should give praise and thanks.



In this day in age of overanalysis of every and any stat 29 hours a day on ESPN, I would think Emmitt's superiority in the stat categories would hold more water with folks. 

I give him credit for the NUMBERS he put up. But looking at him purely as a running back, he was very unimpressive. He played in a system where all he had to do is hit he huge hole that was created by the o-line. He wasnt very elusive, not very quick...just strait ahead. He wasnt bad obviously. But clearly if you took him out of that offense and let him run for the lions all those years.....he would have been an average to below average back statistically. Where Barry would still excel for the Cowboys. Thats relevant cus the only arguing point there is for Emmitt is his stats.

It wasnt like the offensive line parted the red sea and emmitt waltzed on through to score easy yards and tds tho.  People forget his durability (which is a huge issue for RBs at the pro level) and his leg strength (which led to yards after being hit).  I mean, if you look at denver, how many rb's in a row had 1000 yards or damn close to it because of the oline and system?  But where are those guys now, or how long did they last?  Not anywhere close to Emmitt.  Barry had the flash, Emmitt had the quiet substance.  If you wanna argue Barry was the better back, cool, but I think Emmitt gets shortsighted because of his oline which is total BS.

Youre right about Denver, they were always able to run the ball. Only Terrell Davis was really all that great. A large part of their success was due to their illegal blocking schemes though lol. As for Emmitt again, I do see it as them parting the red sea for him. I mean, he was running what..and average of over 2 yards per carry before being touched by defenders. Like I said, Im not saying he wasnt good. But Im sure we could name MANY backs who could do what he did in that system. A quick back who was able to run with patience and hit the hole...would go CRAZY with that O-Line. Running backs like AP, Steven Jackson...even Frank Gore.....all would put up just as good, if not better numbers with that O-Line. I cant name ONE back who could have done what Barry did running behind that Lions O-Line...with no other threats whatsoever on offense (Barry didnt have an Aikman, or Irvin, or anyone that defenses had to plan for or stop...but him)...and a team that wasnt playing with the lead most of the time like the Cowboys were. Dont take it as a shot on Emmitt....take it as a compliment to that O-Line